The 15 recommendations to cure problems caused by late-night drinking in Norwich - but what do you think ?

Green councillor. Ben Price, front, with his report on late night drinking in Prince of Wales Road. With him are fellow councillors, from left, Lesley Grahame, county councillor Adrian Dearnley, Jo Henderson, and Thorpe resident Jude Applin. Picture: Denise Bradley Green councillor. Ben Price, front, with his report on late night drinking in Prince of Wales Road. With him are fellow councillors, from left, Lesley Grahame, county councillor Adrian Dearnley, Jo Henderson, and Thorpe resident Jude Applin. Picture: Denise Bradley

Dan Grimmer dan.grimmer@archant.co.uk
Wednesday, February 26, 2014
8:45 AM

Norwich City Council has been accused of “failing in its duty of care” to people whose lives have been affected by problems linked to late night drinking in the city centre.

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The claim was made by Green councillors, who have drawn up a report calling for a fresh look at licensing in streets such as Prince of Wales Road.

But the city council hit back, saying they had been working on the issue for the past year, with a report due to be discussed by the controlling cabinet next month.

The Green councillors have put forward 65 recommendations they say would improve the sitation and cut anti-social behaviour.

Among the recommendations are that late-opening alcohol suppliers should be charged a late night levy to help pay for policing; a minimum alcohol price should be introduced in certain areas and £320,000 spent on six portable toilet units

The report followed a public meeting of the Norwich Stakeholders Forum last November.

Thorpe Hamlet Green councillor Ben Price said: “I felt that the meeting of the Stakeholders’ Forum organised by Green Party councillors was of huge benefit to residents, the police and the council.

“I have researched how other local authorities have developed solutions to the same problems. Now is the time for Norwich to adopt these recommendations and tackle the problem in a new way.”

One of the report’s conclusions was that “the council is failing in its duty of care to the residents”.

But Mike Stonard, the city council’s cabinet member for licensing, said a report on the issues would be discussed by the cabinet next month, following a year of work.

He said the 50-page Green report was received at lunchtime yesterday, so it was “unreasonable” to be asked to comment at such short notice.

He added: “I personally attended this stakeholder meeting and, as I live just off of Prince of Wales Road, I do understand people’s concerns.

“The council and the police are working with all interested parties to find the best possible solution for all those directly or indirectly affected by the night time economy.”

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These are the top 15 of the 65 Green recommendations:

1.That the council make a public commitment in it’s policy framework to challenging itself to take all reasonable steps to make improvements to all facets of the late night economy through the development of a new Norwich Licensing policy.

2.The council develops a city wide vision for the future management of the Late Night Economy. This works with the planning department in order to draw up a desired list of criteria for a Licence application based upon the Lewisham model.

3.To receive a written and verbal report from the responsible cabinet member which details at length how the council is approaching all of the recommendations contained within this report.

4.An independent review into improving the Council’s response to resident telephone calls and complaints regarding all areas of Licensing. The findings of which are then publicly released.

5.To apply a Cumulative Impact Zone, which will influence future Licensing applications and alterations and to investigate why a CIZ covering the LNAZ, had not been introduced in Norwich when the legalisation was developed. The result of which would have been less clubs on Prince of Wales road today.

6.To independently investigate that Environmental Health are enforcing licensing conditions to their fullest which will include investigating late night surveillance work undertaken and all evidence gathering techniques and to provide Environmental Health with levels of funding that can develop robust evidence gathering against venues that flout the conditions of their Licence.

7. The guarantee that a Senior Licensing Officer, a Senior Environmental Health Officer, Head of Department and Cabinet Councillor attend future Stakeholder meetings to listen to residents and report back on progress.

8. That the Council investigate and report back to the Stakeholders’ Forum about introducing a minimum alcohol price within “stress areas” as has been done in Newcastle.

9. To see the introduction of CCTV in the St Faiths Lane/Recorder Road area of the city.

10.Commit to an introduction of a Late Night Levy as a part of any EMRO (Early Morning Restriction Order) proposal.

11.To offer better information to the public about how they can utilise the review procedures within the Licensing Laws and make representations at applications/variations by providing workshops and training at least once a year explaining the processes and procedures.

