Norwich City’s Premier League defeat at Hull is a wake up call

Norwich City boss Chris Hughton admitted the Canaries' 1-0 Premier League defeat at Hull was a wake up call. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd Norwich City boss Chris Hughton admitted the Canaries' 1-0 Premier League defeat at Hull was a wake up call. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd

Monday, August 26, 2013
7:15 AM

Chris Hughton admitted Norwich’s no-show at Hull should rank with any of the lowlights since his arrival at the club.

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The Canaries were unable to penetrate a Tigers’ outfit reduced to 10-men for more than an hour after Yannick Sagbo was red-carded for an apparent head butt gesture in the vicinity of Russell Martin. Robbie Brady’s earlier first-half penalty settled a Premier League encounter that prompted more questions than answers for the Norwich manager.

“Yes, that is as frustrated as I have been for a while watching us play,” he said. “We started quite brightly and for some reason we decided to make things difficult for ourselves. We gave away possession far too easily against a team at home who are going to try and pressure you. We couldn’t handle that and as a result we never really got into a rhythm in that first half.

“When you go 1-0 down that only makes it more difficult. Can I say Hull deserved to be ahead during that period? No, probably not but neither did we.

“We had to show more quality in the final third. We used the possession very well in that second half and it looked like it would be a matter of time before we broke them down but we came up against a very resilient Hull team.

“I’m very disappointed not to get anything out of the game and I think on reflection that was down to our first half performance. We let the tempo of our game drop and we didn’t threaten their goal enough for the amount of the ball we had.”

Hughton’s anger over his side’s own failings was not helped by a sense of rough justice regarding the match-deciding penalty incident when Michael Turner was adjudged to have impeded Sagbo.

Referee Mike Jones indicated Turner was guilty of pinning Sagbo at Norwich’s near post to prevent the home striker latching onto Robert Koren’s intended cross, but Hughton was adamant the visitors had a genuine case for parity when Turner was fouled by one-time Norwich transfer target Curtis Davies in an earlier skirmish in the opposition penalty area.

“The game turns on for me an incident that is an incredibly soft penalty to give,” he said. “Watching in real-time I never for one moment thought he would give it. That isn’t usually the case. If you are going to give them then there would be plenty in every game. If the lad was about to head the ball in the back of the net then maybe you look at it but the player was never going to get to the ball. It was going over his head. Is there some contact? Yes, there is but you see that in every game and in lots of moments during games.

“There was a better claim for me a little earlier between Curtis Davies and Michael at a corner that was certainly a bigger incident for a penalty. If you are going to give the one against Michael then you must also give the one a moment before when he was pushed at a corner by Curtis Davies. I feel really aggrieved about that. If you look at both incidents and view one as a penalty then you have to do it for the other.”

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  • Spot on MB. Like a fool I shall be there tomorrow night, and on Saturday for that matter. I just hope I do not have to repeat that well know quote of Jenson Button, when the team line up is announced, "What is her Doing". We really must start playing the best player in each position, rather than finding a spot for a favoured player. Will we start against Bury looking for a draw I wonder? Perhaps that should read I fear!

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Nothing to do with the players who played against Hull it was the tactics they were given to set up and not attack and try and get a point, no doubt we will try and get a 1-0 win against bury and hardly attack he might think their quite a potent attacking threat lol,

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    hooley14

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Brew, I've just seen it - I prefer your analogy. Not for the first time we're in concord. The deployment of Airborne troops, trained in the ' being surrounded role', require good logistics, an unfailing supply chain, also, they HAVE to be relieved, reinforced, in a predetermined time scale. Failure to do so, they whither on the vine, are overrun - ultimately wiped-out. The enemy having become numerically superior, with heavier weaponry. See Arnhem Sept. 1944. I'm sure you, and others, can master the subtext. Tactics, learnt on the playgrounds of Eaton?

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • i would make the same players play against bury.and work that awfull performance out of there system.

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    bluelight

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • I keep forgetting, Bury are a very, very good side and even a draw at home against them is a success, "you have to remember where we came from".

