Senior Conservatives accuse Tory MPs over Norfolk incinerator

The proposed incinerator site at Saddlebow. Picture: Ian Burt. The proposed incinerator site at Saddlebow. Picture: Ian Burt.

Monday, October 21, 2013
8:15 PM

Two senior Conservative councillors have accused the county’s MPs of kicking the people of Norfolk in the teeth by lobbying for the waste credits for the proposed incinerator to be withdrawn.

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Ian Monson, former cabinet member for environment and waste, and Cliff Jordan, former cabinet member for efficiency, both sent emails criticising MPs after last week’s announcement that the government was cancelling the £169m in waste credits it had awarded to the county council to help pay for an incinerator at King’s Lynn.

Mr Monson emailed South West Norfolk MP Elizabeth Truss saying she and fellow MPs had “kicked the people of Norfolk in the teeth”.

He wrote: “What an absolute disaster you and your fellow Norfolk MPs have caused by lobbying for the cancellation of this waste grant.

“You have directly kicked the people of Norfolk in the teeth by putting in the boot. Mark my words, you will not be forgiven for this.

“You may crow about it now but it will eventually come back to bite you. All Norfolk taxpayers will now have to find this extra funding to dispose of our future waste.

“This is the worst type of political manoeuvring without due consideration of the consequences.”

Mr Monson confirmed he had sent the email, but did not want to comment further.

Mr Jordan’s email, sent to fellow Conservatives, called for the county’s Tory MPs to stand for re-selection. In it he wrote: “They’ve done a disservice to the Conservatives and Norfolk in general. It’s absolute treachery. There are a lot of real Conservatives really angry with them.”

He added tonight that he believed the MPs had been “more concerned about their own constituencies” than in looking after the best interests of the whole of Norfolk.

Meanwhile, Nick Daubney, leader of West Norfolk council has written to the county’s eight MPs and the leaders of the county’s six district councils and county council leader George Nobbs, calling for urgent talks about how to deal with waste in the future.

Mr Daubney said he believed the right approach would be to approach central government for financial assistance.

“I believe we have a real opportunity to put past differences behind us and come together to concentrate on the future,” he said.

“My personal view is that even as I write this then we as council leaders should be in London talking to Defra about assistance.”

But county council leader George Nobbs said: “Nick Daubney should know by now that there is no extra money available. From the day my predecessor signed the contract there’s never been a way out of this that didn’t involve a heavy cost.”

County councillors are due to debate the scheme’s future at a meeting on Monday, although senior councillors say they believe the plant should still go ahead.

The county council now has to choose between paying for the plant itself, or paying more than £20m in compensation to Cory Wheelabrator, the consortium behind the incinerator.

62 comments

  • I know it’s almost the start of panto season, but can no one else see this is simply a crude Govt plot to bring down the ‘rainbow alliance’ at NCC, ultimately allowing it to impose a Tory administration by the back door?

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    Mr Cameron Isaliar

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • Are these whiners 2 of the contract signatories per chance? What's Borat's view, or has he skipped the country already? “This is the worst type of political manoeuvring without due consideration of the consequences.” Pardonez moi? Surely this is standard Tory party antics. DaveCam would be proud of them, I mean, look at the reckless way he let Chloe Smith resign without putting up any fight whatsoever to persuade her to stay. Then again, rumour has it she was so useless he couldn't wait to offload her. Anyway, it's not as if the MPs have done anything; they are just bandwagoning in their usual desperately opportunist way. LOL

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    Mr Cameron Isaliar

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Cliff Jordan said he believed the MPs had been more concerned about their own constituents than looking after the best interests of the whole of Norfolk. Someone should remind Cliff Jordan that every MP is against this big white elephant so that would mean the whoe of Norfolk is totally against incineration. If Jordan, Monson and Borrett want a waste incinerator they can have it, but I am sure their neighbours would complain. I urge every councillor to ignore Cliff Jordan, Ian Monson and Bill Borrett and say NO to the Flinstones incinerator there is no way Eric Pickles would give it planning now. King's Lynn is to far away from where most of the waste is produced and is on a floodplain, if you don't say No to the revised plan Monday 28th meeting you will be voting for it in your own backyard. Snetterton Coltishall or Great Yarmouth would be Wheelabrator's prime targets now. It is time for everyone to wake up to reality and say No. We don't want a waste incinerator anywhere in Norfolk.

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    Jack

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • I see that some posting here are wondering who should pay the compensation that was agreed by people who should not have agreed it. May I refer you to Local Authorities (Indemnity for Councillors and Officers) Order 2004 which shows that both officers and councillors have to carry insurance. They don't advertise that do they? And don't think for one moment that fleeing off to the west country will mean that those who were deeply involved in the construction of this contract will escape scrutiny. It's in the same jurisdiction as Norfolk!

