Update: £148.5m Norwich Northern Distributor Road would be ‘biggest piece of environmental destruction yet seen in Norfolk’ planning inquiry told

Members of the public study the latest plans for the NDR. Picture: Denise Bradley Members of the public study the latest plans for the NDR. Picture: Denise Bradley

Tuesday, July 22, 2014
1:20 PM

A proposed £148.5m road to the north of Norwich would be “the biggest piece of environmental destruction yet seen in Norfolk”, it was claimed at a public hearing today.

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Objectors to the Norwich Northern Distributor Road made their views known in front of a team of planning inspectors at Norwich’s Assembly House.

The inspectors have been hearing evidence and representations which will help them decide whether they think the scheme should go ahead.

Norfolk County Council wants to build the 19.5km road from the A47 at Postwick in the east of the city to the A1067 Fakenham Road to the north-west.

The council says it will improve journey times, stop rat-running and congestion and bring an economic boost.

But at today’s hearing, which was preceded by a protest outside the Theatre Street venue, a succession of critics put their case against the road.

Among them was Andrew Cawdron, who lives in Thorpe End. He raised concerns about the council’s claims over noise from the road and said it would “degrade” the quality of life for people in the area.

He said: “My concern is that the evidence presented is sometimes contradictory and is slanted in favour of the NDR, despite some of its own evidence being to the contrary.

“It is difficult to know what to believe, other than that we are on the verge of the biggest piece of environmental destruction yet seen in Norfolk, and I must oppose it.”

Katy Jones, from the Campaign to Protect Rural England, questioned the council’s justification for the road and said the “vast majority” of the public do not want the road.

She warned it would lead to rat running in places such as Costessey, while leading to development in the countryside.

She said: “We are massively concerned about the impact on the countryside and on public access to it.

“But it all comes down to why on earth do we need this road? Is this road what is necessary for Norfolk?”

Rupert Read, former Norwich city councillor and the national Green Party spokesman on transport, said the planning for the road had stymied alternative proposals and he also criticised the consultation process as being skewed in getting answers in favour of the road.

He added: “It would increase the level of carbon emissions in Norfolk and it would be profoundly irresponsible to our descendants to allow this road to go ahead.”

And Denise Carlo, a Green city councillor, speaking on behalf of the Norwich and Norfolk Transport Action Group, said the road would not reduce traffic, but generate more of it.

She said if the council was really interested in reducing traffic, it would be better off improving radial bus routes in and out of the city, such as in Sprowston Road and Wroxham Road.

The panel of inspectors are dealing with much of the issue through written submissions, but today saw the first of four open hearings this week.

Further hearings, focusing on specific issues, are scheduled for September, while there would also be hearings over land and property which would need to be compulsory purchased for the road to go ahead The inspectors have to complete their examination by December and then have three months to make a recommendation.

The transport secretary would then have three months to decide what to do, although there is the power to award an extension.

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85 comments

  • Interesting comment Ingo re censorship. I have recently sent 3 letters to EDP criticising NDR and none have been published. Main points:- 1) Norwich airport will never grow to any extent because of location. Most of the large local supermarkets already have significantly daily traffic turnover than the airport will ever see. 2) In view of the crazy current land prices no house will be available for less than £200k - so no help for first time buyers. 3) If God forbid, that 20000 houses are built, most of the occupants will head for Norwich. A northern by-pass will be of little use to them. 4) The present traffic flow problem is from the A47 at Longwater, but there are no plans to provide a link. The EDP letters page seems to mainly act as a mouthpiece for Jo Rust the prospective Labour candidate !!!!

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    Old Norfolk Boy

    Sunday, July 27, 2014

  • Good to see old Daisy in NIMBY mode! Different when the boot is on the other foot is it not!! Well unlike you Daisy I, one of the thousands of objectors against the incinerator on numerous grounds including importantly financial, am not a NIMBY and have objected strongly, on valid material considerations, to the NDR via the planning inspectorate. I regret helping you personally to oppose this road but unfortunately my concerns are for the best interests of Norfolk, its financial stability and the health and well being of people regardless of where they live - with that is the exception of a few who have taken every opportunity they could to dismiss all objectors to the incinerator as NIMBYs.

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, July 26, 2014

  • As others have said the proposal is essentially for a residential service road not a bypass. The taxpayer is being suckered into paying for inadequate infrastructure that will benefit certain developers but not the region in general. And the hearing is a waste of time and money because the outcome is a forgone conclusion.

