Norfolk incinerator project could be back in the balance, as a new vote looms

The proposed incinerator site at Saddlebow. Picture: Ian Burt. The proposed incinerator site at Saddlebow. Picture: Ian Burt.

Tuesday, February 11, 2014
12:17 PM

Campaigners against the proposed Norfolk incinerator have declared they are “back in the game” after it emerged another vote is pending on whether to push ahead with the plant.

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In October, Norfolk County Council voted, by 40 votes to 38, to agree to a revised project plan for the burner at King’s Lynn.

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But, with a further break point in the contract coming up in May, another decision will have to be made on whether to continue.

And, at today’s cabinet scrutiny meeting Conservative John Dobson, a longstanding opponent of the Saddlebow plant, said that would lead to an extraordinary general meeting of the council - with the prospect of another vote on the plant.

The council has already agreed a contract with Cory Wheelabrator to run the plant and had awarded planning permission for it.

But that was called in by communities secretary Eric Pickles, who has yet to make a decision on whether to allow that permission.

Meanwhile, the government has cancelled waste credits which would have been worth £169m over the lifetime of the plant.

The cabinet scrutiny meeting was triggered after six councillors ‘called in’ the cabinet’s decision to recommend a revenue budget to the council.

In the cabinet papers it was stated that the possible compensation payable to Cory Wheelabrator if planning permission is not secured would increase by £5m, from £26m to £31m after May 1.

A number of councillors had claimed they had not been made aware of that, ahead of the vote in October.

The council had said, in the report to full council, it stated that “the actual contract price at the time of financial close could increase or decrease”.

They said, in the cabinet report for the following day’s meeting, it stated that the compensation figure would “have to be revisited” if the project continued to be delayed beyond spring this year.

The council said those details were available before the full council meeting, where the vote was taken and that group leaders were briefed ahead of the council debate, with more details in ‘pink papers’.

The spokesman said a report to cabinet in November also referred to the compensation payment increasing from May 2014 onwards.

They added putting a figure on the potential size of the increase was not possible at an earlier stage and that the £31m was an indicative figure used for budget setting.

But, at today’s cabinet scrutiny meeting, Mr Dobson said councillors would get another chance to reject the incinerator.

He said: “What we know now is there is another decision to be made. What has emerged is that the cabinet has to make another decision in April to confirm implementation of this project.

“We will get a second bite of the cherry. There will be another vote, so we are back in the game.”

Steve Morphew, cabinet member for finance, corporate resources and personnel, told the committee that he would investigate the circumstances over what information was supplied.

But he said the £5m figure was an estimate in the increased compensation, needed in order to plan a budget.

He said: “As far as I am concerned, everything we can put out in the public domain, we have.
“I understand that, at a briefing in October, councillors were made aware that the compensation cap would run out in the spring and there would be a financial consequence.

“What we had to do was quantify the consequence and put that into the budget papers as a risk.
“I don’t think anyone was anticipating what consequences were likely to be come May time. I think everyone was anticipating a decision [by the secretary of state] by January 14. There was no intention to keep anything hidden.”

He said he did not believe information had been withheld, but would investigate further.

The scrutiny committee decided, on a suggestion by Conservative Cliff Jordan, to ask the acting managing director Anne Gibson and leader George Nobbs to review the decision the cabinet had made, with no time to send the matter back to cabinet before the budget is set on Monday.

A second recommendation, from Green Andrew Boswell, was for a review to be carried out into how information is communicated to councillors.

At the meeting, Labour’s Alexandra Kemp, who was one of the six cross-party group of councillors who triggered the call-in, claimed her party were “coming after” her for speaking against the incinerator.

She said: “I represent the division where the incinerator would be built and I stated on my manifesto that I would take all legal means to stop it.

“But my party’s structure means I cannot speak to cabinet scrutiny without having my party coming after me. My position has become untenable in the party I am in.”

Mike Sands, Labour’s whip on the county council was sitting on the committee and Miss Kemp had questioned whether that was appropriate.
But he said, while Miss Kemp was subject to processes within the Labour party, it was not a whipping campaign relating to cabinet scrutiny.