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • The council will not go bust, lets have alook at the spread sheet after all it is public money. Its all scare tactics by officers and its obvious

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    Sweet cheeks

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • Truth is that the new Councillors have no idea what they are doing and rely on advice all day every day. No one becomes an expert in running something the size of NCC overnight. To actually put a bunch of complete novices in charge would prove fatal to any large organisation. We have all seen what happens when the chimps are left in charge of the zoo. Thank goodness for the qualified and well trained Officers who know what to do. What this council needs is an experienced Councillor at the helm with 20 or 30 years behind them. That will be something that will be seen to very soon.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Would you trust your begonia's to Cliff Jordan? What a farce comment by these two jokers, both heavily implemented in the cabinets isolated decision to sign the contract, witholding all debate from councillors and failing to allow scrutiny into their scheming. Officers and councillors breached the regulations as they were agreed in the PFI, the goal posts have changed regards recycling, and if that is a kick in the teeth its Cllr. Jordan, Cllr. Borretts and Cllr. Monson's gnashers that are being reassembled, they kicked each other and the people of Norfolk in the teeth, nowt to do with the bandwaggoning MP's.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Please don't paint me with the same brush as you "Mike". Who was this 'computer expert'? Ronald McDonald? We can all see that you are trying hard to discredit the anti-incineration campaign as hard as you can which can only mean one thing - you're the one who is running scared, no-one else. Maybe you'd like to change usernames and start agreeing with yourself again as you did further down this comment thread?

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    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • I smell a rat..... or two.

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    democrat

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Obviously Fenscape has no idea what he is talking about.

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    Sidelinesally

    Friday, October 25, 2013

  • This isn't and never has been about Tory or any other party's policies. It's been about NIMBYism versus the common good. Not surprisingly, NIMBYism has won because it makes for much noisier local politics than the boring old common good. I'm looking forward to what happens when the full NCC votes against and then the LabLibDem Cabinet decides to go ahead anyway...

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    Jack1956

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • I suppose by Senior Conseratives the EDP mean elderly cant be anything else. Iffy is no longer cabinet member for efficiency LOL and Monson is no longer Chairman. They are old both senior citizens though.

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    Canary Boy

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • Oh dear...could this be the last hurrah of Messrs Jordan and Monson..?..desperately seeking something...backs against the wall and nowhere to go. Jordan says alot of conservatives are 'really angry with them'....REALLY??!!! Which conservatives are those then..?! And Monson on the radio this morning.....hopefully the last air time he gets....all symptomatic of rats leaving a sinking ship. Thankfully there are a few good eggs left in the Conservative basket in Norfolk who helped intitiate this latest coup, that might be able to resurrect some integrity back into local politics and stymie the impotent Labour leader and his ridiculous coalition on their ridiculous course of action. I sense we are finally in the end game.

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    Scooby

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • What Central Government has given George is, in fact, a gift. Defra pulling the plug on the Waste Infrastructure Grant (formerly PFI) means Norfolk County Council can get out of the contract, at the end of the month, for the minimum penalty. What we are not being told is that County Hall has the financial reserves to afford this course of action. If Cabinet decides to continue with the project they must consider that the financial and political stakes are extremely high. The odds are not in the incinerators favour. NCC will haemorrhage cash in legal fees, delays and failed contractual obligations, if they persist in this madness. George the question is “Are you the saint who kills the dragon or the Dr Frankenstein who reanimates a monster?”

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    Kadmos

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Some people seem to think council tax will soar, not true. It cannot increase more than 1.9% with out a referendum, otherwise the council loose money from central government. Nobbs confirmed this at the last council meeting. It was a breach of the terms and conditions that lost them the 169m, fact. Monsoon & iffy don't seem to want to take responsibility for their previous administration for this mess. Who are they going to blame when Eric Pickles ends their dream once and for all? It's just a matter of time.

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    Bikerboy

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • From listening to Radio Norfolk today it seems that almost all are against the incinerator. The interesting thing is that time after time the previous county council was blamed. These were the opinions of Joe (and Josephine) Public. I am amazed that they are so well versed.

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    democrat

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Bellingham didn't sign the contract and Bellingham wasn't responsible for the breach which led to the withdrawal of the PFI credits either. It's the pre-determined county councillors who are the true enemies of the people here, not the MPs. Still making things up as you go along I see...

