Norwich City must not squander West Brom Premier League legacy

Norwich City midfielder Leroy Fer celebrates his match-clinching goal in the Canaries' 2-0 Premier League win over West Brom. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd Norwich City midfielder Leroy Fer celebrates his match-clinching goal in the Canaries' 2-0 Premier League win over West Brom. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd

Monday, December 9, 2013
8:15 AM

Perhaps it takes a Premier League victory forged through adversity to view Norwich City in a more reflective light.

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"Norwich City is not as bad as the circumstantial evidence has suggested on the road for the majority of a testing season, but it will take more afternoons of honest toil and clinical counter-attacking thrust to break the cycle of boom and bust."

Paddy Davitt

Failure to attain a genuine consistency both in results and performances this campaign has exposed Chris Hughton and his players to wildly fluctuating generalisations fuelled by sections of a support who, rightly, demand better given the sizeable summer transfer outlay and two seasons of relative top-flight success.

Record-breaking squad expansion and a third consecutive year in the Premier League is now the framework within which Hughton is judged. The Canaries should be commended for raising their collective sights and embarking on an ambitious phase in their development, but the by-product is a heightened level of expectation and a less forgiving assessment of their productivity.

Norwich City possess a management and a group of players who are better than the slim rations they served up at Manchester City and Liverpool. But when you view those abject showings through a short-termism which pervades in and outside the game the scope for rational judgment narrows and each fresh debilitating setback feels like a crisis; each heavy defeat further confirmation in certain quarters Hughton and his players are not good enough to flourish.

Norwich can defend set-pieces better than they showed at Newcastle or even attack with more potency than they offered at Hull earlier this season. We know this because days like West Brom serve to restore faith and renew belief among a loyal fan base and inside a dressing room where even the strongest characters must have endured bouts of introspection during recent times.

The Canaries are not as bad as the circumstantial evidence has suggested on the road for the majority of a testing season, but it will take more afternoons of honest toil and clinical counter-attacking thrust to break the cycle of boom and bust.

Norwich looked a cohesive defensive unit against West Brom and when it mattered in the game’s defining moments a dynamic threat in the final third.

Gary Hooper and Leroy Fer grabbed another goal apiece and in the process illustrated why Norwich proactively courted both during such an uplifting close season of transfer activity. Players of the calibre and potential of Hooper and Fer were recruited to embellish the core of a squad who required a fresh injection to evolve.

With each passing week and each goal Hooper looks a genuine Premier League performer. The instinctive arc of his run to lose a seasoned international in Baggies’ centre-back Diego Lugano and the instant unleashing of a ferocious shot guided unerringly into the bottom corner of Boaz Myhill’s goal was a predatory act. But Hooper will only prove residually effective if City manage to construct regular supply lines in the shape of creative players like Fer or Jonny Howson centrally and any number of options in wide areas once Norwich’s injury backlog eases.

The Baggies may justifiably argue it was their own limitations which contributed to a priceless Norwich win, but in that regard there was little difference between the way Albion pummelled away relentlessly for little reward and Cardiff’s recent visit to Norfolk, when David Marshall’s obduracy and City’s profligacy combined to unleash new waves of dissatisfaction regarding the listless direction of Norwich’s Premier League season.

On this occasion it was John Ruddy who was manfully defiant and Norwich’s backline who resisted. Michael Turner justified his selection in a contest tailor-made for his unique brand of honest endeavour. Sebastien Bassong patrolled the near post like a watchful sentry as the hosts’ rained crosses into the Canaries’ penalty area in a second half of incessant bombardment.

Those still to be convinced may seek to downplay the scale of Norwich’s achievement on the basis Albion do not possess players of the calibre of Sergio Aguero or Luis Suarez; strikers who have terrorised the Canaries on their travels. Yet only Swansea have scored more goals in the bottom half of the division approaching this festive period. The welcome sight of Shane Long and Saido Berahino on the home bench until half-time was an indisputable bonus that left Steve Clarke open to the same acidic line of questioning which has dogged Hughton for weeks after Norwich managed to inflict a third league defeat in just seven days. Stephane Sessegnon poked wide with Ruddy to beat after a rare chink in City’s central defence and saw another effort strike Martin Olsson’s arm at point blank range inside the penalty box. Few would begrudge Norwich a break or two given the turmoil they have had to endure; fate is just as valuable a commodity as confidence. Armed with the rejuvenating effects of a win harvested in such arduous circumstances Norwich can harness the benefits for upcoming games against Swansea, Sunderland and Fulham.

City’s corresponding trip to this part of the Midlands last season signalled the end of a club record Premier League run and the beginning of a decline that threatened to become terminal. A successful return must form the basis of a sustained search for upward mobility.

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96 comments

  • Have you noticed that some folks contribute in-depth and anlayitical opinions whereas others just post short, rude, personal insults ? How clever some of us are !

