Derrick Murphy, leader of Norfolk County Council.

Norfolk County Council leader: I’ll keep championing King’s Lynn incinerator

by DAN GRIMMER Tuesday, November 15, 2011
6:30 AM

The leader of Norfolk County Council has pledged to keep fighting to secure the £169m government grant for the King’s Lynn incinerator.

The council’s hopes of building the plant at Saddlebow were dealt a blow last week when environment secretary Caroline Spelman wrote to County Hall leader Derrick Murphy informing him she was withholding the Private Finance Credits for the scheme.

She said she was concerned at the strength of local opposition to the scheme, with more than 65,000 having voted against the scheme in a poll organised by West Norfolk Council, and asked for the council to provide “additional evidence” to show the council’s waste strategy has “a broad consensus”.

The county council has already stated it plans to meet Ms Spelman’s officials at the Department for Food and Regional Affairs to discuss the issue, but at a meeting of Norfolk County Council’s cabinet yesterday, Mr Murphy reiterated that the council was completely behind the scheme.

He said: “I will state from the outset the first priority for this authority has always been to deal with the county’s residual waste in a safe and sustainable manner that delivers best value for money and avoids taxpayers having to spend hard cash meeting huge landfill charges.”

Mr Murphy, who represents the Freebridge Lynn division, said he was “probably more aware” of the local opposition and concern than anyone else.

But he said he would “continue to champion” the proposal because the business case was “very sound indeed” and would help Norfolk taxpayers avoid landfill costs and deal sustainably with household waste.

He added: “If local popularity or the ‘volume’ of opposition is now to be a new test all such essential infrastructure projects have to pass, I fear for the delivery of infrastructure policy priorities absolutely essential to the re-booting of this country’s economy - for jobs, skills, construction or housing for example.

“The consternation the Secretary of State’s letter has generated across local government and industry is evidence that others share our concern and I welcome the support we have received from a variety of sources.”

He said the council had previously been advised by DEFRA the information the council had supplied to show there was a consensus for the waste strategy was sufficient.

He said: “The Secretary of State seeks further assurance. We will further assure her. And I can assure you we will fight for the government grant Norfolk is entitled to. We are never afraid to speak up for the interests of our council taxpayers as a whole.”

But Tim East, Liberal Democrat spokesman for environment, roads, transport and waste, said it was time for the council to ditch what he called a “madcap scheme” and look at alternatives to incineration.

He said: “They should stop pursuing something which is counter-productive for the ratepayers of Norfolk. They should stop it and go back to look at alternative options, rather than digging themselves even further into a hole.

“They can still go back before the landfill directives come in and procure alternatives, which might not be a single plant, but maybe a multiplicity of different waste methods across the county.

“This whole issue has been a chapter of calamities by the ruling Conservative administration.”

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The thing with democracy is that it allows the public to unelect officials if those officials fail to realise their policies or, as I think is your point, fail to abide by the laws of the land. The key issue though, is the word unelect, which I would italicise if I could. It depends upon them being elected in the first place. When rules are broken - like with the 25% of the country's MPs who billed the taxpayer for second homes and champagne at swanky restaurants - the public can unelect individuals when such wrongdoing occurs. As I said before, the time for this is in 2013 when the next elections happen - that is how our system works and the public, as is their wont, will cast their ballot as they see fit based on their perception of the wrongdoing by elected officials. What you seem to want is a wholehearted change of the entire system; which whilst being a worthy goal and one I would support in principle, is a different argument to the one we're currently having.

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Peter J

Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Peter J, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that for some of us it is a total waste of time posting entries on this website because they never appear, despite the absence of offending language. I posted a reasoned response to your penultimate entry to no effect. In essence, I said that the ballot box works when those who are elected obey the rules. In the case of Murphy and Co they have ceased to obey the rules which, to my simple mind, means that in 2009 the ballot box did not work. Now say sorry to Mary Jane.

