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Alex Neil struggles to explain Norwich City’s calamitous 5-4 Premier League defeat to Liverpool

16:01 23 January 2016

Adam Lallana races away after his 95th minute winner in Liverpool

Adam Lallana races away after his 95th minute winner in Liverpool's 5-4 Premier League win against Norwich City. Photo: Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd

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Alex Neil was almost left speechless by the manner of Norwich City’s second-half implosion in a 5-4 Premier League defeat to Liverpool.

Adam Lallana hooked home a 95th minute winner in a game City had led 3-1 early in the second period - and just moments after Seb Bassong looked to have salvaged a draw in a remarkable contest. Wes Hoolahan’s 54th minute penalty put the hosts in control but Jordan Henderson reduced the deficit a minute later before Roberto Firmino notched his second and James Milner pounced on a woeful back pass from Russell Martin to set up the dramatic finale.

Firmino had opened the scoring prior to the interval before Dieumerci Mbokani levelled and Steve Naismith rifled a superb debut goal.

“I don’t really know what to say to be honest. I am angry, extremely angry and so should the players be with themselves,” said Neil. “They should feel that and more when you throw a game away. Defensively we made extremely poor decisions and cost ourselves three points. The players were not being asked to do anything differently and we failed to make correct decisions at vital times in the game and it cost us goals. I think you look at it after 65 minutes of the game we get ourselves to a stage where we are 3-2 up and good value for it. I thought we were the better side and from that point onwards you could see we got into a mindset where we had to do something different.

“I think people’s lasting memory of this game now will be what happened in the last 25 minutes, which is a real shame when you consider how well we moved the ball, we looked threatening and we defended relatively comfortably. Then we transpired to be the makers of our own downfall. We looked edgy, nervous at the back, we didn’t keep the ball well enough and basically didn’t defend our box well enough.

“Even when we got it back to 4-4 I didn’t really celebrate because I still couldn’t believe what I was seeing and they go and get a fifth. The problem is when you are standing at the side you have had your main influence at the interval. You are stood there, 3-1 up, and the boys had done great. Then for no apparent reason we made poor decisions.”

Jurgen Klopp labelled his side’s win ‘unbelievable’ after Lallana’s goal sparked wild celebrations in front of the home dugout.

“Unbelievable game. We should always think it is possible, although it was not easy today. We had a lot of problems at the start. There was a bit of searching for confidence but then we played a bit of football and we saw what is possible,” he said. “Set plays, set plays, set plays, and the game changed, the opponent got a bit more confident. When I saw five minutes of overtime I couldn’t understand why.”I think we were the deserved winner in a spectacular game. I think it is a new record but we have to solve our problems because this will not always be possible.

“Of course, we were lucky, but we were not too lucky when they equalised in overtime. It is very emotional. We are in the middle of the chaos and react, sometimes we know what we are doing, sometimes we don’t. The game is enough of a story.”

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103 comments

  • Re defence pinto not able to judge Martin to sloww to be able to cover the lumbering bassong Bradynot a full back so does the one thing you are taught not to head ball back aacross your own goal Bennett young but better bet than other two Olsen a full back at least perhaps they ccould all learn from the DuncanfForbes school of defence put the man and ball in the stands and take booking can't score there17points min now required can't see where there coming from

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    Gary Rickman

    Monday, January 25, 2016

  • Re defence pinto not able to judge Martin to sloww to be able to cover the lumbering bassong Bradynot a full back so does the one thing you are taught not to head ball back aacross your own goal Bennett young but better bet than other two Olsen a full back at least perhaps they ccould all learn from the DuncanfForbes school of defence put the man and ball in the stands and take booking can't score there17points min now required can't see where there coming from

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    Gary Rickman

    Monday, January 25, 2016

  • GADZOOKS brew,watneys r and d circa 1959 ?you were the one to blame for my myself being taken short back and front on the dereham road, you have browned me orf

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    dis dressed

    Monday, January 25, 2016

  • Surrey Canary, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Klose can play both left and right sided centre back. irongloves, it was Wes' brilliant, perfectly weighted pass that led to Naismith's goal, hence he is still leading for assists. Granted he is 33, but he never was blessed with blistering pace, his brain and footwork are still fast though, and for me he still offers much every game! VOO should have started instead of Redmond, not Wes! ivan sadd, I agree Redmond doesn't rate starting on current form, but I totally disagree with your opinion of Ryan. Cardinal, we have a perfectly capable left back called Olsson. I believe AN plays Brady out-of-position to maximise attacking options with his usual 6 defenders. (That didn't apply today, though?) It's already confirmed that Tettey was ill, a rumour that Ryan is expecting to become a dad; but these do not explain picking Dorrans ahead of Mulumbu? And I can't agree with AN saying, "Dorrans had a good game", but then I guess you wouldn't expect him to rubbish any player, individually. In the absence of Tettey and O'Neil, nobody was breaking down Liverpool play and regaining possession, before they got through to our back 4.

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    Reg Breeze

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • No wonder we ended up in a different place

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    Gruff

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • I think you'll find it was "furthur" on the bus

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    Green man

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Didn't know you were a Ken Kesey fan, MB! A definite flight over the canaries' nest yesterday

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    Green man

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • You maybe aware Brewer, with Ken the destination was Further. I got on the bus.. The return journey took me a lot longer than the outward..

