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Norwich City fans back John Ruddy in goalkeeper debate

09:15 11 February 2016

Fans have voted for John Ruddy to return in goal for Norwich City.

Fans have voted for John Ruddy to return in goal for Norwich City.

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Norwich City fans want John Ruddy to be recalled to the starting line-up this weekend – but does Alex Neil?

Our survey asked the simple question: Who do you want in goal against West Ham? And 1,500 of you voted overwhelmingly in favour of the former England keeper making a return after a 11-game absence from Premier League duty.

Ruddy had been a virtual constant for the Canaries, but found himself on the bench after a dip in form.

Rudd was handed the gloves, but in recent games City have shipped goals at an alarming rate of knots, and a high-profile misjudgment a week ago at Aston Villa put the 25-year-old in the firing line.

Alex Neil hasn’t been one to shy away from a tinker now and again – although he might baulk at the term – but some changes are more exposed than others.

The role of goalkeeper has always been one that is, supposedly, more scrutinised than any other, given that a mistake is replayed time and time again. When a keeper makes a howler it ends up on a Christmas video – defenders need to plant home a spectacular own goal before they can begin to think of TV royalties.

A drop in form led to Neil dropping John Ruddy after the home draw with Arsenal on November 29 and replacing him with Declan Rudd.

“I just thought it was time to make a change and that is what I did,” said Neil at the time.

“If you perform well then you deserve to stay in the team. If you don’t then I need to make a decision.”

Is now the time for the manager to apply that to Rudd? His misjudgment against Aston Villa for their second goal on Saturday was avoidable. It led to a humiliating defeat, to City occupying a place in the relegation zone, and to questions being asked of the first team squad’s only genuine homegrown player.

Perhaps there is more than just that mistake to warrant a change.

The first question is, did the change of keeper actually help?

Rudd has kept two clean sheets in his 11 appearances since taking over, but has seen the ball go into the back of his net 23 times – 16 in the last five games. His defence is clearly culpable too, but a defence works better when it has complete faith in the number one.

Ruddy is a highly experienced goalkeeper, but when he was dropped, his replacement was a player who had previously started just six games in the Premier League. Would a defender have looked around and thought, “we’ve dropped Ruddy, and replaced him with a rookie?”. No disrespect intended, but when they needed a safe pair of match-day hands, they had a pair that was virtually unknown at this level, outside of Carrow Road.

Rudd’s recent tenure started well enough – a loss at Watford was followed by a draw against Everton, a win at Old Trafford, a defeat at Spurs and consecutive wins, over Villa and Southampton. Since then it has been a rough ride – the defence has been shot to bits at times and while that is perhaps their own fault, not Rudd’s, it may be they are missing a comfort blanket of sorts, someone who has been around the block, standing behind them, barking out instructions.

Which leads to another question: was a top goalkeeper on the manager’s wish-list in the January transfer window, or even last summer’s? Many other Premier League clubs have two, if not three, experienced goalkeepers. Not all are available to purchase, of course, so we can’t assume that a click of the fingers solves the problem. But the Premier League is an unforgiving place where mistakes and lack of form are laid bare. If you believe the presence of a solid spine is necessary, then the goalkeeping stocks have to be top-notch.

Joe Hart was dropped by Manchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini last season, but the England keeper responded and re-established himself as one of the country’s top keepers. It was a kick-up-the-backside decision that worked.

Has the trick worked with Ruddy? If he comes back, does he do so having shed any insecurities he might have had? Does he come back refreshed, happy and champing at the bit to keep City in the top flight?

Indeed, was the decision to that purpose, or did Neil just fancy Rudd more than he did Ruddy?

And then there is the knock-on effect: if he does revert to Ruddy, what of Rudd? How will he feel? Will he feel he is to blame, or will he feel that his defenders have let him down? Perhaps he will feel the manager’s constant changes in the back four have done him few favours.

Whatever the residual issues, Neil has a huge decision to make.

46 comments

  • a fine set of pins and a good set of buns between the goal posts is just what we need to lighten up our season.