Leader George Nobbs was not at yesterday’s meeting, despite a request for him to attend. He said he had not been at the cabinet meeting where the revenue budget decision had been made so “no possible purpose could be served” by him being called as a witness.

He added, in a letter circulated to the cabinet scrutiny committee: “I regard this call-in as mischievous and malicious, coming at a time when the authors know that it is constitutionally impossible for the cabinet to reconsider this matter before it is required by law to set the budget to which the call-in specifically refers.”

98 comments

  • Alex Kemp has many formidable allies and supporters from all parties and persuasions. The Labour Group at County would have trouble counting their admirers on the fingers of one finger. As for Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sands, does he think he stands a snowball's chance of winning the nomination as the PPC for Kings Lynn after his ruthless behaviour towards Alex? Good to see lovely John Cooper from Yarmouth making an appearance with his usual trenchant yet absolutely accurate assessment of a County Councillor from his patch of Norfolk.

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    alecto

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Alex Kemp has loads of support. She is one of only a very few councillors who have principles. 'The rest should either crawl back into their holes or join Billyboy down at the Downham Dinosaur Club.

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    Sandy.L

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • So D says she has no friends or support others says she has massive support across the board. What does the EDP reader say - do they support free speech? Vote please.

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    maryjane

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • The message to Miss Kemp is clear. She should resign the whip and become an independent. The locals would support her as she is one of the few who are truly representing the interests of her constituency. The Labour group clearly couldn't give a damn about the electorate and have been discredited by their actionsinactions. The reputation of the County Council went to the dogs months ago. Miss Kemp has nothing to gain by loyalty to Labour.

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    Carborundum

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Kemp should be chucked out or at the very least resign. Shameful display from her. Time to get rid.

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    Del Boy

    Friday, February 14, 2014

  • Quite right Canary Boy, sadly it looks like bul.lying is acceptable norm. I was surprised Nick Conrad suggested Cllr Kemp left the Labour Party! Why should she when she is the only Labour Councillor who has stuck to their own party manifesto, and leaving wouldn’t solve the root of the problem or bul.lying. NCC did nothing about it when complaints were made against Murphy and so it continues, which almost implies NCC condones bul.lying, perhaps the pot is unable to call the kettle black in the light of the incinerator, Coltishall, NDR ….

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    Honest John

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • I cannot understand the long delay in granting permission for this. It will be great to see our rubbish burned. Nice and clean and tidy. Very 21st century.

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    John Fisher

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • GNobbs is a disgrace, failing to attend scrutiny, then branding the call in “mischievous and malicious". Yet it's ok for the party he leads to go after Cllr Kemp for simply doing her job and representing her constituents! I'd call that malicious.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Collis has been a champion council crawler for decades. The well practiced stuck up plummy voice which he has carefully cultivated over many Rotary Club dinners is as fake as his commitment to scrap the project. Trust me - the entire Council is going for this behind closed doors no matter what they tell you in public. In private things are quite different. I think the cement order and ground work has already been discussed.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • A. Kemp could always switch and become Independent but of course when this blows over her political options are few and her chances of re election are zero. Nothing like a possible lifetime of expenses to concentrate the mind.

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    Webbed Feet

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • That club must be the one in Downham full of crusty old councillors. They are even worse sober. Kemp is a hot topic I bet. Glad to hear the incinerator is going ahead full speed.

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    Lyn from Lynn

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • The cross party group opposing the incinerator at County Hall is a model for how local government should operate in the interests of the electorate and should all be mentioned in dispatches for maintaining their integrity in the face of the enemy. One key point that came out of today's scrutiny meeting was the complete lack of any credible contingency should planning fail. County Hall has contemplated no alternative and, in the words of the Cabinet Member for Finance, is resorting to keeping its " fingers crossed."

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    Kadmos

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • my classmate's half-sister makes $84 hr on the laptop . She has been without work for 7 months but last month her income was $14181 just working on the laptop for a few hours. go to website,,,,,,,, W­W­W.2­3­J­O­B­S.C­o­M

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    Cunhari Beiro

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Reading some of these comments the EDP are kindly allowing people to voice their opinions even if they are clearly uninformed or wildly fictitious, and it is particularly nice to see those detained under the Mental Health Act having access to the internet.

