Norfolk County councillor quits Labour group in protest at incinerator proposals

Councillor Alex Kemp. Picture: Matthew Usher. Councillor Alex Kemp. Picture: Matthew Usher.

Thursday, February 27, 2014
5:09 PM

A West Norfolk county councillor has today quit the Labour group to become an Independent.

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Alexandra Kemp, county councillor for Clenchwarton and Lynn South, has resigned from the group to join Richard Bird as an Independent.

It means that Labour now has 14 councillors at County Hall, the same as UKIP, with the Tories on 40, LibDem 10, Green 4 and Independent 2.

Ms Kemp said she was quitting because she was not prepared to toe the party line on controversial plans for an incinerator, near King’s Lynn.

She said: “In the Labour group and the Conservative group on the council, they have the whip systems, which means you are forced to vote in a certain way.

“I’m against the proposal for an incinerator near King’s Lynn, but at every meeting, pressure was being put on me by the Labour group not to vote or speak about it, despite it being a key manifesto pledge for me.

“All the people in my division have supported me on it and asked me to fight for them. We are supposed to speak up on their behalf.

“We need to have control over our own fate in west Norfolk. I would like to see the party whip system abolished at County Hall.

“I’m quitting because it got to a point where I felt I could no longer go to the meetings.

“I felt that that the Labour Whip wanted to get rid of me, because I would not toe the party line.

“I wrote to the Leader of the Council George Nobbs to speak to him, but he won’t meet me. George has not spoken to me for about a year, but my door is always open for him.”

She was elected last May for a 4-year term as a county councillor, and her resignation won’t prompt a new election.

As reported, Communities secretary Eric Pickles has yet to make a decision on whether to allow planning permission for the £596m Norfolk incinerator.

Critics of the incinerator have been pushing for the county council to come up with a Plan B, saying it would be cheaper to send it to Suffolk or Amsterdam.

The county council has always said the incinerator is value for money and would save taxpayers millions of pounds a year compared to landfill.

The leader of Norfolk County Council, George Nobbs was unavailable for comment.

128 comments

  • I say. Pity she went. I though she was rather amusing. Not amusing enough to keep though. Another one trick pony put out to grass. Tally ho and all that.

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    Sir Montague Baden-Philips

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • Someone that tells people they never tell a lie is usually a serial porkie pie merchant as we all know. Is this the same person who said the cheque is in the post ?

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    Inactive account

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Kemp is an idealist not a politician. Political pygmies often have their ill conceived aspirations knocked out of them when they enter the corridors of power. Only membership of the current winning team and being a high flyer at that equates to achievement of ones own desires. Big gestures and shouting from the sidelines never cuts the mustard. She may draw her allowance for a while yet and then vanish forever as have so many unwanted turncoats before her. Nice try my dear but no cigar.

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • PS Collis and Wilkinson the borough elections in May will see you put in your place you do not repesent the people you are a disgrace.

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    Canary Boy

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Kemp; "George has not spoken to me for about a year, but my door is always open for him.” This woman is a bit carried away with herself. Who does she think she is ?

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    Sherlock

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • All those who ‘claimed’ to be in full support of the anti campaign and were elected via the sympathy vote have since drunk deep from the cup of local power. It is a magical chalice with the ability to turn minds and hearts and is rarely cast aside. The thirst begins again at the next election. New promises, new challenges, new campaigns and campaigners. Same dry lipped friends to all on the hustings bearing dishonest promise. Forgive the electorate. For they know not what they vote for.

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Have any of the mean spirited individuals who I assume are members of the nasty parties stopped to think that Alex Kemp has been voted in twice because of who she is, not for the party to which she once paid allegiance. Rather in spite of that fact. So your nasty remarks don't insult her. They insult the people who voted her in. Keep it up. You are doing the independents and UKIP a power of good. Thank you for your tireless work.

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    alecto

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • First West Norfolk had Murphy, Leader of the Council and Conservative Party taking action with Cllr Dobson over his stance on the incinerator and now we have Nobbs, Leader of the Council and Labour Party and their most desp.icable action with Cllr Kemp. I’d say the uns.avoury connection between the two comes from being Leader of the Council and the need the position holds for such close knit workings with NCC officials. Stop hiding Nobbs, you o.we the people of West Norfolk an explanation now, not only why you did an about turn as soon as you became Leader (surely something Nick Conrad is keen to ask you as well), why you have gone against your own Party Election Manifesto, but why you have sto.oped so low to distance yourself from what has been going on in your own Party and allow bul.lying by others? The time has come for you to follow Sands and Castle out of the door over this or do you want to go down as the person res.ponsible for Norfolk's own K.iev-style rev.olution?

