Drivers were stranded for hours last night after the county got caught out by heavy snowfall.

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But who, if anyone, is to blame?

Should snow ploughs have been sent out sooner? Were roads gritted enough? Should drivers had found alternative routes home? Did rail companies and Norwich Airport sufficiently prepare for the icy weather?

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83 comments

  • Still think Derek Murphy had something to do with this!

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    Marigold

    Friday, January 18, 2013

  • I just dont know whats the matter with people in Britain. They are like spoilt children. When I lived in Germany this weather disruption happened all the time. The results were just the same as here but people just did the best they could. Roads closed you could not get to work, but people just got on with it. there was none of this back biting going on. Its weather its not getting warmer but colder.Better get used to it. and grow up.

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    Johnny Norfolk

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Just seen some chap Tucker from NCC on Look East trying to defend the situation. He said routes had been gritted 4 to 5 times since the weekend. WHAT??? Rhymes with lying f***er.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that people seem to like the "cheap" Norfolk lifestyle but demand the expensive Nordic-Scandinavian-Germanic services. These wonderful places that can cope with extensive snowfalls are not cheap (by Norfolk standards) places to live.

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    expat

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I mentioned this yesterday, the City is in a basin so can't change that, the weather does what it like so can't change that. What could be changed is the county bus services sarting from the park and ride stations, which would help those with longer jouirneys to get home and keeping those services out of a cramped city center. The final one is teh constant reduction in roads in the City, closed down by the council so when a road is blocked or slow the traffic currently have no other options. You used to dodge from road to road and get away from trouble but not anymore and it's the road planners who are at fault there and the green party who think nobody in Norwich is aloud a car. Very short sighted approach in a growing City.

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    parkeg1

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I blame the weather and the numpties driving at 0 mph

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    david106

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Tis the winter weather to blame. However, a very big dollop of blame should also be dumped at the door of the UEA climatic research honchos,running amok with the MMGW scam and brainwashing council honchos that 'snow' is a thing of the past and the only threat we're all going to face are long hot sunny summers and soggy winters, no mention of 25,000 dying from the cold or major disruption from intense cold and blanket white outs.

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    nrg

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Who's to blame? Next article. Councillor responsible for roads say there has been calls for his resignation. Nuff said.

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    Electra

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I think it's disgusting that neither the roads OR the paths (for those that walk) have been gritted. People slipping and falling on the ice. Severe bruising for some and one a broken wrist!! Sort it out NCC we pay you enough each year. Use the money WISELY!!!!!!!!!

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    russmary

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I think it is wrong to try and point the blame at any one. I t is the combination of many factors. The gritters were doing their best, But they cannot grit when the roads are grid locked . Norwich has a lot of hills. Hence Grapes Hill closed. I spent nearly thirty years driving around Norwich, I spent many snowy days gridlocked. It was a pain, but It happens,The only thing I would say, Is some motorists go out when their journey could have been postponed. I must admit the best bit of this bad weather is seeing people out on sledges. It brings back child hood memories, alas too old to join the fun

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    lucy

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I don't think I have seen such a lot of fuss being made in a newspaper about such a little snow , such a short lived cold spell ( up to now) and such moderate temperatures .Apart from a couple of inconvenient dumps in terms of timing of several inches of snow this cold snap has been nothing exceptional in depth of snow, persistence of snow nor exceptionally low temperatures. The muddles have to be down to the way traffic circulates in a small area in Norwich, the way the Yare, Tas, Tud river valleys on the A47 always get hammered with heavy showers of rain or snow, lack of snow clearing equipment to tackle slip roads etc rather than relying on gritting, unrealistic expectations and inexperienced driving. I will concede that when we had real winters, Norwich was less congested, the traffic flow had not been messed up by the planners and more people relied on buses so the roads were a bit emptier. But the EDP has been over the top and verging on hysteria. Instead of loads of pictures and general tweets, an hour by hour a feature with clearly time marked status reports and comments from readers on the condition of the major and minor roads might have been useful -the highways and other agencies are often behind the event. As for the forecasts, any fool with a phone with web access can keep an eye on the satellite images and the rainfall observations to see how snow is tracking-heavy showers were forecast by some weather sites. The weatheroutlook site is a good one as is the USAAF site-they are usually right