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    Whiley's Mum

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • Oh come on Putney, I'm here to promote positivity all things NCFC and to try and change the MOG perceptions that are just 'knee jerk follow the sheep' opinions. And to wind people up of course 【ツ】I'm very rarely abusive. You get kicked off the boards for that. 【ツ】I'm on my 12th email account now but have reigned it in over the last few months. Archie will confirm that. Bru is just nasty IMO. Again, reap what you sow. I challenge opinion. And encourage debate. You're a half glass full chap Putney. 【ツ】I've got a green tick by your name in my forum register, from the regular 86 posters. Bru is in permanent marker . . . . in red . . . . and bold . . . . and underlined . . . . . twice【ツ】Enjoy tomorrow if you're going or watching. OTBC NMTD

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • Ole Tommy - the latest round of Bully Bile came in my direction because the Brewer Witch Trials found me guilty of taking your side. To be clear, I wasn't taking your side (and was merely pointing out what I considered to be an amusing irony in iMac's post). Indeed, I often skip over your posts as they are generally designed to be aggressive in tone, offensive in nature and obnoxious in their form. The difference is, there are plenty of people who take issue with you and your posts, so I don't feel the need to join in. You are regularly worse than Brewer, even at his worst.

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    PutneyCanary

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • Hi Putney, I've just found a cached version of old Bru's posting. You know you're within your rights to ask for a hard copy if there's any follow up required. Remember guys and gals, once it's up on the 'net, it's there forever. Archie removing it doesn't delete in from those that can find it. P.S. it was too close to the knuckle IMO. Reap what you sow ! OTBC

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • It would be ridiculous to put Ruddy back in goal, after all he was culpable for at least 12 goals conceded by Norwich this season and lets not forget Rudd was man of the match on several occasions and he is being made the scapegoat now by being left terribly exposed by what is an inept defence. If Neil listens to the 'Ruddy Back' supporters then he would have obviously lost the plot and relegation will become a certainty.

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    John L Norton

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • Ruddy was dropped following an alleged assault on a man in Norwich. If the circulating rumours are true, perhaps our CEO could enlighten us on the incident.

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    VictorM

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • Good for you Putney, stand up to the dumpy bully. As for correcting grammatikal and spellin' errors, well that says 1,000 words doesn't it? Tiny shoes, tiny socks and all that. I wonder what car he drives. Probably has had to give his licence up by now actually. Any hoo . . . . match day tomorrow, yippee ! ٩(^‿^)۶

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • CanWest - yet another fan that needs to be told that ⓢⓔⓑ statistically is our ᙖᙓᔕT defender. Maybe you see something that stands out a bit more obviously . . . a bit like not SO young Kenny.

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Friday, February 12, 2016

  • And Spanish - really don't follow your reasoning, especially if you read my post that inspired Bully's latest onslaught. Did you? I merely pointed out the irony (which to my mind was quite amusing) in iMac asking OTBC to do him the "courtesy" of spelling his moniker correctly, in the same post that he misspelled Ole Tommy's. The Brewer Witch Trial was held, and I was found guilty of siding with OTBC - God (or Brew) forbid. If you want to just take sides, that's your prerogative, but I don't see how you can call it stating "fact". You might have offered up "fair comment" - incidentally, that's pretty much the only defence to an accusation of defamation. You should ask your mate Brew about that, HE may be about to become intimately acquainted with defamation cases.

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    PutneyCanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • And I see my post was removed. But you said you wouldn't report it - I guess it must have been one of your schoolyard pals then...?

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    PutneyCanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Archant...where is the "Should Bassong be dropped??" poll. A lot more people have been calling for him to be dropped for a lot longer but presumably representing those people does not fit your agenda??

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    CanaryWest

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Brew - "she" was actually a typo. Although I note you've used it as an intentional slur on several occasions in the past (including at me). I can only assume therefore that you are sexist. And opinin - good spot, how very big and clever you are. Oh, and your money laundering slur is both ill informed and libellous. If I give you my full name, would you be willing to write that you think I launder money?

