Opinion: Why Norwich City fans must not fall into the David Fox trap - do you agree?

David Fox in action for Norwich City against Fulham on Saturday. Picture: Paul Chesterton / Focus Images David Fox in action for Norwich City against Fulham on Saturday. Picture: Paul Chesterton / Focus Images

Tuesday, January 7, 2014
1:53 PM

The successful return of David Fox to the Norwich City midfield against Fulham in the FA Cup on Saturday has opened up debate as to whether he should be welcomed back into city’s Premier League starting eleven. Here’s what a sports writer, Norwich City columnist and Canaries fan think about that possibility.

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CHRIS LAKEY - SPORTS EDITOR

Football fans have a curious gift of actually being able to improve a player who isn’t actually playing.

David Fox is the latest in a line of Norwich City players who are touted as the answer to all the team’s ills – even though he has been absent from the club for half a season and has never started a Premier League game under the current manager.

His star has shone in absentia in much the way that Cody McDonald’s did when he was on loan at Gillingham for a season and scored 25 goals. Last season it was James Vaughan – in fact, whenever Vaughan scored for Huddersfield he suddenly became City’s saviour. Chris Martin is banging them in for Derby – “let’s get him back, why not?”.

Fox is a fine footballer – Paul Lambert always said he had “an uncanny knack of passing to a team-mate every time” – but City won’t be transformed overnight if he is included in the team.

We don’t see what he does in training, we know nothing of what happens behind the scenes – therefore, we don’t really know if Chris Hughton is right or wrong in not playing him. Yet it seems everyone is craving for him to be placed in the centre of the City midfield at Everton this weekend.

Fox is no doubt desperate to prove himself, but on the evidence of one FA Cup game, would you really put him in ahead of Leroy Fer, Bradley Johnson, Johnny Howson (if fit)?

SIMON HALL - NCFC FAN

Although City’s league position is reasonable and our squad is strong many fans are increasingly vocal with their conviction that they know so much more about team selection, tactics and policies than either the manager or, incredibly, the chief executive and the board.

David Fox was a very good Championship player for City and remains not only the best passer of a ball at the club but also arguably the only player who can create something from nothing with a cross field or long through ball, given the time to do so.

But, as unmatched as his passing is, time is a luxury in the Premier League and Fox is not renowned for his tenacious tackling or his defensive work. He therefore falls short of the all-round requirements of a Premier League midfielder where, against decent opposition, he would not be guaranteed the time to pick his passes and would also not offer the necessary defensive support.

Fox is an example of a player who gets better in the memory the longer he doesn’t play and, as good as he was against a poor Fulham side in the FA Cup, don’t forget he didn’t exactly set the world alight against Luton Town last season or at Barnsley on loan this season.

DAVID POWLES - NCFC columnist for EDP and Norwich Evening News

There are parallels to be drawn between Chris Hughton’s treatment of Wes Hoolahan and that of David Fox.

For whatever reason they are not his type of players. I’m guessing it is because they do not provide the complete package. Players like Leroy Fer and Bradley Johnson can run and pass and tackle and head, but someone like Fox can pass, run (but not that fast) and isn’t a great tackler.

But what he does do, he does very well and it is to Norwich City’s detriment that Hughton can find no way of including both Fox and Hoolahan in the first eleven.

I’ve often referred to Fox as Norwich’s Paul Scholes, in his pomp I think he’s that good, but to be effective he needs someone around him who can do the ugly stuff.

Clearly there are those that argue that the Fulham performance created a false impression of his talents, in that he was afforded longer on the ball than he would be in the Premier League.

I disagree. Players like David Fox have a knack of making time stand still for them, creating space to weave their magic.

The saying goes that if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it. Norwich need fixing so what is there to lose?

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48 comments

  • Fox cannot tackle that well but neither could hoddle!I'd put him in when we play one up front along with johnson or tettey and fer or howson.what exactly is there to lose?Give him the everton game at least.