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    Honest John

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Same pattern as the last administration! The leader kept his councillors under control except for John Dobson and Brian Long. My opinion NCC had had not given much thought on recycling and opted for scorched earth policy. The best solution would be to scrap the incinerator because it will haunt NCC for decades. George Nobbs and the Labour party could have dominated Norfolk as a party to be trusted but opted to reward Wheelabrator for bringing the County into disrepute and history of polluting and fraud.

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    Alan Allan

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • So it's ok for GNobbs to nag the S.O.S for a decision, claiming it would be difficult to set a budget without an answer? Even Borat was at it, sending letters asking for a quick decision. You would think these experienced councillors would know better than to nag.

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    Bikerboy

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • I thought a donkey demo was an equine march. Back on to the topic I agree Kemp was out of her depth and needed to quit Labour. Thing is people voted Labour and not 'Kemp' so she should step down. She has used Labour.

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    The-Blue-Flag

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Who would have thought that the Labour party, who CLAIM to represent the ordinary man in the street, would bu.lly and in.timidate a thoroughly descent lady to the point that she had to leave the party she worshiped because they demanded that she betr.ayed everyone who voted for her. Cllr Ke.mp represents the ordinary person who voted for her on the promise that she would do all in her power to stop the inc.inerator. The other Labour be.trayers simply li.ed to gain votes and will reap the reward for their be.trayal at the next election. Shame on the lot of them!

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    Canary Boy

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Alex Kemp is a refreshing breath of fresh air. At long last someone is prepared to take risks for democracy. This is of vital importance for the future if the current crop of con men (and women) acting as councillors are to be ousted. A small start but so was the suffragette movement to begin with, and look how that changed Britain.

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    democrat

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • So are you telling us D that you were an anti all along and that really you were just trying to inspire us to perform better?

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    democrat

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Er, no Dic.kens, you advised them to ‘cross the floor’ to the Conservatives, and gain their trust. In fact you rubbished those standing as Independents old pal and said they would get nowhere.

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Alex is so refreshingly genuine and honest. She will take all her Labour voters with her to the Independents. They will vote for democracy NOT Demoralisation. Let's hope all Norfolk now sees the light!

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    Sandy.L

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Glad to see you know what you've achieved Dic.ke.ns! However, your emulation of Churchill is an insult to the man himself.

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    Sandy.L

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • So Di.ckens you are only someones messenger boy! What a surprise I once, briefly, thought you were someone in a position of power. Who is paying you CW or NCC? Both had a communcation strategy which was lain down like a military exercise. I have read the massive NCC document but saw nothing about a messenger boy, plenty on using the media and cllrs to spread their propaganda but nothing on tea, sorry, messenger boys. Suppose that leaves CW but I cant imagine them using such an ineffective little man for so long. They soon gave Jeffrey the order of the boot from their office at the inquiry old John Boldon was furious that his lack of discretion revealled to all attending that he appeared to be working for them.

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    Canary Boy

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Alexandra Kemp is a decent and honest politician. The real villains of the piece and the leading "bullies" are George Nobbs and Mick Castle. They should be falling on their swords, not Alexandra. But it has taught us that the modern Labour Party is unprincipled and unreliable. Even their manifestos are window dressing to be abandoned when election festivities are over. It is now impossible to vote for the Tories who introduced the incinerator contract with its Sword of Damocles compensation clause and impossible to vote forLabour whose promises are not worth the paper they are written on. Note also that Ann Black of the Labour NEC did a Pontius Pilate job on reports about local Labour failings and The leader of the Labour Party, Milliband has no control on the reins of the once people's party and is also unelectable. What is left of honest politicians? UKIP?

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    Vernon Moyse

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Stupid of Labour to take control of NCC to implement Tory cuts. Alex isn't the only Labour councillor with qualms by the way. George Nobbs and Mick Castle are as popular as measles with Norfolk members.

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    Henry the cat

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Hapless own goal scorer Fens.cr.ap staggers into the goal post yet again and taps another one into the net. The campaign clown has lost all credibility and resorts entirely to insult in its futile attempt to score a point. Bereft of argument and knowing the campaign is lost it is all that remains. A great pity that some of this worthless energy was not properly directed into assisting the campaign instead of destroying any shred of moral high ground it once had so effectively.

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    Dickens

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • My input was intended to inspire and give a wake up call which it did. Prior to that all that existed was an endless round of group back slapping and childish name calling of anyone that disagreed. The finest way to rouse a limp campaign is to demonstrate its weaknesses and point it in the right direction. Poking a pack of angry wolves with a stick is often the best way to obtain a reaction from them. The failure of the campaign to act in an intelligent or positive way is a legacy it may reflect on in the fullness of time. Unfortunately it would appear that the intelligence failure remains very much alive.

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    Dickens

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Own goal scorer Fens.cr.ap heads another in off the post. The clown of the anti campaign, who has done more damage than most to it, should have been shown the red card long ago but played on. Priceless to the last.