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that perhaps some of us need to get out more and make some friends. And before some of you jump on that, the "us" does indeed included me.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • See this is what I don't get. The only reason I'm doleing it out a bit on here is because I've been attacked from the outset from Stew, timbo and the rest of the "don't go to games" crew. I don't understand your insults but I can't talk football with you guys constantly attacking me. The point I was trying to make is having a wife and young child and going home and away every week would really grind for me. I'd want to spend more time with my family. My PERSONAL opinion sorry if it's too much for you to take.

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    ncfc boy

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • WOW some interesting posts!! some insigtful both of which i agree and disagree with to varying levels and some posts that are quite unusual to be polite.... for me like a lot of NCFC fans i talk to there have been some real positives in last couple of seasons like the strength of the squad and signings i think have generally been good (redmond, hooper, Fer, Bassong ) are all surely improvements as we have progressed, and survival last year was mission accomplished so for that lets be grateful, on a cautious note the playing style has been less pleasing on the eye.... so in conclsuion for me well the verdict is out lets support the team and see how we evolve and if change is needed at some point trust the board .

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    OhhhhHuckerrrrby

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • You mean, LYB, a grip on the reality that CH is a waste of space. That we can agree on.

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    Cecil

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Mattias333 I couldn't agree more mate. Well said.

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    Powers1902

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Sorry if you thought that was an insult. I made my point. I tend not to go on long not to the point paragraphs. OTBC

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • That's a really interesting point Pierre.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Would be really nice to come on here and just once, be able to read a comments section that does not dissolve into either childish name calling, or nasty and aggressive bullying. Back to the football. Hoping for continued improvement over the coming gamesweeks. Would be interesting to see who would be considered or bought in in the transfer window - playerwise! - to strengthen squad. Whilst I am happy we seem to have been a bit more aggressive in attack, the midfield and defence need some shoring up.

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    powelld123

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Well, yes we CAN blame the manager when the players don't do what theyre told - thats his job! The question is what's he telling them?

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    Cecil

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Putney, I think what Stew means is that from an etymological perspective (now THERE's a long word...), "anlayitical" is a bit of a motherless child. Or it could have been a typo. Like "Docherty", eh Stew?!

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    Pierre

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • The players do what they're told. Players make mistakes however. Such is the nature of the game.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Mattias333, my sole reason for moaning at those moaning is that they give every impression of having made a firm decision over Chris Hughton that he must go and are now highlighting every possible criticism of the team and manager while neglecting anything positive and laying all of those criticisms at the manager's door with a view to undermining him. Managerial change part way through a season is a nasty step into the unknown even with a club that is in crisis, let alone a club like ours, that isn't in crisis and also gaining momentum. Best way I think I can support the club is, even if I can't convince them otherwise, make sure the positives are highlighted as well so that hysteria doesn't spread beyond this small minority. He's done enough to, at the very least, be left to get on with it and, in an ideal world, supported and not second-guessed all the time.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Mattias.....apart from three or four renditions of 'OTBC' per home game I hardly think that either you or the Lower Barclay can claim to be singing "their hearts out". You are often drowned out and out done by the visiting fans. Sorry!

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Wingers with pace? We had to put fer on the wing. Just shows how injuries are hitting atm. This whole crosses into the box wingers on the right side thing is really old hat. We need quality through balls worked through the middle or worked in from wide. We don't have a grant holt big man striker anymore. Stop thinking old skool!

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    ncfc boy

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • GPL - I agree with you. But you have to be careful - you will now forever be known as an apologist. As if there's something to apologise for. Neither at Newcastle nor at Birmingham did CH prove himself to be a bad manager. Yet, after our highest league finish in I don't know how long last season and then a bunch of new signings not instantly gelling and smashing NCFC up to the Champions League places so far this season, he must be a terrible manager. My last word on this: from the moment it's clear that CH has lost the dressing room, I will be the first to say he should go. But it is clear that he hasn't lost the dressing room. So, I think we should leave him alone for a bit to let him (and the board) do their job properly and see where we are in a few months time. You never know, a few people may even start to change their mind and become apologists too...

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    PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Mattias - I'm not sure I follow the logic in saying that "those who moan at those moaning only add to the problems"...what does that mean? I am one of those who have been trying to counter the persistent "CH out"\"moaning" on these boards. I'm not sure I'm making any problems worse, am I? For what it's worth, my problem with the persistent moaning is how much is being levelled at CH. Plenty of other teams (particularly away from home) have no-shows now and again. Do their fans perpetually cry out for the manager to be sacked? Take Saturday for example - a lot of the complaints have been how many changes WBA had. Sure, they had a bunch of chances, but the vast majority of those came from mistakes. The one where they were clean through was freak and both Turner and Bassong were flat on their feet. I don't see how CH can be blamed for individual errors. These are highly paid professionals and I think, sometimes, the fans ire on these pages might, if you feel the need to complain, be better directed at some of the players who are not performing. I, for one, think it is far too easy to just blame CH. Anyway, did you really expect us to be blowing away teams at this level? I long for the days where a battling away performance ending in a 2 goal margin of victory was met with glee by our fans. A lot of the postings at the moment just sound like their coming from people who have been spoilt.