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    tonyb

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • I dont agree totally with the Wes, Fox & Howson are battling it out for 1 spot potentially. My reasoning being different sides require different approaches. Something in reality Hughton does not seem capable of doing. Ive said the point before, certain games do require a bit more steal, strong and robust approach. The use of less technically gifted but stronger players like Bradley Johnson can be highly effective if we get it tactically spot on. For all my moans at Hughton the best example of this I can find is last season at home to AFC. Santi Cazorla was in the form of his life, destroying sides almost on his own. Then he faced us and we kept him totally out of the game via 2 DMC players in Tettey & Johnson. These two are not the most technically gifted but they kept AFC totally at bay keeping Cazorla out the game and to top it all off we scored with virtually our only chance! That was an example of hughton getting it tactically spot on. However the next home game we played a Newcastle side full of injuries and down to the bare bones. Instead of going for it a little more we played the exact same line up and barely created a chance again and Newcastle (literally by comments of Alan Smith who was sub) couldn't believe they'd got away with a draw. The best of Hughton & Worst in just two games. The same applies now. There is no reason why in certain games you couldn't apply 2 of Wes, Fox, Howson together etc or even in some cases all 3 together. Were not the kind of side who can just sit back and say this is our best 11 and were gonna play that come rain or shine. We need to be more tactically aware and at times brave and identify others teams weak spots. For anyone that follows me on twitter (no shameless plugs) they will have noticed more often than not I can predict the entire starting 11 each game. If I can do it, how easy is it for the teams were playing who are professionals to spot it and prepare etc. Hughtons biggest problems is he seems to adopt a style and then plays that no matter what for months. Then suddenly changes and plays something different for months. Mix & Match depending who were playing. The trait of a truly great manager is someone who can do this. The ones who cant either struggle to achieve mid-table averagerelegation battles or get lucky with a very talented squad.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • We are playing Fulham again soon you know, lets see if he pulls out another performance, then ask the same question if he is good enough for the league.

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    Admiral F

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Nobody is saying "he is the answer". More hes an option and someone who can "help" the team. Im a massive Fox fan. Im biast I know but even im honest enough to admit should we ever have a fully fit squad or even a 75% fit squad he likely wouldnt start in my chosen xi. Doesn't mean im not in favour of him staying and being more involved. For anyone with a slight bit of know how of how football works beyond the "we are rubbish", "we cant score, its player x fault" pub talk its clear to see we lack a player that can link defence to midfield. Yes our back four can pass amoung themselves but as soon as pressure is applied we more often than not hoof it to this imaginary target man that we dont have. We then moan at the likes of RVW for not being able to a job there not capable of doing. It goes downhill from there because on the odd occassion we find a winger were far to easy to defend against because any decent side knows Snodgrass will always want to cut in and if he doesn't he will not have the pace to cause a threat or a right foot to effectively cross. Fox (or a player of more quality in the same style) is vital and often goes as an unsung hero. Collecting the ball from the back 4 and supplying the passes to get us ticking over and more importantly finding a pass that opens another side up by supplying it to a player who can cause damage. As much as I love Fox and applaud his every move, pass, tackle, if im honest with myself hes a good championship player and decent enough squad premier league player. If we are to progress he (like others in other positions that we may hold close to our hearts) will ultimately be replaced, or upgraded if thats a nicer way of putting it. The worrying thing is more often that not we play without a Fox type player. So the argument isn't so much will Fox change our fortunes, more the manager's current theory and style of play isn't going to work. If we get the team playing how there capable of it isn't to say were suddenly going to be challenging for Europe but its certainly a start as we aim to imrove and head in the right direction. Something long term we show no signs of doing under Hughton. Very few teams that play Hughtons style go on to achieve much success and those that do only reach the mid-table mediocrity that is the boards stated minimum requirement, so its asking an awful lot.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Why does a quality user and passer of the ball also have to be a great defensive tackler as well? One of the things we lack is a creative mifielder who can supply telling balls wide or up to the front men. That in itself has the potential to be a match-winner. If you don't score goals you don't win games. Hughton is preoccupied with defensive duties to the detriment of quality creativity in midfield. Which may actually carry a little weight were we in fact pretty watertight at the back!!! And Chris, please don't denigrate the fans saying in effect they know nothing. Many of us have watched football over a lifetime and I can assure you we do know enough about the game to be able to voice a reasonable and reasoned opinion. And I would add that it may sometimes actually be themanagers who are the blinkered ones because they cannot stand back and observe in the same way as fans can and often get far too carried away with their own tactical beliefs etc.

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    malaga flier

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Fox is the best passer of the ball NCFC have and the problem NCFC has is feeding the ball up to the front in a creative way to split open defences. He has to be tried urgently against Everton. And yes, it is an offensive article, insensitively written at a time when we need to boost our players not knock them down. Lazy and unhelpful journalism in my view...

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    Surrey Canary

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Anyone else heard the Hoolahan rumours from Talk Sport? Apparently they are claiming he'll be a Villa player in the next 48 hours! Hope this is more hot air and not true

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    Powers1902

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • While the jury maybe out on Fox, it came in a long time ago on Hughton, leave our club before you destroy it. Given that Hughton has failed to fine a winning formula for over 12 months then giving the fox a chance must be a no brainier. Mind you the city board seems to be made up of no brains at all, how they persist with this management team is beyond me

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    Canaryinslovenia

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Fans have been going on and on about playing two up top and then want fox back in...which would naturally mean one back up front as you would still have to play Howson and Fer! As for the Vaughan situation, his legs fall off twice a week...can't be trusted.