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    Gruff

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • We can only move on from this disaster. As I arrived at the stadium yesterday and heard the team news, I expected a heavy loss given that Tettey was missing and Martin had somehow been reinstated at centre back. On that basis the team done exceedingly well to almost grab a point. Just think what we could have done with a decent back four, say Olsson, Klose, Bennett & Pinto. For me, Alex is now on a knife edge, make that stupid selection again and many in the crowd will turn against him.

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    TrevorKeith

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • I've said before our CBs are nit good enough for defenders overlapping. Defenders should defend and wingers should wing it.

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    Surrey Canary

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • At the end of the day they lost to a big club, a club with a far better squad than Norwich have, yet they still managed to score four goals and if they had had a more experienced manger they would have won, someone with more experience would have simply shut the game down at three one, so its points lost for city but a bit more experience for the manager who should know what to do the next time he's three one up.

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    trev57

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • We need a left back as Brady is a far better player going forward than defending. I also agree with many about Russell Martin he never has been a Premier League defender and never will be and to keep him in as Captain has to be a serious miscalculation on ANs part.

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    Cardinal

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Neil has to take full responsibility and the finger must be pointed at him. This love in with Russ is beyond a joke. Neil insists on playing him and has done pretty much all season, even tho he has been terrible for 3 seasons, much like Ruddy. I don't blame Russ, he has disgracefully maintained the captaincy and simply played when asked. Its not his fault he isn't good enough. Much like Richard balls said after bomo, I hope he never plays for us again. Come on Neil, show us this famed mental strength and finally do what you should have done last year. Move the captaincy and never play Russ again. His mistakes and your persistence are way beyond a joke.

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    JimBob

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Sometimes a great notion, @dis dressed. We Merry Pranksters have to work twice as hard to get an opinion through. I was even ethered (3 times) trying to post a fond memory of the Bryceland\Lucas partnership of yesteryear. Luckily, the sage and erudite rikki nadir said it all for me. I actually got my Mad Brewer nickname while working in a Scottish Brewery! (Drybrough's of Craigmillar). Even though I was actually a chemist working for Watney's R&D dept, on a project at this subsidiary brewery. The monicker somehow followed me to Wilson's in Manchester & I revived it just a few years back to try out message-boarding! The nickname is 44 years old now! Perhaps I should change it to Irn Bruer? Ye ken.

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • brew,glad you found the key to break through archie,asking questions of neil will not illicit a reply,i think we are of no consequence to him,suggest a reversion to Mad Mc Brewer

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    dis dressed

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • There may be a "Managers' Mindset" now which makes some of them "Captainophobic". Clueless Chrissie felt threatened by a strong captain and The Mekon's ego can't accommodate one. Anyway, Russ always says the nicest things and in the best possible taste. The love affair 'twixt Russ 'n' Alex is indeed a Cupid Stunt..

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • SurreyCan; I tried to post something about captaincy on another board but... We do need a strong leader on the pitch. Not had one since Holty. Naismith could be the man - and he is Scottish... I once thought O'Neil might fit the role, but his sending off has prevented that for now anyway. Sadly, Alex seems determined to keep Martin as his Captain and as a "must pick". I would argue that Naismith is more Scottish than McMartin, Alex! Does that help? Change your phone number and stop talking to Wee Strachan, FFS. Was Bennett unavailable for some (genuine) reason? Rumours abound in the back-bars, as ever.

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • When we were 3-1 up should have brought on klose and shut up shop.

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    Jamie Knights

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Its hardly worth posting at the end of all this but I'm just going to have to. ALEX: You have to stop using Russ at centre back. NOW. Yes he's the captain but he cannot hack it and we ALL know it. You've just spent a bucket load on Klose. When you bring him in, Russ has to be DROPPED - not moved to other position. WE have plenty of other candidates for Captain. PLEASE.

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    SPEED

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • some managers just cant cut it in the prem,Bruce,Warnock,Redknapp etc,Lets hope Neil starts picking the right team to start with our he could end up as one of those managers!Lets start with left back,we have a decent one but he's on the bench so an attacking midfielder is played there instead.2....just spent £8million on a CB but he's also on the bench to accomadate our captain as his place is taken by another new signing.3.....Our best defensive midfielder calls in sick hours before the game so instead of selecting a like for like player a mate plays instead.4....A winger still gets picked although he never beats his opponent anymore or cross the ball and cant defend for love nor money.Four reasons imo Neil may not cut it in the prem,and im not just judging it all on yesterdays farce!

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    tonyb

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Interesting response from the Manager. Includes the word "throw". Got me to wondering if the F.A. look into any betting irregularity when an obviously curious result occurs ; like when a team scores 4 goals at home and STILL contrive to lose the game, with the help of some strange marking by the defence , a header into the six yard area by a defender when any other option was safe, and an odd gifted goal from a back pass.