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …..Hello Neil!... understand most of your comment, but don't think it can wait until 15th March 2014, before decisions are made.!.....Brew!, as you said a web moderation e.mail should arrive soon... Hope the reason given to me is not 'other'....I haven't been down that road for yonks!.....Dissaster! You are so right! Watching play unfold live on large screen TV, gives a greater perspective than eyes watching from 2ft to 5ft above ground on the halfway line.. The whole pitch is in view, rather than a very very small bit!....If anyone disagrees they should try a seat 4 or 5 rows up in the N&P stand and tell their neighbours what's going on down at the Barclay end......

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Graham, I am afraid I was in Addis Ababa on Saturday and (thankfully) the Hull game wasn't shown on TV there. Lets for a morale boosting win tonight and carry that into Sat ! OTBC

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    Dubai Canary

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Stew, glad you can recognise the point I was trying to make. Like Brew, you read and noted the thread of my posts - not reading them in isolation.

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Graham, do us all a favour and go to the toilet !

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Dissaster, I think I`ve just about understood that one! Is that "Eaton" a deliberate looocal malapropism\pun or just a fortuitous gem? Can never tell with you, as you swoop in from left-field, like a bandit at 9 o`clock, all brain cells blazing. I used to play, badly, for Eaton Rovers Reserves in the Naaridge Sunday League, Division 173. I now realise that should have qualified me to be a `Cabernet` Minister or an Archant journo. Where did it all go wrong......?

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • What's this - looking to the youth team to populate the match day squad? What???? Are we arguing in the lifeboats already - the ship abandoned? Try reading Rudyard Kipling's poem, 'If''. Y'know, meeting & treating triumph & disaster . . . . . etc etc. Keeping your head?

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • The manager's mindset needs to change, once again we were set up for a nil nil draw but the penalty descision meant this had to be changed with an hour to play. However, it is too obvious that we never plan for such things in our pre match planning, so the team continue to try to stop conceding more goals. Without doubt they are playing as directed by the manager so the defeat lays firmly upon his shoulders. The worrying thing is, we actually had an easy first three games but this is followed by a relatively hard five games. If we still sit with only one or a couple of points on the table come October 26th it will be almost too late to recover from a disasterous start. Time for plan B to be discovered and put into action.

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • I suppose we will see more squad rotation tomorrow to give those class players a well earned break - instead of that Hughton should have had the whole lot down at Colney yesterday morning at 6am for a nice 5mile cross country run - with Calderwood and his side kick lat the front - then perhaps the players and the so called coaches would indeed have a wake up call and realise that we have had enough of this rubbish they dish up.

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    VictorM

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Yes we are mushroom fans kept in the dark about everything,not even the courtesy of why our best players are not playing with some of them on the bench. The patients have taken over the asylum. no one in the coaching staff with attacking experience to coach the midfield and forwards. It's a mickey mouse organisation. Fans are treated with contempt. Personally I am not going to watch the Bury game I wasted too much money last season.

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    goldie

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Can someone update the fans regarding gary hoopers injury all we know it is a shin injury when r we likely to see him in the green n yellow we r in the dark otbc

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    pete22

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Some of these criticisms of CH & co, are beyond harsh, more like panic fuelled ravings. Perhaps you - and you, know who YOU are - should sit back, take a deep breath, and formulate a more measured, objective response, to a display that was indeed poor, but will not be confined to NCFC over 38 matches. Let us see the response, before shouting'n'screaming like a middle-east mob.

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • You are right Dissaster, there will be other poor one-off performances by many prem teams before we end the season in May. These are inevitable. However the old Hughton problem is what we are discussing here: overly negative tactics, few chances created, players played out of position and the obvious demotivation brought about by a manager who consistently rates the opposition more highly than his own players. He is just not achieving at this level and some of his decisions are quite simply baffling.

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    waclor

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Nice story Brew ! I know that neck of the wood, as I used to live in Hales for a few years in my dark distant past. My old friend runs the Queen's Head in Thurlton these days, so drop in and say "Hi" to Jem. By they way, Phil Hoadley the former City player used to run the pub for a while. Small word ha ?

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    Dubai Canary

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Why does it take so long for a post to get through on this site?

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    goldie

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Dubai canary been to the toilet done how we were at hull say no more goodnight was you at the game by the way ?

