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Neil Adams admits Norwich City’s 4-0 Boro hammering marked a new low

22:50 04 November 2014

Daniel Ayala out-jumps Norwich City keeper John Ruddy in Boro

Daniel Ayala out-jumps Norwich City keeper John Ruddy in Boro's 4-0 Championship romp. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd

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Neil Adams admitted Norwich City’s 4-0 Championship hammering at Middlesbrough on Tuesday night marked the lowest point of his reign.

The Canaries were embarrassed at the Riverside as Adams’ squad crashed to their fourth league defeat of the season. Patrick Bamford and Grant Leadbitter’s brace put Boro in total command before Yanic Wildschut cashed in on John Ruddy’s late spill to cap a miserable outing for the City chief.

“We got what we deserved. No excuses. It wasn’t good enough, at all,” said Adams. “I was surprised after Friday and the Bolton win. We looked at the team and felt the same lads could cause them problems after watching Middlesbrough. I saw them at Rotherham and we felt we could do much more than we produced. We started okay, had quite a lot of the ball early on but the manner of the goals we conceded were not good enough. We didn’t look like we could get into the game.

“Without a doubt that is the worst I have seen and the worst I have felt since taking over. It is a heavy defeat and there are not many positives at all. One game doesn’t make you a bad team or bad players but we certainly nowhere near as fluent. We didn’t show the desire or the conviction we had the other night and of course as a manager that must be a concern. The players are honest lads, we have to play and perform better.”

Adams accepted Boro’s contentious penalty when Russell Martin was adjudged to have shoved George Friend prior to the interval had little impact on the final outcome.

“It wasn’t a penalty. I asked Russell after the game and he said it wasn’t,” conceded the City boss. “I don’t think it would have changed the game. Looking at the second half I don’t think it would have affected it. If we had made more a fist of it you could say we were harshly done by.

“We had good players in that side who didn’t play well. We made individual errors, our distribution was poor, just the basics really. That is what Middlesbrough did well. The football wasn’t exceptional but we didn’t do it at all. There is no doubt they were better than us.”

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115 comments

  • Nogginthenob - quit your flouncing would you man?

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Well observed Morgan TP. Actually Ayala is standing on a block of ice and Ruddy is slipping on the side as he tries to get up.

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    waclor

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Thank you Noggin for that excellent example of "Just a bit of wind that will pass".

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    waclor

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • We are just 4 points off the top and we have hardly won a game recently, things could be a lot worse. Adams was always going to have a bad patch, he is learning. Also 'Boro are a good side and will be definitely be in the frame come May... at the most we dropped 1 point here. What is really concerning is how we can turn our possession game into goals without giving the ball away or losing shape when we are dispossessed.

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    jops

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • After a 4-0 drubbing at Middlesborough a defeat at Notts Forest on Saturday looks a safe bet. There are things so wrong in this side that a bit of tinkering and a stiff talking to will not fix. It cannot be turned around in a couple of days. Neil Adams has had time enough to stamp his style and authority on this squad. They are not performing for him. So, something MUST change. Radically. NOW!

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    kenfoggo

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • You lot make me laugh..a few bad results and you want to sack the manager....That Tractor is getting well warmed up and is coming to get ya !! LOL

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    john naunton

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Years ago, miners used to take canaries down the pits as a warning of gas. "When the canaries stop singing, it is time to get out quick". (copy to Neil Adams).

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    The original Victor Meldrew

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Hmm . Lots of comments re Whittaker and Martin as one would expect as the momentum is building after a few posters started this line of thinking early in the season. Recently the posts had been about the lack of goals Grabben v Hooperv Lafferty etc. I suppose after a thrashing away from home against and in form side the defence would come in for it from the critics plus of course the manager, board and for perhaps for the first time of John Ruddy . Of course you could look at last nights performance as just one of those really really bad days or you could join up all the dots and make them all fit into the holocaust in the making. Guess it depends on your outlook on life and whether a storm is the end of the world coming or just a bit of wind that will pass. if some of you look at some previous results in the C'ship over the last few weeks you will see some contrary results that happen in this league- Birmingham lose 8-0 then a couple weeks later beat Watford 2-1. Forest started well stumbling like us, we lost to Wolves first game of the season - uproar on here after that game look where Wolves are now.-incidently Wolves drew 1-1 at home with Blackpool the week after we beat Blackpool 3-1. Funny old game football- doesn't always go how you want it to especially if you are one of lifes perfectionists. If we lose against Forest I suggest we don't forget to include the linesmen , ball boys, stewards etc in our critisism as well as the defense, forwards, manager ,Board and the referee. Looking forward to a good attacking game from City and hopefully a win.