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    Cyril the Canary

    Friday, July 25, 2014

  • The EDP is heavily censorin g positive suggestions on this and the burning of waste thread. Despicable establishment bias, bring on regulation now.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Friday, July 25, 2014

  • Jonno65 - there's a big difference between this road and the southern bypass. The latter took the traffic out of Norwich and allowed free flow from Yarmouth through to Kings Lynn without having to go into Norwich (as with the Dereham and Swaffham bypasses that all linked up). The Northern bypass isn't for that benefit - there's no where near the same level of traffic, either now or projected into the future. Plus, it's also the difference between the types of road. The southern bypass is dual carriageway with slip roads to major roads. The northern will be single carriageway with roundabouts. The only purpose that serves is to feed estates. Norfolk is out of the way to get factories, so where will the jobs come from for all the estates that are already being talked about by the councils? They say that they'll create x-thousand jobs, but they don't say how those jobs will be created. Only the temporary jobs for the construction of the estates. Once they're in place, where will people work? They'll have to travel outside of the county to find anything, so why would they live to the north of Norwich? The job growth is currently projected to be along the A11 corridor, not North Norfolk. Relatively few people will be affected by the road itself (and I sympathize with those affected), but it's the money being spent on a cynical ploy to build lego estates that people find hard to accept. Or, at least, that's what people say to me about it. I've found very few who are looking forward to the new road, or think that it'll do the area any real benefit. The money would have been better spent on improving the Acle Straight and other safety improvements on the A47 to cut the awful death toll. But, what's a few deaths compared to the profits of the housing developers?

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Friday, July 25, 2014

  • I do find it great that everybody comes up with evidence that supports their opinions. This is a hot discussion point all around Norwich but I've found a large majority support it - tell me Katy Jones where do you get your figures from? I can remember the same moaning minis harping on about the southern bypass - I'm not sure I'd go as far to say it's a thing of beauty but I do know that there is more wildlife and fauna in the embankments and hedgerows created by the construction of the road than the open fields that preceded it. The same will come of the NDR. We're not building this for today's needs we're building for our Children's and Grandchildren's - Norwich needs this road and needs it quickly. The new homes will come what ever, factories and industrial units will come whatever so NCC please just get on with it and stop wasting the mass's money on the minority. You've given these serial whingers too much of a voice and we may just start to lose faith in you and all start moaning - heavens above!

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    Jonno65

    Friday, July 25, 2014

  • Why is assumed that thousands of houses will be built? I thought this was about a new road for heaven's sake. What is wrong with having flyovers over sensitive areas where wildlife and wetlands need preserving. I personally think the Southern bypass is a thing of beauty. So far as I can make out the main problem is where the Northern bypass begins. Does it join the Southern Bypass, or is there a better place. I live near the ring road and it does get clogged up with lorries and rush hour traffic. Getting from the Dereham Road roundabout via Sweetbriar Road to the A47 is an arduous task. Surely having a Northern Bypass makes sense. It is a pity nobody had the foresight to build one before the monstrous Inner Link Road cut a swathe through historic and beautiful parts of Norwich such as Magdalene Street. Too many nimbys complaining here in my opinion. The NCC need to stop waffling and dilly dallying and get the road built.

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    Christine Darrington

    Thursday, July 24, 2014

  • MrT. I am pleased that you agree with me. Yes a good road to Great Yarmouth would make all the difference. Well said.

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    Alharry

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • I'm rather ambivalent on the proagainst points for the NDR. I object to public money being used for the NDR, the costs should come from a road toll or an added airport tax. £148.5m public money would be better spent on a guided bus route, tramway, or upgrading frequency of Park and Ride, improving evening bus frequency to 15 mins and bus stop timetabling, Oyster cards. Bike garagesnetwork.

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    Rob Whittle

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • I fail to see why a road that's connected to the network only at one end, is not a dual carriageway, contains roundabouts instead of slipways and connects no urban areas will make a difference the the majority of Norfolk. Norwich already has a southern bypass, which takes the traffic east and west and joins up to the network for London and Cambridge. Where will the NDR lead? The airport doesn't have the flights to justify it, and never will as it's a regional airport, not a major hub. How much traffic really travels to Wroxham, Holt, Aylsham, Fakenham from the opposite side of Norwich? The trouble arises only during the commuting times. Spend the money on improving the existing roads and junctions rather than creating something that will only serve developers. The jobs are more likely to be created along the A11 corridor, not to the north of the city, so that's where the housing should be. Once you place the housing where they need to be for the employment opportunities, the argument for the NDR reduces considerably.