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    PutneyCanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • not a helpful poll if you are trying to back the canaries, except that most reporters these days are not reporting, rather they are trying to make the news...witness jose, van galle, etc. however, given they have run it and got that result it just goes to show how fickle fans are. a few weeks ago Ruddy had to be dropped, due to his form. Rudd seems to have only made one big mistake, having been woefully exposed in most of the games. he was in goal for the xmas run, which lets face it was remarkable, given what went before, and has gone afterwards. Ruddy may have benefitted from the rest, and from the lesson, but he still wont be giving anyone any confidence with his kicking, especially backpasses, or his punching, or his command of his box, or his one on ones.

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    toody

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • So I think we can all agree that the Gabby goal was rudd's fault. But how many of the other goals were his? And don't we have a much longer history of bad goals with Ruddy. Wasn't there a goal direct from the corner last year in the Championship? Man City this year? Just two examples. I'm not sure Ruddy does wonders for the confidence of the defense, as whenever one gets by him he jumps to point and scream. I haven't seen Rudd do that. With Bassong and Martin playing it probably doesn't matter who is in net. Throw in Brady not marking back on a goals and Mbokani not marking in the last one, I am surprised there aren't more goals.

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    Ronald Marrero

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Specific to Brew only . . . . . . . . ٩(^‿^)۶ Whatever happened to young Angus? Man City still? I stayed in and around Lymm for a while. Good golfers` territory ٩(^‿^)۶ Pretty smart eh?

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • So, to clear a few things up...Spanish - I don't know if you saw Bully's post? It was a direct reposte to me doing nothing more than point out the irony in iMac asking OTBC to at least have the courtesy of spelling iMacs moniker correctly - and in the same post misspelling Ole Tommy's moniker. Nothing more than that. Bully clearly took offence to that and labeled both OTBC and me as bullies and 'bankers'. As you say, several including you have done it before. So it's neither original or clever. No doubt next Bully will tell me to get a sense of humour as its only banter. There is some irony in Brew calling me a bully seeing as I've been saying he is for years (and generally only engage with him when I feel he's bullying someone else). And Brew - the 'she' was actually a typo. Although incidentally I've seen you refer to a number of posters as she over the last few years. Me included on a couple of occasions. In each case, no doubt with the intention to try to be offensive. One can only conclude you see that as offensive and are therefore sexist. And on the parallel universe thing: assuming in your world the reference to Lucre Laundering Land is a reference to Cayman, your comment is both ill informed and libelous. It's also not the first time you've used it. Seeing as you've not once used my correct moniker in full (and often resorting to negative or insulting derivatives), I should think you would be the last person to have cause to complain when someone adapts your moniker in line with the general point being made about you.

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    PutneyCanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Ha Ha Brew your post has been removed, just shows the IQ of the moderator to take a complaint on one persons say so, Prehaps the mod needs to read the context of the comment before deleting- So sad.

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    spanishcanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Is it indeed offensive when someone has in fact been a bit of "Merchant Banker" surely its just a factual comment rather than offensive. I have used it a few times on here, not because I disagree, or want to insult or offend another poster, just stating a fact, normally at someone who has in fact been offensive to others or players. I think Brew was a quite accurate in his own descriptive and original way.

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    spanishcanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Putney: yours are very good and reasonable arguments and no problem with them from me. The reason I keep calling Dec "young" I guess is that he has been with us for so long and waited very patiently for his chance, which I don't think he's abused so my heart wants him to do well for us. To be honest I think the problem lies with the four fellas in front of whichever GK we play anyway:-) Let's actually do something on Saturday, eh? It'll calm everybody down:-)

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    el dingo

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Links, you're right. For the touch screen affectionardos if you touch the coloured segments you get the numbers, 429 votes for Rudd, 1498 for Ruddy. Still a load of squit.