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • It's a wake up call for you Mr Hughton, i think you should let the team play and attack especially against a 10 man Hull city team, soon as their player got sent off that was the cue to attack and bring on wes and snoddy straight away show intent instead you give wes 10mins to try and rescue the game, when it's 10 men against hull city you need a player like wes to open teams up and to want the ball, very poor tactical decisions their Mr hughton, and anyone thinking Southampton is going to be easy just because were at home have no idea how hard that game will be, and how tettey can be in that team ahead of fox i will never know and fox will want the ball, but Mr hughton don't like players who attack and want the ball he like defensive players, hence we hardly attacked against Hull, He's now going to think he has to beat Bury and will play a full strength line up when we should be resting are key players for Saturday so this is a total lash up if were honest,

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    hooley14

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Hooley, Normally I would agree and love to see the Murphy boys given a start but right now I fear we need to be playing the senior men in an attempt to get them playing as a team. However, I do not want to see a repeat of the first two games whereby players are played out of position, notably Howson wwho cannot defend and certainly is not a winger. Either he or Wes should play in the attacking midfield "Hole" role or preferably we should change to a two striker formation, with one dropping back to help the midfield out when required..

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • The players need a kick up the .....! Not good enough but we will see how the next few games go.My worry is that he has a pedestrian midfield that only goes backwards and Fer looks the same as the rest!

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    dave123

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • I pretty much agree with all the postings on here. The passing was awful and playing so negatively against a newly promoted team is worrying. I think CH has failed to shrug off the idea that we are a newly promoted 'lesser team' in the league despite this being our third season. I don't think we should be playing 4-4-2 every game like some, but against a newly promoted team so early in the season, with the gulf in quality we are meant to have this match has given me real cause for concern. I just hope it gives them a kick start on to better things.

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    MellowYellow

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • As long as it`s not money, Stew!

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • No Bill, the coach I mentioned was the only one NOT behind the times.

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    waclor

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Not knocking, Diss! Not at all. I enjoy the mental gymnastics sometimes needed to unpeel the artichoke-like layers of your cerebral processes. It is a pleasure. Helps ward off my impending senility. I just wondered whether you were punning about Eaton Park, Naaridge rather than the Tory Party`s Kindergarten of Kudos, Eton. A Harrowing thought.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • I would however, like to see the Murphy boys on the bench along with Morris so that when we go three up (OK I am a dreamer), then we can see what the boys have to offer and give them a taste of first team football.

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • So Hoots rates this with the lowest of the lows in his time at City.In terms of performance he should be used to it, he keeps sending out the side to play this way and is suprized when it goes 'titsup'.Probably rates as badly ,for me, as the Luton game , or Villa in the league cup or villa at home ,or Wigan away, or Sunderland away, or .It happens to many times under CH

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Yes CH, a wake up call deffo!! To the team I'd say - remind them - if you retain possession of the ball, your opponents can't hurt you. To CH, even the finest crafted guns manufactured are ineffectual - useless - without ammunition. I am 100% convinced, should he persist in playing RvW in the lone striker role (the isolated striker role) it will fail, miserably. Merely a re-run of Holt 2012-13 - only vastly more expensively so. Pose a constant, potent, attacking threat, otherwise the opponents defence, push-up, adding yet more numbers to close you down, thus creating & maintaining pressure. One isolated player is a 'token' attacking threat - no more - and easily nulified.

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • No Bill, the coach I mentioned was the only one NOT behind the times.

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    waclor

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Mr Hemmings why on earth would you think that Malky would leave Cardiff City and come to Norwich? At Cardiff he has more funds at his disposal and he has already brought success to the club. Di Matteo maybe and what about Mike Phelan. Tell you what let's poach a manager from Colchester. Can't be worse than Hughton and p**ing off Cowling again would be amusing.

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    waclor

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …. Tell you what Brew! ..Paddy has been earning his corn this week-end!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • if ch stays then Norwich will go down so come on board you have backed this clown with your spending now back your loyal fans and get rid of him AND HIS CLUELESS BACKROOM STAFF MALKY ,WITH HUCKS OR DIMATTEO ? ANY BETTER THAN HOOTS WHY DID HOLT LEAVE DIDNT LIKE HOOTS TATICS ENOUGH SAID OTBC

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • 'We had to show more quality in the final third.' Actually, we have to show more quality in the middle third to supply the final third. My sense is that we have the striking quality to hit a good scoring chance to goal scored ratio...