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • Mr T....I think that you have missed Alharry's point,as the comment says and links.If Gt.Yarmouth had suitable transport links maybe you wouldn't have had to leave Gt.Y, More jobs,more wealth,nicer place to live would become available.This wouldn't happen overnight,but if NCC used the NDR monies towards this it is a start.The Outer Harbour may even reach it's full potential!!! I live near Norwich,love the place,but visit regularly Gt.Y I just want it to have the better standard of living that I experience in Norwich.

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    Mrs B.

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • There is a song about this " The road to nowhere " !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Skyhookcoffee

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • .....It was KP who had the never ending journey time!....I expect he has reviewed his input, and decided to withdraw from the limelight!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • ,....£148m is an awful lot of money to spend to enable TK to get to the Airport from Acle and save 5mins on his journey time....people keep quoting the Airport as their aiming point....Why? What's the attraction?....Today's flight has already departed...7.10am...and for those travelling on it would not have met too much traffic on the roads at around 5am.....This whole project was based on a 'lie'! ..Traffic relief...my foot!....and once you start like that, it's one excuse after another!

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • Alharry, Money better spent regenerating GY?? You are having a larf... would need a lot more than that and people would still avoid it, it is a dead end town in more ways than one, and I lived there for over 50 years before getting out. The NDR may help GY in more ways than one if only you would look at it practically. Norfolk roads are an absolute nightmare, that is why people avoid it, why do you think the wonderful out harbour that was going to regenerate GY failed? Yep, the roads are C***.

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    Mr T

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • Those that object to the NDR are being very short-sighted. If we do not have a decent road infrastructure we are never going to attract new business to Norfolk. Too many people are looking after own interests rather than the future of Norfolk as a whole.

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    Gina

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • It would help the cause of the no campaign if they came up with an alternative credible traffic management plan and a plan for housing people who need homes. I am only in favour of this scheme because no other workable alternative has been suggested.

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    PDH

    Wednesday, July 23, 2014

  • Hah! not the Keith Simpson classic, where he never answers your question but passes it onto someone else to. This tactic has been used by him for years just to avoid giving you as an electorate a clear and concise answer, just remind him when he comes knocking at your door next year. He seems to be more interested in joining the Lords at the moment and reading history books.

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    Marigold

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Nick..I recently contacted Brandon Lewis MP for Gt.Yarmouth expressing similar views to your own..instead of NCC building the NDR,improve the transport infrastructure to Gt.Yarmouth,encourage business with incentives and Gt.Y could have a better standard of life.NCC only sees Norwich in Norfolk.. Mr Lewis did not respond as I did not live in his constituency and passed my email to my MP...Keith Simpson,who sent a letter but it did not address any of my raised points., ' he was interested to read my views' but why would he be interested in Gt.Y,he is not their MP,and Mr Lewis doesn't appear to be either.If Gt.Yarmouth came into the equation we wouldn't need the NDR...

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    Mrs B.

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Couldn't agree more. I have written to the authorities with similar viewpoints. MPs aren't interested either. You would think that all the proposed monies available would be better spent enabling the regeneration of GY and it's links.

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    Alharry

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Only me by name, Only me by nature! What astounds me is the lack of interest by our one and only MP for Broadland, Lord Lucan! He promised his electorate last election that he would object to a part bypass but come next year he better read his history books.

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    Marigold

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Yes, only me, this is the 21st century, except in Britain were the toads use road provision to garner votes at elections, were trams, all the rage everywhere else, even in our beloved US of A, are none existent because we do not have the technical expertise, at a time when commuter cycling is picking up, promising a heathier workforce and workers that do not fall out of their cars half asleep and stressed up to their eyeballs, cause they'd left too late. The Ringland, Drayton and Costessy rat runs will eventually be shut for all, including the4 local Conservatives residing there, HGV's cutting through Norwich to reach the A 47 could be fined and the road, which should have been paid for by the developers, not us, might be leased by a company that charges for its use. What a 21st century indeed. Not in my name.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • I think it is quite a good idea but is it a good idea how many people will be effected yes it might help reduce traffic in the city may cause less accidents but what about the environment and the people that will have to live next to the new road it's not just going to effect the city or one village it's going to effect the whole East side of norwich it's a pity it will cost so much i recon there is a lot of things that would benefit from that amount of money rather than a new road this might sound stupid but why couldn't they build a under ground road more direct with various exit points across norwich fit some carbon filters through out the tunnel to help reduce emissions in turn helping the environment and not disturbing any of the country side lol if it was only that simple

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    Johnny Lidstone

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • A councillor on the radio this evening said the road was needed to support new housing. It set me wondering where all these people will work, where will they be educated or treated if ill? If as suggested they become commuters to CambridgeLondon surely they need a good connection to the rail station not a road to no where.