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John Martin

Monday, November 21, 2011
I'd go even further than that Joy and happily suggest that 65,516 is the BASELINE figure for objectors in Norfolk as a whole.... there are more - much much more - people across the county who think this is a bad idea. NCC are trying to say that the KLWNBC poll shows that 65 thousand people are just being awkward and the rest of the county actually want an incinerator based on their miniscule phone questionaire and I suspect that Caroline Spelman knows this is far too dodgy a claim to go unchallenged.... NCC are liars, pure and simple - Peter J is right that we voted them all in, but we didnt ask them to mislead us once they got through the door. (And before he pipes up about using due process in order to get shot of them, I would comment that it's difficult to do that when the people leading the scrutiny procedure have their feet under the same table - folk have already tried!)

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Fenscape

Monday, November 21, 2011
Joy, I must say that I am not in favour of polls at all. Most polls only go to prove what the people asking the questions wanted to prove in the first place. I would say the same thing about "consultation", which seems to me to be a means of publicly rubber stamping a subject by asking a question that may not be answered at all. Polls do not create the argument; they merely support an argument that someone is already making. In the case of both polls you mention, 1) the ComRes poll is invalid because it only represents the views of under 2,000 people, and 2) the poll in KLWN should also be treated with suspicion given that the question - do you support the building of a mass-burn incinerator - is highly leading. I mean who would? Given my issue with all forms of polling, I again cede back to my earlier argument: that democracy is the only poll that can be properly trusted in this country and that it often does not lie, not in the UK anyway. If the public want to use polling to make all their decisions then so be it, but somehow I suspect that the vast majority of people just want elected officials to get on with it and are quite happy with the ability to unelect them every four years.

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Peter J

Monday, November 21, 2011
Peter J, your take on the ComRes telephone poll would be interesting as NCC are claiming it proves county wide support. What does your legal mind think to Cllr Borretts claims concerning the relevance of the result from 1751 respondents across Norfolk compared to 70,763 of which 65,516 objected in West Norfolk?

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Joy, King's Lynn

Sunday, November 20, 2011
I agree with your view of democracy in the context of local government. But the policies on which councillors are elected must be implemented lawfully, and that means in accordance with the NCC constitution in Derrick Murphy's case. All of the indications are that he and his cabinet colleagues have not acted constitutionally. This is at the heart of (1) the present claim in the High Court for judicial review (2) several of the formal conduct complaints made (3) the Lib Dem motion urging an independent inquiry and (4) my own petition seeking a similar end. Therefore it rings hollow to suggest in these circumstances that what Mary Jane is urging has no basis in law. It may not, but then in my view neither do some of the actions taken in the name of NCC. What remedy do you suggest should be available to the public, between elections, when rules are broken by councillors in this way?

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John Martin

Saturday, November 19, 2011
Maryjane. David Cameron in his manifesto prior to the election. If you are not satisfied with your Councillor or MP that are elected on your behalf, they can be voted out of office. If that was the case, I am not certain if Cllr Murphy would still be allowed to be hold office as leader of NCC. Worth perusing. As far as polls are concerned, NCC only recognise dodgy phone polls like ComRes and the new one being held by bodgit and Run. If Caroline Spelman has rumbled NCC so would David Cameron.

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Choice

Saturday, November 19, 2011
Maryjane - having a poll on the EDP website will have about as much relevance as having a poll in King's Lynn about the incinerator, given that both of them have zero basis in legality. We have this thing called democracy in this country which gives you the option,if you so choose, of voting for someone else. You can exercise this option when the law dictates that you are able, which is in 2013. Until that time, the properly (and by properly I mean legally) elected representatives have a mandate to pursue certain policies on which they were elected. By my reckoning, the Tory group at County Hall has a massive 62 out of 84 Councillors - this is what our legal democratic system decided - and no amount of online polling is going to change that.

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Peter J

Saturday, November 19, 2011
Just to reassure readers that the EDP is entirely neutral please can we have a poll to ask the good people of Norfolk if they think Murphy is a fit person to lead the NCC? - this is the third time of asking.

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maryjane

Friday, November 18, 2011
I had to laugh this morning when I heard that Cllr Murphy is so miffed at BCKLWN that he is witholding funding for new homes on the NORA site until he gets his PFI credits!! Its like dealing with a two year old who has had his sweeties taken away, Bless!

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Canary Boy

Friday, November 18, 2011
Why is it that the EDP continues to ignore serious and constructive letters for publication from opponents of the waste incinerator, and yet today publishes what can only be described as a puff-ball letter from Janet Murphy (and two of her Tory colleagues) congratulating her husband for a recent announcement of his in County Hall? Do they think that we are all simpletons?