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    NoggintheNog

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Adams had a great pre-season. He talked a good talk and managed to keep hold of several quality players. And brought in other players to plug the deficiencies in the team, eg centre back. Uncertainty was replaced by genuine optimism on these message boards as the season started well after a minor blip. Then, several matches in, the more experienced managers in this division figured Norwich out and Norwich started to draw and lose matches. Adams hasn’t countered this and he hasn’t rectified the problems with the team set up. If Lambert had this squad, where do you think we would be in the table at the moment? But it took Lambert several seasons of mediocrity in the lower leagues before he learnt his trade and Norwich was where his career took off. Adams may turn out to be a great manager but, sadly, it looks like if that happens it is going to take several seasons. I would give him two more games to see if he can change things. If he doesn’t, then get someone experienced to advise him. Or cut our losses and move on.

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    LondonCanary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Sense of deja vu. Untried manager. Deteriorating results. Board watching on while Carra burns. Btw Monkeys et al, it's Hughton who allegedly lacked passion. Houghton never managed the club, at least not in my time. Also btw, Hughton got Newcastle promoted from the Champ with some ease. Bet he was passionate about that.

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    Lincs Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • "It just needs time to gel". That's like Gordon Brown asking for another chance to fix the economy or a doctor telling somebody having a heart attack that it will be all right in the morning. I thought Neil was given the job on the understanding that he had an experienced team around him. Well he does not have that does he? Why was Uncle Joe Royle not replaced? Saving a bit of cash are we?

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    waclor

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I can't agree with you Foxmeister. The Champonship is a fickle league and every team in it has suffered from inconsistent form. However cream always rises to the top and we have the best squad in the league by a country mile. Adams is inexperienced but is passionate (unlike Houghton) and committed and, given time, will right the good ship City. OTBC

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Supporters genuinely offer their opinions on the team although Neil Adams has continually selected players out of position which proves a significant lack of self-belief in his signings. The board admitted that they were incorrect in not replacing CH at Christmas; hopefully they do not make the same judgment if results do not substantially improve. However, I believe we need an experience manager to give us every chance of returning to the Premier League this season.

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    Woodbridge Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Well keeping the faith is fine, however we kept the faith with Hughton look where that got us, I know Neil is passionate about Norwich, if you are prepared to stay in championship this season and gain experience fine, any fllurtation with relegatioation this season then we seriously need to re-think,at the moment our form is on a downward spiral and would see us back in league 1, leaking goals and not scoring any, we are wether you like it or not a pushover, heavy defeat against NF would be curtains for NA and he knows it.

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    thefox77

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • No divine right to promotion Victor but I reckon we will walk this league. There are still 30 games to go, we're 4 points off top and have the best squad in the league - it JUST NEEDS TIME TO GEL. Any talk of sacking Adams now is ludicrous and talk of replacing him with Pulis insane. OTBC #keep the faith

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Wake up and smell the roses Neil Russell. Martin will never be a centre half as long as he has a hole in his xxxx this team needs a good shake up we have no divine right to get promotion we have to earn it I don't think we are as good as we think we are, time to step up Neil !!!

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    Victor meldrew

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Stop the flouncing. We'll beat forest and all will be well with the world again. OTBC

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Just a quick question for Charles really: Does the 57 refer to your height in inches by any chance? waclor75.

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    waclor

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Daniel Ayala looks like he's standing on an invisible box and John Ruddy's climbing up to join him

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • It's the manner and naivety of last night's performance that concerns me. Realistically, last night's and Saturdays games wereare always going to be difficulthe and a return of 4pts from the 2 would have been excellent..so a win on Saturday would be an adequate weeks work. However, it looks to me like we've been found out..Teams know we knock the ball about a bit with out really threatening - and then simply hit us with pace as soon as they get the ball. Where's plans B, C etc that we were promised at the start of the season? I still believe we have a great squad (at this level) but we're not using it. Players are underperforming, but still make the starting 11. We need to freshen it up...Now!! I agree with many that this is where a Manager with experience would be an asset..but we don have one and I doubt that will change this side of Xmas...so Neil still has my sup port. ..and I hope he can prove those with doubts (me included) wrong

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    Irish canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Sharky, I agree with you in that trying a here centre back system may work for us. In fact I posted that comment on this site a week or so back saying it would keep Strachan happy with his man playing to the right with Turner in the middle and one of the left footed options making up the trio. For me, Olsson is not the player he was last season and I wonder if he is actually carrying an injury, ditto Ruddy. I see little point in trying to force the manager out so early in the season, he is a rookie so needs some time to find his feet. The mistake was perhaps made by appointing him after relegation but that was the decision of the board. As a season ticket holder, I will still be there giving my full support every home game. I did not expect a victory last night, would have hoped for at least a draw but the one thing that really annoys is a thrashing whereby we fail to compete.

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    TrevorKeith

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • 57 Charles, every time I see you on here it is after a loss demanding heads to roll. What do you do when we win, cry into your happy meal? Steady On has a very valid point about people deflecting their own bitterness towards the club

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    GossVolley

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Houghton would have defended at 0 1 to keep the score down. Happy to lose by a small margin. Give Adams the chance to get the balance right. Redmond and Howson had good half games against Bolton but neither impress me generally. Shame VOO got injured. A long way to go. Another 20 points for safety.