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    kenfoggo

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Yes it hurt, yes it made me feel sick inside, but AN summed it up, "if you concede five, you don't deserve to win". I'm afraid Brady was at fault for two of the goals 1) defenders take their positioning from a designated CB, Bassong stepped up to play Firmino offside and Brady didin't, 2) for Liverpool's winner, he should have let the ball bounce off the top of his head and go out for a corner, not head it back into the 6yd area). If Olsson had of been playing as a designated LB he would have known. Not saying that Brady is no good, just he was out of position. It will make for an extremely interesting meeting when the team watch the re run and see how bad our defensive decision making was. I've never seen ball watching like it. Only good will come from this game. We have potential, yes, we have potential.

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    Lobbo

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • I'm one of the few that wants Big John back in goal, Klose and Bennet paired in the middle!

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    dave123

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Gary Guymer's points well made. Aside from the great drama on the pitch what we witnessed was a couple of players not doing simple things well and not listening to their manager Bring on Klose and recruit two more players and work work work to survive. Our manager dos not deserve this fraying of his nerves!

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    mardler

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • neil hooper scored again 6from 7 another good decision

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    dis dressed

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • I don't think ANYONE can explain what happened at Carrow Road yesterday...Albert Einstein couldn't have explained it!!! Me and my boss working offshore, (both staunch Norwich City season ticket holders) were left in stunned silence!!! As a neutral it was probably the BEST Premier League game ever witnessed...as a City fan...it was a woeful, defensive display...exposing just how frail we are at the back...if there was ever a time for Russell Martin to be dropped it's now as a matter of urgency...he simply isn't cut out for the Premier League and nor sadly is Seb Bassong...why Klose wasn't brought on once we went 3-1 up...we know what a threat on the break Liverpool are...we could have 'shored up' and gone on to win the game!!! Still cannot believe we scored four goals and didn't get anything out of that game!!!

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    YarcoYella

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • I don't think ANYONE can explain what happened at Carrow Road yesterday...Albert Einstein couldn't have explained it!!! Me and my boss working offshore, (both staunch Norwich City season ticket holders) were left in stunned silence!!! As a neutral it was probably the BEST Premier League game ever witnessed...as a City fan...it was a woeful, defensive display...exposing just how frail we are at the back...if there was ever a time for Russell Martin to be dropped it's now as a matter of urgency...he simply isn't cut out for the Premier League and nor sadly is Seb Bassong...why Klose wasn't brought on once we went 3-1 up...we know what a threat on the break Liverpool are...we could have 'shored up' and gone on to win the game!!! Still cannot believe we scored four goals and didn't get anything out of that game!!!

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    YarcoYella

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Yesterday had more than a whiff of the Newcastle debacle earlier in the season, when we shipped goals galore. In that game we played some good football, got on top, but then our defence was completely exposed. The difference yesterday was that we scored four goals but the same elements of poor defensive organisation , failures to mark or close down plus some dreadful mistakes, all had hallmarks of the problems which were exposed to ruthlessly at St James' Park. But that is not so surprising given we are continuing to use players who are clearly nowhere near PL standard and who failed to maintain any kind of defensive discipline. I do not exclude the midfield in this as they too often fell back into the old ways of not doing their jobs when we needed them to help out in defence. With Tottenham coming up, we need defensive discipline, players with pace, athleticism and better concentration. I am hoping Klose brings some of this. Ollson must be returned to his rightful fullback position as Brady is an excellent player but simply not a fullback. The positives were that we moved the ball well in patches and our second goal was a great example of that. Secondly Naismith is a class players and one who also looks to be every bit captain material because we don't have one in any meaningful way on the pitch.

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    malaga flier

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Noted that Naismith out and criticised his team mates for not being able to defend for the final 2 minutes. A potential new captain bringing a breath of fresh air? Cannot see a way back for Martin, can't see how the players can look up to him. The good news of course was that we effectively played 2 up front and that made a difference - 4 goals scored. The bad new we all know - thank goodness Suarez wasn't playing. I sensed from the radio Redmond started well, presumably feeling more confident with Pinto behind him, but that confidence must have diminished as the game went on. Whatever was Klose thinking from the subs bench I wonder?

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    Surrey Canary

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Could say what so many said have about dispair at seeing the line up and knowing that shipping goals was going to be the dominant feature of the Norwich game. However want to add the point that for the next game there is a need to bring back Ruddy. Yes he can flap, and is prone to mistakes but Rudd is not as good a shot stopper. When parking the bus he is the better option.

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    Indiabill

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Speechless, mad, angry. I'm sure we all felt the same sentiments by three this afternoon. I watched the match in The Old Red London, a glowing bastion of NCFC in the capital. For me, regardless of whatever traumas will be sent my way, Redmond had a great game. He tracked back, defended and his touches throughout were sublime. Once he came off, regardless of being 3-4 down, we lacked attacking venom. Bassong's goal was luck more than judgement. We played an out and out attacking midfield and the "hole" usually sustained by Tettey or O'Neil was completely exploited today hence the shipping of 5 goals, some poorly conceded. I'm my eyes, after the dust settled, we lacked that defensive body and in that sense An got things wrong. Giving Martin the CB role was a bad call as we all saw. However, an must now realise that Martin cannot perform at this level. Can we all see relief at sooner than later. An is, after all, human and prone to mistakes like the rest of us. Would you all rather him carry on with persistence with Martin later when we're knee deep in the sh!t or now where we have learnt a valuable lesson? Luckily for us our forwards are on fire. We have no problem scoring which 2 seasons ago condemned us to the fate of relegation - we shipped goals and failed to score goals. Let's consider our opponents, one of their players is worth nearly half our team. No excuse for throwing away a lead I confess however you cannot say we gave up. We tried and carried on to the last. Something last weekend we failed to do and seasons before failed to do. It's too easy to be negative, too easy to concede relegation thoughts because of today. F@@k it. We have astute signings in Klose, 'Smith and Pinto. With more in the works. We also have Lady Luck to thank for other results today too. Please may she smile on us tomorrow with the Swansea game. We got off lightly with a scratch and some lessons learned against one of the best teams in the Uk. We should be proud to have been able to almost pip them, and proud we out foxed them at several points in the game. Yes, we didn't win, but rather us go down swinging to the last with having given it a good go.