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    jennifer jane

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • 1. The principle of & need for a northern distributor road • We do not believe that a sufficient case has been made for a northern distributor road for Norwich • We accept that if there is to be substantial development to the north east of Norwich then appropriate transport links need to be provided • We accept that if Norwich Airport is to be developed as a major industrial unit then also appropriate transport links need to be provided • These developments affect the north, north east and east of Norwich but the proposed developments will have a substantial, and unnecessary, detrimental effect on the west of Norwich for which no mitigating works are planned • We do not accept that a northern distributor road beyond Norwich Airport (from Postwick ) is required 2. Alternatives to the current proposals • If, at some time in the future, a need is established to extend such a road further west then it should not be built unless, and until, it is a complete link to the A47 at Easton • To extend the current “bypass” from 13.2 miles to 25.9 miles whilst not making full and appropriate provision for the remaining 3.6 miles is sheer madness for its short-sightedness • A road from Postwick and ending at the Norwich Airport is the only sensible mitigating solution unless and until the full impact of any further works on the western fringe of Norwich are fully incorporated into any proposed developments Whilst we do not believe the northern distributor road (as proposed) should be built – if it is decided that there is an immediate need, then the remaining 3.6 miles between Taverham and Easton MUST form as integral part of such a development

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    Costessey resident

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Who owns the land that this road might be built on? Because they are the ones who will profit the most.

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    oldowl

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • My goodness, that's rattled the Nimby's cages hasn't it? Can just picture them shaking their walking sticks as they turn purple with rage. Someone needs to explain to them that much as they'd like to be living in the 1950's, this is actually the 21st century. Build the road - sooner the better.

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    Only Me

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Forget all the waffle about improving traffic flow because it wont happen, the government wants the road built to open up countryside for new houses and future new towns will follow, there are plenty of examples of this in other city's, one classic example is the Bristol ( half ring road) .

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    gerry mitson

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • MoreRoads ! More Cars! More Congestion! More Houses! More Accidents! More Expansion! then eventually sometime in the future another ring RoadRelief Road,somewhere in the area of North Walsham North! and Alltleborough South!

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    Albert Cooper

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY more interested in the value of their house than anything else.

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    KeithS

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • I really find it hard to believe and understand some of the comments on here by the "protect norwichnorfolk at all costs" brigade. It will NOT be the end of life as we know it; it will be a relief to thousands of people who put up with the primitve infrastruture north of Norwich. The houses WILL be built so it makes good strategic sense to improve the roads now. When it's built perhaps the powers that be can quickly get on and link it up with the Southern By-Pass at the western end. BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Grizelda Graham

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • This road is needed, it is called progress, as others have stated the tree huggers just want to stop everything and anything. If you are all so concerned about fields, habitat and landscape why have we allowed so many of these useless solar farms take over so much land and spoil the countryside? The NDR will be of much more use to so many more people, just build it for goodness sake and stop wasting money,

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    Mr T

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Hello peeps, I only have two requirements. ... join it up to the A47 both ends and have slip roads off the dual carriageway just like the southern bypass, then we will have out own little M25!!!

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    Colby Army!

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Daisy Roots, As a matter of fact I did try and look at the environmental impact assessment and was a bit mystified to discover they only cover the Wensum Valley, Don't really know why 'The Broads' environmental sensitive areas have been excluded

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    Nick

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Jimmy - it'll lead to more congestion because developers are already lining up to build houses around the route of the proposed road, bringing some 20,000+ more houses to Norwich. As each house nowadays has at least 2 cars, you're looking at another 40,000 on Norwich roads. Yes, the congestion in the north of the city is bad, but this isn't the answer. Instead we'll have THREE ring roads of standing traffic. Plus, being connected to a main road only at one end, the traffic heading east will end up rat-running through Taverham, Costessey and Weston Longville. To make it something that would work, the junctions should be redesigned to be slip-roads, like the southern bypass, and it needs to join up at BOTH ends. Until these problems are addressed, the road will not fulfill its advertised function and the hidden agenda of more sterile estate housing will win out.