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    Jeff Reread

    Friday, February 14, 2014

  • Could I just suggest that the shameful treatment of Cllr Alex Kemp reflects particularly badly also on the Lib Dems, Cllrs James Joyce and David Harrison, who happily threw their lot in with the Labour group by joining the Cabinet, and accepting the thirty pieces of silver. Are they going to speak out against this thoroughly undemocratic behaviour? I very much doubt it. And how does the Leader of the Lib Dem group feel about this? I hope that she will disassociate herself from the two of them immediately.

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    John Martin

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • The last comment about David Collis, tells me just how little D has known throughout this shambles.

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    democrat

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Threats, scares of bancruptcy and arm twisting from party politicians have forced Cllr. Kemp to go on radio Norfolk, because she has been bullied. Cllr. Castle has no clue of the issues and is demanding for Cllr. kemp to lie and cheat the voters, just as the rest of them he never had the choice or chances to debate the full issues, cllr.s do not know the issues involved, they are acting blind and want to square a hole, which is us. I have to agree with Canary boy its only the Greens and Independents that look good on this issue. Another vote is gerrymandering of voters and council, we are being told to shut up and bend over. Never, they are wrong to do as they do and they know so.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Blasphemy - all the way from Niagara. I don't think so Rev.!

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    Sandy.L

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • I love this. D, you know as well as I that the planned incinerator was old technology, so why pretend otherwise? I think you are misunderstanding my question as to why the council is still persisting in its endeavours to build one.

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    democrat

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • All rather proposterous....and what say yee GNobbs....I would quit now, while you are only this far behind...

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    Scooby

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Jolly good news for the local construction industry when this gets the final nod. This will have people in work for a long time and a big boost to local suppliers as well. Very good job done in my humble opinion. Come on Mr Pickles let local people get on with a local task.

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    Stanley T

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • We again need to ask the question as to why the County Council has been so intent on getting this project through.

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    democrat

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • We again need to ask the question as to why the County Council has been so intent on getting this project through.

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    democrat

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • What a meeting! Chris Walton, exercising his democratic right to sit there chewing gum throughout, Cllr. Morphew, Cabinet Member for Excuses, the only witness to appear and then claimed no knowledge of anything to do with the RPP vote in October as he was on holiday, and as for Cllr. Collis, voted in as someone opposing the incinerator, showed he has mirrored the pirouette by Nobbs and proving a worthy contender as Cabinet Member for Brown Nosing.

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • All these delays cost a lot of money. I reckon Ms Kemp should resign or be chucked out for causing so much trouble. The council tax payer is footing the bill for her antics.

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    Canary Brain

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • PLEASE - just get on and build the damn thing!

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    Norfolk John

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • It's quite funny that Alex Kemp thinks she has allies in this. To her face they are on board but behind her back things are a bit different. She is a sinking ship.

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    Not A Nimby

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Castle came across on the radio very badly as an ill informed bully. Cllr Kemp was denied the right to speak freely at a cabinet scrutiny committee meeting when under the constitution she should have been free to say whatever she wanted. Nick Conrad read out an email from Castle which left listeners in no doubt as to the bullying tactics being used against her. Leader of the Council, Nobbs, we heard has refused to speak to Alex for about a year presumably because she is against the incinerator. What does that say about the Norfolk Labour Group?

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    Canary Boy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • I am with you on that democrat the incinerator paled almost into insignificance a long time ago. My focus has been the antics within county hall for a long time.

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    Canary Boy

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • I see D and his many identities have arrived. Alex Kemp has the full support of the people that voted for her. And I would vote for her again regardless which party she was with. Castle was shown up for what he is on Radio Norfolk this morning. If anyone should resign it should be him.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Building an incinerator would be the best thing since sliced bread. Jobs for thousands and a boost to the economy of Norfolk plus no more burying waste in the ground contaminating the soil for ten thousand years. Build it now.