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    Go_Fleck_Urself

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • To Gary and the other poster who shares his view that the manager cannot be responsible for players' mistakes, I can say that I agree entirely except when the manager continues to pick a player who ALWAYS makes at least one stupid mistake every game and usually several. If we accept your view, then the NHS manager who gives a gas fitter a job as a brain surgeon is totally blameless when the patient inevitably dies.

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    waclor

    Sunday, January 24, 2016

  • Why the big campaign for Ryan Bennett? Sadly, no better than any of the others in central defence, where we are weak whatever the combination. At fault for goals against Manchester City and Bournemouth, and an own goal at Stoke that finished us off, and involved in numerous Premier League thrashings under Lambert and Hughton in previous seasons.

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    Outside The Box

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • and while I have a link in, just want to say -do not play a weakened side in cup competitions. Every time a City manager does it we go on a run from hell. Now look at the results after Alex made the changes for the cup game. AND thats after winning 3[THREE] of the previous 4 games. I think he said judge me after the league games, cos I'm not to fussed about the cup, so Alex judgement day is near. Naisy is a great signing.

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • #Gary Guymer. Its not reactive, went on a board at noon saturday , and stated that I was not confident about our central defence. Wish I had been wrong , but R Martin , and well enough..

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? If this had happened, if only AN had done this, if only xyz hadn't done that...yes, everyone has got opinions...look at 'the chase'IF YOU HAD GONE FOR THE HIGHER OFFER YOU HAD A CHANCE OF 345attempts at X number of pounds....if you knew the questions before...of course you would have gone for it... If only life and football were that simple, aye? ...ONTBC ...

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    Gary Guymer

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • AN needs to realise that sentiment has no place in football!!! I am sure he has watched the play backs of all games this season and surely must have counted the endless mistakes of MARTIN!!! I am sure he is a great guy and gives 100% but he is not a premier player!! If Bennett was available his omission was crazy. This window Norwich should have been spending big,but they are way short of their competitors!! If we are relegated Mr McNally will be responsible !!

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    AGT

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • eight hours on and still cant work out why Martin started. Only been looking on for fifty five years and in that time , maybe know when a player is not a CB

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Having digested the game over the past few hours I have to say that the positives were that we played some really good football at times and in Naismith we have just the kind of player we have been so badly missing: full of energy, winning balls, making intelligent passes and the goal was a great strike. That said, the rest was just dross - and I am referring to the defence or rather the total lack of one! I have always been a supporter of AN but I have to admit he got it badly wrong today with his team selection for all the reason stated below. To score four goals at home and lose may be great entertainment for the neutrals on MotD, but for Norwich City it was just abject defending, coupled with basic, schoolboy, mistakes....ones that we have been making week in, week out, all season long. So the blame must lie both with AN and the defence. Neither can escape blame nor should they. There is no point in us getting goals if we concede sloppy, silly, goals with embarrassing regularity.

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    malaga flier

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Dead simple this, we have three centre backs and yet we fielded only one (and arguably our worst one, assuming Klose is at least half decent) alongside a player who has proven that not only is he not a Premiership quality CB, he is not even a Championship quality CB. RM was not the only one to blame, but if we had started with Bassong\Bennett or Klose\Bennett things would most likely have turned out very differently. When I saw the team sheet I nearly put my foot through the nearest door, even when we were 3-1 up I caught myself dancing around the kitchen and then had to have a word with myself. I just knew we were going to lose. RM gives 100% every time, and at right back with a decent CB pairing that might just about be enough in the Prem, but a CB he ain't. Calls for the manager's head are a bit ridiculous but somebody does need to have a word. This transfer window we don't need a striker, we need a solid defensive midfielder and another CB at least as good as Bennett\Klose. Attacking talent is more than adequate provided they can actually get forward with some confidence in their defensive team mates.

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    I Am The Fly

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Ha ha. At least we can score a few. I hope AN reads these posts because absolutely everyone in Norfolk knows that RM is not Premier league quality.I know he's a fellow Sweaty sock (jock) but hang on a bit Alex. How many times has RM cost us points? For me it would be Pinto, Bennett, Klose, Olsson. Simples. Push Brady up. Sell Redmond. He's effing useless. should get about £10 million for him. On the plus side. We've got gouls in us.