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • How will a brand new road lead to more congestion? How will the country side be ruined? People just postulating nonsense lets stick to the facts North Norwich infrastructure is woeful and congested, the council are trying to address this problem with a solution - Nimbys are just coming out outa fear they may lose value on their houses - that didn't happen to people of south Norwich when we got the much needed and excellent A47 bypass

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    Jimmy Hupperby

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Anyone would thing Norwich is surrounded by rainforest and the last pair of white rhino on the planet. A duel carrage way and few roundabouts is hardly the end of the human race. If the Goverment says scrape the NDR and duel the A47 from Kings Lynn to Gt Yarmouth instead, everyone on here would be wetting themselves excitment.

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    Tone the moan

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • after decades of all Ipswich traffic through Kessingland a bypass was built and within 5 years properties suffered major subsidence ,and engineers reported it was due to earths underplate vibrations of the traffic.Also will it cost the same as the Kings Lynn incinerator to the tax payer not to build it. As always it will be a disaster on wildlife that nobody seem to consider.NO TO NORTHERN DISTRIBUTER ROAD

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    grasshopper

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • KP I can usually deliver my old chap to Norwich Airport from the outskirts of GY in 50 minutes using the A47 and the outer ring road -and not just for the red eye-so goodness knows what route you are driving. One is tempted to say I had a car like that once...

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    Daisy Roots

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • I dont know how many of you have looked at the environmental impact report.I found the initial one a while back and was staggered by the lack of importance placed upon the Norfolk rural environment, on the habitats and the landscape. It was almost-well it's just fields so what-and one wondered about the independence of those commissioned by NCC to write it.

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    Daisy Roots

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • I think the best description I have seen of this road is "Road to Nowhere". If it was built ALL the way round then not so bad, it would help all, both residents and visitors. The southern bypass transformed traffic flow, the NDR could do the same but it won't. Who is going to want to travel from North Norfolk to Easton via Postwick?? Nobody. The exisitng rat runs will increase to the west of the city (in fact one document I saw the only INCREASE in traffic for 2017 was through Old CostesseyTaverham) and the traffic inside the ring road will not change at all.

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    Hangon_ralph

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Not sure what Katy Jones from CPRE is on about, I get the impression the vast majority of people want this road.

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    blister

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Cycling in the north of the city is dreadful at the moment, full of motorists taking short cuts to avoid the congested ring road, the new road will make these roads much quieter and a lot safer for pedestrians and cyclists

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    blister

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Will anything ever get built in Norfolk ever again?NCC please stop giving the public so much opportunity to moan! Just make the decision and get on with it.

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    christoph

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Here we go again – the greens, the NIMBY’s and assorted people with hidden agendas, trying to stand in the way of progress. Yes, it would be much better if the NDR connected to the A47 at both ends (this will happen with time) and it had slips roads onoff it rather than roundabouts slowing the traffic down but lets be grateful that something is being built that is going to assist traffic flow for the majority.

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    Norfolk John

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • I think most people with any sense, have seen through this farcical plan for this bit-part road by now. The complete NDR had some merit, but this incomplete road along with all the houses will be an absolute disaster for Norwich.

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    Vic Sponge

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • This is worrying "what traffic management would be put in place to stop traffic cutting through to the A47 in Drayton, Costessey, Taverham and Ringland." For gods sake don't make these area's harder to traverse!!! I am not going to travel from the Easton to Horsford (as I need to) via Postwick! The idiocy is that they are not finishing the road with the section that makes most economic and traffic flow sense. The section over the Wensum Valley.

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    Alex Holdroyd

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Some people on here appear fearful of change and new roads and houses, people need to live somewhere, the houses are going to be built and without the NDR the traffic around Norwich will become even busier. It's no surprise businesses choose other locations to set up instead of Norfolk when we have such terrible infrastructure, people need to be welcome to change and not be fearful of it or Norfolk will become left behind in the business world to areas with better infrastructure e.g Cambridge.

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    Odget

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Pete - explain how it's "vital" to the people of Attleborough, Yarmouth or Kings Lynn. It's only vital to the companies that want to build houses around Norwich. It will do nothing to relieve congestion in the city. It's a £148.5m white elephant that will grow to a £200m white elephant (as all road projects tend to cost well in excess of their projected budget). Can Norfolk CC really afford it when they have so many costs and cuts at the moment?