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    Dickens

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Oh dear Geo.rge!! I fear that was a really big mistake you made when you refused to talk to A.lex Ke.mp. She has more guts and more support than you’ll ever have. Norfolk Labour party at County Hall has made itself a laughing stock, unfit for purpose, clearly unfit to make democratic decisions and a group that uses outdated thinking and ‘bully-boy’ tactics to get their own way. It is an absolute disgrace that one of your elected councillors should be treated so disgustingly. Where are the backbones of the Labour councillors that were elected on a promise to fight against the King’s Lynn incinerator but now ‘toe’ your party line? Somewhere in Norwich’s gutter I assume. It’s time the practice of ‘toeing the party line’ was archived by all parties not just those who have 'joined up' thinking and a moral conscience.

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    Sandy.L

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Alexandra Kemp was told to choose between slavishly following the single neurone Labour herd or stand up for the people of her district. Well done Alex, you did right. You showed that it is possible to be a decent councillor. Now go away and think hard other Labour Councillors because your voters do not like people who behave like you. And remember you twin hatters you could be history in the District elections. Remember Terry Jermy how close it was? Show Gnobbs and his bully boys what you are made of or show your voters you are a craven coward. Your choice.

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    alecto

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • That just goes to show you know nothing. I like many others voted for Cllr Kemp, not for Labour! What are you so scared of that you need to post so many posts all under different names day after day trying to insult her? You should read back to see how path.etic you really are. Don't bother with your usual response about insults, because that's all you do.

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    Bikerboy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Dear Derrick aka Del Boy you would be happy to hear this news BUT think again! Cllr Ke.mp is now free to blow the whistle on what has happened to her. The Labour group are in disgrace and at the next election will return to a group of 3 if that! It will not be the con men who pick up the other seats it will be UKIP or the Greens.

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    Canary Boy

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • As someone who voted for Alex, I can tell you I voted for her and not the Labour party. I'm sure many others did too.

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    Bikerboy

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Whipping the so named ‘Independents’ into shape and getting them to cross the floor in a Trojan Horse manoeuvre would have indeed placed the required number of spies in the Tory camp that would have granted the campaign sufficient inside information to enable them to make the right moves instead of the wrong ones. At the time the campaigners claimed they had many elected supporters. If so they should have heeded good advice and given themselves unto Caesar for the time required. Instead they followed the advice a certain Mr Knights & Co. Now let us conclude which would have been the better move to have made ? Politics is not played off a straight bat. It is a very dirty business indeed. You have to be ahead of all the opposition by any means fair or foul.

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • You don't half talk some nonsense D. Cllr Kemp ain't going anywhere. She has the support of her constituents, the borough council, the local MP's and many County councillors too.

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    Bikerboy

    Thursday, March 6, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;……..”The entire thing was stage managed and rehearsed well in advance. “………Tried to give a big enough hint. Not big enough for Norfolk it seems.

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    Dickens

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • ....because lobbying does nothing in the real world does it? The usual baseless tosh from Lord He Haw as he scrabbles to stop himself slipping down the plughole of his own importance.

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    User Removed

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Please can you help me with my maths? County Incinerator solution, excluding any (cashback or penalties) £105 per tonne gate fee times 170,000 tonnes per annum times 25 years equals £446,250,000. Compared, like for like, with West Norfolk’s alternative recycling proposal… £55 per tonne times 170,000 times 25 equals £233,750,000. The saving using the recycling approach is therefore £446,250,000 minus £233,750,000 giving £212,500,000 minus the contract exit fee of, say £35,000,000, which equals £179,500,000. That’s 7,100,000 a year. Am I missing something, because I can’t see any value for money from sticking to the incinerator contract? Can you?

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    Kadmos

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Kemp says that Cllr Nobbs has not spoken to her for a year. He is in a very long queue of others who have not spoken to her either. About as popular as slug on a salad.

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    George Peters

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • If councillors do not communicate like the last administration and deal out punishment for not towing the party line, the public have been short-changed. Something is not quite right in County Hall to push through an incinerator especially when East of the County rejected Costessey showing no consensus. Councillors are elected to serve the public that pays them. They should not reward companies like Wheelabrator who have been fined many times for violations. How many Councillors have to resign or be voted out of power at the expense of burdening the County with a white elephant incinerator! Quote George Nobbs “The Now Infamous Incinerator” writing in the Lynn News when he jumped on the anti-incinerator wagon to help Alex Kemp at the Clenchwarton By-election.

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    wattonlad

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • She knows she'd not have got elected as an independent.

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    Jeffrey Osborne

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • “I felt that that the Labour Whip wanted to get rid of me" - Nothing gets past her does it ?

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    George Peters

    Thursday, March 6, 2014

  • Typical the only pro supporter resulting to insults. First borough councillors, then local MP's now insulting Cllr Kemp who has more ba.lls than he will ever have.