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    canarytrev

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Why does Neil persist in playing a full back in the centre back position and a midfielder in the full back position, when Bennett and olssen are capable in their own positions. Maybe he should try ruddy as a striker.

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    Henry

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • A lot of expert football managers on here yet again, funny how none of you are employed by the club isn't it since you seem to know everything and AN clearly knows nothing.... Today was one of them games it happens get over it and bring on the next one, performance wise it wasn't the worst Alex can do nothing if defenders make stupid mistakes calling for his head is pure stupid anyone that does that needs to have a look at themselves, we will be fine and stay up keep the faith and believe in Alex instead of whinging and coming out of the woodwork when things go wrong...

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    Andy Evans

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • And we wonder why some players don't want to come to NCFC?

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    MichiganCanary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Thankfully we have added to the squad some decent recruits. Okay it was a disaster show and for the players it will be hard to get this result out of the system. At 4-4 it was surely a great point. Thankfully I believe there are 3 worst teams in the division - Sunderland, Villa and Swansea.

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    OTFBC

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Redmond played quite well at the start of the season,until he found out the bigger clubs have been sniffing round. Now his head is full of pound notes and European dreams

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    rossi66

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • And also Liverpool are not top side. They had no structure until Klopp brought on Lallana. At that point at 3-2 we should have taken off Redmond. Moved Brady and brought in Olsson. Lafferty is surely a better CB than RM. Here is the RULE AN: Most Managers use it: You played bad you get dropped: Today SB RM NR should all be dropped: and even Rudd. Personally I cannot see our next win. We have conceded 45 goals, thats 2 a game. You get relegated with that statistic.

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    Robin Sydney

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • nor does Redmond. I think we need to sell him

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    Robin Sydney

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Just watched the recording, and have to agree the blame for that loss is fair and square AN's. He had 4 available center backs and he picked the two worst. He continues to play Redmond who is just not interested in putting in a shift, let alone defending. He insists on playing others in positions that are not their best, when he has the correct people for the position available. All-in-all a bad day for the manager. Even Rudd was not great today. If our back 4 are not Pinto, Olsson, Klose and Bennet next week, then I am not sure what AN is thinking. Bassong is good for the bench, but he comes too close to giving away penalties. On a brighter note, there was some good football being played going forward, and I truly believe in Naismith we have a good future captain on the field. I also thought Mbokani had a good game, especially as he often had 3 defenders on him, and was fouled many times. Mason should have given cards for persistent fouling on him. A very disappointing day that AN needs to work hard to pick everybody up from.

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    MichiganCanary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Wow - Watched the game live in Sydney - We surely were terrible at the back. I thought Pinto tried and looked promising it was his first game but weaker defending. The Team Alex Neil you should play is this. Ruddy - He has a stronger character we need it. Olsson Pinto Klose Bennett. Brady O Neill when allowed Tettey and Jarvis. Mkobani and Naismith . Subs to be used Odija Laffterty Hoolahan Rudd and Mulumba. Are we satisfied . Do I get the job? Bassong and Martin Howson do not make my team.

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    Robin Sydney

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Yes sir you are right I am a "fair weather fan",but I think a round trip of 210 miles cannot be justified when invariably it always ends in disappointment.Put this way in Ferguson era Man U their fans expected the team to win every game.Being honest how many games this season do you expect the same I know many wil disagree with me I feel at the moment City are just not cut out for life in the Prem.

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    rossi66

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Soon as I saw RM listed as centre half I knew we would concede goals, it appears the only one who disagrees is AN ! FFS get rid

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    dave123

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Thank you Timberman, point taken, but you can have the best defence in the league BUT a manager cannot do anything about stupid mistakes made on the pitch....how many times in the past has RM made a good tackle, cleared off the line, scored for us etc and has been the hero ...don't get me wrong, he certainly cost us points today, but so did others with their wrong decisions. The old school says 'if in doubt, boot it out'! Why didn't that happen today, on several occasions, when players are caught in possession....especially when they havnt got the ability to get out of those situations... Find your man and pass before that happens...it's that bl..dy simple, surely...

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    Gary Guymer

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Gary, I totally agree with your comments re once the players step over the white line the manager coach cannot do much more. However, the point is that if he persists in picking players in positions that they are clearly not up to prem standard ( Martin at centre back) then the buck stops firmly at the managers door - and nowhere else. He cannot keep blaming the players if they are simply not up to the task. The manager has to recognise that or else relegation is a certainty.

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    Timberman

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Spot on robbo we are shipping goals at an alarming rate and i am afraid that neils stubbornness in playing martin and bassong come what may is unbelievable! Ruddy was dropped after a handful of iffy performances yet these 2 seem nailed on selections week after week. I am sorry to say this but he is way out of his depth for this league and never seems to be held responsible for poor team selections. The board acted far too late in replacing hughton and surely must act NOW to get nigel pearson on board and save us from rhe dreaded drop back into oblivion. Otbc

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    John Newson

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • whats the common factor here,johnson sold,hooper badly treated sold,bennett e sold,turner sold ,loaned out toffolo,the murphy twins , badly treated ryan bennett,just asking

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    dis dressed

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Yes we are all not happy , but can I ask for your thoughts for Tommy Bryceland on the sad passing of one of our great inside forwards.