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    Daisy Roots

    Sunday, January 20, 2013

  • Hey there julygirl, how much of an invetsment relative to RAF Coltishall? No concern evident on the affect of that acquisition on ratepayers. I am sure the vast majority would favour some additional investment to keep the roads clear over another white elephant any day.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • Well said WTH

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    Wendy Rice

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Various reasons for the chaos, but once again one of the major contributing factors is as soon as we get heavy snow during the day, people want to leave work and start heading home causing gridlock and trapping the gritters. Traffic in the morning seemed to be running quite well and obviously the council workers had done their bit during the night, but nothing much could be done with the amount of snow that fell in a very short time yesterday. If anything could be done, it would be to educate drivers to clear as much snow as possible from their vehicles BEFORE setting off and also some education on how to drive when conditions deteriorate - if the wheels are already spinning, pressing the accelerator isn't going to help you to regain traction.

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    Mr Ed

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Snow chaos in Norfolk, who is to blame? Jack Frost duh!

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    fester1902

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Who is to blame? It's called climate change with more and more extremes of weather to come. Whatever the cause, whether it be a natural cycle or as a result of man made emissions, we will have to get used to it.

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    Norfolk Lad

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • You would think that all roads to the hospital would have been absolutely cleared for patients and emergency - but no ! Cancelled appointments because of gridlock ! Someone was NOT doing their job! Disgraceful ! We are the laughing stock of the nation when it comes to snow falling, every time this happens, every time we are assured ' it won't happen again, lessons have been learned' - I don't think so ! Just a repeat performance!

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    Stop Press

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • As soon as the snow came on Tuesday lunchtime the exodus out of Norwich commenced - too many cars on the road at the same time! Unfortunately majority of us are now too reliant on our cars and majority of these are not built for snow - especially those rear-wheeled drive variants!

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    BA

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I live in Northern Ontario, we start getting cold and snow from October onwards until March April, even May some years, yet we never seem to have this problem. Oh sure the highways get closed some times due to blowing snow and whiteouts, but as soon as the snow stops the plows are out and the saltersanders close behind and within 24 to 36 hours the highways are clear, and we get on average 3 and a half metres of snow over the course of a winter season. One of the things we have thro is that between November and April, there is no parking on streets so snow clearing can take place....

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    canuk

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Who is to blame? Er.....the weather?

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    beeston bump

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • D'oh!!! mr horn, I've read the last 5 ippc reports from 1992, we're all going to fry and the fluffy polar bears and little puppies are going to drown. My hobby is bringing this scam to an end, so I do all my research and get as much information as I can about these scamsters of the uea.....google Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

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    nrg

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Oh and bus lanes.

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    Rorping

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • For all of you having a go at folk going in to work by car. My other half was told in no uncertain terms he was expected in no matter what. He has to drive as starts at six and no buses serve his work. He was lucky as his shift ended at 2pm but he he didn't get caught in chaos. I dread to think how many of his colleagues did. I bet there are lots of employers telling their staff if they want to keep their jobs then they have to come in. I'm a manager and I ordered staff not to put themselves at risk, if its too dangerous stay at home. So spare a thought for folk who had no choice.

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    norfolkdumpling

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Obviously the weather had something to do with. But forecasts were generally accurate and I believe a lot of ill-advised journeys were being made. Gritters cannot operate on traffic-filled roads and a midday snowstorm is bound to cause major problems. The technology now exists for most people and schoolchildren to remain occupied with some of their normal work for a day or two. Having said that, many people have factory and outdoor work jobs, work in shops, hospitals and public transport so there will always be a large number of unavoidable traffic movements for which better preparations need to be made. More grit bins on hills and roundabouts [with operatives to spread salt and assist traffic] and smaller spreaders might have made a big difference to Norwich yesterday helping to keep vehicles moving. Of course, failing to ensure that there is an adequate public transport network is largely to blame for the present chaos - so many places in Norfolk are virtually cut off unless people drive and once they've got a car they're not going to go back to the buses and trains [partly because there aren't any!].

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    JCW

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • (Sigh!) It is not grit, it is crushed rock salt. It works by melting the ice as it passes into solution. It will not work on large quantities of icesnow or at a temperature of -5C. “Ye canna break the laws of physics”. If you want to shovel it away do you shovel it from the pavement onto the road, or from the road onto the pavement? It is possible to buy plastic crampons for your wellies and chains for your tires. Too expensive for a few days a year? Think of the highways department in a time of austerity.