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    Maxim

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • Dic.kens, the only person back slapping and chil.dish name calling was you old pal. Your input was intended to make you look clever, it didn’t work, you have never known what has been going on behind the scenes of the campaign, you still don’t, your no.se is put out so you reta.liate with put downs. Continue by all means old pal, so.ur gr.apes are hard to shake, we all know the real failure has been at NCC, a classic example of an intelligence vacuum.

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    Honest John

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • A deeply unpopular lady with few political friends and even those sing another tune when she is not around. She should step down and allow a more experienced person to do the job. Not someone who will be missed or welcomed anywhere in local government.

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    Richard The Third

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • What the Dic.kens Lord Haw Haw! The Canaries wanted the call in, you mean they wanted to lose the PFI, spend £millions more, be subjected to closer scrutiny and leave everything up in the air. Of course they did, that rock hit you on the head old pal.

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Cllr Kemp dramatically increased her majority at the last County Council elections finishing 324 votes ahead of UKIP with the Conservative coming in 3rd and last. This was result was recognition of her effectiveness as a county councillor, especially in opposition to the incinerator. It is worth noting that this division was a Tory stronghold beforehand. The county Labour Group needed Cllr Kemp more than she needed them. Incidentally, an Extraordinary General Meeting of Full Council is being called on 3rd April to discuss the incinerator contract - again. Dear Cllrs, if the get out clause is atrocious, think how much worse it is to go ahead. Another opportunity for NCC to put the incinerator out of our misery, save taxpayers hundreds of millions and rescue King's Lynn from falling under an unpleasant cloud.

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    Kadmos

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Canary Boy, would you say that the line from Dickens’ email “Freedom of info can help if time and patience is at hand. but some has already been ‘lost’ to the shredder.” is someone knowingly concealing illegal acts, participating themselves even?

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Oh Dic.kens, I’m trying to admir.e your tena.city but you make too many mis.takes old pal. You had the opportunity to assist the campaign without public exp.osure or talking in rid.dles when one of them wrote to you, it would have remained con.fidential so we have no way of knowing if you replied – so did you? Isn’t it a shame Jackson didn’t take up your advice when he pes.tered Defra so much they finally removed the PFI, he even put in a com.plaint about the chap not replying when he was on holiday, and this from an officer you claim as the knowledgeable ones! We’ll stick with Fenscape, you’re confusing the two goals old pal.

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    Honest John

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Even funnier watching demo. I think that's the one who claimed to be "In the know". What a prize joker.

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    Inactive account

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • HJ yes the messenger boy is always indicating ill.egal practice I am sure that I am not the only person who copy pastes the comments to prove to ministers the deceptions used by those behind the scheme.

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    Canary Boy

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Poor old Honest John. Still boxing shadows and winding itself up. You can always spot a loser with a thorn in its shoe. Not my fault you made the wrong call pal. You have been doing it long enough so you should be getting used to it by now. You lost (again) deal with it.

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    Dickens

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I cannot agree that democrat is a donkey. He says some things worth reading sometimes. Unlike one off topic ignoramus. Nuff said.

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    Not A Nimby

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Never was he a good strategic tactician!! Sorry,but you obviously have never met one!! He just thought he was, along with thinking he could lie and bully his way through. He set out to destroy everything in his wake and practically succeeded except for the efforts of the group who have fought him all the way and will continue to do so. The likes of Borat and Nobbs and others still feel his hand on their collars and will continue to do so until they 'man up' and face him down. Sorry I forgot they are too wet.

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    maryjane

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • A lacklustre participant of the Eton Wall Game is stepping away from politics after trying to call in some favours. The trouble is there are none to call in and the ear bending nuisance has discovered the malady known as professional deafness. A minister tells him that he cannot always have what he wants and not to be too disappointed if things do not go his way. He is asked to make a good attempt at a public show of trying. He manages this but fails to pass on the bad news to his loyal followers. The great pretender will survive into a new career and into calmer waters. A nice little quango to push up the old pension pot. Nice one H. They never felt a thing did they ? You old rogue.

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    Dickens

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • OK, just for the sake of argument, let’s suppose West Norfolk's recycling proposal fails and all that wood, paper, plastic, food and the like we are so keen to throw away, rather than recycle, must all be burnt to satisfy the pyromaniacs amongst us. Why not be good little Nimby’s and send it to Amsterdam at £75 per tonne? The cost is £75 times 170,000 times 25 which equals £318,750,000. The saving this time is £446,250,000 minus £318,750,000 giving £127,500,000 minus the contract exit fee of, say £35,000,000, which equals £92,500,000 or £3,700,000 a year. Am I still missing something, because I still can’t see any value for money from sticking to the Willows incinerator contract? Can you?

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    Kadmos

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Totally agree Horace. I have the utmost respect for any councillor who represents their division and keeps their manifesto pledges. This isn't necessarily a party whip issue or toeing the line - it is more about those councillors who stated in their manifesto that they would fight to get rid of the incinerator and have stuck to that pledge. Isn't that right George..??!! No wonder he was 'unavailable for comment'..!