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    The-Blue-Flag

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Why not let the cross-party group run the cabinet as a truly rainbow alliance. There are more brains in that group than the whole council put together - each post would have a highly qualified person to do the job. Get rid of the dross in charge at the moment with GNobbs and Harrison at the top of the list followed immediately by the others who have proved to be a waste of space including Morphew who considers himself a wizz kid at figures -how successful was he at City Hall balancing the books-a Council does not rely on crossed fingures!!!

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    maryjane

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Good old Alex Kemp - so refreshing to see a councillor who keeps to her word after she's been elected. GNobbs and friends could learn a trick or two from her - what a pity they are more interested in using their party machinery to shut her up rather than acting on the wishes of the electorate. So much for Solidarity - the Tories must be rubbing their hands in glee!

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    User Removed

    Friday, February 14, 2014

  • Club Dinner Collis a brown noser ? That is history not news. The man is all for the project. Always was. Managed to fool the anti campaigners for a while though. Not hard.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Having just listened to the Nick Conrad show, Alex Kemp has been vilified by her own group for being intelligent. Nobbs and co are intellectual pigmys in comparison. Castle this morning came over as an arrogant bully and can be likened to a someone who has been put into a position of power to 'put the boot in' , a job which is usually carried out by the lesser beings of society. How disgusting it all is just to preserve the right of freedom of speech. I think there are comparisons in history to this mode of conduct. There was an email from a councillor called 'Emma' (Lab Coop) who disassociated herself from Alex's comment, - was this the same cou ncillor who burst into tears at the October council meeting saying she felt intimidated by her group over the way to vote and voted against the proposal? She has now been truly indoctrinated!!

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    maryjane

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • The tedious group of anti campaigners were played like a fiddle. Did they ever wonder why and how the goal posts were moved every time they thought it was in the bag ? Did they ever guess that each time they thought they were on to a winning strategy it crumbled to ashes in their hands? Did they ever ask yourself why politicians who said they would do one thing did the exact opposite as soon as their backs were turned ? Could they really never see that the entire thing was a rehearsed set piece of theatre conceived for an audience while the real work trundled quietly on ? Where did they suspect all the pressure was coming from ? It was not the Councillors nor was it the Government nor was it the staff at NCC or the firms involved as such. This was way up the ladder and completely controlled by another group who never featured, never got mentioned and never would have been exposed except for just the once……….unfortunately one sad anti campaigner had it deleted…….. The answer to the anti campaigns nagging conundrum deleted forever and the golden key to the door of victory lost. You just cannot help them no matter how hard you try.

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    Dickens

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Can you imagine how rattled he will be when permission is refused.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Miss Kemp has no support where it counts and is a voice in the wilderness. If she wants to stay in local politics she needs to tow the line and know when to be silent. As for the project itself it should go ahead.

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    Diss 'N' Dat

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Well it is high time Kemp was reeled in a bit. He who pays the piper calls the tune my dear. Mark that well.

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    Del Boy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Unbelievable! Who would have guessed that the Labour leadership at County Hall is naïve enough to have committed political suicide on Radio Norfolk. Shame on them for bullying a councillor who only wants to represent her division and whipping cabinet scrutiny, thus breaking the Council’s constitution. I didn’t think it was possible to bring County Hall into further disrepute. You would have thought that lessons had been learnt from the Conservatives who preceded them. Cllr Kemp has come out of this smelling of roses. Unfortunately, the stench emanating from County Hall is somewhat overwhelming.

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    Kadmos

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Seeing as we are talking about rubbish; democrat Saturday, February 1, 2014 “The decision has been made. On environmental grounds of course. “ Perhaps he had better give Eric a bell and remind him ? Silly person.

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    Mr A. Schicklgruber

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Brian, NCC will not look into anything, they are intent on pushing this ridiculous project through without any thought of future financial or environmental consequences. Last month planning went against NCC’s recommendation and passed a 30,000tpa AD plant in North Norfolk. Remove that from the current 210,000 levels of waste and the 170,000tpa needed for the incinerator shows it is already in trouble, and that’s before the new plastic and glass collections that will start later this year. Suffolk’s incinerator under construction also has a 100,000tpa non contract capacity, and have said they will need both London and Norfolk waste to be profitable.