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    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • "Fen" you seem to be another of those conspiracy theorists who thinks no one is allowed a view except yours. Using multiple names is something that can be checked. You appear to be the guilty party not I. What does come as a surprise is why you are using one set of names on the pro side and another on the anti side ? Is it to argue with yourself ? Now that does suggest boredom. To each his own as they say.

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    Mike Hunt

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • What saddens me fenscape is that you seem to be one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks no one is allowed any views except yours. Using multiple names is something that can be checked and it is you who appears to be the guilty party not I. What does come as a surprise is why you are using one set of names on the one side and another on the anti side ? Why do you argue with yourself ? Now that to me does suggest boredom but to each their own as they say.

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    Mike Hunt

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • I am no political animal just someone who cant abide negligent use of public money or those who abuse process so can someone tell me what a - lefty- is? Presumably Di.ckens is a - righty and thinks everyone else should be like him. Hope I am a lefty.

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    Canary Boy

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • You are quite right Canary Boy. Odd that it's two former cabinet members that are sending out the angry emails. And MP's concerned about their constituents rather than the rest of the county? I thought the rest of the county had their own MP's to look after their issues. Oh, they do, and those MP's didn't think the incinerator was a good idea either.

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    Bikerboy

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Oh dear Dic%%^ns you are so far removed from reality. Lets see next week how far NCC are in favour of the incinerator. This is no longer about the incinerator..fait accompli I'm afraid..this is about their political survival..! Nobbs knows it....Jordan and Monson know it, Borrett knows it....they have been interested in themselves and their reputations all along and nothing else...! Nobbs, voted in on an anti incinerator ticket, is now saying he has to support it.....WHY???!!!...because of the £27mill bill NCC will have to foot..? Better than £670 mill...! It saddens me that you are still here, punching well above your weight....it's desperate....as desperate as a few councillors I know.....and a great example of the futility of life...!

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    Scooby

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Councillor Jordan, there is a name from the past! Norfolk’s Outer Harbour. He with his fellow cohorts squandered the £20million grants that was to bring Norfolk into the 21st century. Our MP’s have looked after the Ratepayer’s over the Incinerator, left to these councillors with their heads where the sun don’t shine they would just pat themselves on their back praising yet another cock-up

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    John L Cooper

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Henry is doing well. He has represented his constituency strongly and as I`ve said before I`m not a Tory. I agree, we are close to the endgame. Even the EDP has come out against the incinerator and the panic has started. It is now almost inconceivable it will be built

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    democrat

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • The denial in the Tory party continues.Until Norfolk's Tories show some remorse and apologise for neglect of our childrens' needs,as well as this fiasco,the Conservative party will remain toxic.They clearly have not learned any lessons from the May elections so can expect further losses next year too.

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    Peter Watson

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Di.ckens we actually agree on something! Excellent point you make about many councillors not knowing what they are doing, although I would dispute which ones fall into that category. Toby is a highly intelligent man as Nobbs has found out, I understand his background is in finance! Bearing in mind many of the old councillors are totally clueless, hence we are in the mess we are in, and Officers are clueless or on planet Zog parachuting in outside professional management, going into special measures, may just be the answer for Norfolk.

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    Canary Boy

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • NCC are still going forward with the incinerator. That project was never in doubt. The bad news being that some MPs, and Bellingham in particular, have used their influence to remove the funding which means the local people will have to foot the bill instead. Nice one Henry. What next ? Your own local party seem to despise you now. No prizes for guessing why. When the council tax goes off the scale to pay for your interference I trust local Conservatives will remember to remind the electorate of the reason why. You were taken in by a smart group of lefties and they will now dump you along with your own. I think they call it being a political outcast.

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    Dickens

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Children children, so much mud slinging. Just look at the facts. The majority of Norfolk's voting population do not want an incinerator. Regardless of their political persuasions, Bellingham & Truss are doing firstly and foremostly what they were elected for, representing their constituents.

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    Ded Sterile

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • I do not feel as though I have been kicked in the teeth by the MPs. I feel as though I have had the best dentist in Britain gently mend my teeth and the rest of my face after I have taken a terrible kicking from the Tory Councillors. Thank you all for whatever it was that you did but don't forget the campaigners who worked so tirelessly to protect us from these thugs. Let's hope the likes of Jordan and Monson and others are given their marching orders.

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    alecto

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Agree Canary - These councillors will blame anyone but themselves and they're obviously getting very 'jittery'. Wonder who will be next to do a disappearing act before the proverbial hits the fan?