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    Scooby

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Dear Canary aka 'George' you seem to think I am Murphy well think again pal. Cannot stand the sight of the man. Typical anti campaigner guesswork. Hears all, sees all but knows nothing.

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    Del Boy

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Surprised it took this long for her to go away but at least she did it herself so history will show she walked out. Trouble is this is all over and forgotten very soon and she has to spend the rest of her time unable to get anything done for her constituents because everyone will blank her. Might just as well resign for all the good she will be now.

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    Stanley T

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Kemp is not knowing what is what and is better off with the other amateur fellow in independents isn't it.

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    Mr Raj Patel

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;……….” Do not be taken in because now elections are over old friendships have been renewed. “……What did you need - a lump of rock to fall ?

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • @Dic.kens...'The pawn Kemp has now placed herself off the chess board'...she certainly has not taken herself off the chess board....perhaps more of a 'castling' manoeuvre! I am surprised it has taken you this long to come on to this board and blow your hot air, again. The likes of Ms Kemp, and no doubt soon, others who have failed their electorate, but will now have seen the courage in her conviction to do what is right, will be calling the tune going forward. The integrity of the Labour Party has hit rock bottom....a definite check mate play by Ms Kemp. The Leader must knock over his King..!

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    Scooby

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Nobbski: вона не була змушена покинути в результаті перевороту; це була революція порядності

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    Mr Cameron Isaliar

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • I am reliably informed that GNobbs attempted to scupper the incinerator debate on the 13 May 2013. Had the Labour Group nomination for a temporary chair succeed, the plan was to "move to next business" when item 8 (the incinerator) came up... It begs the question was there ever any intention to honour their manifesto pledge to "use all legal means to suspend any plans for building any incinerators in Norfolk"? I suspect not. What value does GNobbs put on local people’s environmental concerns when he rides roughshod over our views - as he has and continues to do with the proposed King's Lynn incinerator? Is it any wonder that a responsible and decent councillor like Alex Kemp wants nothing to do with that lot?

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    Kadmos

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • D,stop pretending you know what happens in government departments. Judging by your comments you are clearly ignorant of the machinations involved. There is a great sensitivity towards "1500 pages of complex moaning", especially when a general election is due.

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    democrat

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Dic.kens as soon as any news breaks you pop up with I told you so, seeing it as an opportunity to bash those opposing the incinerator when it’s doubtful you even know any of them. You certainly have no more idea what is going on behind the scenes than the tomatoes in our fridge, and no background knowledge on Cllr Kemp either, slipping or what old pal? You must be referring to Murphy as an unwanted turncoat, couldn’t believe how quickly people lost interest in him when nice Cllr Borrett took over and he blew a golden opportunity to turn the tables on County Hall. As you say he’s no different from all the others, when the crunch came he didn’t have the bottle, v.ested interests and all that.

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • she could effectively allow the Tories back into power was she a stooge

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    Double Bill

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • This issue has wider implications. The fact that, in effect, conservative and labour councillors are hobbled, gagged and totally ineffectual to those who vote them into office means that any pet project being pushed by officers and the leader will be carried because any cllr who voices valid objections will be shut up and removed from decision making committees. I understand Cllr Dixon is likely to be the next to have to be.tray those who voted for him on 21st March when the LeFarge application for RAF Coltishall is before the planning committee. Will he have the courage to stand up for the man in the street he represents, like Cllr Ke.mp has, or will he join Cllr Collis in the toilet when it comes to voting??? Wake up time Norfolk a vote for either Labour or Conservative is a totally wasted vote which ensures that the individual has no voice at council.

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    Canary Boy

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • We must stick to the topic and be good to one and all. Personally I thought this lady was not right for the job and it is good she has decided to go for the easy option and step aside. She could deal with other things such as the floral displays in the town centre. They need pepping up a bit.

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    Right Reverend Fuller

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Party politics should not come into parish, town, district or county councils These people are there to represent the people not a party. The more independents the better.

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    jennifer jane

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • I agree strongly with the earlier comment about Ms Kemp doing something about the floral displays in the town centres. A few extra hanging baskets and some scented displays perhaps. Come on Ms Kemp show them what you are made of. I think this is something she could really get her teeth into now she is an independent.

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    Percy Cuted

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Better to jump than waiting to be pushed, what what. But is it a futile gesture if the porcine one is going to stitch up you little yokels anyway, I mean, why else delay the announcement until after the Euros if it wouldn't risk haemorrhaging support for fellow wasters like Van Ordinary? LOL

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    Mr Cameron Isaliar

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Demo claims to have never told a lie. Never. Puts him in the same company as American Presidents, the Police, Politicians all, estate agents and double glazing salesmen. They never lie either. Any more classic remarks chum ?