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    PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • I'd just like to qualify the 'players make mistakes' bit by saying managers also make mistakes and Hughton is no exception. I would possibly even question his approach over one or two things myself if I dared open my mouth on it in the fear that one of the 'Hughton Out' brigade would seize on it as something to hit him over the head with for the rest of the season. He's not the only manager who makes mistakes. Paul Lambert, José Morinho, or any other manager in the world also make them. Just start having some realism for goodness sake and recognise progress for what it is.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • I've said it here before. If we sat round a table for a chat there would be many things we agreed on. So if a manager gives a player his instructions and he doesn't do it. Its still the managers fault. Have you ever been a manager?

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • No Cecil. The two camps are those who have a decent grip on reality and base their expectations on them and people like you.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • I guess my public demands answers. The fact is I have never been banned from here, I just stopped commenting because of this Stew numpty. He seems a little confused and is nothing short of a horrendous Norwich fan. I do continue to read the comments and it's interesting Stew has kept up all the "tea lady" rubbish the whole way through my absence. Any new commenter that doesn't follow his brain damaged ways is instantly accused of being me. If he didn't live thousands of miles away cut off from the rest of the Norwich community I would seriously ask Archant for his details and get a restraining order in place. The guy is clearly obsessed with me. I'm a bloke in my mid twenties btw, just for clarification. I've tried to tell him that several times but he's not having it. Clearly "Another" aspect to his obsession towards me. I may continue to post on here, I may not. Probably not. I just want you all to know that I started on this site with good intentions and it was all ruined by him. I see even Brewer has given up and scarpered. You want this little weird corner of the net Stew? Take it. Doesn't mean your any less irrelevant to Norwich city because that is what you are. Irrelevent. Your opinion counts for zip. OTBC.

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    Steady On

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Not having a go mate but if I had a wife and 2 kids I'd find it hard to go home and away every week.

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    ncfc boy

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • mjc75, I'm glad to hear what you say about the silly insults (couldn't agree more, in fact), but I can't agree with your comments about CH's career pre-City. I lived in Newcastle for over 20 years, as a result of which they are my second favourite team and I follow them fairly closely. In his first season there CH weeded out the baddies in the dressing room and won the Championship by a street; then in Newcastle's first season back in the Prem he took them into the top half of the table before being unfairly sacked by Mike Ashley - a decision which both fans and players protested about. Then at Birmingham he took a fairly average cash-strapped team (they'e done absolutely nothing since he left) into the play-offs and the knock out rounds of the Europa League. Not a success? Then you say he has been given more money than any other City manager - correct. But compared to the other teams in the Prem, very little. Last season 2012-13 City spent less on wages and transfers than any club in the Prem apart from Reading (who were relegated) and yet still finished eleventh. In the current form table (last six games) City are nineth, despite the two tonkings by Man City and Liverpool and the defeat at Newcastle (who are top on current form). And this in spite of a formidable injury list. In fact so far this season we've played all the current top seven in the Prem, five of them away. Don't you think that in the light of all this, you should perhaps reassess your judgement of Chris Hughton?

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    Johnny Gavin Lives

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • I seem to recall that both our goals were the result of our winger

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    leslie cater

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • ..Straight to the point eh! Dubai!....like a camel driver who's got the hump!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Nastiness and belligerence often baffle me, especially when it's directed at a manager that oversaw a team that finished in 11th last season and has us three points away from the top ten right now. I agree OhhhhHuckerby, lets question and debate by all means, without trying to put a one-sided case for the manager's dismissal every sentence and leave the strategic judgements over who should manage the club to the board.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Pierre, I think you make good points. There is moronic fringe who want to throw the baby out out with bathwater everytime results don't go our way. We are holding our own and if we are realistic we know that the chances of survival in the PL are better than most. There are probably 11 teams with a chance of relegation - that means 8 will survive and so far, our progress against those other 10 ten teams has been reasonable. We have a strengthened squad that still needs to hit the highnotes and a few good new signings that are starting to prove their value. What is disappointing is when the pant wetters, trolls, squeaky wheels and wind-up merchants start spouting their doomsday predictions and then start insulting eachother. Real supporters get behind the team through thick and thin ! OTBC

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Much appreciated Powers. Really gets my goat when someone starts pulling the "real fans support there team through thick and thin". We Still do support the team through thick an thin. Were also entitled to our opinion as well when things are clearly going wrong. Those who moan at those moaning only add to the problems. They should try following ncfc over all of the country. Try going to Newcastle for an utter no show and then times that by all the other no shows and pounds spent and see if your not a little bit wound up. Its people like that who just make the divide a bit bigger between supporters. Long as the team wins and heads in the right direction we will all be happy!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Attacking Football with the players brimming with confidence.I believe that most supporters are in favour!