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    Sandy.L

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Bellingham is no enemy certain members of NNC are, they are not worried about the voter in any way whats so ever

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    Sweet cheeks

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • Surely alecto is correct. If Councillors, supported by unelected officials' recommendations, signed a contract knowing that the money might not be provided by the government and against the wishes of the electorate who were, clearly, going to continue to oppose the project, there must be a question of maladministration which should be investigated. It is not just a potential question of an insurance claim (which might be rejected anyway if those concerned were negligent in their decision making) but has the potential for a surcharge on the individuals involved - or are such people no longer accountable for any proven negligence?

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    JB

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Democrat,, Nick Conrad Radio Norfolk started the show with the usual anti-bashing. I am certain he changed his views on the incinerator after Ian Monson opened his mouth on the news.

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    Interpol

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • As nothing but a Norfolk council tax payer, I am concerned that a number of MPs, NCC members, WNC members and others have managed to get our beautiful county into an extremely serious financial situation without any apparent solution. They have all been playing politics against each other for years whereas from the outset if they had all worked together for the common cause the outcome could have been so different. Now we council tax payers will end up paying for their blunderings in the form of £26m to CW and filling the gap of nearly £170m that the MPs have manipulated central government to take away from us to pay for an eventual solution to the waste problem. Who knows what that will be and how long it will take. What a bunch of febrile amatuers the lot of them are. The best thing that they could all do is to tender their resignations. Of course they won't do that because they're all far too interested in putting the saving of their own positions ahead of the needs of the county's residents, and slinging mud at each other as opposed to doing anything constructive.

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    Honest Injun

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Monson is rattled and rightly so. It is not Liz Truss that is responsible for skulduggery and treachery against the Norfolk taxpayer - for that he must look much much closer to home. The Turnip Taliban have much to answer for.

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    Friday, October 25, 2013

  • Just a couple of points of fact: The reason there was a "breach of terms" is that the planning permission was delayed, by Eric Pickles. Not NCC or CW. Next, Nick Daubney knows there is no more money from Defra. Their reason for withdrawing funds is that it is not needed to meet national landfill targets, in their opinion. They have ceased any funding. Also worth noting that the residents of Suffolk must be laughing. Having been in the same position as Norfolk 5 years ago they did exactly the same thing, awarded a near identical 25 year contract for an identical looking incinerator, near Ipswich. Now their plant is half built, opens up in a year and they will be saving over £10million a year. Oh, and they got £200 million from Defra, with no MPs opposing that! And another 27 councils got Defra funding. So Norfolk loses out again.

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    Communicator

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Cllrs Monson and Jordan are so out of touch with reality, many thousands of residents of Norfolk posted objections to Defra making them aware NCC & CW sent false and miss-leading information. They are inferring they were grassed up but still want an illegal grant and this is deception. They talk about political manoeuvring but Derrick Murphy was the master, ask Cllr Dobson, Cllr Long, Nick Daubney, Kevin Vaughan, ex CEO David White.

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    Interpol

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Despite all the moaning and groaning the council are still going to build so what a waste of time. Bellingham and his campaigners have made the council tax payers of Norfolk pick up the tab instead of DEFRA. How daft is that ?

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    Mike Hunt

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • About time someone told the truth about the MPs. Bellingham has been putting his nose where it does not belong and it will cost him dearly. It has already cost him the Deputy Speakers job and that is just for starters. The man is a loose cannon. He has done more to ruin local Conservatives than anyone. No doubt he will be on the phone yet again to the EDP. Pathetic.

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    Inactive account

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • sorry, sticky keyboard, some letters missing..;)

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Excuse me but the letter from Defra to George said the terms and conditions of the original award had been breached! The fault is not down to MPs but CWs or NCCs for the breach.

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    Canary Boy

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Those who signed this contract with a dubious operator that has a long pollution record, should be held responsible for conspiring to decrease the health of Kings Lynn's populatio. For denying Norfolk voters and cllr.s democratic debate and scrutiny. For using ulterior motives and backroom decision making to favour the most excpensive and worst option. For not having the guts to leave when they should have. Those who signed this defraudingt contract should be paying for the fraud, they should be investigated once the facts are know about the clauses.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • County councillor's are just alot of spoilt brats who can't get thete own way, the best of it is they are not important anymore but thay just haven't realised

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    Sweet cheeks

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Monson and Jordan think they can speak on behalf of the Norfolk people? Not for me they can't! They have as much consensus as Jackson had for the PFI. It is the likes of them who have ‘done a disservice to the Conservatives and Norfolk in general. It is they who have acted with absolute treachery and there are a lot of real Conservatives really angry with them. CW signed a contract they couldn’t possibly adhere to on timescale, they’ve been caught out, let them face the financial consequences.