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    The Fortean

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Motorists should stay off the roads where possible. They should know by now that this county is run by a bunch of penny-pinching service-cutting budget manipulators who will not grit the roads adequately. We've had snow like this, or worse, for the past 4 winters and the same problems each time.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • The great Norwich traffic dog's breakfast doesn't help! road closures,road humps and particularly the closure of castle meadow to through traffic meant in slippery conditions small inclines could not be climbed. Meanwhile on the railways our Mickey mouse train system seizes up at the fall of the first snowflake,our third world little county can't really cope with a few inches of snow!

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • when 'we' read a couple of weeks ago that Norwich City Council have agreed to spend £124,000 on computer tablets i cant help wonder if this money would be better spent on grit and wheelbarrows

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    pubmandave

    Sunday, January 20, 2013

  • What amused me on Look east last night straight after the who is to blame why did it happen was a report on why norfolk hadnt built its target of 25000 new homes. thats 25000+ more cars on the roads and I ll stick my neck out here cant see there being any improvement in the road infra structure..!

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    caleb

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • @elsie157 - Norfolk Police sent a tweet saying to clear out snow from vehicles and clear out windscreen. I saw a few police cars driving along with the snow still on them! So if they are not doing it, no one would... always happens every year.

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    Tony Sutton

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Police Commissioner - probably at least on par for costs with Coltishall. Coltishall at least has a chance of generating some income in the way of rents, solar power etc. Snow equipment would likely lie idle 360 days of the year, and would need replacement in a fairly short time frame.

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    julygirl

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • The only way to avoid this is to invest millions in snow equipment which will only be used once or twice a year. This would add a lot to the rates bill, so the council has to try to balance the problem of the occasional gridlock against people having to pay a lot more rates. There'd soon be complaints if the bills went up. In case you're wondering, no I'm not connected to the Council, but I do realise they have difficult choices to make.

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    julygirl

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • Our country is to blame ! We are just not used to these conditions, thats why numpties ( as david106 like to put it ) drive at 0mp ! and yes I was a numpty yesterday driving at 10mph because my wheels were spinning but I think the bigger numpties were those hugging my rear wanting to go faster ! I dont know about others but it was impossible to remove all of the snow from my car as it was frozen solid and even a scraper wouldnt touch it let alone a sweeping brush. If our country had these conditions every year we would adapt to it, we don't have laws for the use of winter tyres here but that would be a start. Employers need to be a little more considerate too, I know of several people who got a nasty response for not being able to get into work because of the gridlock yesterday afternoon.

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    poppy

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Lucy i agree with you, my employer expects me in and if I get in I am expected to drive around the area delivering newspapers and to be on time as well, even if there is 6ft of snow we have to go out.. our customers even moan when we are late due to bad weather. tonight I have to drive 110 mile round trip back to Norwich and no excuse wil be excepted. they don't know yet but the first hill I get stuck and I will throw the towel in..

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    Footyboy16

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • The weather is to blame and the fact that people panic the moment snow starts to fall. If everyone had kept to their normal hours and not rushed home when the snow fell, the grit would've have a chance to be spread and get working. Instead all the extra traffic just caused the snow to compact and the salt then becomes pointless. Drivers need to accept that they will need more time, be prepared with fuel and warm clothing and just calm down.

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    Hoohaa

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • What amused me on Look east last night straight after the who is to blame why did it happen was a report on why norfolk hadnt built its target of 25000 new homes. thats 25000+ more cars on the roads and I ll stick my neck out here cant see there being any improvement in the road infra structure..!

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    caleb

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • Quite right parkeg1, as the green numpties get more roads closed off traffic has fewer options and unsurprisingly gridlock results. A friend reports he took 5 hours to travel from eaton park to longwater yesterday afternoon

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    marty r

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I blame god

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    robotsthatcare

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I have been informed it is actually an offence to drive with snow left on the roof of a car. I personally do not think enough sand was used in the grit mixture. Strange how a well used road like the A47 such be in such an icy condition, when others were not.