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    Pondlife

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • …..Steady On!.. Steady On!..For perhaps the very first time I find myself agreeing with you and your rebuke to C57!....There must be a reason why it's such a miserable day!....didn't think it would be down to Norwich City not turning up at Middlesbrough!....I have a feeling that something must have happened on the bus as the 'boys' were on route!....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Be fair on Adams, he is brand new to the job of football management. Norwich are an ideal club for a guy like him to cut his teeth on and then move on to better things. Just think, should he be a success and then move on to a club like Rotherham or Blackpool, fans can say with pride that he learn his job with us.

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    NB

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Apologies for some errors in previous message, I missed out 'attacker' meaning Lafferty and 'CM' instead of RM. I have just heard radio Norfolk sports news in which NA said there needs to be a full inquest into last nights fiasco does this mean also looking in the mirror?

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    Egyptian canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Be fair on Adams. He is new to the job of football management and Norwich are an ideal club for a guy like him to cut his teeth on, before moving on to better things. Just think, if he does make it and moves to say a club like Rotherham or Blackpool, fans can say with pride, he learnt his skills with us.

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    NB

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Charles, I would honestly ban people like you from attending Norwich games. Thought I'd just mention that. Bigoted idiot projecting your anger at life towards a football club. Seek help.

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    Steady On

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I agree with many of the postings on here. By any standards the team are underperforming. It is chastening to see teams with far less resources above us while we dither and make excuses. There is the basis of a decent team there but it requires the right players to be played in the right positions and disregarding some egos in the team. If this means bringing in someone from outside then so be it. I'm sure NA can be given a job somewhere in the bloated heirarchy at NCFC but we need someone in who knows what they are doing now. Do I trust the board to find the right man? No. For me anything but automatic promotion with this squad is abject failure.

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    suffolkcanary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I demand that this former radio pundit is escorted off the premises at Carrow Road, NOW, before he does more damage I further demand that the club makes public, the names of the individuals involved in appointing said radio pundit, in what is effect, the most important season in our club's history and that they are summarily dismissed. I'm sure one name will certainly appear on that list - and I require that this name refunds his 7 figure salary for basically confining us now to at least 10 seasons in The Championship or below. Gross incompetence and mishandling of the affairs of one of Norwich's jewels in the crown.

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    57charles

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I agree that Adams seems to need someone far more experienced than he , to guide and advise . The question is who ? As for RM and his position , he plays out of his skin at CB for Scotland but is out of his depth in the same position for us but the only thing I can take from that is that Strachan is a better motivator . We have a choice of defenders at the club and NA really should start using them to find the best combination , for what it's worth I think a back line of Bennett , Miguel and Hoiveld with Olsson and A N Other in the wing back roles . Yes I know we have injuries and the ideal candidate for the right sided place has now gone off to Brighton , but something has to be done before those above us move too far away .

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    mjc75

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I hope today Miguel,Cuellar and Hooiveld are in the process of removing NA's door from its hinges and demanding an explanation!!!Also ,anybody with any sense can see our build up play is SO slow any half decent side will relish playing us.How many really good performances have we seen this season? From the teams we've seen here this season l would say Bournemouth are in their rightful place, fast moving,quick passing and goalscorers all over pitch.Sorry,honeymoon well and truly over.Win saturday a must or the board must act!!

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    Manning's bandy legs

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Martin will do a job at right back if he has two good centre-halves to his left. Unfortunately I'm not sure we have two good centre-halves. The jury's out until we change it up and play Martin at right back or not at all. Why Adams thinks he's a centre half I don't know. He gave him No5 (from being No2) for that reason.

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    Colin

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Tk You know my system. Three at the back with wing backs. Play more long ball and support the front men more quickly. I said it before I was sorry Bennett was not given the chance of a wing back. Also as a fan of Ayala I think he proved how daft it was to let him go. Time for change.

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    sharky

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Straighten Ruddys legs out and he has only left the ground by about an inch. His legs must be tired, give him a rest.

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    goldie

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Martin at fault for 3 of the goals..No surprise. He is an awful defender. Doesn't get goal side, Easily beaten, marks empty space. Time for big changes. Warning signs been there too long

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    AC Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • As I said yesterday Ruddy and Martin making another poor performance. Ruddy at 6'5'' can't out jump with the benefit of his arm length as well an ex City player who was dumped by Hughton. No chance of our goal keeper getting man of the match then. Martin gives away another goal bringing his total to 6 unnecessary goals given away by him being played in the wrong position or even because he is played at all. I'm amazed that over 500 fans still travel to watch such dross. Players showing little self respect or respect for the fans in effortless playing while pocketing another large wedge for almost no effort.