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    Surrey Canary

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • "One flew over the cuckoo's nest". Goodnight.

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …..I thought by now we would have had S.O. in one of her guises, on line, giving us the reasons why we,( not the team),are getting it so wrong. Surely we must be missing something!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • guess most of us feel that City should put out their strongest 11 against Bury, stuff them, and get some confidence. Wanna bet the team has loads of changes, because the coaching staff know so much more than we do.

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • just had a 50 quid on hoots being first prem manager sacked took 91 good bet in my eyes down from 161 last Saturday the bookie reckons I have a monkey to come back happy days otbc

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • It would be pointless for Hughton to leave. We all agree he's got the best squad we've ever had and it is HIS squad. He just needs to reflect and adjust his tactics. I watched the whole game and the thing that struck me was our ball passing was either slightly behind the intended or directly to, as opposed to in front to allow someone to run on to it. This has got to be a managers directive and allows no penetration. That has to change. The other thing I kept shouting was, "TOO STATIC", no one running into space, presumably because it would leave their man unmarked. Again this would be a managers directive. So change, or at least fine tune, these issues and we will create more chances. Simple.

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    Lobbo

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Indeed Waclor, that'd be the one with the two footmen standing at the back

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • You see, goldie, that got through! Have you searched your posting for forbidden words? I wonder if `mickey mouse` is now deemed to be offensive? Try `woody woodpecker` and see if that works. ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • As I have said before, systems do not win games players do, however, from what I have seen of RVW, he is not a lone striker or target man, he is the old style number 10. If we were not going to play a formation that suits his undoubed ability, why did we but him. I think we have been unlucky loosing Hooper for the opening two games, as I think he could in fact either play the target man role or in the hole as required. However, we need to be getting crosses in from the flanks and playing Howson out right was never going to produce that. I think he is a decent attacking midfielder but he cannot defend and cannot play on the wing either. Do not play players out of their natural position just to keep them in the team. Likewise, why was Bassong not playing, he has already played 180 minutes so must surely be match fit by now. Ditto, lets hear a report on Pilks & Hooper, whay are they not mentioned.

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • I have been out for most of the day and have just read the comments on this thread. I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with most of them. My question to CH would be – “Why did you start with such a defensive formation against one of the newly promoted teams from last season?” I’d also like to have an injury update on Hooper, Pilks, Bassong (I think Seb has played 2 full games in the last week!!). We need to get some points on the board quickly and after Saints, we have a pretty tough run of matches coming up. I’m sure I’m not alone in not wanting to see a repeat of the home games against Stoke, Fulham and Newcastle of last season!!!!

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    Mr Ed

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • "Locks" is still worth a visit, Dubai. The Green Jack owner is a great enthusiast of music, fishing, and brewing f****ng good beer. Give it a try next time you are in Blighty. I have really enjoyed this chat! ;-)) (permitted or not).

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Dear Brew I have examined your contention that Dissaster's original statement was a ‘fortuitous gem’, and that the inclusion of the 'a' in the word 'Eaton' was purely accidental, however, I cannot accept this apparently salubrious assertion given the reference to ‘tactics learnt on the playgrounds of Eaton’. Had this been ‘playing fields of Eaton’ I might have given him [or her] the benefit of the doubt. Notice how his next post changes to the latter. I’m afraid he’s pulled your pants down here Brewer, and pulled them over your ears. Dissaster indeed, more like dastardly fellow. I can’t believe Archant allow such bounders and cads on here As for the posting on the other board, no, it was entirely deliberate, I knew you would see it, though you might not have noticed my tongue poking into my cheek. There is another one somewhere, thanking you for sharing your experiences of being ethered. Anyway, my bold patch is starting to get a bit thin again, and I’ve got three reports to finish before the Manchester United game. Hope you all had a good weekend, apart from the football that is, and lastly, The Napoleonic Guide states that there is some doubt as to whether the Duke of Wellington [person, not pub] actually said ‘The battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton’. Its well worth checking out, by the way, can’t believe some of the things Wellington said, seems like he must have been a complete idiot. Thank heavens our manager isn’t like that. ‘The hardest thing of all for a soldier is to retreat’. Take note Mr Hughton

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • When is Hughton going to wake up and not be so negative ,Saturday lacked motivation and ideas and it is up to Hughton to provide these

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    leslie cater

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • The only half decent coach at Carra rd is the one the players travel in.