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    Honest John

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • This should have been built a while back. Stop talking and start building.

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    Mr Raj Patel

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • If you were that bothered about burying rubbish in landfill, you would be encouraging the council to stop it now and send the waste to Holland where it can be dealt with while an incinerator is built. But that's the thing, you aren't bothered about landfill, you just want a £600 million pound outdated plant that charges the council £105 for every tonne of rubbish it sends there.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • "What do you think?" asks the EDP (Friday Feb 7 2014, p12). Here's what I think: it is the pro-incinerator people at County Hall - George Nobbs and his crew - who are pressing Pickles for an early decision on the incinerator. The anti-burner lobby are urging Pickles to take as long as he needs to make up his mind. The headline GET US OUT OF THIS PICKLE and the article on p12 effectively endorse the pro-incinerator view. This is slightly odd, in view of an EDP leader in October (was it?) which said "Now is the time to draw a line under the incinerator saga" and which finally came down on the anti-burner side: "This deeply unpopular west Norfolk project... The time has come to swallow the bitter pill and SCRAP THE INCINERATOR and find an alternative way to dispose of our waste... The incinerator debacle [sic] must be put behind us...". That's pretty clear, I think? So is anybody at EDP HQ able to shed light on this apparent U-turn, please? Whatever happened to the EDP's reputation for campaigning? It is conspicuous by its absence on this issue...

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    martin wallis

    Monday, February 17, 2014

  • You can't make comparisons with other old incinerators all over the place. This one will be a state of the art facility. I have seen the plans and read everything about it. It will be superb and the amount of work it will create is fantastic. The best thing Norfolk has seen in years.

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    Magwitch

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • The leader refusing to attend a scrutiny meeting when called!!! This is the man responsible not only for the decisions approved by cabinet but also for calling the whip to be wielded over Councillor Kemp, I do hope she tells them what to do with their red flag and crosses the floor to UKIP who along with the Greens and Cllr Bird are the only politicians with any credibility. Whipping should be outlawed in local politics leave that to Parliament, local councillors should do right by their communities and stuff the party line. Regardless of that the Labour group increased from 3 members on their election promise to STOP the incinerator Cllr Kemp appears the only one with the doodahs to stand up to the manifesto promise, not to mention stand up for those who elected her, virtually all the others appear worthless selfserving pole climbers.

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    Canary Boy

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • So many people want this project to work and go forward that it seems a shame that a handful of noisy protestors have held things up so much.

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    Inactive account

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Loads of people moaned when they were going to put up the Campbell soup tower then they all moaned about taking it down or whatever. You can't please moaners. I would suggest ignoring all of the moaners and get on with the job. We need an answer to our waste problems and this is it.

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    Up The Lefties

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • "What do you think?" asks the EDP (Friday Feb 7 2014, p12). Here's what I think: it is the pro-incinerator people at County Hall - George Nobbs and his crew - who are pressing Pickles for an early decision on the incinerator. The anti-burner lobby are urging Pickles to take as long as he needs to make up his mind. The headline GET US OUT OF THIS PICKLE and the article on p12 effectively endorse the pro-incinerator view. This is slightly odd, in view of an EDP leader in October (was it?) which said "Now is the time to draw a line under the incinerator saga" and which finally came down on the anti-burner side: "This deeply unpopular west Norfolk project... The time has come to swallow the bitter pill and SCRAP THE INCINERATOR and find an alternative way to dispose of our waste... The incinerator debacle [sic] must be put behind us...". That's pretty clear, I think? So is anybody at EDP HQ able to shed light on this apparent U-turn, please? Whatever happened to the EDP's reputation for campaigning? It is conspicuous by its absence on this issue...