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    cutty

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Oh and sorry Putney, I see the article has not unified us. My mistake

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Putney, by accident I discovered if you hover the mouse arrow over the yellow\green segments it gives you the exact numbers of votes (on my pc anyway). As for the article it has at least unified us all in abhorring its tastelessness. And Tommy Custard that song is Boyzone, you sad thing.

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • el dingo - your question presupposes that anyone at the club reads any of this drivel. But let's assume they do - if the result is that we get a better keeper between the sticks for our next game, that must be productive. If that isn't the result, I'm still not sure it's counter-productive. You refer to Rudd as young. I think he's 25 now. In the modern game, by that age, most keepers have either made it or they haven't. A keeper needs inherent confidence. Some players thrive on criticism and 'make a point'. Who knows if Rudd is one of those. A few years back when Hart was a similar age to Rudd (but playing regularly - including for England), there was a huge media storm against him, leading to him being dropped by Citteh for about 10 games. He came back much better. Maybe Ruddy will come back in better form after his rest? I also find it interesting how this poll gets angst for being potentially counter-productive (essentially non-supportive) yet at the same time, another column gets angst (largely from the same people) for suggesting we may be better off as a whole if the supporters were less vitriolic in their opinions following the AV result. Surely we can't have it both ways?

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    PutneyCanary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Putney: I never normally get involved with Archant polls myself but I would ask you one question: do you really feel targeting one young goalkeeper is particularly productive? I don't and that's why I have made my comments. The poll in itself is innocent I accept until intuition kicks in and one realises how damaging it might be to young Dec's confidence - which surely must have been realised by the poll's authors. I hope JR and DR get on as well as they seem to at matchday kick-ins 'cos GK is a one-off position and while Archant has every right to poll what it likes this particular one can hardly help their relationship unless they have a ruddy good laugh about it, of course.

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    el dingo

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • And articles like this are just further dividing the canary nation and eroding any cohesion, so well done Lakey. I hope you're proud of yourself as these 'articles' can only help relegate us when we're all at odds over which keeper, defender, striker etc should be playing.

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    JimBob

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Wow, then these so called voters have short memories. We have had one good season from Ruddy, the rest have been ok to poor. Rudd makes a mistake and all of a sudden he should be replaced. We should have not been so weak and sold Ruddy a long time ago for a good keeper and this debate wouldn't be occurring. Personally I think we should spend some money on loaning an experienced keeper who is not playing and is desperate to go to the Euros.

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    JimBob

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • @Canaryinslovenia; Lakey could be guest furriner at The Briston Alan Whickerman Burning and Witch Dunking Festival. Midsummer's Day. Tickets from the butcher, the undertaker or the WI. The ultimate Prize is to be incinerated first, then dunked just to make sure. MC duties are taken by D'Vott. Brave that. Could be his turn...

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • I personally would stick with Declan Rudd but both keepers have had a rough deal standing behind some of the worst defenders in the Premiership. Declan has had very little exposure to Premiership players and deserves the time to get more experience, the goals he has let in with the exception of a couple have all been down to poor defenders.

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    goldie

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Neither Ruddy nor Rudd have shown the kind of quality needed but I doubt anyone would be comfortable and confident given the porous, fragile, defence in front of them.

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    malaga flier

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • I can just imagine AN with his arm round young Declan tomorrow having a "wee chat". "We're dropping you because of an Archant poll son. 1,500 people don't want you in goal tomorrow. But cheer up mate cos Chris Lakey wonders how you're feeling."

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    el dingo

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Thanks Brewer, how about a witch hunt of Lakey out of Norfolk, anyone knows where he lives?

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    Canaryinslovenia

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Barton & Buxton are right; a shameful space-filler. But a mean, mischievous, prurient little space-filler. The space that needs to be filled is the collective one between the journos' ears. The poll had a high turn-out? 1,500. Oh really. Shame on you, Lakey. That was as shallow as a puddle in a drought. I wish canaryinslovenia would say what he means ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Bouncebackability an Iain Dowism. I believe we will win on Saturday - need to pull WBA into the relegation mix as they look worse than us.

