Tesco plans for Pakefield store receive setback

A POT protest ahead of  tonight's meeting  By Anthony Carroll A POT protest ahead of tonight's meeting By Anthony Carroll

Tuesday, August 12, 2014
8:10 PM

The long-running controversy over whether Tesco should set up a fourth store for the Lowestoft area took a dramatic twist tonight after councillors sided with residents opposed to the plans.

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Tesco wants to create a Tesco Express store and 20 jobs by converting the Tramway Hotel, which has six accommodation rooms on its first floor, in London Road in Pakfield.

Waveney District Council’s development control committee approved a certificate of lawful existing use application submitted by Eric Peak on behalf of the campaign group Pakefield Opposing Tesco (POT).

The committee agreed with POT’s argument that the Tramway Hotel should be of mixed use as a pub and hotel - meaning Tesco will need to put in a full change of use planning application or seek a judicial review against tonight’s vote if it wants to go ahead with its plans.

The vote went against a council officers recommendation that the Tramway Hotel was just a pub and so Tesco did not need a planning application.

See tomorrow’s EDP and Friday’s Lowestoft Journal for a full report.

37 comments

  • If following guidelines laid down in the Localism Act to have the Tramway listed as an Asset Of Community Value is exploiting loopholes, then I am afraid POT is guilty, and I am sure they would like the fact that their CLUE application was perfectly lawful, to be taken into consideration before they are sentenced! However, the fact that Tesco has spent almost two years trying to prove that the Tramway Hotel is not a hotel makes one believe that they were trying to establish some sort of test case which would then set a precedent for them to be able to walk into any hotel and say it is just a pub with rooms.

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    Roaring boy of Pakefield

    Monday, August 18, 2014

  • Dave, I totally agree that people's shopping habits have changed. Shopping habits are still changing as more and more people do their weekly shop via the internet. I, a 56 year old about-to-be-retired lecturer with no car who owns a house Kirkley, have a Waitrose and an ASDA online account and do my weekly shop once a month from them and pick up items from the Pakefield and Kirkley CoOps and High Street as needed. If Pakefield was a "food desert" I would be advocating FOR the Tesco, but it's not. It's not even in need of a convenience store at that location, unless you're too tired to cross the street. The grocery business is rapidly changing and the big grocers have reached their peak with the massive suburban stores and are finding that the internet is eating into sales there. It's cheaper and easer for many people to "click and collect" or internet shop than spend their Saturdays battling the carts and the kids. So the only way for the big boys to expand is through small, local shops. They're not building new stores in the Tramways of England for the benefit of the locals, but for the benefit of themselves because they are simply looking for market share in a battle with each other. Once they establish market share and Morrisons or Tesco go bankrupt they'll retrench and pull out of the unprofitable areas as fast as they can and that will leave boarded up, useless buildings festering in the middle of residential areas. It's a lot easier to preserved some quality of life now than try to regain it ten years from now when Tesco is gone and the building is standing empty. If you read the papers, Tesco is one of the shaky grocery mega-companies. If Waitrose wanted to come in to Pakefield I don't think you'd have such a fuss. But in the end, those stores would have to conform to the rules, too.

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    ATaylor

    Saturday, August 16, 2014

  • If using guidelines laid out in the Localism act to try and secure the future of the Tramway for the community can be called exploiting loopholes , then I fear POT is guilty, and I am sure they would like to have their perfectly lawful CLUE application taken into consideration.

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    Roaring boy of Pakefield

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • Let them invest in the site. Then shop in Aldi or Lidl - much better!!!

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    Parsnip

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • It should be pointed out that these so-called loop holes are nothing of the sort. Change of use from a public house to shop has been permitted (without the need for a planning application) for nearly 20 years and is documented in a specific act of parliament which amongst other things expressly deals with such changes. The permitted changes are well known in the property industry. Landlords, tenants, councils and indeed tax payers have benefited significantly from such changes being permitted. It has only been subject to recent attention from the likes of CAMRA as the pub sector has been in decline and they are desperate to protect what they have. The determination of POT to exploit whatever loophole they could to block Tesco is what has ultimately cost WDC and the tax payer a lot of money.