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    martin wallis

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Cllr Kemp has worked hard on a lot of issues at local level not just the incinerator and like many I’m convinced she would be re-elected no matter who she stood for, but the question is, why should Cllr. Kemp have to consider leaving the Labour Party in order to continue serving her constituents when she is the only Labour Councillor who has stuck to their own party manifesto? It’s high time good, hard working, honest County Councillors were shown support, no matter which party they stand for, heaven knows we’ve few enough of them in Norfolk. This treatment by her own party members is another shining example of those putting money before the people who elected them there in the first place and it is also b.ullying. If you want to support the rarity of a hard working and honest County Councillor then write a letter of support for Cllr Kemp to David_Jermy at labour.org.uk

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Another round of straw grasping looms up on us. When will these pestering anti campaigners vanish and give our ears and eyes a rest ? It is going to be built we all know that much (Kemp excepted) so why all this messing around ? Start laying some bricks I say.

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    Arthur Pewty

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Its a pity the one person on here with multiple names who is in favour of the incinerator doesn't know when to be silent.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Well I know hundreds of people who support building the incinerator and each one of them knows plenty more and that's just me so the earlier comment about tens of thousands of supporters must be spot on. Get the builders in now without delay.

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    Removed User

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Along with Collis you can include Chenery, Tony White, Wilkinson (who voted with the antis in full council in October and with the pros at the Cabinet the day after (was that anything to do with intimidation from GNobbs) - Morphew, Joyce,Harrison. Not only does that show lack of integrity but worst of all lack of moral fibre.

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    maryjane

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • The line "get on and build it" is getting a bit boring too.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Are some people completely devoid of neurones? The incinerator if built will be out of date (already is) will provide work for a small amount of people for a small amount of time (most of those being shipped in from outside) and the longterm workers on the site will also be shipped in from outside, probably even outside GB. What a bunch of twits. Try selling snakeoil. You'll have more luck.

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    alecto

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Lyn from Lynn. Is it really?

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    democrat

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Wilkinson (who claims to be all for the people) and Chenery ( who claims to be a Baron after purchasing a title) are hanging on to their options and monthly cash. Neither are employable and it has been explained that the show must go on - with or without them. At last the pennies are dropping.

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • My favourite from that source was; democrat Monday, January 27, 2014 “Just for D. I`ve already told you Pickles has made his decision. “ As you say he had better telephone the Minister and tell him.

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    Mrs Willingale

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Only one thing...It hasn't got planning permission. So they cant start putting it together.

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    Bikerboy

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • We should all be friends and support the Council that looks after us all. If they wish to build something to serve the community then we should rejoice.

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    Right Reverend Fuller

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Aren`t you past your bedtime D? Please try and stop repeating yourself. I personally want to know how Norfolk is going to move forward in dealing with its waste.

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    democrat

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • At the meeting in October it was stated that a cancellation of the contract with Cory might make the County Council bankrupt. Now it seems there could be another £5m+ to pay, so presumably the Council would definitely go bankrupt if that were the case. I`m not so much interested in the incinerator these days as I am in the seeming deception that emanates from County Hall. Didn`t someone say that politics is a dirty business?

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    democrat

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • I've got news for you Del Boy. I am the one who pays the piper along with all the voters in Norfolk. I don't give a rats tail what the Labour bullies think. They have been caught out for what they are. Arrogant liars who cannot stick to their manifesto promises and as the one who pays the piper I want to see them sling their hooks and those who tell the truth like Alex Kemp kept there because she is worth more than the rest of the Labour group put together. You wait till the next election and see who gets voted in. That's when those who pay the piper get their say.

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    alecto

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • No chance of this incinerator thing being back in the balance because it was never in any doubt anyway. No more votes. Done that bit. Result.

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    Mad Dog

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Along with Collis you can include Chenery, Tony White, Wilkinson (who voted with the antis in full council in October and with the pros at the Cabinet the day after (was that anything to do with intimidation from GNobbs) - Morphew, Joyce,Harrison. Not only does that show lack of integrity but worst of all lack of moral fibre.

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    maryjane

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • You can forget it if you think another vote would make a difference. It might offer a bigger majority in favour though…………now there is a thought.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • I see that D has joined the conversation with his usuak intelligent comments. Alex Kemp has principles and should be encouraged on her journey. It is time that certain Norfolk politicians joined her because sinking ships need to be abandoned. Yes, I am aware this is politics in Norfolk, or should I say was politics in Norfolk. She has my full support.

