The prime minister has said planning inspectors must “listen” to people campaigning against the proposed incinerator at Saddlebow.

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David Cameron made his comments when he was questioned on the issue by North West Norfolk MP Henry Bellingham at Prime Minister’s Questions in the House of Commons earlier today.

Mr Bellingham said: “Is the prime minister aware that last year there was a borough council run referendum in my constituency about locating an energy to waste incinerator on the edge of King’s Lynn.

“Is he also aware that on a 61pc turn out, 65,516 of mine and [Liz Truss MP’s] constituents voted ‘no’. This amounted to a staggering 92.7pc voting ‘no’.

“Does he agree with me that it is absolutely essential for local democracy and for localism that my constituents and these people are listened to?”

Mr Bellingham’s question comes after he last week accused Tory council chiefs in Norfolk of acting like “Soviet” party leaders, claiming they had not listened to public concern over the citing of the incinerator.

The issue has now been called in and will be the subject of a planning inquiry to start in February next year.

David Cameron responded: “I think it’s very important that the planning system does listen to local people and proper processes are followed. And I’m sure that he’ll work very hard in this case to make sure that happens.”

45 comments

  • Pentney Voice, everyone is entitled their own opinion, yours however shows you have not done any research into the harm to human health and the environment that incinerators are known to cause, and disgracefully covered up by the Department of Health and the Health Protection Agency, just as they did with asbestos, DDT, and currently doing with pharmaceutical drugs and vaccinations to name but a few. You also have no idea that there are alternatives to landfill, and much safer ones, including the new technology the Borough Council are going ahead with for West Norfolk. If a gun were loaded with what you were told was a 3 per cent chance of the bullet being in the chamber you selected, would you be happy to put it to your head and dismiss the likelihood of it as being insignificant, especially when the financial gain for you doing so would go to CW and select NCC individuals?

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    Honest John

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Pentney voice, you are living in the past, your expectations are low and you do not care about the next generations health, their right to be heard, or any other issues surrounding this crack pot waste burner idea. But you voted for these ignorants who proposed it and, who, by their incompetence, have landed us with costs and obligations to a dubious developer with a record as long as my arm. The addiction to party politics and false trust in the abilities of vested interest merchants has got us into this, next May it will be rectified.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Friday, October 26, 2012

  • Popeye I can see where you’re coming from. Why build an incinerator upwind of a densely populated residential area. Next to the flood relief channel that services drinking water for Bedfordshire and Essex. Both bottom and Flue ash is carcinogenic. Just bad planning and some weak County Councillors only concerned about losing valuable financial benefits if they upset Derrick Murphy. It is NCC that has caused the stress and anxiety by going all out war to discredit west Norfolk folk, also insulting fellow councillors and MPs.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • So if the Planning Inspector is to listen to the people of West Norfolk, is it safe to assume he will therefore change the date to one in the summer months, to allow the people more time to put together their case and for the totally inadequately sized venue to be replaced by one far more suitable and accessable, such as the larger hall at the College of West Anglia? Or is this more lip service being paid?

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    Honest John

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • JackH-1938 I sympathize with you but the incinerator fiasco is down to mismanagement of County Hall. The campaigners are fortunate to have Derrick Murphy indirectly fighting their cause. If he had good communication skills, did not sabotage the planning process and rub salt in wounds he would have not seen so massive opposition. Next month he will have to answer to the board of inquiry over his involvement of kevingate. Thanks to him he has caused stress and anxiety making the public scrutinise Cory Wheelabrator and good job as they have found they have been fined for pollution and fraud hence thousands of objections at the planning consultation. He has cost the county millions by his inexperience, lost trust with fellow councillors and especially the voters. No way will anybody in their right minds accept an incinerator anywhere in Norfolk as they are extremely controversial whatever planet we live on.