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • This road is vital for the people of Norfolk as a whole. The Norwich anti car Taliban should be ignored.They live in cloud cuckoo land if they think that improved public transport can get people around the county. Not everyone wants to go to Norwich

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    Pete

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Stew. On the button! Small bit needed though for a helicopter.

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    Old Wussername

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • …..Wusser name !…..IT WILL BE SOLD FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ! ...with a nice new road joining it to the A47 at Postwick!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Tell me. How will Norwich International Airflop benefit? Wussername

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    Old Wussername

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • I shall not take part in an inquiery that excludes the views of the public as irrelevant. The initial statement that objections detrimental to the 'perceived' economic benefits will not be allowed has made it clear to me, its business and hopuse building ueber alles, there will be no new hospital because no space has been allocated. Vitally necessarry services are not guaranteed to be designed to suit the newly expected house owners. They will be serviced last. Its time to reject these party politics, its ripping our system apart.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • …..Good morning Jetranger! ….Your short comment seems to answer all I am looking for!....You state that it 'will improve things no end'!....I wonder if you would be good enough to explain to ths uninformed person just what this improvement or improvements will be!....I am quite positive about having a nice new road on my doorstep, so to speak...joining with the A47 at both ends.!....but expect there will also be a downside!.....I would be pleased to have any input from anyone with inside knowledge!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Tuesday, July 22, 2014

  • Sick of the vocal minority holding up progress. Come on Norfolk, lets get moving!

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    Canary

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • It's certainly true that there are 2 camps: Greens, CPRE and NIMBYS vs those of us who want progress and a secure future for all. Let's get it built pronto -all the way to Easton.

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    Honest Injun

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • This needs to be built. It will improve things no end

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    Jetranger

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • In 25 years time our local paper will be saying that there is growing opposition to the Great North Norwich by-pass which will relieve pressure from the NDR.

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    oldowl

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • It would have been built if it wasn't for the bigots and flat cap wearers kicking up a fuss, most of which have been benefitting from the southern bypass for years, hence why they are interested in the Acle straight every time this road is mentioned.

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    KeithS

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Not being funny but can you all keep your messages brief? When I see huge amounts to read and just ignore it and move onto the next one.

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    christoph

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • …..You are absolutely right Nick.....This NDR will not help anyone in Yarmouth or living on the Yarmouth side of Norwich one bit!....It will not assist anyone living to the North East of Norwich!....It will not relieve traffic for anyone trying to get into or out of Norwich... You cannot imagine what good it could do....unless it is to service all the proposed development in the vicinity!....Might I suggest that it is funded entirely by the developers!....They will make the profits! ...Let them pay for it!....the People of Norwich will see NO BENEFITS from its construction!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • The development of transport infrastructure in Norfolk has long been a farce! There is no coherent county wide plan. This present scheme may be all well and good for the people of Norwich but does little or nothing for anyone else! It was laughable that during the scoping stage of developmet official reports stated the benefits to Great Yarmouth of having the NDR! Yarmouth for decades has been crying out for serious road improvements to the A47 and Rail link upgrade. The huge cost of Poswick (which came out of the blue) and the NDR projects which will be further publicly financed by the cost of the Norfolk Hub, does nothing whatever to see a harmonised plan across the county. It seems that Norwich is determined to suck the life out of the rest of the county. If you want to see a real traffic jam come to GY where it often takes me an hour to get across from Gorleston to GY a mere 4 miles. Business here is just as important as those in Norwich and the town is still a huge contributor to the Wealth of Norfolk.

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    Nick

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • …..KP if it takes you 50mins to get to the Airport, you are clearly starting in the wrong place!.... It could help your case if you told us where you are starting from...I suggest it could be somewhere in Suffolk or Cambridgeshire, ...or maybe you use a bike or a pony and trap....It's hard to believe that anywhere to the East or North of Norwich could take that long by car....and that is the area this NDR is intended to serve! ..Postwick to the Airport via Ring Road..20mins max!...Taverham to the Airport about the same! If you are giving facts they should be reasonably accurate...or do you work for the planners at County Hall? ..Then you could spend time travelling THROUGH the City with hold ups at the boundary roundabouts into and out of the City at Peak times....All other times are reasonable!.....How much time do you envisage the NDR would knock off your journey time?.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • This isn't really crunch time, it's a fore gone conclusion, this road will be built no matter what anyone says, because the council (dictators) have decided it will happen, It's a shame because we don't really need it if the current ring road was managed better, the traffic on the ring road is stopped to often and those small industrial estates, pedestrian crossings and small side roads shouldn't be given priority over the ring road. This is really poor traffic management by the council, make the ring road a clearway, make it all 40mph and allow the traffic to flow and you won't need this NDR road to nowhere. Those who claim this road will make improve journey time for 1000's of people, where do you see figures which prove that, I've seen none and I have looked. the property owners will make money out of it, the developers will make money out of it and we will all pay.