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    JimBob

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Goldie watch the Everton man beginning with P. He dives all the time. Has been awarded the most free kicks this season. The problem is if referees keep giving free kicks they will keep doing it.OTBC

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    sharky

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Put him instead of Johnson. What's there to lose?

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    chirpy

    Wednesday, January 8, 2014

  • We are playing Fulham again soon you know, lets see if he pulls out another performance, then ask the same question if he is good enough for the league.

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    Admiral F

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Snodgrass is a hard worker but not a team player, thats where he falls down and his over dramatic falls look ridiculous, he looks more like a dive into a pool than a person who has been tripped. Referees are pretty poor but he is so obvious he does't get a foul when he is badly tripped. Professional footballers are so cosseted and nursemaided no one in the backroom has the guts to tell him how much better he would be without amateur dramatics and passing the ball to others in the team in better positions instead of thinking he is in the spotlight when he has the ball.

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    goldie

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • No, no and finally no. Too slow by far - just watch if City get caught upfield and lose possession, he will be last man back, if he gets back. Never give and go, instead a plenty of "Crab" football and occassionally the odd forward pass. Fox likes to be in plenty of space, watching the game develop without taking responsibility himself to influence the game. Yes he is the best passer at the club, I will give him that.

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    A fine city

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • No, I would not put him in the starting 11 because of one FA Cup game. I would put him in the starting 11 because he has been exceptional for us the majority of times he's played in the famous yellow and green! OTBC

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    Powers1902

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Fox has been unfairly castigated for the Luton game , when in fairness the entire team were awful . There is no reason why a player of his ability can't fit into the side , this theory that you have to be able tackle like a defender doesn't hold water , look at Paul Scholes he was a creative genius with great passing and vision but he couldn't tackle for toffee , always one heartbeat behind . The key is a player alongside that puts in the donkey work , giving him space and time to do what we all know he can do . As things stand we are abysmal , nobody is concerned about playing us . Far too predictable as the tactics never change , we need to mix it up and pose questions of the opposition . The inclusion of the Murphy twins is a good start , but we have a squad for a reason about time ours was used to find what we are missing , a real , credible and genuine threat . For me , Redmond on the right , Josh Murphy on the left and Fox pulling the strings , we've got nothing to lose and everything to gain .

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    mjc75

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • That is one of the most insulting titles to an article I have seen in this rag. I am not sure that David Fox, whose performances I have enjoyed watching in the past, is the answer to the current woes but everyone seems to agree that (a) he is the best passer of the ball we have and (b) that our crosses into the box are wasteful, frequently leaving our forwards stranded. If that is true then doesn’t a + b = fox.

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    Swiss Canary

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Ha, cheers lordbesty! No, sadly no copying there gone forever i'd assume within the EDP domains. Does get annoying as many times ive posted something I've really thought about etc and then it gets filtered etc because i've used a certain word that looks or contains a curse word etc...lol! blooming (the word there to avoid mods is blooming) annoying.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • M333 such a long post. Why not just put you last sentence. You said it there. For teams like ours its a matter of survival at this time. Thats why teams like ours play with defensive tactics. Fox or Hoolihan. We cant have both. Fox was given his chance before and blew it. I am pleased he did play well against Fulham. OTBC

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    sharky

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Hi Mattias333 I hope you copy those before you post them. If they were lost in the ether, for whatever reason, I'd be gutted. Good read.

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    lordbesty

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Spot on MJC, in that Luton game the entire team was awful. Against Fulham we played generally quite well but not everyone performed superbly. Fox played how he always plays. Always looking to get on the ball, looking to recieve from the back line so they dont just lump it up top to that make believe target man. LOL at Goldie, My grammar has never been the best an although at times it appears I could well be a 12 year old typing its more to do with the rushed posts while at work constantly alt+tab-ing the web browser pages lol!