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    batemansusan

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • There is ample scientific evidence that this is not a safe technology and there is also ample evidence that there exists other technologies that are far safer and greener. I think the EDP has a lot to answer in this as they supported Murphy's campaign over the last year and a half. Hats off to the campaigners in West Norfolk who remained to true to what they believed in. They all deserve medals and a big honourable mention to the Lynn News for supporting their fight for the health and safety of the people of the West. Now the rest of us can start worrying about where they will try and drop in the next outdated and dangerous technology. Bets are open on Coltishall, Wymondham, Thorpe St Andrew and Diss. But it could be anywhere. Fancy your house losing its value and your health taking a nosedive? Watch this space.

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    alecto

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • Anybody associated with that so called "referendum" should hang their head in shame, it was not a referendum but an incredibly biased straw poll designed to gerrymander the result wanted. If you ask the question "do you want to die horribly, yes or no?" what answer do you expect? Hopefully the inspector will not be swayed by the dreadful alarmist morons and give this project the green light as soon as possible - no more landfill!!

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    Pentney Voice

    Friday, October 26, 2012

  • Popeye wrong as Palm paper the new power station are in the same vicinity and accumulated air pollutants will mix and be more potent. You have not answered the flooding and toxins issue in the wash and relief channel that Knee deep has mentioned in post. Pay attention please.

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    Norwichboy

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Daisy. There are other alternatives which are not landfill nor incineration. These alternatives have not been costed nor risk-assessed. BTW I live on the outskirts of Norwich.

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    norfolkngood

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • What a shambles our County Council is. They allow a dodgy incinerator company with a history of polluting and fraud as long as the A47. Who allowed this company in county hall? If NCC was an outside private company they would be bankrupt as the shareholders would pull out.

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    Choice

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • I hope that those council;ors who have ignored our wishes for 12 years now, sitting on their hands doing nothing about landfill or waste disposall, those who have supported this dirty solution, under their real name and as monikers here, because they were unable or unwilling to choose a more modern means of waste treatment, I hope that they now will wake up and act up to the mandate they received from us, reducing waste at source, re-using it at zero waste sites and recycling whats left into new products. Kings Lynn is showing the way forward and the last solution is that people can withdraw their waste, let someone else deal with it who is more responsible, then their whole edifice would come crashing down, do cllr.s really want to risk that?

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Does anybody know if this is true? NCC is looking for other sites north of Diss and Snetterton to build an incinerator. I expect this will be the other sites if the proposed plant is built at Kings Lynn. I was shopping in Norwich this morning and over heard either council staff or engineers talking about these areas for an incinerator or biomass. Mention of 300 foot chimney!

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Nice one Dave. Stating that people must be listened to. What a perfect example of a politician saying nothing that sounds like something. Now I know where Bellingham gets it from - they went to the same school.....

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • .....You have not answered the flooding and toxins issue in the wash and relief channel......Well if we don't eat the fish for a few weeks after any contamination incident I'm sure 99.9% of people will survive....you worry too much.

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    Fly Tipper

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • It has been known for some years that a number of recycling plants are needed in Norfolk. Also known is the length of time to get them approved!

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    bedoomed

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Jack 1938.. If the incinerator ever gets built will be the end of the dominant Conservative party in west Norfolk. Just look at the election results a few weeks ago at Clenchwarton. It is unfortunate for the Tory party that the inspectors have decided on February weeks away from the May County elections.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • Daisy roots-in yesterday's blog you say the whole of the voters inNorfolk should have been consulted I would say that all the representatives of the electorate should have been allowed to debate and vote on this at full council. That was denied by Murphy who was worried he would lose the vote so he had it passed at cabinet level by those he had personally selected and rewarded well.. Very soviet!!!