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    Albert Cooper

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • ….what on earth woke you up?...but then you were sitting at the computer after writing that acceptable comment under one of your other names..... Drop the other names and let us have just one nasty to deal with over Christmas!.....and Chrissy might just put some thing nice in your stocking for a change!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • All excellent posts here today. I can't add much to whats been said except to say. No team in the EPL has a divine right to win. Its very difficult. Ask Man U ;-)

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • …...Sobered up now!.....Why can't you go back to calling yourself Steady On.... if you had any back bone, you wouldn't have to hide behind all these other names...you are doing nothing more than letting down all the decent females who want to join in with supporting our Club....Even Chrissy must be embarrassed by your constant crawling....can't wonder he wears brown shoes!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • That's obviously not what i mean. If you're trying to be witty Cecil I'm afraid you're only half way there.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Hoopers was a pass through from fer in the middle of the park. Fers was a break and he cut int the winger. Redmond helped in the build up but not in a blast down the wing type way

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    ncfc boy

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Steely Dan, I did mention Fox. As for the others, I was mainly trying to give a sampling from those generations. I also missed out players like Phelan and Townsend as well, but yes Megson and Ekoku were very good players for us at the time. Sharky, I take your point that the EPL is a very different place now, but I am unsure that the quality is much better now. Defending is certainly worse, for example. I think that many of the players I mentioned would have done very well in todays' game. However, it is so much harder for British players to come through the ranks now as even many of the academies are full of foreign talent. As for Eadie, he was very unlucky not to be capped by England as he got injured on the occasions he made the squad.

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    Preston Canary

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Steely Dan, I am sorry to say you are right. But it seems to me since CH's arrival we have sunk even lower - in entertainment value that is.

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    Cecil

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Sharky , it was the support your team bit , but if no offence was intended then I apologise . We are all green and yellow at heart and want only the best for our team , we just have different ideas about how to get there .

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    mjc75

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Nice comment Preston. I would take you to task about Eadie as I never rated him that much. As I've said before on here Sutton was sold in 1995 for a British record fee which in today's prices would be £40 to £50 million. Yet some on here think Van Wolfswinkel the superior player. You missed out Megson, Fox and Ekoku who were singled out by the Inter manager as crucial to City's style of play.

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    Steely Dan

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Spot on JG. I hope everyone reads your post. OTBC

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • A two nil away win at this level should be something to be thankful and cheerful for. Our friend Mattias333 travelled to WBA and watched City win - does it get much better than this on our away travels in the PL ? The team sure have a great away following and despite some of the away-day disappointments this season, they still turn out in their thousands many miles from home. If these travelling supporters were unhappy with the team, the performances, the management, the tactics - do you think they would travel too every away game in their hoardes ? Of course not, they would vote with their feet and stay at home. Fortunately, their loyalty has been repaid with wins at Stoke and WBA - I am sure that these results make all their efforts and sacrifices worth while. Lets harness this success and look forward to more points on the road !!

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • OTBC! Right, beddy byes.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • A two nil away win at this level should be something to be thankful and cheerful for. Our friend Mattias333 travelled to WBA and watched City win - does it get much better than this on our away travels in the PL ? The team sure have a great away following and despite some of the away-day disappointments this season, they still turn out in their thousands many miles from home. If these travelling supporters were unhappy with the team, the performances, the management, the tactics - do you think they would travel too every away game in their hoardes ? Of course not, they would vote with their feet and stay at home. Fortunately, their loyalty has been repaid with wins at Stoke and WBA - I am sure that these results make all their efforts and sacrifices worth while. Lets harness this success and look forward to more points on the road !!

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Of course, you're all wrong, the best player was Alexander Kay, and the best manager John Bowman, but if you have to be pedantic and insist on the modern era, then the best player was definitely Chris Sutton. As a person, possibly a disagreeable fellow, but as a player, stood head and shoulders above the rest, and sometimes quite literally, and after him, the wonderful Ron Davies, on whom the fantasy 'Roy of the Rovers' was based, for young men of a certain age, such an eloquent man, who is sadly no longer amongst us

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    Bill Punton's bald patch

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Johnny , in short no . My view is that he is not the man to take us forward , I respect your view but I have to stick to my guns , as for the need to compare us with other clubs spending , well they have a budget just as we do but the difference is I'm only interested in ours . Whether I'm right or wrong is neither here nor there , the board will decide what to do and I will still be here wanting the best for my team , whether he stays or goes not my decision , but my opinion remains the same .

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    mjc75

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • LYB, I have no problem with him making mistakes, but the reason why I agree with MJC is that he doesn't seem to learn from them. IMO, I feel that our poor away displays are a result of the negative tactics and mindset that he fostered last season. I will never hope for a bad result to get rid of him, but neither do I believe that he can take us forwards. That said, I would love for him to prove me wrong in the coming matches.

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    Preston Canary

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • A two nil away win at this level should be something to be thankful and cheerful for. Our friend Mattias333 travelled to WBA and watched City win - does it get much better than this on our away travels in the PL ? The team sure have a great away following and despite some of the away-day disappointments this season, they still turn out in their thousands many miles from home. If these travelling supporters were unhappy with the team, the performances, the management, the tactics - do you think they would travel too every away game in their hoardes ? Of course not, they would vote with their feet and stay at home. Fortunately, their loyalty has been repaid with wins at Stoke and WBA - I am sure that these results make all their efforts and sacrifices worth while. Lets harness this success and look forward to more points on the road !!