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    Mattias333

    Wednesday, January 8, 2014

  • Why Norwich fans should or shouldn't fall into the David Fox trap is better read as which Norwich fans support Hughton and which don't, as I see it 66% at this time don't. Maybe a simplification, who knows

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    Gruff

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • We have to remember that Fulham put out their reserves on Saturday and also that Fox was dreadful against Luton last year. However, he had a great game on Saturday and can only perform against the opposition put in front of him. I have always thought that Hoolahan, Howson and Fox are all fighting for a single place in the team and we certainly look too weak if two out of the three are played together as none are really ball winners. Wes & Howson perform best in the hole whereas Fox performs best in a deeper position, that however is a problem when you play against some of the more physical teams. If Wes is fit on Saturday then I would start with him but if he is still a doubt then why not give Fox a chance to prove himself. The manager just needs to have a plan B if it goes off the rail, now that would make a change.

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    TrevorKeith

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • If I had to guess its either extra motivation against the big boys or under estimating the lesser teams. Either that or deep lying theory that the manager simply cant get them playing to there full potential. While I only played at an amatuer level as well as managed at an amatuer level the problem is still the same. You play brilliantly against the top teams then roll up expecting an easy win against the lackluster bottom side and end up struggling. How to do combat that? Thats down to the manager. Easy to say once the players cross the white line its down to them, but ultimately it falls at the managers door.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Instead of johnson why not ??? Howson (fit) no and fer no but he can actually pass a ball to someone in a canary shirt but im afraid theres only one way to cure our ills and improve every player in our squad but mr mc not so nasty is holding back for another aassault on the championship !!!

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    marcohendy

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Putting in a man of the match performance on his first outing for us in a long time has to put Fox in contention, particularly with all of the injuries we have at the moment.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Thanks Sharky and Matias333 I was scribbling my rubbish whilst you were posting but we are talking Premiership players here!

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    goldie

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Be careful not to fall into the David Fox trap - he's dug a pit outside the ground and covered it with sticks and leaves in an attempt to get other midfielders injured. So far the only victim is RVW who hurt his toe in it

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    GossVolley

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • ^5 to Mattias333. More sense in his response than i've seen from Hughton and his not so Merry Men in the last 18 mths. Well written, well argued and i believe, entirely accurate.

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    kpg24uk

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Fans have been going on and on about playing two up top and then want fox back in...which would naturally mean one back up front as you would still have to play Howson and Fer! As for the Vaughan situation, his legs fall off twice a week...can't be trusted.

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    JimBob

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Much appreciated kpg24uk. I always try and argue both sides despite my overall opinion as at the end of the day im just an amatuer football manager with amatuer playing experience. Im no know it all, and certainly don't get paid the levels of those in charge. Apologies for my long post though sharky. Lots of points to cover and likely too much time on my hands at work today.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Of course supporters can have an opinion about tactics etc. A manager has to look at the whole picture. We would all love to see attacking football.Look what happened against Chelsea after we equalised. We attacked and were cut apart, The EPL is big business. Thats why at this time we need to survive. To say the manager is clueless quite frankly is the same.....clueless. OTBC

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    sharky

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Expecting one player to deliver every week would be unrealistic. What is more relevant is why such a competent and skilled player is excluded from the squad when we have been 3 players short of the permitted number of squad members?

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    essex canary

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Can anyone please explain to me how City can play so good ie,as in the recent game against Man.U and then most of the time play so poorly even against inferior teams.

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    goldie

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • I wonder who you work for. Obviously not getting much from you today he he

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    sharky

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Mattias333 good idea you use WORD then you could use the spell check, ie amateur and steal instead of steel although spell check would not pick that one up. Like your sensible posts today. You probably work for a building supplier as most construction firms have 2 weeks off at Xmas. Just joking about the spelling, especially as you are racing to get your thoughts down. Keep going.

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    goldie

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Alot of the time i'd have him over Johnson anyway. Johnson consistently gives the ball away even when under no pressure, does the muscle job to an average degree (not excelling as some make out) and overall is a lesser player than others who can do the same job (Tettey, Fer etc...). I firmly believe you need a blend in the centre. If you stupidly lucky you'll get a muscle man who can also play to. In the long run, and certainly right now against lesser teams I believe Fer can do this allowing us to play Howson & another etc....Its mix and match really. Some sides require us to be more defensive and play two DMC's like Johnson and Tettey etc...but in the position NCFC are in where one week were the underdog and the next were the favourite we cannot be fixed to just 1 setup. Sadly however Hughton seems to get stuck in patterns where we play the same setup and starting xi whoever were playing.

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    Mattias333

    Thursday, January 9, 2014

  • I thought fox traps were banned years ago. D'yer ken John Peel, wi' his coat o grey.

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    waclor

    Wednesday, January 8, 2014

  • Here's a little tip then Mattias, given that both of us like to, shall we say, stretch out linguistically. Write your posting as a word document, then copy and paste into the box. If you get ethered, go back to the word document, look for what you think might be the offending word[s], substitute an asterisk or similar [as in Ars* for A*senal etc] and give it another try. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Alternatively, right click and drag what you've written in the box so as to highlight the text, then copy and paste if necessary.