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    parkeg1

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • NIMBYS love moderating me but they know I'm right. You have dragged this county back long enough. MOVE!

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    Steady On

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • The jobs are all "projected". There are no companies lined up. Any jobs created by building houses will be temporary, not permanent to support the people they want to buy the houses. Where will you get employers around Norfolk to take on 20,000 new employees? Even allowing for turnover, that's one heck of a influx. Take a look at the building projects already under way and incomplete, such as Queens Hills and tell me that everyone there has a new job to go to. Only when the economy is booming can you speculatively build new estates with any hope of being able to support the incoming population with jobs and services. As an aside,when people resort to ad hominem attacks it means they have nothing to back up their viewpoint.

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Seems to me that we get fobbed off with 'create x number of jobs ...' etc etc and we don't get a simple answer to What is the NDR for? Or, who is profitting from it?

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    Patrick

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Reading all this shows that there are basically two camps .. yes or no. Both dogmatic and neither seems to have really strong arguments for such a huge expenditure. How can taxpayers judge on such woolly information? What happens to the Postwick Hub if the NDR doesn't get permission? Will it all join onto nothing? It's looking like it will be another incinerator fiasco. Now we are going to pay to burn our rubbish instead of getting paid to burn Suffolk's. At a price PLUS £38 million pound default charges!!

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    Patrick

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • @Joe Rome, you are right!

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    Whiley Boy

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Bruce 87! It is NOT a Northern By-pass! Steady on is young in mind but low in intelligence! And has a problem with the elderly! Mr T wants all of the cake, but would be happy with a small piece, as long as it is the right piece!. Daisy Roots is more in touch with the actual situation. Much more that some one trying to solve a problem that is unclear to them. Odget is a natural! Every village should have one!

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    Joe Rome

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • If this NDR is not built could the objectors of this much needed road then campaign to stop anymore development in and around Norwich, on the basis our roads are far to overcrowded for us who currently live here now, for instance it can take me up to 50 minutes to do a 12 mile journey to Norwich airport, ridiculous. Simply either build the roads to support development and growth, or stop road building and development, Norfolks roads and residents can't take anymore.

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    KP

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Hurry up and Build it! Despite what the objectors say this road will improve the journeys of 1000s of people every day, the sooner it is build the better.

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    Odget

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • SMH- I have been watching the ring road for 40 years. How many other places needing a vital route around a city would have allowed so many pedestrian crossings rather than subways or bridges, so many traffic light controlled junctions for minor retail or industrial sites rather than combined accesses and so much on street parking still allowed? The route should at the very least be an urban clearway all round, there should have been compulsory purchases to link retail park accesses etc. Take the Sainsbury -Thorpe Road roundabout-it could have been enlarged with the purchase of a few social housing units to make it work better.There will be plenty of compulsory purchases for the NDR and Norwich council has no inhibitions about pulling down really nice bits of Norwich centre, but when it comes to keeping the outer ring road up to date it has failed. One suspects deliberately.

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    Daisy Roots

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • What I fail to understand is how these projects (NDR and Poswick Juction) got funding over much more urgent and long standing problems in Norfolk. Nothing much wrong with the idea, but is it really about the road or is it to do with profits in property development? The NE Triangle of Great Norwich Development seems a very odd idea. The development of urbanisation so close to a uniquely special area of wetlands does not seem to have been well understood or documented. On another point, why is it that we have seen the over development of Norwich at the cost of serious under development of Yarmouth. Had we seen the sort of money now being spent on the A47 junction and NDR , being spent in Yarmouth, we would have had a great opportunity to rebuild brown field sites and sort out all the traffic problems. Improved rail and road link wold make GY into a secondary hub to complement Norwich. As it stands we see a polarisation between ever more affluent Norwich and an ever more cash strapped GY. A ridiculous situation when a lot of engineering skills already reside in Yarmouth & Lowestoft, skills along with developments already undertaken (Such as East Port) which could improve the whole of Norfolk rather than just Norwich and a few property developers. All this could be done without the environmental cost of building onto the green field sites of the NE Triangle.