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    goldie

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I think we can definitely say that the honeymoon period is over for Mr Adams.Top of the league at Portman Rd seems like a long time ago.Now it's more 'top of the league,you're having a laugh'...But then nobody is really running away with the division,and two wins in a row would have any team surging up the table.Very early days yet,but the last month has been unacceptable considering the opposition compared to the Premier league.If teams have somehow figured out the NCFC gameplan,then it's time to change things up a bit.

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    Nexus_6

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • One big problem is that City and many of their fans are deluded in thinking they have the strongest squad in the Championship. In terms of quantity maybe, but not quality. If anything it's too big with too many players who aren't good enough for a team with promotion ambitions. Lambert won promotion with a smaller squad but a much better quality eleven, well led on and off the field, much better coached and managed, and didn't keep chopping and changing the personnel and formation every time they had a below-par result. City are going to reap the benefit of another sentimental managerial appointment. It's not as bad as Grant and Gunn, but it's not going to bring about promotion, which is the stated aim of the board and manager.

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    Outside The Box

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Sharky, having played at centre back and at right back, as well as spending a number of years coaching then managing as well as once having a coaching badge, I like to think I have a little understanding of the game. When Whittaker first arrived, he indeed looked a better prospect than Martin but seems to have lost his way and gone off form, that happens to many players and it is today that is important. To be honest, I think we need to go out and find a better right back as well as play a better centre back partnership but right now I would move Martin back to right back but there are no guarantees in the world of football and that may also fail us. However, anybody that has watched our defence over recent games will not be happy with many of the easy goals that we have conceded. What is your solution.

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    TrevorKeith

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Howe from Bournemouth would be great, bet he would jump at the chance to manage Norwich, give him a call. !!!

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    Randy

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • And another thing . . . why is Ruddy wearing those hideous royal blue shorts? Doesn't he know that blue has no place in a Norwich City team? Good enough reason to drop him on disciplinary grounds apart from his current hideous form! Gnash, gnash!

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    jigs69

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Norfolk Farmer, I agree. Tony Pulis will guarantee promotion. At Palace he proved he can play some football too. Adams is a risk. If he gets us up then great, but this is the best time to do it, so you can't run the risk. If we stay down we lose more potential PL revenue, we have to sell more players on big wages worth decent fees and the overall standard of our team drops further. Then we are in the position Blackburn are now. Decent enough, but not certainties for promotion.

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    Colin

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Tony Pullis is the one for me. Adams has lost his way. We need somebody stronger with experience to get the best out of good players.

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    Norfolk Farmer

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Well by the length of the messages of this board I expect productivity in Norfolk today is about as enlightening as the teams performance last night! As a canary player listener from Madrid I am disgusted by such a lack lustre performance. I have nothing to add to to those before me as it was so clear cut that there is nothing to debate. On issue however is the travelling supporters. If, Sunderland,and lost 8-0 and gave their supporters their money back, then our club should give those supporters AT LEAST 50%. They deserve an apology!,

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    JB

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Annoying thing is that with another international break looming, if we lose to Forest we are left to stew on two defeats for two weeks before we play Brighton then Reading at home.

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    Colin

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Oh Dear TK youre like a long playing record Re Martin. Last year you said Whittaker was the better RB and had to admit you were wrong. Against Bolton you blamed the back four for the goal when it was Olson's fault. Plus the fact Martin saved the game for us at the end. Is it Martins fault for Ruddy being off form? Yes I would play him at right back myself. However are you and I better than Gordon Strachan at selections? Probably not.

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    sharky

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • there is still a long way to go but the rot has to be stopped now and not after xmas when the cream has started to settle at the top. after fulham at home after xmas last year CH had to go. why then did he stay on. i really think beyond some weird nostaglia NCFC have to be cutthroat with adams.

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Thrice ethered. Time to change my posting ID. Might try `Townboy` or `Walkys_ Tash. Or even my original one, Ged Steroo!

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    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Colin, I agree with that, well nearly! Garrido on the bench (or even in the starting XI sometimes). Whittaker back to Scotland. It is obvious that the SPL is roughly on a par with lower Champ\L1. We do need a quality RB. We don`t need favourites (remember Chrissie & Robert?). We do need to wonder why 3 (THREE) CBs were signed, while the only half-decent RB on the books plays out of position. Just as Chrissie had his futile fixations so, it seems, has Neil. If Strachan, or for that matter Cafu, have any say in this malselection, then it`s time to put an end to it. Middlesboro got free transit to our goal last night.