12.Purchase portable urinal units x 2 (Cost £70,000/£80,000 each and £3,000 maintenance per year each) and portable facilities for Women x 4 (Cost £40,000 each) and to find a funding stream to off set these costs. To refurbish the toilet blocks on Prince of Wales and Tombland making them better suited to an area of the city that has both daytime and night-time anti social behaviour.

13.That the Council commits to developing software in conjunction with other partners notably the CCG (Clinical Commissioning Group) similar to Lewisham’s and London’s “Public Health Licensing Approach” so that directors of public health will to be able to respond consistently and affectively to licensing applications and that evidence can be presented in a clear way to the Licensing Committee and sub-committees. The Council will conduct a review into how this information is shared between the Council, Police and CCG.

14.The Council commission a fully independent report into calculating the costs of the maintenance, cleaning and repairs of the late night economy to Norwich. To commission a fully independent report in conjunction with CCG into the costs to health services of Norfolk from the late night economy.

15. That the Council conduct an investigation into setting up a BID (Business Improvement District) to cover businesses in the Late Night Economy to help fund improvements in it’s management that doesn’t impact financially on the other businesses in the city.

24 comments

  • The only people who can cure it are the useless prats who do it - no amount of well meaning measures will.

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    biglingers

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • My 5 recommendations 1)Close all clubs at 1.00 (nothing els eto do but go home) 2))Close all takeaways at 12.00(yes before the clubs close) 3)Lay on free buses going N.E ,S, and W (payed for from nightclubs) 4)turn one of the empty unitis into Police and first aid centre (with a overnight jail) 5)Build a toilet block

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    billythebookie

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • DaveG you are so right. There appears to be no indication that pressure is to be exerted on the Police to make arrests, followed by £100 or £200 fines in the Courts; double for repeat offences.

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    john lillburn

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • These comments are spot on. We have enough laws already to stop anti-social behaviour - ie: breach of the peace, drunk & incapable, drunk & disorderly, indecent exposure etc. The police either choose not to enforce these laws or feel they cannot enforce them. Give the police what they need and stop pandering to the few who ruin it for everyone else. I don't like the SOS bus which sends a message that it is OK to get legless and spend your taxi fare home on alcopops. Anyone would do it all over again. But, give someone a cold night in a drunk tank instead and maybe they will learn.

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    oldowl

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • 65 recommendations! If the 15 given are examples ... goodness, what a lot of words, waffle. Not solving the root cause obviously. But hey! let's look as if we are doing something about it .. For every solution you will find a problem.

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    Patrick

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • And who will pay for this...yes I think we all know...not those who drink heavily and need these portable toilet units.

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    JEN

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Mooseyt3 , I take it you live in the sacred Golden Triangle area then? Where those in power have decreed that no strip club, night club or grotty takeaway will ever blight the area where they live. If the Night Time Economy is so important and amazing as the Council keep telling us I see no reason why the residents in the Golden Triangle should miss out on all the 'fun' we in the Prince of Wales Rd area endure.

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    Resident Smith

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • I'm quite surprised that a CIZ covering the LNAZ has not been introduced yet but, under the proposals at least people will be able to have a P in the W.C.

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    Thoreauwasright

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • I moved into a street off Prince of Wales Road over ten years ago. I knew then that it is a late night entertainment district and I moved in with that full knowledge and the knowledge of the problems that go with it. If I wanted to I could have moved somewhere else instead. The clubs and shops here despite any faults that they have also bring a benefit to the economy of the area and therefore a benefit of the residents of the area. Unlike the lack of investment in the area by the City Council. Whilst I get on well with the local councillors and have had a lot of dealings with them on other issues I think that they need to invest more in the area and to spend more time on getting the run down areas sorted and less time preventing the night time economy from benefiting the community. And they desperately need to get St Anne's Wharf sorted before the rats get any bigger.

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    PDH

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Why am I always suspicious of fully grown people that wear badges?? Grow up!

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    IT Man

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • I don't think it will make any difference what rules, regulations or laws regarding alcohol are put in place as it is always down to the pathetic individual who can'twon't control what they drink, it is then of course once these individuals are so intoxicated they believe they become the toughest individual who can and do start fights, people get hurt which then spoils the fun of a night out for those that can & do control what they drink. That's my honest opinion.