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • the wee man "struggles ",,,with his egotism very difficult for him to admit a massive mistake and to be overcome by capt russ and his sycophantic fawning unctous oleaginous,personal representations as to his football abilities,just cant think of any other footballing reason that fits the neil selection process, this was an opposition without a striker,Martin had no one to mark,an opportunity to shine ,yet he still contrived to influence the match negatively,with this influence also affecting the defence as a whole,,,,,,my post on michael bailey BEFORE the match "OMG martin on the field,we will not keep a clean sheet",by the way who is the coach for the defence ...holt ?

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    dis dressed

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Am I missing something here with some of the comments? A managercoach can be as brilliant as possible but he cannot be blamed for stupid errors on the pitch, that he has no control over..be that giving the ball away to easily, giving a penalty away or making a stupid back pass, as happened today. Yes, lessons need to be learnt ( but will they?) as stupid mistakes are happening week in and week out, costing us valuable points. The answer? Who knows? What's to stop other players coming in and making stupid mistakes!! It's a cliche, but once players cross that white line, there's not a great deal the manager coach can do!!

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    Gary Guymer

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Week 1,Day 1; Today's lesson is concentration. After scoring a goal, extra concentration is required for at LEAST 5 minutes after the restart. End of lesson.

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    Greebo

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Jurgen klopp says his defence were" rubbish and a shambles" he should feel himself lucky he does not have Martin and Bassong in his backline!

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    repsol

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • The blame for defeat today lies totally at Alex Neil's door. There cannot be many fans who think that Martin is worthy of a place in our team at centre back. How long has that been so obvious.? Neil must see that Martin is simply not good enough for the premiership. By picking Martin in that position he is only setting the poor guy up to fail - and that is inexcusable. Don't berate Martin - he has been a stalwart for us in the lower divisions but even he must know he is not a premiership centre back. Come to that neither is Bassong. Alex is displaying very poor management in picking Martin and one can only hope he sees the error of his ways. Talking of poor management....we have three players in our squad who could not get a game at West Brom yet they feature regularly in our match day squad. Another poor management decision.......if they are not good enough for West Brom how can they possibly be good enough for our team? Our manager , today, showed his lack of experience and that is very worrying at this stage of the season. Do we remember " tinkerman"? The difference here is that Alex tinkers - far too often - but is still trying to work out exactly what his best starting eleven is. It is so obvious that he has his " favourites" - far too many to list here..........just seems at present he is out of his depth.

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    Timberman

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Alex Neil way out of his depth in the Premiership,it shows by his selections.We have now shipped eleven goals in the last three games.Get Nigel Pearson in a quality manager,could save the season.

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    Robbo

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Waclor, if you're going to the Spurs game, remind me to buy you a pint

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • When we signed Pinto, a friend of mine asked me how I felt. My response was that he seemed a great signing, and would be a better left back than Martin, but I was worried that his inclusion would weaken the team if it meant that Martin was pushed back to centre back. Despite this I hoped to be proven wrong and that Neil would not break up the central defensive partnership that beyond the last game (which was very much a team "effort") had been far better than what we've seen for some time. When I saw the team sheet my heart sank to be proven right. Between that and playing Brady at left back, I feel Alex Neil is totally responsible for todays result. What really worries me is that we often talk about learning from mistakes, yet we only seem to manage to do that for a game or two before making more mistakes or even making the same old mistakes again.

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    Chris Mugglestone

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Paul Mark, Ryan Bennet deserved to be dropped. He is not quick or mobile enough to have even been considered today. His distribution from the back is poor. The only proven half decent CB out of our current lot is Seb Bassong. Hopefully, (without getting on to a RVW type wave of enthusiasm) Klose and Bassong together will sort this out. I will wager you that will be the next CB pairing and Ryan Bennet will not get another look in.

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    ivan sadd

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • I'm not one to blame the manager. He is positive and I like that, but the fact is we crashed today because of a fundemental failure of judgement on his part. Ryan Bennett is without a doubt our best centre half, and is growing in stature, yet he is dropped in favour of Martin who has shown himself to be floundering at the Premiership level, yet he is selected to partner Bassong who is noturiously prone to being caught out of position. Martins schoolboy howler probably cost us the game, because after that our defence basically folded. However, let's not get Martin's howler out of proportion. All 4 of the back 4 made serious mistakes, and cost us todays game. too many personal errors, and I'm afraid I have to reluctantly include Alex Neil in that

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    Algarve Canary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • On the plus side I thought Mbokani and Naismith worked well together and both were Joint MOMs. Everyone on the Planet bar AN were against RM starting at CB and were proved right. RM was not the only one to blame. What I have read about Pinto from people who have seen him play abroad appeared right. He is good going forward but is weak defensively. Redmond no longer contributes enough to Start and should not have been picked. Wes is finding the pace a bit too much now (34 in May) and I feel Odidja would contribute more if played in a more central role. It will now be a test of AN's man management skills because the Teams morale will be rock bottom. I know mine is.