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Nemesis

Thursday, November 17, 2011
At least two entries that I have recently attempted to post have just vanished without explanation. One commented on the unprecedented contempt for the current adminstration in County Hall and the other explained why the Murphy household will receive around £55k from council taxpayers this financial year while still finding time to have outside jobs. Perhaps all our entries are now being vetted from County Hall.

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John Martin

Thursday, November 17, 2011
The cuts in services across Norfolk are hitting the most vulnerable in our communities while a cabinet of 9 people decide to spend £669 million on an incinerator to make money for Cory Wheelabrator!. The conservative members at NCC have no interest in what is right for the people, their only interest is making sure that they stay in favour with the leader so they don't lose thousands of pounds of income. That is why none of the them will stand up and do what is right, the leader will remove them from their precious money making committees, as he did with Cllrs Dobson & Long while he promoted Mickleburgh. Time to look at how councillors are funded I think. Instead of fixed allowances perhaps they should receive performance linked payments. Instead of an annual fee regardless of attendance if they dont attend they dont get the fee! Some do work very hard for their communities and those people would and should still receive a good amount but those who sit on their title attend hardly any meetings and do nothing for their communities would get nothing. We would soon find out which Councillors work for their communities and which are on the gravy train.

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Joy, King's Lynn

Thursday, November 17, 2011
I see that NCC are sending out staff to collect signatures to garner sympathy over the drop in financial support for subsidised travel. If they can't find an extra £800k for that then no way will they be able to find £169m when Caroline Spelman rightly tells them to get lost....

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Fenscape

Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Derrick Murphy, leader of Norfolk County Council, quoted on the front page of the Lynn News, January 14, 2011.“Cameron and Spelman would not give us £169 million if this incinerator plan was dodgy.”

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THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Exactly, canary boy, they do not want to look at alternatives, never had the intentions since their overseas visit, it must have been pretty impressive. There are many alternatives and we just about listed them all here, gasification is simple and smaller units can fit on the back of a lorry, be brought to where the rubbish already is. MTB compost can be used on municipal flowerbeds and agricultural land, despite Mr. Harwoods siren noises about residues, as yet we have not heard of any problems with such methods. I welcome the unrest within NCC, their warning bells should have rung yonks ago, when this project was discussed, not only is this inferior option expensive, it also does nothing for recycling. Where are the Governments initiatives that introduce guaranteed uptake of recycled materials by industry, why are there no enterprise zones set up next to where the rubbish accrues, how about zero waste sites, reimbursing us for the valuable resources? Thing is, if you don't create a market for these materials, you wil not get companies taking up cheaper resources. Plastics should be phased out as much as possible and the packaging industry made accoutnable for the waste they create. Overpackaging is a scurge, resulting in much littering, and not a single politicians has any ideas, apart from wishfull thinking. Considering alternatives, pragmatically, is the only way forward, sadly Cllr. Borrett and Murphy are standing in the way, for their own personal unexplained reasons?

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ingo wagenknecht

Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Thanks maryjane, next time I attend county hall I shall try and see the same people and find out more about the skeleton in the cupboard. I think the backbenchers are getting a bit feed up with how their leader has set them on the road to destruction. They are told there is no plan B its the incinerator or landfill. What nonsence! I know that a fully costed autoclave system was presented on 7th March, Nick Daubney and his team are working on another and a third team are working on a County wide solution that is about to be presented. There are alternatives the problem is that Murphy, Borrett & Co do not want to look at them.

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Canary Boy

Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Thanks maryjane, next time I attend county hall I shall try and see the same people and find out more about the skeleton in the cupboard. I think the backbenchers are getting a bit feed up with how their leader has set them on the road to destruction. They are told there is no plan B its the incinerator or landfill. What nonsence! I know that a fully costed autoclave system was presented on 7th March, Nick Daubney and his team are working on another and a third team are working on a County wide solution that is about to be presented. There are alternatives the problem is that Murphy, Borrett & Co do not want to look at them.