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    maryjane

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • well spoken, wattonload, but should we not permanently dispense with part political dogma merchants altogether? those who have forgotten what a local mandate means should not get re-elected. Cllr. jenny Chamberlain,NCC, Cllr. Murphy's felow pro incinerator supporter, ensured that Diss Town council supported it, without asking the voters. Her support for this outdated technology is duly noted and will get due attention next May.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • Daisy Roots, conveniently forgetting that 68% of Norfolk’s Parish Councils voted against this, you and your fellow NCC colleagues are not prepared to consider alternatives to landfill but are hellbent on incineration, which will cost Norfolk taxpayers dearly not just repaying the PFI but through their health. If there were nothing harmful about incinerators, there would not be the need for the massive cover-up that emmanates from the Department of Health, through the Health Protection Agency, and down to the Director of Public Health for NHS Norfolk. There would not be the need for secrecy from NCC, for Defra to dictate to the Environment Agency to turn their blind eyes across the country to the breaches in air and water pollution, and not to carry out toxicity tests on IBA, or for CW to heavily ‘mitigate’ figures in their planning application. West Norfolk BC have found a perfect solution to local waste that does not require any form of financial outlay, an immediate saving of over £500million, which genuinely recycles around 97% the waste into an amazing array of usable end products, after sorting the metals and recyclable products first. A technology which is perfectly safe to people and their environment, sustainable, and each plant creating up to 200 local jobs. For some reason the EDP do not want to inform its readers about this alternative technology. Incinerators are lucrative for those involved, fuelled by greed and the preferred choice by NCC.

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    Honest John

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Tut tut - naughty David Cameron! Expect Cllr Murphy to be hammering at the door of Tory Campaign HQ tomorrow in order to make a complaint against you for not sharing his pro-burning ambitions!!

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    Fenscape

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • .....Why build an incinerator upwind of a densely populated residential area?....anywhere is upwind when the wind is blowing that way.

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    Fly Tipper

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Pentny Voice. Cory Wheelabrator hired a dodgy company to hold a phone poll the same week as the referendum. Google this. edp24 Speaking after the leaked documents This proves NCC were dealing with a dodgy outfit Comres and Cory Wheelabrator recently been prosecuted again in the USA for pollution this is after being fined $450 million for fraud. How on earth can the public trust known criminals.

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    Alan Allan

    Friday, October 26, 2012

  • Jack 1938.. If the incinerator ever gets built will be the end of the dominant Conservative party in west Norfolk. Just look at the election results a few weeks ago at Clenchwarton. It is unfortunate for the Tory party that the inspectors have decided on February weeks away from the May County elections.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • Is he aware that this was a poll of a small fraction of the population of Norfolk who are going to have to pay higher council tax if the council does not come up with a way to reduce landfill to comply with EU laws? The only way this poll would have any validity would have been if it had been of all the voters in Norfolk on the principle of do we want to pay more for refuse disposal and keep high levels of landfill or do we want a possibly energy producing incinerator. A postal poll rousted up for political reasons by Daubney,with campaigners doing a lot of scare mongering with broad assertions and based on Nimbyism does not have the right feel about it to me, local or not.Taking localism too far could mean nothing ever gets done-under true localism the opinions of 65K people in West Norfolk would not be any more important than the opinions of 650 people in a village opposed to a project proposed by West Norfolk council. And I bet Daubney woudl not hesitate to push through local projects in those circumstances.

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    Daisy Roots

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • I must agree with Popeye. He is the expert and there will be deaths with the incinerator so build it. Keeps the NHS busy and the funeral directors. The only stumbling block for Popeye is you do not hold a public inquiry without significant reasons. Second thoughts build a waste treatment plant that recycles all the waste no chimneys and 300 permanent jobs not like the 40 if a burner was built.

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    batemansusan

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • I think the risks from incinerators has been blown out of proportion. Let's wait to see how many die before making rash judgements. I'm happy if deaths do to dioxin poisoning is less than deaths on school activity trips for example.

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    Fly Tipper

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Alan Allan. Very interesting information. This is the EDP24 link to site. http:www.edp24.co.uknewsenvironmentking_s_lynn_incinerator_surveys_tell_different_stories_1_816219 Pentney Voice must be in politics as gerrymandering is a word used by politicians.

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    batemansusan

    Friday, October 26, 2012

  • Conversations this time of year are normally about the weather football but in west Norfolk most people have another couple of topics. The incinerator and how they have been let down by some of our county councillors and how they will be hit in the ballot box next May. The only solution to control damage limitation to the Conservative party is to ditch the carcinogenic monster and concentrate on recycling. Not next week but now as the closer we get to the planning inspectors visit the more votes will be lost and the writing is on the wall with the Labour party overturning a normally strong conservative majority at Clenchwarton. We will see this all over west Norfolk as the previously Staunch Tory will not vote and left open for tactical voting. It will be political meltdown if the inspector allows the plant to be built. This is now the time for the west Norfolk county councillors to re-group instead of hiding behind their soon unemployed leader’s apron and have courage to fight for localism that is in David Cameron’s Tory Party manifesto. What is the use of having a principle to score brownie points at county hall when your days are numbered by ignoring your public?