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    waclor

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • goldie, a wise old sage I once worked with once advised me that seemingly malicious acts were usually down to incompetence & stupidity rather than ill-intent. With Arch Ants it could be a potent combination of all three.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Hi Dubai, I too was lucky. I was in Nogdam End (the upmarket suburb of Greater Norton Subcourse) and, because the fibre optic in those paarts is made of sisal, it got wet when it was being ferried across to the loocal communal compooter (a 1981 BBC Model B, of wooden construction. Even the chips are wood) - Result:- we couldn`t stream the game. We had to make do with a nice game of Subbuteo using our `local derby` set of players. Naaaridge beat the Donkeys 17-2. No player was red-carded but one suffered a serious injury when he snapped off at the ankles. We now call the resulting mannequin `Kenny Foggo`. ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Irongloves 'he gets more clean sheets from Mrs.CH than his team does'. I think what your trying to say, is that he gets more clean sheets from Mrs CH than he does from the team, unless of course she's doing the team's laundry

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Good to see Hoots sounding angry and disappointed. I am sure he shares a lot of our frustrations. Yes, it was a poor result but there is no need for all and sundry to leap off the deep end. Remember when we beat WBA 4-0 last season ? They had a real shocker that day, but it was no the end of their world, and, neither will this be the end of ours. Now we have a kick up the pants and 'must do better'. Lets get to it and make sure we overturn Southampton on Saturday at home ! OTBC

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …..Looks as if the ball is well and truly in your court now Mr Hughton!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Come on Graham, that is too harsh. I am not happy with things just now, but Chris Hughton is a fine fellow. I honestly believe he needs better coaching support. Bewilderwood is to creative football what Dracula is to the blood transfusion service.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • It's very sad having to read these comments from our most passionate fans; especially when we should be writing accolades of great attacking play with strength and control in defense and midfield; able to adapt to how the opposition is performing! Yes the players do have to take some of the responsibility; but at the end of the day the buck stops with the manager. What Hoots needs is an assistance coach well versed in attacking principles to help give him the balance but also the capabilty of adjusting tactics during the course of the game; and encouraging the creativity of the midfield, the wingers, the attacking fullbacks and the strikers. He would be more highly thought of if he could admit to his deficiencies; we all have them; it's a case of recognising that. Hoots is not necessarily a bad manager; but I do question the effectiveness of Calderwood and Trollope; they are just as responsible. Let's just hope this was the bad day at the office and it gets so much better from here! Upwards and onwards. otbc

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    Canarygirl

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • The formation is more like 8 1 1. If you look at the Everton goals, you will see a very poorly organised Norwich defence packing the area, getting in eachother's way and failing to mark arriving midfield players. It is not only in attack where Hughton is a failure.

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    waclor

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Seems to me that the interchanges of `stage misunderstanding` `twixt Dissaster and I mean more to you than they do to either of us, BPbp! Diss did make a point of saying the Wellington quote was `probably apocryphal`. I was aware from the outset that Diss was probably having a laaarf, but wanted to make sure - as it turns out he claims the "Eaton" pun was indeed an accident, but I think he`s being modest. I am a great fan of Dissaster, specially when S\O & his henchmen attack him. That `pulling down of pants` bit of yours was a bit S\O-esque, btw..... Looks like we may have signed winger James Troisi of Atalanta on a season`s loan.

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Remember, a good coach never critisizes his players in public, but, I reckon under his breath Hoots will be fuming and will make have made his message clearly. We have a chance to put a few things right tomorrow evening - so lets stop whining and get behind the team and the manager tomorrow night.