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    Inactive account

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • If we did not know it already, this really is the end for local democracy in Norfolk. I just wish that Cllr Kemp's fourteen former colleagues would follow suit.

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    Nemesis

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • A question Dick.ens - If your lump of Rock were to fall would it cause the Cliff face to crumble?

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    Sandy.L

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • You actually know me well D, and so if you can figure out who I am (democrat is a clue), then you will already be aware that I do not lie.

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    democrat

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Possibly the best way forward in any campaign is to make the play and stay away. The worst is always to make the play and then become a nagging thorn. Government departments look at objections if they are less than six lines on a sheet of A4 in large print. 1500 pages of complex moaning does not cut it. Worst thing any campaign can do is pester and try to show that there has been some sort of conspiracy or illegal practice. Character assassinations of Governments Officers and elected people and the constant smearing of others always leads to sympathy for those under attack and in the case of this campaign I can tell you that it has backfired in a spectacular way. The campaign has in effect destroyed its own chances and the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of a few not very bright loose cannons who had no captain to steer the ship.

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    Dickens

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • It is very funny watching D thrash around. He pretends to be in the know (and has different strategies to gain information or influence the decision) but has no connections other than local ones. This decision has been dealt with at government level and after MP`s got involved was out of the hands of Norfolk County Council. Of more importance is the fact that Alex Kemp is being treated very badly, just for sticking up for her constituents, as per the Labour Party manifesto. It`s time to start cleaning up politics.

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    democrat

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • A County Councillor in Norfolk with principles. Whatever next?

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    democrat

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;……….”Carefully played to show opposition but all of that opposition can be easily overcome and will be piece by piece. The entire thing was stage managed and rehearsed well in advance. “………What did you need - a lump of rock to fall ?

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    Dickens

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • I wish this woman had gone much sooner. She only managed to irritate her own party and little else. All quiet now. Silence is golden. Cue the complaints to the Standards Committee.

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    Lyn from Lynn

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • It appears Cllr Kemp may well have something that No B.alls George and his s.ackless followers are envious of.

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    Honest John

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • To win in the politics game you need a careful plan, ruthless cunning, great oratory, and the ability to convince everyone you are their best friend. Kemp was lacking and was never destined to amount to much politically. Best stick to what you know.

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Good on you Alex. It a shame more councillors don't represent the people who voted them in to office.

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    Bikerboy

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • The problem with Labour in Norfolk is that they will accept just about anyone to stand in elections. If you can count to ten and whistle the Red Flag then you're in. I hope they have learned from this.

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    Mrs Willingale

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • In order for Kemp to be an Independent she needed to be voted in as one which of course would never have happened and never will. Parasite politics always leads to the electorate being under represented in this way.

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    Magwitch

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;……….”The Opposition can help you but they will not be willing as you might be led to believe - although they will spin some other line to take the heat off themselves. Some close know all there is to know but you are unlikely to get anything from them unless they are nailed to a cross.”…………What did you need - a lump of rock to fall ?

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Probably better off with the other independent. At least the rest of the councillors can have a good laugh at two instead of one. No apologies for being frank about it but we all know what independents usually achieve. Sweet FA.

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    Inactive account

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • Please don`t judge me by your standards D. A person who does lie would automatically assume that others do. Basic psychology.

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    democrat

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • This Kemp person is politically bankrupt and as no longer part of Labour (the party she used to get elected) she is there under false pretences. Time to get rid altogether.

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    Inactive account

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;……..”all sides are closely tied to the Party and must do as they are told or they are out in the cold “………What did you need - a lump of rock to fall ?

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • You can only attempt through a forum such as this to offer information that is sensitive with great care. Obviously it would be unwise and possibly unlawful to name names etc but by exercising a degree of caution it is always possible to part with a great deal of useful knowledge is such a way that those who need help can use it to their advantage and use it well. In order to remain under the radar it is also necessary not to appear too friendly at the risk of being exposed. It is on the other hand an unfortunate circumstance indeed that places those one intends to help into the category of an enemy because they do not possess the wit to know the difference.

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    Dickens

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Kemp lady not experienced enough to do politic isn't it. You need to be crafty fellow and plenty resourceful. Dickie Bird is not sitting on wall alone any longer. Two dickie birds on wall now isn't it ?

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    Mr Raj Patel

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;………”Requesting a ‘call in’ is exactly what the Canaries want and to do so will play into their own strategy. As explained some months ago a call in will take the heat out of it for the local boys and is the preferred option when they want something but do not want to state the fact publicly. “ ……… What did you need - a lump of rock to fall ?

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • FEB 8th 2011;……….”Carefully played to show opposition but all of that opposition can be easily overcome and will be piece by piece. The entire thing was stage managed and rehearsed well in advance. “………How big a hint did you need ?

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Good on her, it's a pity more don't represent their electorate.