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    Honest John

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Monday will not be going the way the anti campaign would like. It is a question of numbers and democracy. The vote was taken some time ago and everything else is in place. A few pounds from DEFRA is of no importance as the council tax payer will provide the shortfall instead over the next 25 years. Blame your MP and the campaigners. We cannot allow a council to go bust because of a silly little pressure group can we ?

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • isn't a it a bit rich for Iffy Cliffy to be crying 'foul'? “My personal view is that even as I write this then we as council leaders should be in London talking to Defra about assistance.” says Nobbs. Yes. And accompanied by each and every Norfolk MP, shoulder-to-shoulder despite their differences... this is a time for solidarity, a united front.

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • That`s a tad strong Scooby. There will be life after the incinerator is cancelled. Just as when the dinosaurs were wiped out after the meteorite hit earth, eventually more intelligent life will replace the current dinosaurs. Hopefully!

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    democrat

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Let's get a grip on the facts here. The PFIs were wrongly granted. I wrote letters to the previous Secretary of State backed up by documentation which showed to even a newly qualified solicitor that the PFIs could not be awarded. I know hundreds of equally knowledgeable people did the same. I was recently asked to provide that documentation again which shows that the new SofS was going over all the information that had originally been made available. So the PFIs have been correctly withdrawn, just late.

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • @democrat.....a tad strong...?!!!....perhaps I should apologise....sic....

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    Scooby

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Why our MPs have chosen to burden the tax payer with the build costs instead of allowing the council to have a grant of £169m is astonishing. I agree they appear to have been taken in by some left wing plot and Bellingham in particular seems to have fallen for it. The other thing that troubles me is that the Lynnnews seems to have anti incinerator protestors working for it which has led to a lot of biased reports most of which have been unfounded and is spoiling the papers reputation for balanced reporting.

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    Mike Hunt

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Why am I unsurprised to see Cliff Jordon is mentioned in this article? Cliff Jordan is a Councillors that do not care about what the people of Kings Lynn and the rest of Norfolk want. Even fellow Tories can clearly see the plan to build an incinerator is publicly hated. If the Conservative Party in Norfolk had any moral decency they should dump the likes of Jordan. He doesn't represent Norfolk people. Just himself.

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    HappisburghHarry

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • The time has come to dump Bellingham. The man has become the enemy of local Conservatives. He has caused nothing but trouble by siding with his new left wing chums over this.

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • That's very strange Mike. Wait till Monday, then you will see how many people there are against it.

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    Bikerboy

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • No matter how the madcap campaigners dress it up they, along with Bellingham, have set out to disrupt a County Council and attempted to prevent it in its lawful business. NCC could in fact take legal action against them. One of the results of Bellingham and his campaigners direct action is that local tax payers will have to pay out £169m instead of DEFRA to make up the shortfall. It is a spectacular own goal for the anti campaign and will be the end of this interfering MP who will find he has become an outcast in the homelands of Conservative Norfolk. He should have stayed in Westminster and not interfered in the smooth running of local politics which is not his remit.

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • As if it were just down to Bellingham and Truss? Shows how Monson and Iffy are going for the easy targets, I suppose they couldn't name the hundreds of people who wrote to Patterson. Are County Hall really so unaware of what is going on behind the scenes by campaigners - yes!

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Yes indeed it seems that HB is out of favour and finds himself in a bad place. NCC will make certain that the blame for the huge rise in council taxes is down to him and his band of left wing campaigners. Political suicide. Bye Henry.

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    Dickens

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • Fenscape seems to be making up names on both sides to argue with himself on this blog. I checked this with a computer expert who confirmed it. How odd is that ? Does this mean there is only one anti campaigner trying to fool us all into thinking he is a crowd?

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    Mike Hunt

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Dickens (today's b log) I agree the greatest novice of all was Murphy

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    maryjane

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • Monson and Jordan are a couple of has-beens; it's these two who should be standing for reselection... Disgruntled ex-cabinet members.... Sour.... Grapes..... These two should do the people of Norfolk a favour and stand down, and let those with some sense represent their respective council seats. As a Tory voter, I'm ashamed of them. Good on Liz Truss, need more like her!

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    Public Sector & Proud

    Monday, October 21, 2013

  • "Mike", what troubles ME is the fact that you still seem to be using a myriad of usernames to desperately try and prove consensus to build where none exists. As for the Lynn News, its not their editorial style that's at fault, it's the fact that they allow you and your mate a platform to rant on a minute by minute basis. Aren't you bored yet?

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    User Removed

    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

  • You consulted an IT expert about Fenscape? One day you will find out how hysterically funny that statement is.

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    alecto

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

  • How can Eric Pickles give planning when DEFRA has said there is no need for an insinarator?

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    Tuesday, October 22, 2013

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