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    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Resisted posting last night because I was so angry. Waclor says it for me plus ALL the comments regarding the RB and CB fiasco. Surely McNally must be asking why he was asked to bring in THREE experienced CBs when none of them are played. My Forest friends around here are as disgusted as we are at the moment so that is a must win game, but knowing us we are likely to re-ignite their season. Yes, we may be only 4 points off the top but if I hear any more from Adams about keeping the faith or terrorising defences and eulogising over the Bolton result as if we'd won the league I will ditch INIT without hesitation, because at the moment he is making the same perilous mistakes week in week out. I applaud him for dropping Johnson but I hope his solution is not to bring him back in. To the Board, please don't do your usual trick of sitting on your hands. Where is the experienced help you were bringing in for an inexperienced manager who is now being exposed as naive and making us look foolish? I hope he uses being below Ipswich in the table as a motivating factor, because slipping any further behind them would be INTOLERABLE.

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    jigs69

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Getting the team firing again after this is going to be NA's biggest test yet, and us fans could do with holding our nerves too even though a lot of criticism is justified. Time to shuffle the pack, sort the obvious WhittakerMartin fiasco and get the ball moving quicker and sharper. Big set back but there's a long way to go yet.

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    GossVolley

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I was an advocate of appointing Adams while useless was still in charge and am thoroughly disappointed with where we are and how we are playing. It's not just a case of sorting out the defense as we don't seem to be flowing in any area at the moment. Some faults seem obvious and are being stated and restated on here week after week. I really don't get why they are nor being addressed. I am however sticking by NA but we need a big improvement and fast. Forest game is massive but also for them.

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    DJ_FRAMBOISE

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Changes must be made in the back 4,Martin is not a centre half,Whittaker is useless and Ruddy needs a kick up the rear!

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    dave123

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I guess our best back four is most likely R Martin, Turner, Miquel, Olsson, with Cuellar and Whittaker on the bench. Once Ryan Bennett is back though, I wouldn't mind seeing him partner Miquel or Turner.

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    Colin

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • The Bolton game could easily have been 2-2 as chances were not taken by City. This is now a serious run of losses and draws. Seems to be a fear of changing the team. Lafferty is a centre forward. Put him next to Jerome to cause havoc in the centre and, yes, we may have to lob in long balls to play to the strikers strengths. As for the defence, why buy players if you don't use them?

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    Surrey Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Why does a 6" plus play on the wing? Whittaker was useless he only made 1 decent challenge all game. For gods sake neil drop him and move CM back to where he should be and put Miquel at cb. The performance last night WILL NOT DO. What was just as galling for us that made the long trip only Nathan Redmond came over to the fans at the end of this shambles of a performance. This is NOT the Norwich way. We will not be taken for mugs all the time. I have supported NA thus far but, he needs to get this sorted and quick !!

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    Egyptian canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Having conceded so many soft goals with this back four, any half decent manager would not have started with them, especially after the goal conceded against Bolton, however Adams stuck with them. Again, after two poor first half goals, any half decent manager would have introduced one of his two left sided centre backs sitting on the bench even though it normally takes a while for them to bed in. At least it would have given them game time before the next match and once we went two down, the writing was on the wall. Sticking with this poor defence has made us a laughing stock.

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    TrevorKeith

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • oh neil.i bet you will do some handwringing for the rest of the week.you might have to drop one of your pets.

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    bluelight

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Whittaker was diabolical. How he managed to stay on the pitch for the duration is mind boggling. The rest of the team were not much better either. Shouldn't be losing to anyone in this league by that kind of margin. A PATHETIC, LIMP, EMBARRASSING PERFORMANCE.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • One other thought. If we go on like this we will mirror last season when after a reasonable start we simply fell apart and couldn't buy a win. Adams needs some guidance from a seasoned campaigner as he doesn't appear to either see or grasp the nettle regarding our obvious failings.

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    malaga flier

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • We sign Cuellar, Hooiveld and Miquel and then play Martin at centre half. Doesn't make sense to me. He's a right back. Our defence is weak. Of the four playing at the moment, only Olsson is good enough for a team who wants to be at the top of the Championship. It was very strange we did not strengthen in the Summer.. It was as much a priority as the strikers.

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    Colin

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • MIKELSA, left in 59, happy days in nissen huts! A bit before your time I guess

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    aucklandcanary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I totally agree with you JohnnyP, Adams must stop pandering to Strachan’s wishes. BBC Stats from last night show that NCFC had 55% of possession with 9 shots with just 1 on target. Middlesbrough had 15 shots with 6 on target, which shows that Ruddy only made two saves, not a good day at the office for him or the defence I am afraid. One thing is for sure, if you concede four goals in any game, you are very unlikely to get anything from it and we really need to be making changes at the back big time before facing Forrest on Saturday. Playing two centre halves would be a start. I was very unimpressed when Adams was given the job after relegation but thus far I have been prepared to give him a chance. Early impressions were good as we were getting results but few if any performances were outstanding despite some fans getting carried away. I stated after the Bolton game that we were lucky to survive with a victory and had they scored from their early attack down our right side of defence, then they may just have hung on for a victory. Martin cannot win a header when it counts, his reading of the game seems poor, he cannot play a decent pass forward, and yet he was given the No 5 and captaincy of the team. One thing is for sure, if we suffer another heavy defeat on Saturday, many fans will be calling for a change at the top, especially if Adams continues with his failing Scottish experiment.