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • I think a lot of these hype stories are created by the press so they can fill in column space, a bit like this pointless infill.

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    parkeg1

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • I totally agree with you Barton, youve hit the nail on the head. Im a huge Fox fan and judging from the posts i am not alone. As you say Powers1902, the majority of the time he's played for us he has been exceptional and it is obvious to see that distribution wise we dont really have anyone like him . As TrevorKeith says he sits deeper so links it more from the back than Howson who gets forward more. I have to say though I am a little annoyed with this article, i think its unecessary. I actually think its disrespectful to Fox, the poor guy is out of the squad every week or sittin on the bench, gets one game , plays well and someone decides to write an article asking us to not fall in to the trap??? I think its disrespectful to someone who has always served us well.

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    bonesy

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • I dont agree totally with the Wes, Fox & Howson are battling it out for 1 spot potentially. My reasoning being different sides require different approaches. Something in reality Hughton does not seem capable of doing. Ive said the point before certain games do require a more steal, strong and robust approach. The use of less technically gifted but stronger players like Bradley Johnson can be highly effective if we get it tactically spot on. For all my moans and groans at Hughton the best example of this I can find is last season at home to Arsenal. Santi Cazorla was in the form of his life, destroying sides almost on his own. Then he faced us and we kept him totally out of the game via 2 DMC players in Tettey & Johnson. These two are not the most technically gifted but they kept Arsenal totally at bay keeping Cazorla out the game and to top it all off we scored with virtually our only chance! That was an example of hughton getting it tactically spot on. However though the next home game we played a Newcastle side totally injury plagued and down to the bare bones. Instead of going for it a little more we played the exact same line up and barely created a chance again and Newcastle (literally by comments of Alan Smith who was sub) couldn't believe they'd got away with a draw. The best of Hughton & Worst in just two games. The same applies now. There is no reason why in certain games you couldn't apply 2 of Wes, Fox, Howson together etc or even in some cases all 3 together. Were not the kind of side who can just sit back and say this is our best 11 and were gonna play that come rain or shine. We need to be more tactically aware and at times brave and identify others teams weak spots. For anyone that follows me on twitter (no shameless plugs) they will have noticed more often than not I can predict the entire starting 11 each game. If I can do it, how easy is it for the teams were playing who are professionals to spot it and prepare etc. Hughtons biggest problems is he seems to adopt a style and then plays that no matter what for months. Then suddenly changes and plays something different for months.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Whats the risk of playing Fox? I dont see any reason for this much held perception that he'd be out of his depth. He was third in our POTS in a team that comfortably held its own in the premier league in 1112 and ball retention which is such a weakness of this current side is his main strength. Apparently he is too lightweight and the midfield would be overrun...cant see how that differs to much from what happens now.

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    Carl Fenton

    Sunday, January 12, 2014

  • lol no comment. Its a sloooow few weeks to be fair!

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • He is a Hughton outcast and wont get a sniff.I rate him better than johnson, on par with howson but not the potential as Fer. Divisions better than the murphy twins

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    AC Canary

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • Good thinking!! Usually I dont have as much free time on my hands at work as I have lately and making good use of the alt and tab keys is the secret to my success when bosses do appear! Im not normally a big poster but when my mind gets thinking, especially regarding NCFC it does sometimes go into overdrive!

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • So long as we are winning more matches than we draw, and drawing more matches than we lose - nope, I wouldn't include him. So long as we are polishing off the lesser teams like Fulham, West Ham, Palace etc with style, nope I wouldn't give him a start. So long as we are keeping the fans really happy with exciting football, no I wouldn't use him. So long as we have a team of talented individuals who link up well together and don't need someone with Fox's talents, why bother....? Seriously Chris Lakey, isn't it worth giving him a run out just to see if he can help break the general standard of our play? (Or would that make certain people look a bit silly?).

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    Barton

    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

  • the writer of the article has this down to a Tee. Fox hasnt played because in training the other lads in the side are showing more that he is. The fulham side he played against, a bit like ours was only made up of 50% of standard Premiership players so he was not up againdt the same level of player he will come accross week after week in the Premiership so in theory he was back to playing against the standard of a top Championship side. Add to that, the fact that he is in his 30s now, I want to look to the future and youth who will take us forward in the next 5 years. Fox is a decent player but we have better at the club so for me he is no more than an emergency stop gap player at the club now

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    Tuesday, January 7, 2014

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