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    irongloves

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Some how in this game we ended up 3-1 up but with ten players. The managers inexperience showed today I'm afraid. Redmond on his day is a match winner but today a passenger and we got to 3-1 playing with ten men and a boy. He bottled challenges, didn't support Pinto, and had little effect on the score line at that stage. As we were celebrating the third, I'm thinking get him off! Shore it up. Get the Centre Half (Klose) on and get RM the hell out of the middle because at that stage he was Liverpool's most dangerous player! Alex Neil needs a long hard look at himself after this one. Team performance had some real promise however but 90+ minute game management was really, really naïve at best.

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    ivan sadd

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Alex Neil, what on earth are you thinking of. Dropping Ryan Bennett, the best centre back we have in the club, and putting Russell Martin in, who is just not good enough. Every supporter knows this, so why the hell can't you see it. He really cost us the game today. For weeks supporters kept saying Ruddy should be dropped to bring in Rudd, but how many weeks did it go on before it happened. The next game, has got to be the pairing of Klose & Bennett, if not they will be another 3 points lost again.

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    Paul Mark

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Hey Alex, here you go. Russel Martin and Seb Bassong on the pitch. Tettey not in squad, Bennett not in squad, Klosse on the bench. NO LEADER OUT THERE ON THE PITCH. I think that's fairly easy to explain. I think Alex Neil has done a great job for us and I like him but glad to see a less cocky and arrogant interview from him. He seems to have got a bit above his station in recent weeks.

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    Carts

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Buy a defender because your defence is the weakest part of the team and play them on the bench. That's the explanation. Still don't know if Klose is left or right centre back - no mention of this anywhere. But surely he has to be teamed up with Bennett and they have got to practice together.

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    Surrey Canary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Alex Neil quote "Then for no apparent reason we made poor decisions.” No little man YOU made the rubbish decisions again when you picked the team. Stop being so pompous, admit you have been wrong with Russell Martin and try and shift him this week. In ninety minutes this afternoon his value dropped more than the Shanghai stock exchange but we've had all the dividends we're going to get from him so get rid of him.

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    waclor

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • what is the headline " struggles to explain " well i can explain quite easily, russel martin cannot hack this league, neither can bassong, the back four should read pinto right back, bennett and klosse central defenders and either olson or toffolo at left back the rest of theteam is fine sort it please

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    Dave

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Have to agree re RM - his time in a city shirt should be over and even though AN likes Brady at LB, I think he is better for the team playing further forward.

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    Mr Ed

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Anyone else noticed Redmond's distinct lack of cojones? He seems to dip out of 5050 balls then give away stupid fouls trying to get the ball back. Martin aside Redmond was the most disappointing again.

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    PaulWho

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Martin was clearly to blame for THAT goal, needs a rest. Can't give him sole blame for the other goals. What on earth was Brady thinking for the 5th? Schoolboy footbal.

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    PaulWho

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Ok, my take (for what it's worth). Russel Martin has no place in a premiership team. Sorry Russ you have done us proud but let's move on. We have just gone toe to toe with what is supposed to be a top flight club and made them look really ordinary. Pinto looks good, Naismith had moments of class. Mbokami gets better every game. Klose at centre back with Benett and I think we will be fine. Keep the faith OTBC

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    Dave T

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • A lot of sentimental rubbish on here about Martin, he is no good in the Premiership and has cost the team several lost points this season.

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    goldie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Rossi=fair weather fan

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    lordbesty

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Gutted. Why is Redmond getting game time? On a positive note, surely this has to be the straw that broke Russ Martin’s back?

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    baguio

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Pity that the management doesn't look on this site sometimes and then they would see that the fans have been screaming about the poor defence for 3 years. Fancy dropping Bennett for Martin, I think the manager wants to watch a few games up in the stands he might see whats going on then because he obviously can't see whats happening from the side of the pitch. Martin has been rubbish as centre back all season. Like to know why he isn't dropped. Disaster waiting to happen.

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    goldie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • On a different note, it's beginning to look like 3 from 6 going down and villa will do very well to get out of trouble sooooo I believe that gives us a better than 50% chance of staying up. Feeling better folks?

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    lordbesty

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Brilliant going forward, dreadful at the back and thank you RM for all your great service but enough is enough. As for calls to sack the manager!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrr...I'm getting angry

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    lordbesty

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Sorry but am I missing the point, NCFC signed 2 players this week and played one of them, the other signing was Pinto and he was in the team, surely it takes at least one game to gel so why get despondent after just the first game with the new signings. Lets see what happens from now on, possibly RM is more of a Championship player but he has been a good servant for the club, but is it time for him to bow out?

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    kevin473

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Simple to explain, as most have already mentioned.. Martin & Bassong partnership is not good enough, especially (though not mentioned already) lack of proper defensive midfield general. Missing Tettey, and not playing Mulumbu. Odd decision. Naismith = quality. Pinto - struggled. Great entertainment, but at 3-1 up we should have won.

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    Soglio Star

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • We don't need to spend £50-60M on players to improve the defence ! It's playing the right players, BennettBassong with Klose, and Olsson at left back, Pinto at right back. It's not rocket science, and it would be money well spent and this club can easily afford it; to bring in another good centre back. I'm sure there would be a few conference clubs who could be interested in Martin.