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Btw, Stew, you`ll be getting an e-mail from the Moderator in due course (say next week). Submission rejected by the Moderator. Reason: Sarcastic use of "Mr". The hyphen got it through! ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • The comments about the team, the manager, coaching team and tactics are repeats of what happened week after week during last season and here we are with different players but nothing has changed. Hughton rode his luck last season but he hasn't changed. In fact it's worse because he hasn't learnt from his mistakes. The board must insist on some new thinking - if Hughton and his coaches can't provide it then they should get rid and find someone who can. We are in a great position club wise with the best squad we've ever had and financially secure and we can't afford to waste it with stubborn tactics of a manager who seems to be devoid of any ambition whatsoever.

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    VictorM

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Despite his exasperating over cautious approach to every game he gets more clean sheets from Mrs.CH than his team does.

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    irongloves

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Waclor, don't take it out on Mr Hemmings, its not his fault, even if he does think that we're all down the end of the street

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …..Goldie ….My last two posts were sent as one...but ethered. Can you see anything offensive?.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • BP, surely it penetrated your bp that Dissaster was happy to admit Eaton was a `fortuitous` pun. Still very funny though. Sometimes even wiity people create witticisms by accident. I wish people were less tardy on the uptake, or more honest when they are. Bill Punton himself was quite quick. You did foresee a response on another board, perhaps hoping I wouldn`t see it? See?

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • We should have one this match but Hughton still plays with one striker up front .That was city down fall last season could not score goals and if he continues to play the same game . City might get relegated this time.Hughton is the wrong manager for Norwich don't wast to much time in sacking him.

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    DOBBY1970

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • You need to look beyond the manager and at our team coaches. They are not premiership standard - that is so obvious to see by the negative way in which we play. We have no creative midfield - simply a defensive one. When that gets breached - and it will all too often - we have no way of creating the chances are strikers need to feed off. Redmond shows flair but is simply too greedy. He needs to be aware of his team mates around him and pass to them. In both games thus far he has run out of steam after less than one hour. Or is it because the opposition have worked out he doesnt pass the ball?

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    Timberman

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • more like a kick up the a**e needed by players and management!As has already been said on here if you get off to a poor start then its more difficult to get away from the bottom of the league.ie qpr and reading last season.With tough games coming up the southampton game is a must win so will be interesting to see what team is selected for that as well as tomorrow night.Hopefully bass,pilks and olsson will be fit for a run out against bury and so be picked for the saints.Theres also fox,butterfield and becchio who i hope will be busting a gut to play!!

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    tonyb

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • At the end of the day we haven't spent 15 million pounds on classy strikers to let them have one chance per game because that is what has happened so far Ricky has had two chances on goal scored with one, he need to let the team attack if not whats the point in buying him, i am backing hughton but the whole point in the board backing him with this Money must has been from hughton saying he is going to change his style of football hence the board backing him soo well, i look at how Villa play and i just feel jealous and it reminds me of how we used to play, even if they lose them go down attacking and with sooo much energy liked we used to and as a fan that's you ask but it's letting the players be able to do that not say to them look whatever you do don't lose basically,

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    hooley14

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • i would make the same players play against bury.and work that awfull performance out of there system.

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    bluelight

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Dobby, I honestly believe it would be counter-productive to sack Chris Hughton. He must`ve worked really hard in his short time here just to bring in good players - and he`s brought in plenty. I wonder whether this has impaired his input to the coaching side and the overview? Lambo had strong support from Culverhouse, who was acknowledged by Gorbalschev as being top drawer. I`m not quite sure exactly what Gary Karsa`s role was, but he must`ve been pretty useful `cos he`s still part of that management team. Who has Hoots got?

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • hughtons tatics are like Italian tanks during ww2 frightened to go on the attack look where it got them beaten to surrender if we loose our next two games we will be in trouble I don't want my beloved Norwich ,going the same way as leeds,wolves and Coventry that is my point o.k

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • City fans are becoming victims of the clichéd "Mushroom Management". Kept in the dark and having s**t thrown over them.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Allot of you guys are saying 'lets give it a few games' , which is undeniably fair. On the other hand,(assuming we beat Bury) what if we go to Southampton and nothing changes? How many more chances will Hughton get? I like the guy and I'm rooting for him as many of you seemingly are, but if we go to Southampton and loose convincingly I fear all my hope for Hughton may be gone.