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    Dubai Canary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • See Stews up to his usual behavior. Hows that head injury coming along? Still illegally streaming games then complaining when we win?

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    Steady On

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • That was a good result just show what can happen when you have wingers with pace that can run at and past defenders instead of ones that only know sideways and backwards,just need the end product to be better from them then our strikers will score

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    leslie cater

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • One area I can't agree with you though, MJC, is in your statement that this is one of the most talented we have ever had. For me it is not comparable to the Stringer, Walker teams of the late 80's and early 90's. Others may well go further back in time than I can, but for me none of the back four would replace the like of Bowen, Culverhouse, Butterworth, Linighan or Newman. Gunn was a better keeper than Ruddy is at the moment. As for midfield, I can't remember a better passer of a ball than Crook. Goss scored some of the best goals we have seen. Then there were wingers like Eadie, Phillips, Gordon and Fox. Phillips I would put on a par with Pilks, and I would throw Snodgrass into that mix too, but Eadie was simply the best player I have seen in Norwich shirt. Up front we had the likes of Robins and Sutton. Now, I will give you the fact that Hooper and the Wolf may eclipse their achievements, but don't forget that those teams under Stringer and Walker got to two FA Cup Semi finals, a third placed finish in the league (I think we may also have got fourth before that as well), and a European run which included knocking out Bayern Munich. Success is relative, but until this current crop can comfortably finish in the top half and give us the cup run that we have been starved of, I am not going to laud their talents as highly as saying that they are among the best we have had. That only speaks of the paucity of teams of recent times.

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    Preston Canary

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Bill I bow to your logic , and just imagine what we could achieve with Roy Race up front , we would be unstoppable !

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    mjc75

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Better to be halfway there, LYB, than never to start out.

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    Cecil

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • What I meant by those moaning at those moaning is....its like they want an argument. If fans have an issue with something they will voice. Works both ways as football is all about opinions but saying things like "real fans support through thick and thin" was what got me because if anything those moaning are the ones who really passionately get behind the teams when they need us. Trying to irk them with comments like that only makes the divide between the two parties larger. That was what I meant. Apologies if taken wrongly of course. For me I said it would end up like this the day we appointed Hoots. I warned that most fans over time would complain of the defensive nature of the tactics. Dont bother me whether were gung ho or defensive...what matters to me is results on the pitch. As a home and away fan the cost of following the club every week is literally unthinkable but thats my choice as it is others. That does no mean were entitled to victory after victory. However it isn't the occassional no show we've been treated to sadly. The last 12 months has been a horrid, torrid affair. Thats why people have complain. I keep seeing the same people say "oh the bed weters"....or "those throwing there toys out there pram" being thrown around. Not that at all in most cases. Its just those whose opinion is different to theres. I backed Hughton for a heck of a long time but even I had a breaking point. Back to original gripe though, just because I dont agree with Hughton an how the clubs been declining in the last 12 months does not mean I will stop supporting them. Im still there through thick and thin emptying my bank account into theres and singing my heart out. Whether you can hear us or not, were there, clapping and singing from start to finish. The players appreciate it and thats why we get so much extra appreciation from them whether it be from an extra few seconds at the end of the game or via twitter or what ever. End of the day we all want to same thing and thats the club to do well!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • My viewpoint on Chris Hughton is this :- A genuine and decent man without doubt , but he is simply not as good as some would have me believe . He was not a roaring success at either Newcastle or Birmingham , he has been given more money than any other manager of our club , ever . He looks composed when things are going well , and totally lost and bereft of ideas when things are not . I haven't seen an improvement and the constant calls for allowing him more time cannot be maintained , there is only so much time available . The squad as it is , is possibly the most talented that we've ever had . A higher proportion of internationals than at anytime previous . But the intermittent decent performances are far outweighed by mediocre and shambolic displays . The nature of this game that we all love , is that as the manager the buck stops with him , he has to accept the criticism as much as the plaudits . Have I been too harsh on him , sometimes maybe , but I cannot see our club progressing and moving forward whilst he is in charge , that is my view . This season has produced some very strange results , but not from us . We always seem to be the side reacting to what the opposition are doing , about time we forced our will on a game . Apologies for the sermon , and welcome back Steady On .

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    mjc75

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • By the way Cecil, why do you think it's reasonable for you to lay blame for all undesirable things at his door while refusing to give him any credit for successes?

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Is that a wind up Dubai ?

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    Lobbo

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Hear Hear Dubai! I get really fed up with the negativity on here some times, to the point where finding positive comments actually make me smile - after checking they haven't posted on the wrong board by mistake. Not too bad a job Saturday - defence still looks a bit too porous but hopefully if Snoddy and RvW come back into contention they wont be under quite so much pressure.

