A city centre pub will discover next week whether it will be granted permission to place tables and chairs outside its doors.

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The Bell Hotel has asked Norwich City Council for permission to put the tables and chairs in Orford Hill.

The JD Wetherspoon pub wants to put five tables and chairs in the street.

The pub chain had asked for permission to use the tables and chairs between 8am and 11pm seven days a week, but Norfolk police has asked for the furniture to stop being used at 9pm.

However, there have been two objections to the application, including one from the Example hair salon on the other side of the street, raising concern that customers could be intimidated by “drunk and boisterous” people.

A tenant who lives nearby has also objected, fearing anti-social behaviour.

Michelle Bartram, licensing officer at Norfolk Constabulary, said in her report to the city council: “Following discussions with the management of the premises, I am satisfied that the use of these tables and chairs will be for meals and coffees only.

“No glasses will be allowed “to be taken off the premises and into this area and if any alcohol is requested to be consumed here, this will be decanted into plastic first.”

The applicant has said that at least one member of staff will supervise the outside area while it is in use, that CCTV cameras will operate in the outside area and that the tables and chairs will be removed when not in use.

Members of the city council’s regulatory committee will decide whether to allow the application when they meet on Tuesday.

19 comments

  • Spot on, Daisy Roots.

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • Look again, Singapore - it took several attempts. They keep me from commenting on beer-related issues because I know when what`s written is B******t! ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, July 30, 2012

  • So "who it is" has no bearing......

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, July 30, 2012

  • McD*nalds with beer...yuk!!

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    nrg

    Saturday, July 28, 2012

  • Why, when they already have numerous tables and chairs out the front, do they see fit to clog up a pedestrian area with yet more riff raff? If they wish to have just another five tables, why not re-position the existing ones out the front and put them there? Having walked past this morning, I would assume that four tables would easily fit in the existing area. The additional fith, could be better used indoors. Regards, Whiley.

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    Whiley Boy

    Monday, July 30, 2012

  • Ha ha, pub to get permission for tables and chairs. What a great headline. I knew things have been bad in GB of late but I hadn't realised it was standing only these days in pubs. Mind you alot of the news about pubs and bars here in Perth, WA is in regard to A boards and on street tables. Gives me a feeling of nostalgia for my old city.

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    Cainsy

    Monday, July 30, 2012

  • Oh Dear this will cause concern for the Disabled, Blue Badge holders from parking along this road.

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    turnover

    Saturday, July 28, 2012

  • I wonder, Peter, what the situation is when a business still owns the ground that forms part of the pavement. I can think of several businesses which I can remember having a garden wall in front of their shops (which occupied the ground floors of terraced houses) , but which now have pavement right up to the building wall. Would some businesses retain rights over this part of their plots, in much the same way as St Nicholas Church GY has a plaque on a boundary fence pointing out that the churchyard actually extends into Northgate Street.In that case only advertising rules might apply to A boards etc. and shops might be free to stand merchandise on what we mistakenly assume to be the public pavement. Probably different rules for alcohol though.

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    Daisy Roots

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • Depends who it is, Peter. You know that.

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • Eureka! Got one through. I am so grateful.

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • Eureka! Got one through. I am so grateful.

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • Oh hang on not like this chain makes enough money as it is, plus they have enough tables outside in their own courtyard. I mean you dont get Blue Arrow complaining about drunk people just outside of its own door way!

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    chebram71

    Saturday, July 28, 2012

  • Actually, I was delighted at being allowed to comment on this item. Every attempt I make to comment on brewing or beer related issues via the "Lifestyle" category is summarily blocked. As a lifetime brewing professional I find that offensive. Good word "offensive".

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    Mad Brewer

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • Ha ha, pub to get permission for tables and chairs. What a great headline. I knew things have been bad in GB of late but I hadn't realised it was standing only these days in pubs. Mind you alot of the news about pubs and bars here in Perth, WA is in regard to A boards and on street tables. Gives me a feeling of nostalgia for my old city.

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    Cainsy

    Monday, July 30, 2012

  • Hey MB maybe should put your footie comments here as not being ethered..lol

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    Jakarta Canary

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • In the case of the determination officer it would be a decision of the council to have an ultimate power of enforcement.The council would be acting in a quasi-judicial capacity as the stewards of the city's interests.Regarding the highway definition,it may be recorded as private land but if there is access and regular usage by the pedestrian then by custom and practice it has become a highway with public right of use.Ultimately the Licensing authorities often take precedence,in my experience,when decisions like this have to be made.Regulations can be very good things.

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    Peter Watson

    Monday, July 30, 2012

  • A pub garden in the right place is a delightful thing, al fresco dining is also very pleasant in the right place. But on Orford Hill? Getting in the way of pedestrians who, when going about their business, might not enjoy the spectacle of diners with their noses in the trough. Why would anyone want to eat in traffic fumes,dust, noise etc? Why in all the years the Bell has been there did no one worry much about drinking and eating out in the open? Because sensible people know that in the heat of a summer's day the best place to be is inside in the shade with a nice cool flag floor underfoot and in the winter the best place is inside in front of a fire. The time to sit outside to eat and drink is in the early evening in summer-and maybe between 5.30pm and 10.00pm, when the city switches from day to night trade might be the most appropriate time for the Bell to be allowed tables on the street.

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    Daisy Roots

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • I'm sure it wasn't that long ago when there was another bar at the top there that had a large area of tables and chairs between The Bell and the car park entrance.

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    Pete Moore

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

  • There are a number of laws relating to highways about A boards etc which require enforcement which,in the city,would involve employing a lot more enforcers.The question for the council is do they enforce or don't they?

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    Peter Watson

    Sunday, July 29, 2012

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