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Canary Boy

Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Mick Castle states energy-from-waste plants are the future. There are many kinds of energy from waste plant. This version is 'moving grate-mass-burn incinerator', recently described by the MD of one of waste company as "good in its day but outdated now." Bristol has now shelved its mass burn project (Sunday Times 131111) for a pyrolysis and gasification plant of which the Times says, "the scheme will cost the council less than half that of an incinerator." Even if people support EfW incineration as an option, this is a poor option. MBT with AD, autoclave and a large array of other recycling technologies are preferable. At a recent waste conference it was made clear that even much of the waste industry doesn't support mass burn; materials can now be recycled back into the chemicals they were derived from and fed to the chemical industry, made into building materials, insulation etc. The output from MBT plants can be used to a higher degree than in the past. Mass burn is the future - but only in Counties that ignore the waste hierarchy, superior forms of EfW, the impact of their financial tie-in and public opinion.

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RJB

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
He talks about money before resident’s health and fears. Just pure evil.

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CleanAirPlease

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
We are very fortunate that we do not have a man that comes over as honest. Derrick Murphy is the best canvassing aid the anti incinerator group have got. If the burner gets built the Tory party in West Norfolk will be damaged for many generations. One thing’s for sure Derrick Murphy and the other three county council conspirators from West Norfolk will never get into power after the next county elections.

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Choice

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Canary Boy Yes he was when he first arrived on the scene some years back - he also became a Borough Councillor and by all accounts a total nightmare - chucking his toys out of the pram when anyone crossed him and he failed to win enough support to take over as leader. He was known as the man with his resignation in his back pocket resigning everytime he couldn't get his own way. Pity he doesn't use it now except that the money on the County Council is too good!! His ambition is and always has been from that time to destroy King's Lynn Council, destroy the Leader and the MP. He is about to go on another tack helped by his covert supporters on the Borough Council and a bunch of naive people of NWN Conservative Association members.

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maryjane

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I think mr murphy should go back to his technical college in london and leave norfolk alone.

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Steve33

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I heard a little rumour the other day when attending a meeting, I found it highly amusing but as I do not know the truth of it I could not possibly repeat the conversation. A question that someone out there may know the answer to though is was Cllr Murphy once a Tory election agent?

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Canary Boy

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Kadmos you bring up a very important point. The EDP's willingness to support this terrible folly on the part of the cabinet of the County Council and support them against the will of the people. Still when Murphy goes down he will take them with him.

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alecto

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Mike Castle is repeating the tired old lie that if you are against the incinerator then you must be for landfill. What a load of old cobblers. Why don't you actually try and read the campaigners websites where eminent scientists set out alternative methods of dealing with rubbish. Incineration is outdated and has already been replaced with better technologies in many places. And Murphy and his brigade of twits want to sign us up to twenty five years of this outdated technology. Unbelievable. And I want to know how much this folly of fools is going to cost the poor old taxpayers.

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alecto

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Makes you wonder if a few people arnt getting a spin off from this!! Why else would you go against public oppinion!!!

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dave123

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
look at me, the meperor is wearing no cloth. Cllr. Murphy does not care about having a mandate for what he does, he just wants to carry on spending money like water. My hunch is that hye is scared and worried what will come out when this edifice falls to pieces. Once the incinerator is off the agenda, NCC will have to 0pen up every conversation they had with that unfit company, confidentiallity does not apply anymore and that what he is worried about, that we find out why they choose that inferior big before others.

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ingo wagenknecht

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
"Energy from Waste" plants are the future - better for the environment than filling up holes in the ground. It's a greener option - and one used by a lot of European countries with a better recycling record than us here in Britain.

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Mick Castle

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
"Energy from Waste" plants are the future - better for the environment than filling up holes in the ground. It's a greener option - and one used by a lot of European countries with a better recycling record than us here in Britain.