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    OTFBC

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Completely unhelpful article by Archant as usual. Asked for poll. On Neil out and then pick on one player. Really the journalists at Archant are the lowest forms of life

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    Canaryinslovenia

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • What we need is a settled back four to give the new players a chance to bed in. AN always said you buy players in to improve, not for the sake of it, so we must assume he views his new defenders as improvements. So, whether Rudd or Ruddy, he has to stick with them to get used to playing with whoever he makes his settled back four. We don't need to rotate the squad, we don't play enough games given we aren't playing in cups. But Bassong does need a rest. So, Pinto, Bennett, Klose and Olssen? Tettey ahead. Then if we have a big centre forward to lob balls to then we need two wingers; if we are looking at fast interchanging midfield supporting the attack, then we need our speedy midfield players in.

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    Surrey Canary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Anyone notice the picture shows JR at West Ham? Not his finest hour. I think we should keep faith with Dec, even if only for his superior distribution, but that's just my opinion and the keeper issue is hardly the most pressing just now. No, I didn't vote either. Nor did Dean Kiely or Alex Neil, I would imagine.

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    el dingo

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Chris Lakey........you should be ashamed!! Disgraceful!!!!!

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    Terry Buxton

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • I'm sure some on here change their opinions depending on which side of the bed they've got out of, or which way the wind blows. Why should Declan be treated differently to any other player in our squad..most of them have come in for plenty of criticism just of late..are they any less human? For what it's worth, if I had voted (which I didn't) I would have voted in favor of a Ruddy return. I think I first voiced this a couple of weeks ago (perhaps Tommy could check for me?) I took this view as much for DR's sake as anything - although, unlike some, I've always felt Ruddy has a very strong presence and is a better shot stopper. Others here (better informed than me) feel that Ruddy is unfit and overweight..if that's the case, then he shouldn't be on the bench, let alone the pitch..but then again, some posters may simply be over critical and personal when commenting on our squad...surely not???

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    Irish canary

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Players are human and articles like this, though clearly just space fillers by journalists with lines to fill, can only help those who want tom undermine club morale. How often this season have we played the same line up twice in a row? Neither goalkeeper has been helped by the lack of a settled team or by players being played out of their best position.

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    Barton

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Why has Archant started this witch-hunt against Declan Rudd? Is he suddenly to blame for all our woes? Does this journo have some personal agenda he is using his job to forward?

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    CanaryWest

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Cannot believe that this survey is in any way representative of Norwich fans feelings. It may be an indication of how fans who read the Rag online feel. Completely unhelpful article. IMHO.

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    norfolkngood

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Lewis, NCFC fans are interfering and some would say, stupid . . . . not me. All fans are archangels that stand by their team ♬♪♫ no matter what they tell you ♬♪♫ no matter what they do ♬♪♫ no matter what they teach you ♬♪♫ what you believe is true ♬♪♫ Who sung that? Was it n.k.o.t.b. ?

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Cannot think that articles such as this are helpful in any way, it certainly will not give Rudd any confidence at all so will serve no purpose. It is one thing for the fans to criticise but the press should try to be more focused on reporting news. Only AN knows what frame of mind either keeper is in right now so let him make his selection based on that.

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    TrevorKeith

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Are these voting fans the same ones that filmed John Ruddy on his drunken angry night out? Are they the same fans that wanted him sold in the January transfer window? Stories and polls like this really undermine the manager and make Norwich fans look interfering and stupid...

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    Lewis Dellar-Witt

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • Was this voted by the same Norwich City fans that keep complaining about Alex Neil changing his starting eleven? The same fans that keep pointing out the fact Leicester's starting 11 has barely changed all season? Norwich fans need to get a grip! Alex Neil is trying to keep a team of championship players in the Premier League - give him a break.

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    Lewis Dellar-Witt

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

  • ٩(^‿^)۶ Whatever happened to young Angus? Man City still? I stayed in and around Lymm for a while. Good golfers` territory ٩(^‿^)۶

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    Ole Tommy Buster Custard

    Thursday, February 11, 2016

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