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    Jane Bradley

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • look at peopls tyres theres 50% of your problem , summer and all year tyres loose 30-50% of there grip once the temp goes below 5 deg c , at minus 10 with snow and ice there as good as slicks , people will spend a fortune on tv's , stereo's ect but don't use there brain when it comes to there car and safety , winter tyres give you added grip , you still drive slowly but safely and they give you a better braking distance as well . drivers need educating as much as the council.

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    gazza

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • One thing that hasn't been mentioned at all on the news is drivers who hadn't cleared piles of snow from their cars. Many inches of snow on bonnets a roofs was either dropping off the front or rear of vehicles, only to be compressed onto the road surface, agrivating the solid compacted snow. This definatly didn't help matters in the city and I think more should be mentioned about it. All that is needed is a long handled soft broom and an extra few minutes before moving your vehicle!

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    elsie157

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Some of the scenes were more entertaining then television, but where I saw most problems there used to be a grit bin on the corner and one further up the road....Not anymore though????

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    WTH

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • found it all rather exciting, made a nice change from my normal, serene, problem free commute from Earlham to Thorpe St Andrew. Particularly good fun seeing Audi drivers displaying their normal impaccable levels of skill behind the wheel. Bring it on! Oh yes, I blame everything and everyone so neugh!.

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    frank young

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I think it's disgusting that neither the roads OR the paths (for those that walk) have been gritted. People slipping and falling on the ice. Severe bruising for some and one a broken wrist!! Sort it out NCC we pay you enough each year. Use the money WISELY!!!!!!!!!

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    russmary

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Plus-if the city was gridlocked by stupidity, where were the police sorting it out by directing traffic? Never seems to happen nowadays, a police man directing traffic to resolve short term congestion problems. GY can be log jammed by idiocy , people sat in jams for ages, but no one walks the100 yards from Howard Street police station to try to sort it out.

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    Daisy Roots

    Sunday, January 20, 2013

  • I think everyone was caught out by the weather, but it didnt help that some car drivers showed little courtesy for others. My wife was stuck behind a boy racing idiot, who kept trying to speed in the snow. Idiot's like that no-one needs in this weather

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    markt74

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • We should all work together when we receive snow like this. In Germany its a legal requirement to clear snow from the public paths outside of your house, maybe we should adopt this. Would be easier for people to get about! Self help!

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    mattc1

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I'm not saying we should spend loads, we hardly see the stuff, just show some British spirit and get on with it. I walked, saw some poor driving skills on show, but where I saw cars have most trouble were at little hill junctions that used to have the 'Grit' box nearby, little things like calling and diverting the road cleaning staff to these points to spread grit etc., such as the likes of Rose Lane etc...but there is no 'Grit' boxes anymore.

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    WTH

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • I agree Norfolk Dumpling, I have worked for companies where they expected you in what ever the weather, I struggle to comprehend this logic, When I was working full time, I had to travel several miles over some of the the most rural roads imaginable. I had my share of slips and spills. In the end I refused to travel. Since working part time I can choose. I have taken the next two days off as holiday, because the roads are so bad. My question to employers who insists people travel in bad weather, is would you rather me miss a days work, or in extreme circumstances . do you want to attend my funeral..Common sense has to prevail

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    lucy

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • A large number of contributors are preaching the gospel of personal responsibility, what they do not realise is that, “I’ve paid my taxes and ‘they’ should do something about it” (look up “irony”) Crushed rock salt (it is not “grit”) will not work on 10cm of snow at -5C, that’s just physics. That’s assuming someone can get through to apply it!

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    The Fortean

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Snow chaos in Norfolk: Who is to blame? Tom Bristow Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:15 AM Should drivers had found alternative routes home.

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    Rorping

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I cannot believe the comments here .. a little bit of snow for petes sake.. go back to the winter of 63' watch the snow train video on YouTube .. they didn't need ploughs .. they stripped to their vests and shovelled their way out

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    Wendy Rice

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • To "The Fortean", thanks for opening my eyes up to the fact that what they put on the roads isn't grit! Ya think?! Jeeze! I guess we should start calling them the 'crushed rock salters' instead if grifters?!

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    nicola Allen

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • The snowfall stopped at 1.30 yesterday, leaving the council a good couple of hours to get the gritters out. Instead they leave it 15:45 to send them out. The council are to blame. And we are. And the weather. And Ipswich Town Football Club.