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    TrevorKeith

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Has CH got a job yet? What is Adam's record since he's been in the job? Shooting balls to the goal but not on target, how clever is that? Sunday league stuff. Sorry, NA not up to the job. For his own career he should have started as a manager in the third or fourth tier and worked his way up. He will get fired at CR and blot his book. The NCFC Board should have the knowledge to know that to appoint a man just because he is bubbling with enthusiasm is not enough for the job. And so we all lose out!

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    Canterbury Tales

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • We are at a crossroads. The Forest game and then the two home matches must be the defining games of the season because Adams has to rectify the current and very obvious failings. That means he must be bold and look to change the central defence and draft in a better right back. Also he must change the way we play the game because we are simply making no headway with the tiki taki game, especially as we only play it at a slow walking pace. We need to get the ball into the box quickly, give our front men balls for them to run onto and make sure both wingers get to the byline and pull back decent crosses. I am not advocating switching to a long ball game altogether but quicken the pace and add variety. In o'Neill and Hobson we have two good midfield providers and support players for the front men. But overall our style of play is ineffective and too many players are in the wrong key positions. It is hard to believe Adams cannot see the problems which are obvious to one and all. If he cannot then he should spend a little time in the stands where he can get a better perspective on play. If he can then he has to bite the bullet and do what is necessary.

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    malaga flier

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • wow! a full board already. how quickly the vultures swoop. tis true. we have been found out as the imposters we knew we were. this was indeed our first real challenge against a top championship club and we failed...miserably. once again the early goal conceded, and that's where it starts. why do we never go out ready to play from the opening whistle. unfortunately, the team Adams picked was probably the best we could put out, bar the ridiculous ongoing saga with WhitakerMartin and the flock of centre backs sitting on our bench. last night at least must have put that one to bed for the rest of the season. Martin will be at fullback Saturday. At the moment we are who we are. Under prepared, under performing, sloppy, inconsistent in a league that demands consistency to get out of it, and worst of all last night...uncommitted. the faithful fan does not deserve that.

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    Erpingham Tractor

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Right on Paul Smith. Put you on the Board to replace Stephen Frey (never understood what he has to contribute). I watched the Bolton game and decided promotion was not on. Predicted no points this week. You need a Neil Warnock type bloke to get a team out of this division. Why sign two centre backs and then play Martin in that position?

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    Canterbury Tales

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • @Auckland Canary

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    MikelSA

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • When were you at Wymcol? I was there '74 to '81.

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    MikelSA

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Sob, wail, Ip'wich are above us, a sacrifice must be made else we are doomed!

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    cutty

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • auckland - Neil ain't listening... he's gibbering in a corner somewhere... :,,(

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I was not filled confidence at the beginning of the season with the appointment, but I was willing to give Neil a chance, the results were good , performances dodgey, it was only a matter of time before came undone and teams worked us out, team selections are predictable, we win he plays the same next week , not the best team suited to the opponents, we have a big squad and good players most managers in championship would love, in a brilliant financial position, why did they appiont an untried manager when the club wanted an quick return to prem ? I dont like the state of football at the moment , to much money in prem and rest desperate to catch up and being took over by dodgey buiseness, I am afriad if you need a quick return city may need to employ a manager who knows how to get out of that league and take a West Ham approach , ( enter Mr Pullis ) its either that or spend another decade in the wilderness .

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    thefox77

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Neil, check out the Albert Einstein quote. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result" Wymondham College larnt me a bit!

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    aucklandcanary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • not even Michael Bailey's cheery James Richardson-esque delivery can wake me from such autumn doldrums

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I was thinking the exact thing Morgan TP - I'm sure there'll be a gathering of sorts at the next home game regardless of the Forest result ......... short time those Champ managers get, 2 seasons max ......... would NA depart the club for good a la Gunny should the board wield their axe?

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    nevermindthedanger

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • wise words from the fashion-conscious Paul Smith. i wonder when the protest groups will starting camping outside Carrow?

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • To be honest I have been waiting for this for a few weeks and this is not negativity!! We have been getting out of jail several times and other times just not performing. Whittaker & Martin may be OK for Scotland in those positions, but the Championship is far more competitive over 90 mins, what about Miguel & Cuellar?? If Joe Royle was like the oracle @ Delphi surely Tony Pulis could be looked at for this role ( if interested and before he is snapped up elsewhere! ). Problems continue he would be there to step in. We have the players but it is best use of them and motivation. Trying to be constructive and not destructive. OTBC

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    johnnyp

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Wise words from Paul Smith.