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    Beachfarmpark

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Only No-hope Norwich could score 4 goals and still lose. Oh well at least I don't have to stay up late to watch match of the day,as I only watch when we win

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    rossi66

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • What could have been a great performance is shot in its own foot by Russ Martin's Madhouse in defence. Can we have Klose and Bennett from now on please and get Brady playing where he adds value.

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    Swiss Canary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • On the positive side, Mbokani and Naismith both excellent. Probably everyone on the Planet apart from AN would have preferred Bennett to RM at CB and would have been right. What I have read about Pinto from people who have watched him abroad looked to be correct. Good going forward but weak defensively. Redmond again contributed little and at present is not good enough to start. The pace is getting too much for Wes.34 in May, and Odidja playing in a more central role would contribute more. This is now a big test For AN's player management skills because team morale will now be rock bottom after that. I know mine is.

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    irongloves

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Had sometime to cool down. Saw A.N. interview and to be honest I feel for him. I know the thoughts on R.M. and again he let us down, but look at the defence as a whole and you see bad defending from everyone. Again on this post I have to bang on about the lack of a leader such as we have had in the past. Do not expect Klose to come in and make much difference unless he is that missing leader. Cannot see him coming into a new team and bossing his new teammates. AN. is having to play the same bunch of defenders each game and hope that eventually they will concentrate for 90 min. Never going to happen as they are not good enough at this level and I think the biggest problem is they know this. All the top teams have suffered defensively this season, but not every game. Sadly we do not have 50-60 million to immediately bring in better defenders, so we are going to have to endure more matches like today and pray we start scoring more than our opponents.

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    61canarie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • i absolutely agree, bennett should have been playing cannot understand russell martin he just cannot hack this league

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    Dave

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • why cannot they see this, its simple, pinto right back, Ryan Bennett and Klose central defenders, either olson or harry tofolo at left back, now that is a good back four am i wrong, or can anyone else see this, i know russell martin has given good service, but he just cant hack this league and bassong (although he scored a goal ) is simply not quick enough he brain cannot compute fast enough

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    Dave

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • I don't know about KLopp needing new glasses, AN clearly needs a pair because he can't see what is blindingly obvious to all Norwich supporters. If Olsson is good enough for Sweden he is good enough for Norwich, play Brady in front of him. Drop Martin and Bassong for Bennett and Klose At least one defensive midfielder not Dorrans please. You are running out of chances Alex

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    Canaryinslovenia

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Is Alex Neil the only person in Norfolk who thinks Russell Martin is a centre back? Who's the boss here, Alex or RM? This is a worrying situation, as he's obviously scared to drop him. It wouldn't surprise me if Pinto gets dropped next week and he's right back again! You've got to make this decision soon Alex cos it will cost us our premier league status if not. On a positive note , and I've said it all along Steven Naismith is absolute class, a mega signing. And having a talisman like him brings the best out of the attack , now all we need is to sort out the defence. Timm Klose will come in but we need another good centre back to go with Bennett & Bassong. Sorry Russell, you've been a good servant but it's time to hang your boots up lad.

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    Beachfarmpark

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • As expected ..comments already are negative. Let's look on the positive..AN has made quality signings and it shows. For those calling for the Managers Head?...really?...we wouldn't be in this league without him. We will be better once all our signings are bedded in..COYY..

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    Irish canary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Mr Neil , when you preferred Russ Martin to Ryan Bennett YOU set the conditions for this to happen . Oh and Robbie Brady is not a fullback .If I am wrong please tell me why?

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Yep naïve defending from Brady and I think it was him at fault for their first goal.Lets have a full back defending next time.what he should really say is....I picked the wrong team!

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    tonyb

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Look at yourself first Alex Neil your blind faith in RM is an absolute joke - just go before you drag us back down to the championship - sell the donkey now.

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    citizen

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • One Ryan Bennett there's only one Ryan Bennett one Ryan Bennett there's only one Ryan Bennett Why why o why our best central defender by far this season and is dropped because Benteke not playing not on he bench even though Benteke is sorry cannot work that one out perhaps that is why I am not a prem league manager but at this rate neither will Alex ! Have we forgotten allready how Ryan helped change the game at half time against Everton? As much as I like Russ sorry time is up on a positive note impressed by Naismith hold my hands up I thought he was overrated good but not great sorry Steve cannot remember a better debut in 50 odd years of supporting naridge

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    Bicester canary

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • “I don’t really know what to say to be honest". How about I made a mistake picking Martin.

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    Mylen1um

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Saw the game on tv and made comments, have now seen it again having replayed and rewound certain episodes from the match , AN struggles ,I don't the defence was dire , sunday pub sides defend better than that , Bassong was lucky not to give away a penalty and RM should never wear a city shirt again . Sorry to say AN has lost the plot he is out of his league , to keep changing the squad around is a disaster . We will be relegated , we were 5 favourite to go down this morning but i reckon we now be third. My only thought now is will D McN keep faith in AN or give him the chop. Its nice to be in this division but we have blown it . Somebody said hall of shame but who would you put in it , to many names for me

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    iMac

    Saturday, January 23, 2016

  • Easy to explain, professional footballers not doing the basics, school boy defending. Why did Brady not head that out of play for the last goal, you never put it back in the area, is basic common sense!

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    Saturday, January 23, 2016

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