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    wattonlad

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • Pentney. There is a mass amount of information concerning well run incinerators and it is worldwide. The USA has not built an incinerator since 1995. Europe do not trust well run incinerators since Belgium has installed 24 hour AMESCA air quality monitoring systems. The state of the art incinerator at Vienna may have to close down as it stinks. Europe will be enforcing this system fitted as a minimum requirement. Cory Wheelabrator were terrified 24 hour air quality monitoring system would be fitted at Kings Lynn because it is very expensive to run as there will be many shutdowns and fines. Why on earth did NCC not recommend this, the reason why the £8 million alleged savings by burning would increase the costs of running the plant? Does not inspire much confidence so why not scrutinise incineration when less costly and safer technologies are to hand.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Friday, October 26, 2012

  • Is he aware the Conservatives rule the council?

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    Jeffrey Osborne

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • I wonder how many people have thought what happens 25 years after the proposed burner ever gets built. It will have to be decommissioned and demolished because it is Stone Age technology. NCC will have to use today’s modern technology to treat recycle our waste. In those 25 years how much valuable commodity will be burnt to a cinder and converted into toxic waste. This ash will have to be transported to secure landfill sites in sealed containers because it is a dioxin.

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    Alan Allan

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Jack H I agree with you, it is a shame and an indictment of the state of education at large, that people, instead of valuing a cohesive grass roots democratic campaign, use this whipped up fear, generated by some so called countryside Guardian's, to gazump and after they succeeded, forget all about their reasons. The latter are apologists for more nuclear power, no less. I shall refrain from answering your macabre comparison, but it is not a technologically backward waste burner from the last millennium.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • I think the risks from incinerators has been blown out of proportion. Let's wait to see how many die before making rash judgements. I'm happy if deaths do to dioxin poisoning is less than deaths on school activity trips for example.

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    Fly Tipper

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • What a shambles our County Council is. They allow a dodgy incinerator company with a history of polluting and fraud as long as the A47. Who allowed this company in county hall? If NCC was an outside private company they would be bankrupt as the shareholders would pull out.

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    Choice

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • blah blah blah ".important Inspector must listen to local people" .blah blah ..."proper processes are folowed"..blah blah ..So much hot air..In the end, as we have found, its what Big Government and Big Business want not what local people and their democratically elected representatives say...Localism is a disgraceful sham invented by a Government whose abiding memory will be summed up in the two words ..plebs and omnishambles

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    Edmund Allenby

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • I have spoken to people living near an American incinerator run by the same dodgy outfit. They complained dust, smell (especially at night) and noise were a problem. They also said the local incidence of cancer was higher than average. There is no justifiable reason for forcing this outdated junk on to anyone anywhere when there are perfectly acceptable and much cheaper alternatives. If we as local residents want a better cheaper solution we should be listened to not ignored. The County Council is financially incompetent they selected the most expensive bidder offering the most inferior technology. These people wouldn't survive in the real commercial world, we should not tolerate them burning OUR MONEY! Some of those suggesting we are NIMBYS might have second thoughts if they bothered to do some research. This junk only looks good at a superficial level, it relies on expensive PR and spin to find a market.