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    Catton Man

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Canary Boy, would you say that the line from Dic.kens’ email “Freedom of info can help if time and patience is at hand. but some has already been ‘lost’ to the shredder.” is someone knowingly conc.ealing ille.gal ac.ts, participating themselves even?

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    Honest John

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Many of Labours male councillors would have long crumbled under the kind of pressure Cllr. Kemp had to endure. It is sad that party politics has pushed a principled woman out and it manifests George previous conservative principles, far from those ideas that created the Labour party, the worst excesses of champagne socialism can hold their mettle next to this kind of vilification, which finally resulted in an inevitable exit from dinosaur politics. Well done Alex, there;s life after Labour, those who voted you in will support you, no doubt, whether George can expect Labour votes is questionable, maybe Torys will be told to vote for him, who knows, he's such a good egg, or was it the fly in the ointment?

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Good to see Cllr Kemp being supported by all parties on the Borough council. Even our MP is backing her. So much for certain persons on here claiming there was no support! Also reports still claiming the NCC Labour group haven't commented on the matter. Just goes to show what a spineless lot they are.

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    Bikerboy

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • I wonder why he is so rattled by Cllr Kemp leaving the Labour group. The numerous post below slating her must mean he is afraid of something?

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    Bikerboy

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • The Labour HQ big party tonight sounds as though it will be packed out. Word on the street is that a few faces from other groups are going as well. There will be a queue to get the first round in and no prizes for guessing what the toast will be.

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    Canary Brain

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Kemp will not be ‘blowing the whistle’ on anything of note or value and certainly not the privileged information that to date she appears to have failed to convey to the electorate she so loudly claims to support. How do I know this ? Well shall we say a ‘Little Bird’ told me. She now faces the political stone wall of Norfolk.

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • And so, right on cue, the donkey resorts to his long list of alternative user ids. Why have an adult debate when the grown-ups have to deal with lord He Haw's childish tactics? Game, set and match old chum!

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Same pattern as the last administration! The leader kept his councillors under control except for John Dobson and Brian Long. My opinion NCC had had not given much thought on recycling and opted for scorched earth policy. The best solution would be to scrap the incinerator because it will haunt NCC for decades. George Nobbs and the Labour party could have dominated Norfolk as a party to be trusted but opted to reward Wheelabrator for bringing the County into disrepute and history of polluting and fraud.

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    Alan Allan

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • I agree with you D. Politics is an extremely dirty business.

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    democrat

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Perhaps now the anti campaign will realise what they were warned about years ago. They were strongly advised to shore up their ‘independents’ and whip them into shape and to have no truck with others. Instead they put their faith in Labour and the Lib-Green Something’s. Deaf ears have again cost them dear. The pawn Kemp has now placed herself off the chess board. Politics is a very dirty business.

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    Dickens

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • The "political pygmies" in all of this will soon to be seen as the inner sanctum of the County Council, along with a self-obsessed person who posts on this forum. He knows even less than the County Council.

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    democrat

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Not so much Lord Haw Haw as Lord He Haw. Our pet donkey is rattled again - just look below to see him in all his glory.... Glad to see that I am continuing to jab at that exposed nerve; I will whistle again for you tomorrow old chum.

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    User Removed

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • Ignore HJ he knows about as much about the incinerator as a bouncer does about physics. Just look back, read and have a good laugh.

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    Inactive account

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Rarely in the field of local politics was so little achieved by one person for so few.

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    Dickens

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • Rabid own goal scorer Fens.cr.ap slides on another banana skin into a bucket of soap flakes as more time is wasted yapping under the wrong tree. The campaign clown loses the last grains of credibility as the remaining moments of the final episode draws to a close. The campaign was offered on a plate an insight into every move before it happened three years in advance and instead of grabbing it with both arms they took the Normal For Norfolk route instead and attacked everything in sight and shot the messenger. A bit too deep was it ? A saucer of milk seems too deep for some.

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    Dickens

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Does anyone care who may be who on here ? I don't think so old bean. Some of us have done rather better than others but what does that matter? Quite a lot actually. Thing is old love no one gives a fig about anyone in this world. Look at Kemp as an example. Gone and soon forgotten.

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    Sir Montague Baden-Philips

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Good on her, it's a pity more don't represent their electorate.

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    Catton Man

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Amsterdam at £75 a tonne? At least £275 more like I think you will find with a closer examination.

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    Inactive account

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • @Dic.ens....what a load of sycophantic tosh...

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    Scooby

    Sunday, March 2, 2014

  • Why is my question to d.ick.ens not being allowed? It appears he can make up little 'posers' but we cannot respond with like. I only asked : If your lump of Rock were to fall would it cause the Cliff face to crumble? Not too hard to answer I'd have thought.

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    Sandy.L

    Saturday, March 1, 2014

  • A.Kemp : “I felt that that the Labour Whip wanted to get rid of me" Wow. Nothing gets past this woman does it ?