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    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Come on you IZALs! Let`s wipe some *?$€! ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I was just casting an eye over last seasons results. Until I think the end of February I think it was very difficult to say that CH should of gone based on results alone (e.g. November: 2013 lose 7-0 to Man City away, win 3-1 against West Ham at home, lose to Newcastle Away, then Win against Crystal Palace at home) . Although obviously performances told us otherwise. I wonder if the board ultimately were looking at the results and not the performances? From a business perspective that does make sense, you try not to micro manage your managers but let them get on with it as long as they produce the results that you are looking for. All this leads me up to our current conundrum with NA. If we look at this season we seem to have this bobbling along in ways that draw parallels to last season. Nothing is going drastically wrong but it's not exactly going the way we want it to either. Personally I would say that if we don't beat a Forest team in very poor form then Neil Adams should go. However I have a funny feeling that we might win, Neil keeps his job and then we don't get promoted. Looking at successful managerial appointments at other clubs and our own (the lonely Lambert in recent years) it appears that many of the best ones come when the club takes positive action to find a better manager. A good example of this would a Pochettino in to replace Nigel Adkins. I was shocked at the time and thought it was disgraceful but look how well it worked out for them. I know this sounds obvious but I think the mistake that Norwich and other clubs have made is to only replace a manager when they are failing. I think you have to replace them before they are failing. In short, Neil has done a good job so far but it is obvious that he is not the man to drive us forward. This doesn't mean fire him straight away but plan for the future and start looking for the right man for the job now.

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    Paul Smith

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • .....This is where we are!...7th in the table...not too bad at this moment in time!....The future is not looking good however, after the poor performances and ' no shows' of recent weeks....where is problem?...What is the answer?....Coming to the realisation that we are only a mid table outfit might be a good place to start!...We have NO stars in our side....just overpaid players with massive egos, fed by, I am sorry to say , a manager who is not ruthless enough!....Last night's turnout bore the hallmarks of 'couldn't care less', in the knowledge that they will still be chosen to the next match!....Redmond produces next to nothing and needs to be given time off on half pay!...Another over rated and under performing ' star is Howson, and Ruddy is now so slow and unreliable, that he is becoming an embarrassment!...So Neil ,it's time to give those eager ones waiting in the wings the opportunities and give many of the others a Wake Up Call!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Predictably the whinging wolves bay for blood! If Adams was at fault last night, it was because he was tactically naive. He certainly surprised me by going out with a 442 formation, when a more cautious formation would have seemed sensible. He gambled on attack and was quickly cruelly exposed by yet more playground level defending. Chris Hughtons response would have been to shut up shop and protect his goal difference. Adams went for broke and went even more attacking by replacing Tettey with a 3rd striker. Brave, foolhardy? Well yes, but we wanted an attacking manager, and we have one! Have the wheels come off? They certainly look wobbly, but I'd still prefer a manager who has the courage to go for an unlikely recovery and win, over one who would just give in and protect a defeat! Things need to change at the back. That's a given. We need Ryan Bennett back to stiffen the back 4. Adams gambled and lost last night. As simple as that.

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    Algarve Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • The bottom has no limit in football and our Board are taking us there

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    Canaryinslovenia

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • His biggest mistake was ringing Joe Royle when he applied to be manager . He should have given Brian Gunn a call instead .

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    dragonfly

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I wrote yesterday that this game mustn't be a repeat of Shrewsbury. A long trip for nothing and sadly it was. How can a team flying high can turn in such continuous poor performances and look fans in the eye. This game really has marked a new low in our long history and something must be done now by the board. They can't have enjoyed watching that rubbish last night with Forest to come. They, too, are struggling and if we can't beat them it must be curtains for NA. He was good with the kids but out of his depth with the big boys. Who to get in? Mr Pullis maybe? Mr Moyes would be my choice.

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    Bogaz John

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Why persist with Russell Martin as a centre back when two centre backs were taken on at the start of the season, & they are not getting a look in, come on Neil sort it out !!

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    Paul Mark

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • anyone else think Ayala is a better centre half than our first two choices.Mr'fate worse than death 'McNally has overseen a lot of departures for little return.

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • groundhog day. After shrewsbury beat us all Championship players must have thought 'if shrewsbury can beat them so can we' Dont know whether to call it the Luton syndrome or the shrewsbury syndrome.

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • No doubt the Board will sleepwalk to another season of mediocrity . Some action needs to be taken. The form since the middle of September has been unacceptable.

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    kenfoggo

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • By Saturday it will be telling if we should keep neil as manager. If we lose badly and he stays then our season ends there. Enter the play offs and we won't go up. I can see the board making no changes and it doesn't matter to them so long as they make a profit from the poor fans paying to watch such tripe. I don't understand where the ill psychological comes from - players heads down will be looking at the pitch and not the ball come Forest.

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • You feel that when teams like Arsenal get hammered by Chelsea it must be pretty gutting for their fans. But the thing is Arsenal, even if they get cut open like that, they're still likely to finish in the top 4. When we get hammered like we did there's no real silver lining because we're playing for promotion. If we scrape play offs we won't go up. Nottingham forest will be a telling game. If we lose badly Neil has to be reconsidered. It's unlikely the board will do so and our season ends there unfortunately. Heads will be hanging low for Saturday and for some reason Norwich City generates such ill confidence all the time.