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    Jay

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • I am not against Tesco - I shop in Tesco, I have a Tesco credit card, I get my diesel from Tesco and I am a long way away from being a pensioner. What I object to is another store in Pakefield, be it Tesco Express, Sainsbury's or whatever. It simply is not needed as Pakefield already has Spar and The CoOp for people, like me to pop down there of an evening for the stuff I have run out of etc. Tesco makes £1billion's of profit, it does not need to make more at the expense of smaller retailers who already fill the gap.

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    UKTaxpayer

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • While there are loopholes in the planning laws, they will be exploited. By pure coincidence Camra launched its campaign to get these loopholes filled, the very day that the DCC met to consider the CLUE application. The question as to why Tesco chose to fight the planning status of the Tramway instead of just submitting a change of use planning application will probably go unanswered. But it is a fact that by trying to exploit the planning loophole it has cost WDC and ultimately the tax payer a lot of money.

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    Roaring boy of Pakefield

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • I’m out of here…………..all I can say is in the future all will go silent from a few people when Tesco open the doors for the first time in Pakefield. Watch This Space....!!

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    Dave Sims

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • Dave Sims You can reason with someone who doesn’t see reason. I think she has a few issues with herself to sort out. I believe this is referred to as Egocentrism.

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    YesToWind&Solar

    Friday, August 15, 2014

  • Your reasoning is specious. I do not support a change of use of The Tramway Hotel to a convenience store owned and run by Tesco. I do not support a change of use of the Tramway Hotel to a convenience store run by anyone else, whether or not they were born within the sound of Pakefield Church bells, and regardless of how much money they have. I hope this is clear.

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    point du jour

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • So basically what you are saying to the “Locals” (I prefer this..!) if you have the money some people of this so called good community will not support you at all. Now that’s good community spirit, you have shown you true colours.

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    Dave Sims

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • @Dave Sims – I shall treat your question as a genuine one, although I'd have preferred that you use the phrase 'local person'. I have to say that it seems unlikely that an individual, unless they had extraordinary personal financial resources, would be in a position to take on a large building like The Tramway Hotel in order to run a convenience store when there are already two others within 50 yards. And no, I would not welcome such a change of use. Ideally I'd like Enterprise Inns, the pubco which has failed to make any effort to maintain The Tramway, to agree to sell to the community which has successfully had it listed as an Asset of Community Value.

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    point du jour

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • @Dogberry - on the contrary, I have a very good understanding of the planning system, hence my concerns. It seems clear that you do not. I have sat in many planning committee meetings, which seldom showcase best planning practice as decisions are reliant on lay people to consider the facts in an unbiased way. Sometimes this works satisfactorily, sometimes it doesn't (depending on one's perspective, of course). All this nonsense about corporate bullying really needs to stop, you have deluded yourself, please do not try to delude others. There was no bullying from Tesco on this occasion, all they did was point out the facts and remind WDC members of their responsibilities. Indeed WDC's planning committee and their own lawyer said the same!! The balance of pressure was very clearly from POT and therefore the brave thing to do would have been to take the advice of your own planning committee, legal counsel and have full and proper regard to the facts. Both applications which went to committee were subject to a barrage of irrelevant comments which it would seem the committee could not fulfil their duty in ignoring. It was the equivalent to a local group trying to block a residents application to extend their home because they knew that it would enable someone they did not like to move in and when this failed they sought to get the house re-classified as a B & B because every now and then the owners had friends round that would stay the night!!

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    Jay

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • Dogberry & point du jour...I put the question to you again...! If a local man were to open a Convenience shop here instead of Tesco would you be against it or would you support him ?