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    Voter 65,516

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Recently I was the victim of planning blight in Cambridgeshire. My house was down-valued (part of a divorce settlement) because almost every property (except mine) had signs objecting to a wind farm. Any would-be buyer was likely to be deterred by the signs and wonder: “What’s this awful thing that is happening here?” This was reflected in the valuation of my house, the result being that I lost around £30,000. Exactly the same is happening in King’s Lynn. House prices are depressed not BECAUSE there IS an incinerator but because potential buyers are PUT OFF BY THE CAMPAIGN, especially when they see such one-sided emotion. Once a wind farm (or incinerator) is up and running, people will quickly ignore it. But the fear of the unknown is achieving precisely what protesters want to avoid: depressed house values. I have no particular views about incinerators. The pros and cons need to be debated, not this emotional prejudice that achieves little. If the concept is a good one, why not King’s Lynn? It’s as sensible as anywhere. Sorry to say so, but North West Norfolk people are shooting themselves in the feet. I am in fact about to move away from my native county. The move has nothing to do with the incinerator or the campaign but I most certainly will be pleased to be away from all the fuss. Incidentally, there’s a crematorium within a kilometre of the Queen Elizabeth hospital. Don’t crematoria burn things? Maybe there should be a protest campaign against that. Jack Harrison, North Wootton

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    JackH-1938

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • Jack 1938.. If the incinerator ever gets built will be the end of the dominant Conservative party in west Norfolk. Just look at the election results a few weeks ago at Clenchwarton. It is unfortunate for the Tory party that the inspectors have decided on February weeks away from the May County elections.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • I didn't actually object to that wind farm in Cambridgeshire. But I was a pariah, a marked man, in the village for being the lone voice. The same is surely true here? As I have implied, I am not actually in favour of nor am I against an incinerator. But I cannot possibly make an informed judgement in the current emotive one-sided climate. Anyway. I wonder what parallel campaign awaits me next month in my new home in The Hebrides? Stop the smelly fishing perhaps? Jack

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    JackH-1938

    Thursday, October 25, 2012

  • If people local to any proposals for incinerators, wind turbines on and off shore, are listened to and their thoughts decide the outcome, how will we ever do anything, we won't, wherever we try to do anything there is always going to be people opposing it, that's why we should just get on with it, if it doesn't work or campaigners are right we tear it all down, if they are wrong as they will be in most instances they suck eggs, that should keep them quiet. If you are really worried about pollution you should be campaigning for moving houses and schools etc away from busy roads, that does far more damage and it's everywhere. With all the saremongering on turbines and incinerators it's hard to have the true facts to make an informed decision on if you are for or against, half the arguments against are just based on opinions rather than fact. Have any againsts ever contacted people in areas that do have them to see what the reality is, where turbines have been put into place we don't see campaigners camped out opposing them, as they then knew all their fears were unfounded, lets get on with it and see what the reality is.

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    Jason Bunn

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Agree with Honest John - it's a real pity that the NCC-loving EDP haven't run any sort of in-depth story about the waste initiative currently being investigated over in Kings Lynn - I wonder why that is?

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    Fenscape

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • what happened to your promise on immigration and the human rights act david cameron

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    milecross

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • Daisy, your opinions on the incinerator are well versed, but to me the main point seems to be signing up to this thing for the next 25 years! I have no idea if it is safe or not and I take your point concerning the people in the whole of Norfolk having a say. However, when (not, if!) a better solution comes along at a fraction of the cost Norfolk people will be stuck with paying to burn who knows what for the full term of this contract. If you really think this idea will save money for the next 25 years then you are exhibiting naivety beyond belief. Cory must be rubbing their hands at the thought of guaranteed income for the next 25 years. If they and the Council are convinced this won't happen then break clauses should have been written into the contract so that if a better solution was offered that saved, say, 10% or more of incineration costs then either party could walk away with no financial penalties payable. This would enable the Council to then go for the cheaper option. Unfortunately the information we are given by the Council only scratches the surface of this deal and we are drip fed other bits and pieces as they so desire. I have no confidence in the councillors involved in this deal and think they are being stitched up like a kipper and we will all end up paying dearly for this folly.

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    smithrob

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • It is disgusting that valuable resources in our black bins will be lost forever by burning. NCC were passionate about reduce recycle reuse what went wrong $$$.

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    batemansusan

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

  • .....300 permanent jobs not like the 40 if a burner was built. .....So exposing 300 men to potential toxic death at work is good.....surely a completely automated recycling centre would avoid these 300 potential deaths?

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    Fly Tipper

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

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