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    Hello Neil

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Dissaster, on another board I likened RvW to a F1 engine with a moped`s fuel supply.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …..Lo-oks a-s if the ba-l-l is wel-l and tr-uly in yo-ur co-urt no-w M-r Hu-gh-ton!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • …..Looks as if the Ball is well and truly in your court Mr Hughton..... …. Tell you what Brew! ..Paddy has been earning his corn this week-end!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Goal=fest tomorrow night = practice for Southampton defeat Saturday - otherwise a season of torture awaits us.

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    Steve Gordon

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • The worrying thing is that, having spent £25m on players, on Saturday it looked just like many of our insipid performances last season. By now, with a big pre-season programme, the new players should have integrated. Which leads me again to the only logical conclusion: our tactics are wrong as is our lack of ambition. The philosophy of going out not to get beaten is so negative and when we go a goal down is usually a position from which we cannot escape. I agree with earlier postings - our build-up is also still too slow, our pass and movement woeful and time and again players on the ball choose the wrong options.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Oh yes, I remember pints of Adnams Old in the Geldeston Wherry and Jake the Peg being performed in the Geldeston Locks is the days before they had electricity there - Happy Days Brew

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    Dubai Canary

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Hey Brew, was not trying to impress, merely expanding this 'isolated striker' business, the RvW role in the team. Football & military tactics are not that dissimilar, once you take yourself high into the stands, and away from the frenetic, screaming touchline. There you can see formations unfold - see the consequences of your tactics on the 'whole' field of play. Have never, ever understood managers not spending at least a short time there. The 'Eaton' was, as you suggested, a fortuitous gem. I allude to the probable apocryphal quote, of Wellington, 'the Battle of Waterloo, was won on the playing fields of Eaton'. Tactics DO win battles, more so than individuals, likewise football matches.

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Tomorrow night Hughton and his players had better stand up and be counted and turn on a good performance for the fans. We cannot have another of those embarrassing MK Dons type cup ties. However, to achieve this, our tactics must change and we must go out with only one intention - to win the game and to win it well. If we fail, then apart from anything else it will hardly inspire confidence for the Prem League game against Southampton on Saturday. So a good attacking performance and a win is a necessity on two fronts.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • I expect calling the back room staff a mickey mouse outfit etc.etc. did it for my post

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    goldie

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • We should have one this match but Hughton still plays with one striker up front .That was city down fall last season could not score goals and if he continues to play the same game . City might get relegated this time.Hughton is the wrong manager for Norwich don't wast to much time in sacking him.

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    DOBBY1970

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • we have better players than the team which beat Man Utd, Man City , Arsenal, Spurs last season but most of the play has a familiar ring of the not so good moments of last year unfortunately. I sadly do still miss the lambo era where we had a ` we can beat anyone ` mentality ..now we seem to have a` be careful .....we could get beat by everyone ` mentality.. hmmm, early days i know ..but , warning signs are already apparent !!

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    marcohendy

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Soton will be no pushover; they`ve made a decent start and `splashed the cash` big-time this Summer. Is Bassong injured again? Surely, as TK says, he should`ve been fit to play against Hull. It was a bizarre starting line-up; if he was fit surely Snods is a `must-pick`? In a simplified world there are 3 types of midfielder: Central defensive, central attacking & wide. Howson is no good at central defensive or wide, so it makes sense to.... play him as central attacking!? But no. Get some dosh for Becchio now, the poor devil must be wondering if he can remember how to play. I`m beginning to wonder if we have a bipolar style of management; Hoots goes out and buys round pegs while Bewilderwood & Co blithely `drill` square holes for them. I do trust Hughton to get in right, but another slow start could make for another painful season. We may not get a life-saving run of 22 points from 10 games this time. 50% of last season`s total. That means 22 points from the 28 other games. Good job WBA were on holiday & we could have a bit of fun in the last game of the season. Cardiff have just beaten ManC when the result actually matters.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Dubai, such fun! Queen`s Head Thurlton, memories. I belatedly came back up here to work about 10 years ago and was house hunting on the way in to a pre-arranged late work stint when I suddenly remembered I couldn`t finish my journey without the Reedham ferry! I rang into work from a phone box as I couldn`t get a mobile signal in Hales. I have other memories of that area from way back in the 60s. Navigating from Norwich to Dilham via Beccles & Breydon Water. And the rest - like Haddiscoe Cut. Surreal. And the Subbuteo! Also a good memory, The Locks at Geldeston, still extant as a Green Jack pub.