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    Dave Sims

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • #jay -From your comments about the decision and reasons for it you obviously have no knowledge of how Planning Laws work. You need to sit in on some of their meetings rather than carping ignorantly from the sidelines. The Planning Committee were given the choice and have acted perfectly within the Law - they also showed courage in face of the pressure being put on them to bow to Tesco's unspoken intimidation of WDC - someone had to stand up to corporate bullying - well done to the Councillors who did. Your statement about biased opinion - that's what opinion is - it will always have a bias. I note you don't criticise Tesco for having a biased opinion. I cannot understand your failure to recognise this is proper democracy in action - that's why people form pressure groups . I wonder how you will feel when the Frackers want to start work in this area, and maybe under your home - will you protest or just let it happen. #DaveSims - can't understand what you mean by underhanded - it was open and above board all the way...unlike the hints from Tesco that they would take WDC to the cleaners if they didn't get their way. What you have in Pakefield are a group of very ordinary - no - extraordinary people - who have stood up to bullying. What a great example to us all. #pointdujour - the voice of reason as always!

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    Dogberry

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • I live in pakefield and I got POT knocking on my door saying am I intersted in joining the group and petition. I told him politely as I could cold calling is not a good idea and I am for TESCO coming here. I am in support of TESCO and the HOTEL group(Hope our Tesco Eventually Lives. Lets hope they win and POT along with I want more votes bob blizzard can think of something else to do.

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    vinny.p

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • It does seem as though POT have achieved really one thing only, to delay the inevitable, by using an underhanded tactic they accuse of Tesco of doing…What is the point in that. What a joke the British people have become, other countries must laugh at us and we wonder why we take one step forward and two back. Tesco will not give up..they never do. In the end and in the future it will happen.....happy shopping in this store.

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    Dave Sims

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • I'm all for local communities having their say and being able to shape and influence the way their communities and neighbourhoods are developed. However, the process should be to limit certain uses not certain occupiers. Where is the fairness and equality in that? If you really want a scenario whereby local politically charged action groups can dictate which businesses can open up shop and where and which ones can't then god help us all. That is certainly not the community life I want for me and my children; it could so easily (as demonstrated in this case) lead to a mob rule-like situation. If you want planning rules to be so stringent that every time someone wants to change the use of a building the locals get their say, then this will result in no change at all and a serious decline in our economy. The POT (who's intentions I genuinely believe were sincere, initially at least) have acted in a way which has resulted in an unlawful and highly controversial decision being made and for what gain? The temporary preservation of a failing pub? The support for Spar and Co-op (who evidently are not big companies and never pro-actively expand into communities!!)? Or was it really just an opportunity for BB to get some much needed publicity and to be seen to take down our country's most successful retailer? Of course, everyone hates a successful business, it is just not the British way!!

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    Jay

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • @mortfish - As I have pointed out several times, The Tramway Hotel is not standing empty. It is still open; family members stayed there only a couple of weeks ago; if you visit you will see posters advertising forthcoming events.

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    point du jour

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • Sorry to break in on the pro-Tesco miseryfest here. I appreciate that Tuesday was not a good day for the astr*t*rf*rs. MickB1 has persistently demonstrated a lack of local knowledge. One cannot help wondering whether the B1 in his user name is actually his postcode (Birmingham). As for Ollie, I have to confess that 'obserd' is a new word to me, I have looked it up and it seems that nobody else has heard of it either. Anyway, I look forward to seeing the result of your pro-Tesco petition. If you live near enough to organise it that is. What has prevented you from taking this course before now since you feel so strongly? And on the subject of a number of very unpleasant comments about older people, I should just point out that many of us pensioners are children of the sixties; we have been to university; we have had professional careers; we can be bothered to vote in elections; we are used to playing an active part in our communities; we are still wind-surfing and mountain biking. And that's just the women. The lack of concern and mockery of older people who care about their local area is disgraceful.