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    democrat

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Just for D. I do not know Eric Pickles so I very much doubt that he would take a phone call from me. 3 posts in a row from you. Priceless.

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    democrat

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • A few more than 1, D, but not many more, There are only 1 or 2 on this forum that support dangerous pollution in King`s Lynn.

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    democrat

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Each new report adds to concerns, the details contained in a Cardiff incinerator link displays power output per tonne double that scheduled for Lynn project. The Lincolnshire incinerator experience confirms power out 20% lower than stated in their project application , it also confirms the incinerator will take priority on streaming any material with calorific value in the future diverting valuable resources away from existing and developing superior waste streams. This scenario illustrates the need for serious scrutiny of the Lynn burning project with any reappraisal to include updated residual waste data and embracing the much lower air quality degradation, lower cost and flexibility offered by waste streaming alternatives. Where is the data proving need for a long term fixed burn when residual waste is falling and competition for waste resources increasing? The C+I waste creators usually operate on short term contracts and will naturally seek the lowest cost outlet. Where is the proof that the scheduled hazardous emissions will not impact on health and environment when air quality degradation and deadly fine particle content with no safe limit is confirmed?

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    Brian W

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • The Leader of the Lib Dems and her deputy took one of those official 'toilet breaks' during the vote on John Dobson's motion at the last Full Council meeting, just as Collis did. Joining the others and having their own motion at that crucial time appears to be the degree of her disassociation.

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Leader Nobbs......totally unfit for purpose.....what an absolute disgrace....time to go.

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    Scooby

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • As usual own goal scorer Fens.cr.ap staggers into another volley of custard pies after heading the ball in the back of the net. The campaign clown still thinks only one person in the whole of Norfolk supports the idea of an incinerator. That is one heck of a pair of blinkers.

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • The majority in support of the incinerator is obviously the multi-name poster who must have a very disappointing social life until the Dinosaur Club opens that is.

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    Sandy.L

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • You can always tell how rattled a certain poster is by the number of posts under his myriad of false names usually goes through the roof. This thread is no different - the anti-Kemp sentiment is down to him and only him. The rest of us seem to agree that harassment and bullying ISN'T the way to run a party.... as usual, you scratch Nobbs and find Murphy underneath.

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    User Removed

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Castle certainly came across badly yesterday, he kept trying to say the majority of labour councillors were for it only to be told that at least half voted against. Classic.

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    Bikerboy

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • so sorry, egregious, .... that faster finger syndrom again.....

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Friday, February 14, 2014

  • By the by, did anyone hear Councillor Castle on the radio yesterday? Not only did he not know how many Labour councillors are on NCC but he also failed to realise that the majority voted AGAINST the incinerator back in October! What a plonker! If I was Alex Kemp, I'd be instructing my solicitor to start firing letters off to party HQ by now......

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    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Learning the 'ropes' means to do backroom deals, sign contracts that could bancrupt the county, without letting councillors discuss the needs for Norfolk, the plants involved, their ins and outs, nor do councillors have a vote. Did they think this would pass scrutiny? well, yes, people like Nobbs did not raise a word, bar a few cllr.s, most were oblivious to their loss of democracy and spine, some can bearly string two sentences together. And the ropes include wiping the eyes of the concerned public with lies, threats and scare tactics. I hope that Ms. Kemp never learns these ropes for dopes, because she has principles and is at pain over Labours ignorance and harrassment. She will find a large green left group, should she want to leave the Pretenders, as much concerned about her values and principles as she is. The Labour party does not deserve Cllr. Kemp.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • All rather proposterous....and what say yee GNobbs....I would quit now, while you are only this far behind...

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    Scooby

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • The reasons for continuing with the project were laid out some time back on here but they were deleted after a very short while along with the identity of the ones pushing it forwards. It is going to be built so we should accept that and support it.

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    Percy Cuted

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • The anti campaigners are out with their usual lower class insults aimed at anyone with a different view. No wonder they have been dismissed by all.

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    Del Boy

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • As I said before... rattled. lol - you poor thing, another day of your life ranting on here that you won't get back D.ick.y!!