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, August 27, 2013

  • Yes, it was a very inept display and some of our passing was WOEFUL!!!! Too many players wanting to take shots from outside the box, when there were team mates in better positions, but that's something that can be addressed in training. I'm sure some 'fans' will be calling for 'Hughton out' - but I would say most definitely - NO. Let's put out a strong team against Bury and give the fans something to cheer about.

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    Mr Ed

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • re.wactor malky wanted the job before we appointed ch if nobody can see this clown as another glen roeder I do agree with mike phelan with hucks though ch will get a job Zippos circus need a clown

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • If Mr Hughton has anything in him called attacking football, he would play the Murphy brothers against bury the perfect situation for them and will give the crowd a lift, what are peoples thought? i would think they could be to attacking for Mr Hughtons liking,

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    hooley14

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • hooley14, Hughton has to properly manage the progress of these two promising young players. But at the moment his top priority must be to get his senior squad organised and fired up. Games like this are still worth winning - and a potential route into the Europa League. The Murphys & Carlton Morris on the bench, perhaps? Toffolo too? What I really want to see is Bassong & Hooper up & running. And Pilks. Another point is that loyal fans deserve to see a decent effort from whichever team is on the pitch. No more Luton Moments! That was shockingly bad and difficult to forget.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Very frustrating start to the season, when we really should have 6 points from the first two games if players had (been allowed?) played to their potential. I have to say I cringe at every report that shows NCFC's formation as 4 4 1 1, and think that if we are going to be a successful team and business we cannot afford to wait to make changes in the strategy. If results do not come, a new manager and coaches must in the next few games if we are to survive this season. Relegation at this point would likely be a business disaster.

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    MichiganCanary

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • if ch stays then Norwich will go down so come on board you have backed this clown with your spending now back your loyal fans and get rid of him AND HIS CLUELESS BACKROOM STAFF MALKY ,WITH HUCKS OR DIMATTEO ? ANY BETTER THAN HOOTS WHY DID HOLT LEAVE DIDNT LIKE HOOTS TATICS ENOUGH SAID OTBC

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • mad brewer that is not harsh I speak my mind yes he may be a fne fellow but our fine city needs a much better coaching set up we still need a central defender I suggest a 4-3-1-2 with the wolf and hooper up front fer as holding mid with hoolihan or toivanen as attacking mid if we sign him ?

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    Graham Hemmings

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • My oh my!! 25 million pounds and same problem as last season. If the players we bought can't score against 10 men then it's the manager's fault for buying badly. If the players are good but the system they have to play is ineffective then it's the manager's fault again. CH - it's not the referee, I'm afraid. You need to look at yourself!

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    midlandcanary

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Some of these criticisms of CH & co, are beyond harsh, more like panic fuelled ravings. Perhaps you - and you, know who YOU are - should sit back, take a deep breath, and formulate a more measured, objective response, to a display that was indeed poor, but will not be confined to NCFC over 38 matches. Let us see the response, before shouting'n'screaming like a middle-east mob.

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    Dissaster

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Let's look at it this way.....NCFC board has allowed McNally and Hughton to spend £25 million as an investment in this football clubs future. I would guess that if there hasnt been a significant turn around after about 5 games, the board will oblige Mr McNally to make another courageous business decision, and replace a failing manager with one that can optimise the boards £25M investment, on the field.

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    Algarve Canary

    Monday, August 26, 2013

  • Really Brew, you 'dissappoint' me, even I could see that Eaton was a pun. Next you'll be asking if the Battle of Eaton was fought in Waterloo Park, and I thought I was thick. Excellent analysis btw Diss

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Monday, August 26, 2013

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