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    powelld123

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Matthias I for one have no problem with harsh criticism of CH so long as it comes from someone - and I would certainly include you in this - keeps an open mind on the matter. I didn't enjoy the Man City result any more than you did! But it remains in my mind (a) that CH had an effective attacking philosophy at NUFC, then Birmingham and (b) that a whole bunch of bottom half Prem fans are concerned at their own team'smanager's performance and analysing this as poor management! And that includes Villa!

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    Pierre

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Bill, I only said that he was the best player in a Norwich shirt that I had seen. Sutton was sold too early for me to grant him that title, plus Eadie was the type of player that I like. As for Davies, did he have a rocket like Racey??

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    Preston Canary

    Wednesday, December 11, 2013

  • West Brom effectively played with 4 strikers from half-time but still didnt manage to find the net. Therefore how can you, powelld123, say that our defence was porous? We looked a much tighter and organised unit at the back. Ruddy was on top of his game too; and as for Fer, Redmond, and Hooper, well they were simply brilliant.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Well said Mattias ! Excellent + perceptive posting. PS: Why DOESN'T it surprise me that NCFC girl hasn't got a wife + kids ??? LOL!

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    Timbo

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Completely agree with Sharky on this. mjc75, your position on spending is completely unreasonable. It was indeed our biggest spending spree ever and the value of our squad has gone up to an average of £3.2m per player. The cheapest of the top 10 most expensive teams is Southampton on £4.2m. Now money isn't absolutely everything, but it's a major factor. You're insisting on judging Hughton on stupidly high standards. Why, I have no idea.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • The season has reached the stage where it is worth noting that CH has picked up 13 points from 18 against clubs in the bottom half of the table, the dropped points being 2 games where we attacked and possessed but did not score. That statistic qseems to me a source of optimism for our final placing, especially since we have played all but one of the top ten and have three in the bottom half to play before half-time.

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    Pierre

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • …..There are some weird souls about Dubai....'Know alls' and 'Know Sod alls'....There are some that use big words but can't spell them!..... 2 out of 3 would be average!.....Know what I mean?.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • In talking with mates this morning regarding the game how ironic it was to hear 'His record since Christmas last year is dreadful, only 7 wins. He's clueless when it comes to tactics, often only playing with one up front, when we should be playing with 2. We are conceding too many goals, and not scoring nearly enough. When you think how much money he spent in the summer, he's had his chance, he has to go now'. Sound familiar? Yes, that's right, they were West Brom fans talking about Steve Clarke.

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    General Norwich

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Sharky , nothing anybody says or types will ever stop me supporting my team . I presented my view without insults or childish comments , it is after all my view . Present your view in the same manner instead of sniping , conversation is good for the soul . If you disagree with my viewpoint then present your own :-)

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    mjc75

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • With regards to multi millionaire backers you are spot on , I suppose we should be thankful that we haven't been turned into a rich mans toy , always worried that he'll get bored and pull the plug . As for the rest , only time will tell . Right , got to sleep now , up early for work . I've enjoyed the discussion , first for a while now :-) OTBC

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    mjc75

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • DC, I am one of those who tends to go to more away games than home, and what made me go to Newcastle a couple of weeks ago was more optimism and the chance to meet up with mates rather than belief in the manager's tactics away from home. I am not calling for the manager's head - I want him to do well - but my concern is based on tactics and a style of play that was present last season as well. There were too many games where it was like watching paint dry. My main concern is that we rely on others being worse than us, rather than being positive and organised in our performances. Hughton's strength is organising the defence and our goal difference is one of the worst in the division. My lack of faith in Hughton is more that I do not believe he is taking us forwards.

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    Preston Canary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Oh dont give me the "real fans will be there through thick and thin". For your information I go home and blooming away following NCFC making myself virtually skint despite having a missus and 2 year old son to provide for. I sit in the lower barclay and myself and others who have voiced disapproval of the last 12 months sing are blooming hearts out week in week out while others who claim to be so passionate sit silently only opening there mouths to voice an opinion through a keyboard! We still get behind the team week in week out. Just because we have an opinion (which we are more than entitled to!!!!) does not mean we stop supporting the team. I supported Hughton for alot longer than some fair enough but can totally see why he has got peoples backs up. Quite valid problems. Said it weeks ago that it will need results and fast to stop this snowballing further out of control. Hes done himself no harm with the win saturday however it came. Do not for a second though try a make a greater divide by claiming "Real supporters get behind the team through thick and thin" just because we've voiced and opinion and dont sit there accepting less than average. Nobody wants the club to fail! Everyone just wants us to do well!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Well, yes we CAN blame the manager when the players don't do what theyre told - thats his job! The question is what's he telling them?

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    Cecil

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • LYB, you have a point there. The away win at the Hawthorns was a success, and to be fair if I blame CH for our failures I ought to praise him for our successes. If there were enough successes I'd have to change my mind about him. But there arent and I havent. I am not though a prophet of doom. We may well stay up this season even with Hughton in charge because it looks like there will be at least three teams worse than we are. And if that is all you want then, yeah, stick with CH. But I want to see Norwich playing some great football. I am not seeing that, I think I shan't see it while he's the boss, and so I want him to go.