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    point du jour

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • We can only assume by the sad ignorance demonstrated by snide comments on here that none of you nameless trolls have ever attended one of the many meetings held by the POT Group. If you had, you would have heard mature and reasoned arguments put forward as to why NO supermarket would be welcome opening on these premises. The problem is that the lease owners of the Tramways have failed to show any interest in modernising or improving the premises - you only have to look in Pakefield Street to see how successful local pubs should be. They have missed the chance to do something great on this prime site, leaving it vulnerable to the predatory intentions of Tesco. As for the pathetically ignorant comments about the POT Group itself - is it only young people who are permitted to campaign for or against anything? Since when has it been wrong for anyone of any age to campaign, or are you wanting to leave freedom of expression to people younger than Pension Age? We have a Government that was elected on the promise of giving communities for say in what happens - not much sign of that in the past 4 years - so all we get are these boorish comments when some local people show some REAL community spirit. Of course the usual anti-Blizzard comments some up - but then we are getting closer to an election and the Tories need all there trolls on here spouting the usual ill-informed rubbish! Why no comments about the silence of the Tories about this proposed bit of social vandalism? Looking forward to @Ollie doing lots of door-knocking to get the support for his campaign!

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    Dogberry

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • I do not live in Pakefield, but I am assuming that the Tramway was a vibrant and busy pub with a profitable hotel business supported by the local community, if so, why is it standing empty.

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    mortfish

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • This whole process has been handled incredibly poorly. A lesson to Tesco etc not to ever name themselves in a planning application like this again as the fact that their name should be disregarded during the process was blatantly ignored and in fact used against them. Most unfair and unjust. The planning committee have failed in their duty to look at the facts (they relied on biased opinion only), evidence and have due regard to planning law but instead have bowed to political and personal pressure. It was clear that most of the committee had made their mind up already and the atmosphere in the room was quite intimidating at times with heckling etc. Fair play, it did the trick, but to all those involved in POT - please don't mislead people by suggesting that Tesco have done something wrong as during the process the bully boys were very clearly the opposition. If Tesco have the stomach for it, then they will win on JR. I feel they have no choice but to do so or else risk a dangerous precedent being set. This could be embarrassing (again) for WDC.

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    Jay

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • Another thing A Taylor….You know the only groups formed are always ANTI groups, people just don’t form groups if there in favor of something..they just get on with their lives they don’t really give a monkeys, so why would they form a group and waste their time…THEY DON’T

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    Dave Sims

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • A Taylor – What the older folk don’t really understand is that the way people shop has changed and has been changing over the last decade, back in their day they went to the Butchers for meat, Fish market for Fish, Bakers for Bread, Diary for Milk & Butter, Newsagent for Papers, Grocers for Veg, Tobacconists for Cigarettes and so on and so on. Today people want a One Stop shop to buy everything they need not forgetting using the Internet for shopping as well. The need for a dozen individual shops for shopping has been replaced by one stop shops that sell everything mainly for convenience and cost, today’s world of busy busy busy requires this. Yes “Convenience shops” the clue is most definitely in the word. As for some people saying this is not an Anti-Tesco protest is total rubbish the protest group “POT” Opposing Tesco, The word “Oppose” means againstAnti why would the group call themselves this if they are not Anti-Tesco ? Don’t use the word “ALL” in your statement saying All Pakefield are behind them when this is simply not true, there are 7,000 in Pakefield, Did all 7,000 say this? Was there a vote? Was this unanimous? NO..! One comment on here asked the question ..”If a local man were to open a Convenience shop here would you be against it then” I presume the reason why no one has answered it is because they know the answer would be NO they wouldn’t, BUT being Tesco they would. I do agree with TESCO on this. These shops are needed.