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    User Removed

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • A tool new to the market, its called scroll a pest. (Scroll-a-Pest® …… it really works! Yes, what a wonderful and useful product for all those fictious posts appearing on your screen, Scroll a pest will just ignore them and you will read only what you want. • Imagine the time he spent on them – wasted • Picture his face going purple with frustration as his provocations are ignored • Gleefully contemplate the time and irritation you’ve just saved yourself • Enhance the pleasure by mentally chanting “pompous twaddle” as it disappears upwards off your screen. It works especially well on unhappy, bored and egrious eejits.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Friday, February 14, 2014

  • We are all entitled to an opinion and I would take exception to some lofty views here who keep making claims about one person. That line is wearing rather thin. Build it.

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    TO55ERLONG

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Erm Andy T you are aware that it was 1-3" from flooding badly? And that the ground around there is sodden....Have you considered the poor roads access? Or School less than 34 of a mile? Or community 100m fro mit? No, didn't thinks so

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    d, west lynn

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Learning the 'ropes' means to do backroom deals, sign contracts that could bancrupt the county, without letting councillors discuss the needs for Norfolk, the plants involved, their ins and outs, nor do councillors have a vote. Did they think this would pass scrutiny? well, yes, people like Nobbs did not raise a word, bar a few cllr.s, most were oblivious to their loss of democracy and spine, some can bearly string two sentences together. And the ropes include wiping the eyes of the concerned public with lies, threats and scare tactics. I hope that Ms. Kemp never learns these ropes for dopes, because she has principles and is at pain over Labours ignorance and harrassment. She will find a large green left group, should she want to leave the Pretenders, as much concerned about her values and principles as she is. The Labour party does not deserve Cllr. Kemp.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Kemp has finally realised that not having a political friend in the world is not a good place to be. About as popular as garlic at the dentists. Making promises you cannot keep to desperate people is also a bad idea. A few more years and she would have learned the ropes a bit better. Until then my advice would be to stay low and quiet and forget about the anti incinerator trouble makers.

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Ha ha. We must never forget what we were told some time ago from the same source which was : Democrat Thursday, January 23, 2014; “Not wise. Just in the know. “ Priceless.

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    George Peters

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

  • Site not flooded Andy? Just get on your bike and take a closer look - it most certainly is now.

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    Sandy.L

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Sorry in my annoyance at Nobbs I should have stated UKIP and the Greens were the only political goups, not individuals, with any credibility. We all know the individual cross party councillors who have stood up for what is right for Norfolk such as Cllr Dobson, Cllr Long and Cllr East, Cllr Law, Clr Jermy it is the cretins such as Nobbs, Joyce, Castle, Harrison and Co who have brought their political groups into disrepute and NCC into a standing joke of an authority.

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    Canary Boy

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Around 800,000 people in the County which means over 738,000 are in support of this incinerator. Start putting it together. That is the majority opinion.

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    Sherlock

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • I understand cabinet member for Education is being his usual obnoxious self, living in Gorleston I am not fully conversant with the going’s on in Kings Lynn but with Castle involved you can bet your bottom dollar Castle will go opposite to what the Electorate wants a prime case the Outer Harbour he scuttled the Electorate’s need only to end up now working against the outer Harbour’s need, in wartime Castle would have been a prime candidate for Mosely Black Shirts

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    John L Cooper

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Good to see that the councillors are finally joining up in favour. A good solid show is the best way forward. Kemp will either have to leave or fall in line. I think she will do the latter now she sees the project is going ahead. A full house beats two pairs.

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    Sherlock

    Wednesday, February 12, 2014

  • Interesting to see if Liz Truss has to say anything about losing the waste credits. How much more time and money needs to be wasted on this? Get on and build it. The site is perfect as its one of the few areas that has not been flooded!

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    Andy T

    Tuesday, February 11, 2014

  • Good to see Alex Kemp is sticking to her principles along with the other councillors, who are determined to prevent Norfolk being saddled with an out of date costly incinerator for the next 25 years. An extraordinary general meeting of the county council has been requested for April.

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    Bikerboy

    Thursday, February 13, 2014

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