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    George Peters

    Thursday, March 6, 2014

  • The leadership at NCC stinks.

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    Scooby

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • George Nobbs Alexandra Kemp She demonstrates backbone, bottle, bxlls and integrity. The other is .........quite frankly, not worth recognition.

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    Dictate

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Well the man behind many names, when you wrote to the antis giving your advice, as Mark D, telling them how to defeat the incinerator, which you often repeat wearing the Di.ckens hat, you refered to Murphy as DelBoy just as you referred to linnets (wnbc) canaries (NCC) little boss (ND) etc, etc. Love your little riddles dont you but what a very unpleasant, little man you are!! What was it that David White famously said? Oh yes Murphy often talked in riddles, amongst other things, that is why he recorded him was it not? You are right about one thing politics is a very dirty business you would know that first hand being one of the least savoury people involved.

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    Canary Boy

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Local Labour are throwing a celebration party tonight. Should be good.

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    Mr A. Schicklgruber

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • GNobbs has been unavailable for quite a long time, wouldn’t answer to Nick Conrad, no comment to the EDP, when’s he coming out of hiding then? What’s the next thing we’ll find, Castle’s running the Labour Group and GNobbs is his pu.ppet?

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Henry the cat. I hope you are right I am sorely dissapointed with Cllr Jermy who I thought was of the same calibre as Cllr K.emp. Those two brought hope that the people would have an honest voice in County Hall, one has been bu.llied and int.imidated into leaving the group one assumes the other has sold their soul for a committee seat and the money that attracts. Wonder what Jo Rust thinks she had the power to oust Henry before Nobbs and Castle betra.yed us and called Sands to brandish his wh.ip.

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    Canary Boy

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Demo and Honest should have spent less time complaining to the EDP which was rather sad and achieved absolutely nothing did it ? You can help some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can never help Norfolk people at any time. Do not misunderstand me. I have all the time in the world for the old sugar beet shifters but they are about as sharp as cardboard. You will be claiming I am Murphy’s brother in law next. As for knowing what is going behind the scenes of the campaign I know exactly what is happening and have done for years. Nothing. A large zero. Jack.

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    Dickens

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • No Dictate.....the other is Not Fit for Purpose

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    Scooby

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • West Norfolk councils proposal is just talk and the figures are purely speculative and probably wildy inaccurate. They haven't even got a set of drawings or even a site sorted out so I think we can take anything from them with a large pinch of salt.

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    John Fisher

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • It seems to me at least that Democrat and Honest John are upset in the extreme at getting everything so wrong for so long. Obviously they know so much they will be best placed to advise the anti group what happens next. They have boasted about it enough. The ides of March were bad for JC. How will the be for MK? The anti campaign boss had better give these two a call and find out.

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    Inactive account

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Er, so your advice Dic.kens was for all those who actually wanted to vote against the incinerator to join the Tory camp where they would be wh.ipped to vote in favour of the incinerator or face a DobsonKemp evic.tion notice? Although this would be considered a rather cunning plan for Bal.drick it is more Murphy.esque, you know when he kept trying to get the likes of that plum Langw.ade elected in place of your pals Do.bby and Blo.bby. NCC are failing so badly because they’re not far enough ahead any more, underestimating opposition has been their big downfall, I was really surprised Murphy made such a mess of it because he was a good strategic tactician.

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • Maryjane, I didn’t say he wasn’t an arr.ogant shor.tsighted bul.lying bar steward residing in a lep.er colony, but you can’t deny the way he led Daniel Cox and co to their own slaughter while attempting Unitary Control was rather impressive. He overlooked McN.eill runs the show at County Hall, she decides who to prot.ect and who to throw to the wol.ves. Dic.kens, Cllr Kemp has very good allies, the decent ones from across all parties, while Murphy wasn’t up to your requirements, he didn’t sound as if he was convinced himself, badly underestimated people and his best friends the ru.nts of the litters.

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • What a hoot you must have larking around like this old pal, I suppose someone somewhere must take things you say seriously, probably your little co-posters that managed to tear themselves away from the Jeremy Kyle Show this morning.

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    Honest John

    Friday, February 28, 2014

  • I have respect for Alex but there is another way of looking at this. Even in county council elections many voters are motivated to vote for the party they support rather than the person. Those voters will no longer be properly represented.

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    blue tractor

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Alex Kemp will continue to hold Lynn South regardless of who she's up against - thank goodness she's finally managed to throw off the Reds under her bed. Our pet donkey knows this hence his concerted efforts through various usernames to say otherwise. Tough luck old fruit, what what?

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    Thursday, March 6, 2014

  • She should have gone long ago. No one wants her or even talks to her at County Hall. She should never have turned against her own party who gave her a chance and against her boss George who supported her when she needed to get on. Bird is lumbered now. Wait till she turns on him next.

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    Canary Brain

    Friday, February 28, 2014

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