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    Whiley Boy

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Could be the weather this time - unpredictable and very low sequence of temperatures and events. So low now that even the grit will freeze. Anyway I go with those who think too many of us cannotshould not drive in these conditions. Pictures show drivers with too much power on, even the bus drivfer had full lock on when people wer trying to push him - does he not understand how much extra friction he was causing? And everyone pushing a vehicle, especially a bus needs to remember - it could slip back... Still, give the anti-Norfolk brigae a few laughs... what, too hilly in NORFOLK!!!!!

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    Richard Woods

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I was stuck behind a Norfolk Green bus which was having real difficulty in getting traction and was slithering all over the place. Wonder why bus companies don't fit their vehicles with winter tyres?

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    Betty Swallocks

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • It is winter and we should expect snow around this time of year. As for traffic chaos, the larger the population the more cars there are.

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    Port Watcher

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Who's to blame ? Any driver who has not prepared themselves or their vechcle for the forecast conditions. How many have fitted winter tyres ? How many carry snow socks or chains ? How many even know how to drive in snow and ice. ? Little sympathy

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    drivenmad

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • It really annoy me to see headlines like this.. I for one spent 8 hours getting home from the riverside to queens hill, i left at 12:30 just as the snow started to get heavy and it took me 5 hours to just to get to the A11 roundabout on the ring road past Notcuts, I dont blame anyone! Its not like the council, or any council have a fleet of 10000+ gritters to do all the roads, Norfolk is a big place, and the gritters have to travel through the traffic, and go with the flow to get to where is needed, they dont instantly appear! And i saw at least 3 gritters throughout the morning on the ring road west of the city. The snow at lunch come in my opinion quite quick, i think everyone shopping etc was just interested in getting home, hence the gridlock there was, i cant see how people expect gritters and snow ploughs to get through with all the cars gridlocked, it was bad enough trying to move to let ambulances pass! I think these days when things like this happen its always the councils fault, but they probably was doing all they could in the 2000sq miles Norfolk is... FIN

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    Carl of Norwich

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Problems started with misleading weather forecast on BBC Radio Norfolk around 0710hrs talking of "scattered snow showers" One would think with modern technology tracking of weather fronts such as the one that brought the snow would have given early warning to the gritting teams enabling them to deliver a pre-emptive strike. Truth of the matter is that a lack of co-ordination between the various agencies was a major factor. Listening to the feeble response from Mr Tupper(where!) the chap responsible at Norfolk County Council when he was interviewed by Matt Gudgeon early evening it was clear that such co-ordination had not taken place. Will lessons be learnt? They always say they will be they rarely are! Heads should role with Mr Tupper and Mr Seago along with the Councillor who has overall responsibility.

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    Sweeney

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Human nature is such these days that we always seem to need to blame someone. At the end of the day, the weather is to blame! These days many businesses equip themselves with IT systems which enable people to work remotely. While conditions are bad, then if those who are able to work from home in this way did so, it would be easier for those who do jobs which simply cannot be done from home to get to work.

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    Row71

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Yesterday just after midday it snowed for 2 hours in Norwich very heavily. http:www.youtube.comwatch?v=EnAbTekvWeA It was pretty obvious that driving was going to be difficult, so what did everyone do??? Got into their cars.... the result was a forgone conclusion.

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    NR4

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • For all of you having a go at folk going in to work by car. My other half was told in no uncertain terms he was expected in no matter what. He has to drive as starts at six and no buses serve his work. He was lucky as his shift ended at 2pm but he he didn't get caught in chaos. I dread to think how many of his colleagues did. I bet there are lots of employers telling their staff if they want to keep their jobs then they have to come in. I'm a manager and I ordered staff not to put themselves at risk, if its too dangerous stay at home. So spare a thought for folk who had no choice.

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    norfolkdumpling

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • A lot should be put down to the drivers who block traffic trying to pass across roundabouts and junctions, not allowing traffic to join from side roads.

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    Rorping

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • And for "Who's to Blame" - the planners and also the gritters. (NorfolkCC and Highways Agency) They have snow plow fitted on the front of the gritters. But they were not using it. Snow was not cleared out on the A11 & A47, including local roads in Norwich. Had they used their snow plow, it would have reduced the risk of ice and the gritter would be able to spread on them easily.