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    Nick

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • You wait-this road will go through we will have houses far in excess of the number of jobs the city and surrounds can create and sustain and the houses will be filled with retired move ins from the Home Counties who have sold their houses at near London prices. Or social housing filled up with the " relocated". The road, like any with roundabouts rather than fly overs, will be susceptible to rush hour traffic jams-like the Honingham bypass roundabout and the Lincoln bypass. The only part of this road which is really needed, is as s*d's law would dictate, the piece which would be most environmentally damaging ie the Fakenham Road-Hellesdon to the Southern bypass stretch. Hard to justify wrecking Ringland Hills for it. Be interesting to know how many homes built in Norfolk in the last 10 years are occupied by those who are or who have been until retirement, economically active locally.

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    Daisy Roots

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Daisy - I've been saying the same sorts of things. The traffic appears to be radial - it's people travelling in and out of Norwich that are the vast majority rather than those from the north of the county trying to access the A11 or A47. Oh, no doubt there's some, with more at tourist times, but not enough to justify nearly £150m. If the true motivation was to improve traffic flow around the city, the money would be better spent on improving the existing ring road and junctions. Increasingly it's really looking like a pet project of the council no matter what the objections are, and they're going to railroad it through. You only have to look at the overly complicated "Postwick Hub" that's under construction to see how badly mismanaged and thought out the project appears to the public eye.

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • SMH The EDP is incapable of being unbiased.This whole concept and process ,as anyone with any maturity can see , is a bent as a nine bob note environment wrecking traffic jam creating folly of a road. I have yet to see easily understood and full analysis of traffic movements garnered from legitimate surveys to justify the road. The prime problems in Norwich seem to be within the current outer ring road and created by Norwich councils incompetence and a deliberate mismanagement of the ring road traffic systems and planning. I find traffic flows around the outer ring road as good as anywhere. It is hard to see how the NDR will stop the peak hour jams around Gurney, Sprowston and Aylsham roads INSIDE the current ring road.Or how traffic flow is going to be managed with roundabouts and not create jams, or whether there really is sufficient traffic other than that generated in the suburbs ( which should be using public transport to get to work or expecting suburban traffic conditions ) to warrant another bypass. How much traffic from north of Norwich actually wants to access the A11A47 etc on a daily basis? Surely traffic from Fakenham goes via Swaffham and Thetford? And the rest, from the North Walsham and Cromer sector is surely a piddling amount to justify this spend ? If it was all coming from central funding there might be some excuse, but the county cannot afford it.

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    Daisy Roots

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • We desperately need a northen bypass now, get on and build it asap.

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    Bruce87

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Panic.. I would suggest your comment may be slightly incorrect, stating this is not what the voting public wants. It is an assumption by those who are against it, as a voter I am certainly in favour of it, with the proviso it is a complete road and doesn't just end. As usual it is those against who make the most noise, while those in favour just want to see it built and stop wasting money on more hearings and the life of a butterfly.

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    Mr T

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Beijing eat your heart out,Norwich has the best air pollution in the world and it's good for your health.

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    Peter Watson

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • …..I do not object to the road!...A road like this joining the A47 at Postwick and continuing around the North of the City before re-joining the A47 in the Costessey area would be a major asset to all living in the outer suburbs!....What I do Object to and strongly, is the untold 1000s of match box properties that will be erected around it!....They are not needed in this part of Norwich, by the locals or even immigrants! Any major housing programme should have been sited to the south, between Norwich and London!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Really............We are STILL spending money on debating whether this road should go ahead. It's so long ago when who ever decided the road would go ahead that I can only guess what year it was. I wonder how much of OUR tax money has been wasted talking about this road which will only really serve the new housing developers anyway. Please stop wasting tax payers money and do what you are going to do (which is not what your voting public wants) and build the road already.

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    Panic

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • For balance, shouldn't the EDP also list the groups OPPOSING the road, not just those supporting it? Could that indicate a bias?

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Monday, July 21, 2014

  • Its a done deal.just going through the usual procedures !

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    Albert Cooper

    Monday, July 21, 2014

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