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Simply unacceptable performances which started in September. Even Friday's win was against a very poor side. It is not good enough to have possession, win corners, and create chances if they are not converted. And the shambolic defending last night was embarrassing. I hate to say it, but I don't think NA is the man for the job. Time to look for a replacement.

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    MikelSA

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Only positive is that other results were generally ok meaning still only 4 points off despite this awful no show. This season still has a long way to run although a lot has to change to turn this around.

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    DJ_FRAMBOISE

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Another defeat looming on Saturday if they don't pull there fingers out, then we really should start to worry. Ruddy needs dropping

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    Derek McDonald

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Dubai, are you saying we have the right players but the wrong manager? Hope not. Been there, know how it ends.

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    Lincs Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • INITs, IAWTs, last night your boys took one hell of a beating. Now it's down to the IZALs to wipe up the mess.

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    Lincs Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Dear oh dear, this is a setback. Come on Neil sort this out quickly, this is no time to go off the boil. We have the squad and the players but team selection needs some tweaking here !!

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    Dubai Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I am sure I heard Neil Adams say in a radio interview I went to see Middlesbrough beat Rotherham and I have seen their Weakness's and besides I want the Travelling support something to go home happy about !!! He honestly thought he would win this match !!!! Promoted clubs Leicester and Burnley lost just 4 and 5 matches all season, !!!!

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    Colby Army!

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Wactor sums it up succinctly and perfectly. And to add to that, why do underperforming players get picked week after week?

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    Mel Lacey

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Some straight talking required here. Last night's performance was NOT acceptable. We require 100 per cent from every player in every fixture, this is not happening. It is a symptom of lack of focus and application which starts at Board level and continues down through the Management team to the players. Just as in the Hughton era, mistakes of player selection and tactics abound and just as in the Hughton era no action will be taken by the Board until it is too late. I suspect that Norwich's season ended last night with regards to promotion. Any team with promotion ambitions cannot present that performance and expect anything better that a lower half of the League finish.

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    kenfoggo

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Some straight talking required here. Last night's performance was NOT acceptable. We require 100 per cent from every player in every fixture, this is not happening. It is a symptom of lack of focus and application which starts at Board level and continues down through the Management team to the players. Just as in the Hughton era, mistakes of player selection and tactics abound and just as in the Hughton era no action will be taken by the Board until it is too late. I suspect that Norwich's season ended last night with regards to promotion. Any team with promotion ambitions cannot present that performance and expect anything better that a lower half of the League finish.

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    kenfoggo

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Wake up Norwich City - nobody fear's us: get real Neil, lets sort it out before it's too late.

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    TasmanianCanary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Twice this board has failed to hold on to PL status and after our first relegation to the Champ a series of poor managerial appointments landed us in Div One. Are we on the same course again? Hope not because next time we may not be lucky enough to find another Lambert.

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    Lincs Canary

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Blahblahblah

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • I'm so mad right now I could spit, WTF is the matter we need to clean house as far as board and management is concerned and half the players too. I'm sick to death with this S$& NOT HAPPY n Adams

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    Rottsrool

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Attacking manager jbone?? We haven't actually got a clue what our manager is as this is his first job. Why should it be three years??

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    Norfolk boy in Hackney

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Yawn. We expect and demand far better than this, sort it.

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    Norfolk boy in Hackney

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • Norwich fans are tools - keep Hughton in the job for two years with utter tripe and then we have an attacking manager and they all on his back after 3 months - we would be in the prem had Mr H gone and it will take us 3 years with any manager to get back in it - twits

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    Jbone

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014

  • This isn't one game, Neil. Apart from your two one "hammering" of Bolton, it has not been working for a while. Look at all the home points dropped, the loss to Charlton etc etc. This is relegation form so what are you going to do about it?

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    waclor

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

  • Warkys_Tash

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

  • Chris Hughton! Come back. All is forgiven. To be honest is Norwich continue like this we'll have lost all our decent players come January. Farcical

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

  • It's all just hot air again from Adams. He could be forgiven for making mistakes if he was seen to learn from them, but he doesn't. It has been obvious that the Martin Whittaker combination is not fit for purpose but nothing changes. Whatever style or system Adams thinks we are playing plainly doesn't work but nothing changes. The biggest problem now is that having taken a massive gamble by appointing him, there isn't an obvious experienced candidate available to replace him.

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    Bellboy

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

  • Disgraceful, one of the most expensive forward lines in the division muster only ONE shot on target, again DISGRACEFUL.

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    neil

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

  • We let our selves down tonight,there seemed NO get up and go,its now gone.Lets forget this one and start playing again as we know we can. OTBC

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    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

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