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    Cecil

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Pierre - totally agree with you on your points. Mattias - I understand where you're coming from - but - and here's the thing - the people shouting the loudest about wanting CH all, and without fail, all think they are in the majority. The use of phrases like "most fans" etc etc. I take a little umbridge with that as I'm not sure it is the majority of fans that want him out. Certainly they are the loudest on these pages - but what really gets me is that people shout and rant about how bad it is and claim they are in the majority and state most of their "issues" with the team as absolute fact. But they are not fact - they are opinion (e.g. your comment below about City being in decline for the past 12 months. To my mind, on any objective basis, the club have continued an upward track over the last 12 months). And then when people state a differing opinion, the people who have been most vocal in their criticism (mostly stated as fact) then revert to saying they are entiteld to their opinion and the people voicing an alternative opinion are trying to stiffle them. Whatever, I'm done with these boards for the time being. Either until CH is finally hounded out and ousted or until things pick up to the point of his tenure being a non-issue. Unfortunately, no matter how well he does I think the only way it will stop now is when he does finally leave. And, as we're such a big club, there will be a long list of proven managers just waiting to take his place and do so much better. Or will there? Be careful what you wish for. It's weird now that, looking back, my favourite thing about PLs tenure was that these pages were filled with true football discussion and optimism. Now, no matter what the story, they just divulge into a CH bashing\defending (depending on what side of the fence you sit on). It's a real shame that.

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    PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Oh give over!! We do not stop from start to finish. Apologies if you cant hear but that does not subtract from my statement that were behind the boys from start to finish. No different from going to Villa and the Holte end stating there the loudest fans in the league and us at the other end saying we cant hear them. An to be fair OTBC is the only song the whole stadium sings. Couldnt sit on my hands for 90mins!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • DJ , sometimes we have to add a little clarity , perspective if you will . We always seem to end up typing lumps out of each other , resorting to name calling and insults , and yes I include myself in that . But ultimately , we all want the same thing , success for our club .

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    mjc75

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • mjc well put. That probably sums up many of our opinions - certainly mine. 11th place imo flattered us last season given with 2 games to go we were still at risk of going down.

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    DJ_FRAMBOISE

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • "...how many "chances" WBA had..."

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    PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • PC I saw all the players you listed. Great players at the time. However you cannot compere the leagues in those days with today's EPL. We have world class players from all over the world here now. In the past there were just a few. OTBC

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    sharky

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • mjc75. There are many managers in the EPL that are in the same situation. Get use to what we have and start supporting your team. Stew or is it Brew or lobbo or timbo. Sorry but you have gone too far now. While at times you can be quite agreeable. Others you cant help but insult, if they don't agree with you.

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Hear what you say mjc75, but the fact is that a lot of the clubs of a similar size to City in the Prem are backed by multi-millionaires - Fulham, Southampton, Hull and Cardiff, for example - so I don't think you can ignore that, as much as you'd like to. One reason that I'm backing Hughton is that I don't think he could have bought a better bunch of players for the money, and in terms of points for pounds spent, I reckon that City are more than punching their weight.

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    Johnny Gavin Lives

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Incidentally, this 'terrible' season we could potentially be in 10th place at the end of the weekend if we beat Swansea, Man U beat Villa, and Stoke draw with Hull. We're at home, Swansea have drawn with Hull tonight and our lads have won three in the last five, so how about putting your fatuous vendetta vendetta against the manager to one side and actually throwing a few positive vibes the team's way?

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Steady - good to have you back. Like you I would be happy to see the Brewer back as well.

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    Steely Dan

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • ….thanks for your concern about my head injury Steady On...the problem is with my brain1... I was offered to have a cabbage transplanted in....like the one you have!.... but they wanted to do the face as well....and at that point I decided against it...all the sack races I've been in, I've never felt the need to put the sack over my head....can't wonder you got your legs in a muddle!.....On the subject of Football....there is nothing illegal about surfing the web!!!!.....and I complain MUCH MUCH MORE than City win.... so get your facts right!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • There are things we can blame the manager for. Spending, Team selection, Late substitutions. When they get on the field of play can we blame the manager when his team doesn't do what they are told. For instance we have a great goalkeeper, that at times doesn't command his six yard box. Who do we put the blame for that ? In the game we love at times it happens. Finally we have a young manager, given the time to build something here. Let him do it. Surely you have seen what happens to many other clubs for ever changing the manager. Clearly it will not work. Get use to it ...please.

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • …...Exactly Pi arrse! ...I make spelling mistakes quite often but, then I'm a stew pydsodd...I am aware of that... and allowances have to be made!.....I must point out to you that 'THERES' not a particularly long word...six letters at the most!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • GPL - I agree with you. But you have to be careful - you will now forever be known as an apologist. As if there's something to apologise for. Neither at Newcastle nor at Birmingham did CH prove himself to be a bad manager. Yet, after our highest league finish in I don't know how long last season and then a bunch of new signings not instantly gelling and smashing NCFC up to the Champions League places so far this season, he must be a terrible manager. My last word on this: from the moment it's clear that CH has lost the dressing room, I will be the first to say he should go. But it is clear that he hasn't lost the dressing room. So, I think we should leave him alone for a bit to let him (and the board) do their job properly and see where we are in a few months time. You never know, a few people may even start to change their mind and become apologists too...