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    melalmighty

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • I bet the Greens would like the unruly yoof to get stoned instead of smashed, what what. But if you believe Norwich has a late night drinking problem look no further than Chloe Smith and her backers at the EDP if you want to blame anyone. I mean, we are continually told of the success of NFJ, and thus the yoof of Norwich must be awash with barely-earned cash which fuels yet greater alcohol abuse, as said yoofs seek to take their minds off the awfulness of their short-term job placements with no meaningful prospect of a real career, etc etc.

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    Mr Cameron Isaliar

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • What a load of waffle. Lots of talk in their list of points and no action. The council wanted all the nightlife in one area, and it has it. Surely better than spreading it all out again and upsetting lots of residents all over the city? With the exception of The Talk and that nightclub under Anglia Square of course.

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    Mooseyt3

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Fluffy Cat, I've been telling the Council this for the past 10 years but it's been a case of "Lalalala we're not listening!". Unless it directly affects them they are not interested. I also want to see the Norwich Alcohol Licensing systemcommittee fully investigated as in it's current form it's not fit for purpose. Objections from the public are ignored as they have zero standing and applications are just rubber stamped through. Pointless.

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    Resident Smith

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Do the Green Councillors really think it is the council that is failing. The Real Problem is ill-mannered, irresponsible drunks .. who lack self-control, who are selfish and don't care about other people, have no sense of personal responsibility and are a disgrace to society. billythebookie: yes use one of the units to lock all the drunks in overnight, no need for toilets, and have sprinklers dripping cold water on them for several hours .. Fluffycat: whose fault is it that these 'thousands of drunk people' ARE drunk. Not mine, not many people's .. It is their own fault. Lock 'em up in blast chillers ..

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    Patrick

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Councillors are proficient in the production of pointless verbal diarhorrea and this is a perfect example! Unless you can change the mindset of people that getting totally plastered on a Friday or Saturday night constitutes a good time nothing will change! This doesn't happen on the continent because they drink sensibly! Perhaps councillors should stick to sorting out expenses claims,or inventing new ways to cause traffic chaos in the city,something they are good at,rather than pontificating about drunkenness on prince of Wales road!

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • john lillburn, I did try to get Mr Betts involved with the issues that residents were facing with the Night Time Economy. His deputy wrote back basically saying he wasn't interested. I think the term is...waste of space?

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    Resident Smith

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • It wouldn't take long for the portable toilets to be vandalised or tipped over and dragged down the street, not so sure they're a good idea.

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    Ar ya reet boi?

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Fluffy Cat, I've been telling the Council this for the past 10 years but it's been a case of "Lalalala we're not listening!". Unless it directly affects them they are not interested. I also want to see the Norwich Alcohol Licensing systemcommittee fully investigated as in it's current form it's not fit for purpose. Objections from the public are ignored as they have zero standing and applications are just rubber stamped through. Pointless.

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    Resident Smith

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • If anti social behaviour was punished properly by the courts rather than a little tap on the wrist or a useless police caution, then it would soon dry up as people realised that it could hit them hard in the pocket, or even lose them their liberty

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    DaveG

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • My 5 recommendations 1)Close all clubs at 1.00 (nothing else to do but go home) 2))Close all takeaways at 12.00(yes before the clubs close) 3)Lay on free buses going N.E ,S, and W (payed for from nightclubs) 4)turn one of the empty unitis into Police and first aid centre (with a overnight jail) 5)Build a toilet block

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    billythebookie

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • DaveG is so right. There seems no intention to get the Police involved. Start making arrests and big fines. These fine people should "have a word" with Mr Betts!

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    john lillburn

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It does strike me as a bit pathetic that after over a decade of the Prince of WalesRiverside mess they are only now considering providing some toilets. It is so obvious that thousands of drunk people turfed out into the cold night are going to need a pee within about 10 minutes so, with their inhibitions lowered, are going to use door ways and alleys. Why wasn't this addressed years ago?

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    Fluffy Cat

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • TFTBLOTD. Thanks for the best laugh of the day.

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    JanieH

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

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