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    Dave Sims

    Thursday, August 14, 2014

  • From what I see, the problem younger comments trolls have with pensioners is that pensioners actually DO things. The older activists in the photo get out of their houses, go to meetings, lobby for what they believe in and try to work for the greater good. Now the Comments Kings might not agree with what the POT stands for, but they are putting themselves in the firing line for what they believe in, not hiding behind avatars and PC screens and making silly comments in between Call of Duty missions. I haven't heard of any counter demonstrations FOR the Tesco or any citizen's movements in favor of it. So people on this comment section can complain and moan about pensioners, but one thing they can't say is that they have any Pakefield citizens at all behind them. If you really believe that Pakefield is in dire need of a Tesco, then go to a meeting and stand up and give a cogent, reasoned argument about why this particular Tesco proposal is a good idea for Pakefield. People will listen.

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    ATaylor

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • Here we are again some don’t like the truth Jay---Yes I understand now looking at the picture they are not the normal Anti-Tesco Nogs, unfortunately Tesco don’t provide dominoes and Shackletons high seat chairs neither do they provide Glenn Miller music or allow Waltzes. These types of ANTI groups are ANTI everything that has to do with any kind of change. Normally a minority in the community that have nothing better to do. What does POT mean Pensioners On the Tango.(Tango as in the OLD dance)..

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    MickB1

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • WELL SAID..... Tea&Biscuits How can you argue with that...? You can't. It's ANTI-TESCO and that's all it is..!

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    MickB1

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • If it's not about being anti-Tesco, why is the group called Pakefield Opposing Tesco (POT)?

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    Tea&Biscuits

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • Hiding behind names "The pot calling the kettle black" --- "Huddersfieldman......" So if its not about being Anti-Tesco answer me this..If a local man were to open a Convenience shop here would you be against it then....????

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    YesToWind&Solar

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • Well said Huddersfieldman. Support for the individual and local democracy in action.

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    NorCas

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • I would just like to say to the petty name calling group of people on here, grow up! I think its just a little bit of jealousy because we are winning and WILL win. It is not about Tescophobia at all it is allowing supermarkets to come stomping in which the group is against. We live in a "democracy", POT is merely expressing the right to free speech. If some of these people on here hiding behind fake names which to start a YES group then do so. It is your right.

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    Huddersfieldman

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • Oh dear, once again our local council tries make themselves look good by going against common sense, planning law and all evidence put before them knowing all to well that if Tesco launch a judicial review they wont have a leg (or Hotel) to stand on anyway (yet again), making it look like someone else has forced the decision thus keeping them looking squeaky clean come election time! Well played! Unfortunately for Pensioners Opposing Tesco Nimby group and Mr Bob (il do anything for votes) Blizzard they are still only delaying the inevitable. If by some obserd chance it does get to planning stage I am half tempted to personally launch a petition in Tesco's favour and lobby the council with it. I guarantee I will get more support than the POTty brigade!

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    ollie

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • The photo here is of the people who want to save the Tramway Hotel not the POT group. The CLUE is in the name refers to the Certificate of Lawful Use Existing application which was successfully passed last night. The Tramway Hotel is a building of mixed use and has been since it was built in 1904. If the people of Pakefield want to fight to Save the Tramway Hotel it is their right to do so, it doesn't mean they are anti Tesco although I highly suspect most of them now are. Well done to all involved in getting this Certificate passed and thanks to the Councillors who passed it. As for the critics on here, I presume you will carry on slagging these people off because you've obviously got nothing better to do! I have and I'm now off to do it!

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    Cruella

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • We have enough d@mn supermarkets, no more. PLEASE!

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    Kes

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • Yep, I also see the problem. Yes the “CLUE” is in the group picture….Nuff Said. We can all think of acronyms the CLUE is in the name…HOTEL, “Hope Our Tesco Eventually Lives”.

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    YesToWind&Solar

    Wednesday, August 13, 2014

  • What Jay really meant was "well done" to POT's for getting out and opposing yet another Tesco" takeover. but sadly he would rather put inane comments on here instead.

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    Tuesday, August 12, 2014

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