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    PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • pierre - you cant leave these boards. CH needs your support because i for one think he is doing an excellent job and it will get better in the coming months. i have said from the start that this team is vasltly improved on last year and they have not fully gelled yet. The CH doubter will have a long wait for his sacking because the board believe in him and i for one think we will finish around 10th or 11th this year again

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    GPL

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Seems we fall into two camps. Those who support Chris Hughton and therefore want to keep him. And those who support Norwich City and therefore want to get rid of him. I support Norwich City.

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    Cecil

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • Timbo - your post is harsh. And unreasonable. Haven't I seen posts on here from you criticising people for taking personal potshots at people? You should apologise. Then we should all start getting along. I mean, seriously, we're in the Premier League, we've won 3 of our last 5 games, we're sitting (for the moment) relatively comfortably above the relegation zone, we have a few new signings who (in my opinion) are genuinely exciting (Fer, Redmond), and we have some games coming up that we should all see as winable. Opinion, Fact or otherwise, I think sometimes all the anti-negatrolls are really trying to say is: "have some perspective and enjoy the progress the club has made". Whether you are convinced of it or not, it is not fact or a foregone conclusion that we will go down this season with CH in charge - indeed, on form this season we are on course to stay up. So where does this absolute conviction that CH is terrible for this club really come from and how are you all so sure of it?

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    PutneyCanary

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Totally agree night night

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Cecil - you have to go back close to 20 years since NCFC played great football. I remember a 4 nil away win at Leeds and a 5 one win at Everton. Since then City's reputation for playing attractive football has not been justified. We have all sat through some dire football since then and its not likely to change soon.

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    Steely Dan

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • …..Steady On!....Your nastiness continues! You try to convince me that all these other characters are not you.....I feel sorry for you for having to resort to all these other names..each one saying in the same manner all the same words that would pass out of your mouth...You have NO public on here demanding your return under your name...you would not stop your vitriol voluntary, or because of anything I have said...quite the opposite!...I am not a Norwich Fan-atic anymore, but I do watch on the Internet and TV all of the matches that they are involved in, and am able to offer a wider perspective of the way things have evolved over the last 60 years, than someone who moved to this City 18 months ago!...I find it hard to believe that a 25 year old male. same age as Chrissy's son, could be so nasty and belligerent towards others for very little reason without having a mental problem or closer involvement of some sort....I also believe young person that you would not talk to your granddad in such a way!.....I live in Sprowston, and have done since birth.....Archant have my details, and if you wish to pursue anything with them, on a tit for tat basis, go ahead!...I am NOT obsessed with you in any way shape or form....I am disgusted with you and you parents must feel like wise!...and the intentions you had were merely in defence of the man you so admired when you were at Newcastle together.....Please leave and take your band of 'brothers 'with you.....brown shoes and all!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • PutneyCanary I could simply say ditto ...well said :)

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    Gary Cockaday

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Preston , I grew up watching the players you mention and as a team they were streets ahead . They played for each other , always giving 110% for the cause . But my meaning was that as individuals our current crop are a step up , that is not to say that our highly paid boys in green and yellow couldn't learn a thing or two from the sides of Stringer & Walker . In response to LYB , I have no interest in the finances of other clubs . For the first time a manager of our club was given almost free reign in the transfer market . We've spent big , by our own standards anyway , and we are yet to see any real improvement . I want to make it clear that I have no personal axe to grind with CH , I only want to see the club that I love succeed , and in my humble and by no means expert opinion CH is not that man . Similar point , Sharky said that if we sat around a table we would probably agree on a lot of things , he's right , why , because we are all passionate about NCFC . Who knows , if we can get on a run of wins and head into the new year in a better position , maybe my view could be swayed , but I should warn you I'm a stubborn sod at the best of times :-)

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    mjc75

    Tuesday, December 10, 2013

  • So it would appear that the happy clappers are just that. I, like most of us are pleased with scraping three points away (a whole 4 wins in 28 attempts remember), but it only papers over the gaping cracks. That was a rope a dope performance against a side who even though they were poor, were still better than us for most of the game. Hughton, and particularly his so called coaching team are not up to this (or any other Prem clubs) job. I am a Canary fan through and through, which is why I will never be a fan of the regime that has spoiled everything that was achieved in the previous three years

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    oldtimer

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • Yes, Saturday's result is a cause for celebration but you have to balance it against all the matches in which weve been dire and CH has been clueless and out of his depth. He's been with us long enough to have got better at the job and he hasnt. He is an uninspired manager who has produced a team that is uninspired. Not a 'moan', an observation.

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    Cecil

    Monday, December 9, 2013

  • COME ON YOU YELLOWS ;-)

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    sharky

    Monday, December 9, 2013

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