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    Tony Sutton

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • The only ones affected are the commuter chic, and they are the ones to blame for the commuter gridlock. Self fullfilling really.

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    expat

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • For all of you having a go at folk going in to work by car. My other half was told in no uncertain terms he was expected in no matter what. He has to drive as starts at six and no buses serve his work. He was lucky as his shift ended at 2pm but he he didn't get caught in chaos. I dread to think how many of his colleagues did. I bet there are lots of employers telling their staff if they want to keep their jobs then they have to come in. I'm a manager and I ordered staff not to put themselves at risk, if its too dangerous stay at home. So spare a thought for folk who had no choice.

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    norfolkdumpling

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • The biggest problem is with the meatheads who seem incapable of driving when we have a dusting of snow. Every year we see the same idiots blocking every junction and roundabout as they seem to think that normal driving procedures go out of the window when snow is on the road. If you can't see to exit a junction then don't enter it! Don't queue in traffic where you're blocking other roads coming onto & exiting roundabouts! If people just drove with courtesy & proper attention the roads would clear normally.

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    Tudor Bushe

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Snow chaos in Norfolk: Who is to blame? Tom Bristow Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:15 AM Should drivers had found alternative routes home.

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    Rorping

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I agree with previous posters on here- this obsession with one way systems and road closures is what causes this gridlock as there are no alternative routes if there is a broken down vehicle or the like of Rose Lane are too icy to get up. We used to be able to turn around and find a different route, but now we are stuck for hours while everything backs up behind us. And for those who say use public transport- it wasn't even running yesterday and when it does run it is inadequate, expensive and unreliable.

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    Fluffy Cat

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Well I went with my wife to the Norfolk and Norwich hospital yesterday afternoon and we live in Costessey at it took us over an hour, and we couldn't believe what we saw on the Watton road from the BUPA hospital traffic lights up the N&N traffic lights there were 5 buses which had just parked up causing traffic jams like no other, the roads had not been treated and the council's policy is to do bus routes and AmbulanceHospital routes as top priority, no one could get up the inclines to the hospital and the hospital was cut off. ambulances could not get in or out, totally gridlock..the council should be brought to count.. some hospital staff could not get home and stayed at the hospital all night along with visitors.. what a JOKE Norfolk's main hospital cut off. we were trapped there for 4 hours !!!!

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    Footyboy16

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Yesterday on my journey home I saw how a problem at one location affects others. A long line of cars along the Watton Road heading out of town to the A47 junction. Back all the way up to Fiveways roundabout. Nothing could get out of Colney Lane to head west. Normally traffic would be nearly nose to tail, and take up less room but once you allow extra space for safety (and a very good idea) then the tailback lengthens dramatically. On the Watton Road heading in buses were parked up but not so to cause a blockage. Going up inclines is hairy in these conditions. Winter tyres are a good idea but expensive and where do you keep them the other 11 months of the year. And do you pay a tyre fitters to swap them for you or buy extra wheels and change them yourself?

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    G_of_Norwich

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Let's get real ... Snow is nobody's fault ... Years ago snow fell and stayed for 2 weeks or more ... The river Thames froze and the river Yare and there was 6 - 9 inches or more of snow... We just got on with life young and old ... Today nowhere near as much snow and only lasts a few days ... Whats the problem... Just use commonsense like we did years ago .. And do not make so much fuss about it all .. It will make no difference ... Just deal with it ... And do not be so soft... Expect and be ready is the clever way...to cope.... Remember it is not as bad as those poor people with their houses flooded with 2 feet of water .. Now they do have a major problem .. Than just 3 inches of snow... In Norwich...?.. You all know what chaos snow causes to traffic and footpaths ... So act accordingly to avoid trouble ... Just take care.... Remember post people still go out in ALL weathers .. So think on...!.. And do not blame anyone else but yourself if you do not treat snow with respect...

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    Lionel

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • yes not a path gritted,no access to grit bins,elderly people crashing to the ground,who would believe this is st stephens norwich a FINE CITY to treat the ratepayers in this manner!The snow was no surprise its been talked about for at least a week

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    mel piper

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I thought they said 'Grit' on the yellow boxes and contained some kind of sand for griptraction as well as salt to dissolve the snowice, Fortean has taught me something, must be council with there attitude though...To mention Austerity with councils, how many years have you been throwing the money away before the recession? Government don't care about money, they spend it and you pay or jail!(If cared you would stop tax avoidance)

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    WTH

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Various reasons for the chaos, but once again one of the major contributing factors is as soon as we get heavy snow during the day, people want to leave work and start heading home causing gridlock and trapping the gritters. Traffic in the morning seemed to be running quite well and obviously the council workers had done their bit during the night, but nothing much could be done with the amount of snow that fell in a very short time yesterday. If anything could be done, it would be to educate drivers to clear as much snow as possible from their vehicles BEFORE setting off and also some education on how to drive when conditions deteriorate - if the wheels are already spinning, pressing the accelerator isn't going to help you to regain traction.

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    Mr Ed

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I'm not saying we should spend loads, we hardly see the stuff, just show some British spirit and get on with it. I walked, saw some poor driving skills on show, but where I saw cars have most trouble were at little hill junctions that used to have the 'Grit' box nearby, little things like calling and diverting the road cleaning staff to these points to spread grit etc., such as the likes of Rose Lane etc...but there is no 'Grit' boxes anymore.

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    WTH

    Thursday, January 17, 2013

  • nrg...** " very big dollop of blame should also be dumped at the door of the UEA climatic research honchos,running amok with the MMGW scam " ..** Yes , that's right the UEA caused it to snow. A reminder here that nrg ( aka Norton and Joanna Grey ) was the man who broke the news to the world that the Chilean miners were never trapped underground but were living it up at the Santiago Hilton in what was apparently a gigantic scam. That is the state of mind we are dealing with here. Open the cage !

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    LARSON.E. WHIPSNADE

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Obviously the weather had something to do with. But forecasts were generally accurate and I believe a lot of ill-advised journeys were being made. Gritters cannot operate on traffic-filled roads and a midday snowstorm is bound to cause major problems. The technology now exists for most people and schoolchildren to remain occupied with some of their normal work for a day or two. Having said that, many people have factory and outdoor work jobs, work in shops, hospitals and public transport so there will always be a large number of unavoidable traffic movements for which better preparations need to be made. More grit bins on hills and roundabouts [with operatives to spread salt and assist traffic] and smaller spreaders might have made a big difference to Norwich yesterday helping to keep vehicles moving. Of course, failing to ensure that there is an adequate public transport network is largely to blame for the present chaos - so many places in Norfolk are virtually cut off unless people drive and once they've got a car they're not going to go back to the buses and trains [partly because there aren't any!].

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    JCW

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • The council gritters were out in force all day yesterday but the snow at lunchtime, combined with people leaving early and not clearing their cars properly (as mentioned by elsie) meant the grit was covered and didnt get a chance to work. Not only that but people didnt help by blocking the gritters. I followed one home on Aylsham Road last night. Another problem was the sharp quick drop in temperature around 4pm, in an hour we went from 1or 2c to -3c meaning a dangerous layer of ice quickly formed on the roads, the gritters couldnt get round because of the gridlock and because the traffic wasnt moving there was nothing to melt it. Not to boast, but it only took me 30 mins to drive home :o)

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    Piranha24

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • I mentioned this yesterday, the City is in a basin so can't change that, the weather does what it like so can't change that. What could be changed is the county bus services sarting from the park and ride stations, which would help those with longer jouirneys to get home and keeping those services out of a cramped city center. The final one is teh constant reduction in roads in the City, closed down by the council so when a road is blocked or slow the traffic currently have no other options. You used to dodge from road to road and get away from trouble but not anymore and it's the road planners who are at fault there and the green party who think nobody in Norwich is aloud a car. Very short sighted approach in a growing City.

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    parkeg1

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Who is to blame???? what I question its the weather we knew this weather was on its way and yet people still drive to work and other places, it should be if you can WALK to work then WALK if you cant walk then don't even try getting in, if people listened to the weather forecast then maybe they would have been prepared for it, people don't no how to drive in this weather because we don't really get the experience to drive in it

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    mnmb

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Obviously nrg you've never read anything about the global warming scenario - it predicts more extremes of weather and not long hot summers for a start!

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    Lord Horn

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

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