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Mick Castle

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Mr Murphy’s defiance in the face of such overwhelming opposition, commands a certain amount of admiration as does the EDP’s willingness to print it. The problem is that NCC has backed itself into a corner. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me that from the point of inception of “Contract B” NCC’s intent has always been one of siting an incinerator in King’s Lynn. No viable alternatives have ever been properly considered. NCC has pressed on through thick and thin. Such resolve, but what has been the price? Democracy? Common sense? NCC’s reputation? The EDP’s reputation? Many millions of pounds wasted? Any independent observer who might take the trouble to examine the breadth and depth of planning representations, made available online, the vast majority of which are objections, can only come to one reasonable conclusion. Can 65,516 residents in West Norfolk really be wrong? Even when other authorities in the UK can manage their waste without resorting to incineration? NCC has singularly failed to give any justifiable reason for this project to proceed or, for that matter, to allay the concerns of residents in West Norfolk. Mr Murphy please show us the incontrovertible evidence to back-up your often repeated assertions? An eminent economist has described NCC’s expressed intent to carry on without the PFI (sorry, Waste Infrastructure) credits as “utter madness.” If that is not enough, even the government has just announced that it will reassess the private finance initiative because it does not offer value for money. NCC, please listen to Henry Bellingham MP, BCKLWN and the many other voices across Norfolk and start to work with the community towards an acceptable solution. Is this too much to ask?

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Kadmos

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Mr Murphy’s defiance in the face of such overwhelming opposition, commands a certain amount of admiration as does the EDP’s willingness to print it. The problem is that NCC has backed itself into a corner. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me that from the point of inception of “Contract B” NCC’s intent has always been one of siting an incinerator in King’s Lynn. No viable alternatives have ever been properly considered. NCC has pressed on through thick and thin. Such resolve, but what has been the price? Democracy? Common sense? NCC’s reputation? The EDP’s reputation? Many millions of pounds wasted? Any independent observer who might take the trouble to examine the breadth and depth of planning representations, made available online, the vast majority of which are objections, can only come to one reasonable conclusion. Can 65,516 residents in West Norfolk really be wrong? Even when other authorities in the UK can manage their waste without resorting to incineration? NCC has singularly failed to give any justifiable reason for this project to proceed or, for that matter, to allay the concerns of residents in West Norfolk. Mr Murphy please show us the incontrovertible evidence to back-up your often repeated assertions? An eminent economist has described NCC’s expressed intent to carry on without the PFI (sorry, Waste Infrastructure) credits as “utter madness.” If that is not enough, even the government has just announced that it will reassess the private finance initiative because it does not offer value for money. NCC, please listen to Henry Bellingham MP, BCKLWN and the many other voices across Norfolk and start to work with the community towards an acceptable solution. Is this too much to ask?

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Kadmos

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
If recycling rates rise and this thing ends up being starved of household waste as predicted then where will they turn to for rubbish? You guessed it - the commercial sector. Which means that the taxpayer will have ultimately paid to build something that the private sector will take advantage of. Public Inquiry in 2016 anyone?

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Fenscape

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
The fact that Derrick Murphy and cronies are 'championing' this project proves that either their knowledge of economics and business models is non-existant, or they are corrupt. If it is the former, I BEG Derrick Murphy to read the incinerator business plan and listen to what experts in the field are telling him. If it is the later, then God help us all.

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sallzy

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Murphy is now digging an even bigger hole as he tries to justify his existence as County Leader - please can we have a poll in the EDP as to whether or not he should resign? I have been told that he cannot be removed from office as a councillor until the next election in May 2013 because he is the democratically elected councillor representing his division ( elected by the people of Freebridge). There is no reason however that he should remain as Council Leader because he was elected by a body of people on the council who have a vested interest in keeping him there. Let's see if the good people of Norfolk agree with them.

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maryjane

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Murphy is now digging an even bigger hole as he tries to justify his existence as County Leader - please can we have a poll in the EDP as to whether or not he should resign? I have been told that he cannot be removed from office as a councillor until the next election in May 2013 because he is the democratically elected councillor representing his division ( elected by the people of Freebridge). There is no reason however that he should remain as Council Leader because he was elected by a body of people on the council who have a vested interest in keeping him there. Let's see if the good people of Norfolk agree with them.

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maryjane

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Murphy isn't so much "championing" this project on behalf of the people of Norfolk (who don't want it and have said they want a better and cheaper solution which is widely available) as he is championing his own ego and ambitions. This isn't a man who should, or will, deserve a long and happy retirement in Norfolk

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Carborundum

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Derrick Murphy - I am a resident of Norfolk and you most certainly DO NOT represent my views, nor the other 65 thousand people who think you are also wrong; so why disregard our views time after time? It appears that Caroline Spelman agrees with US, not you so why keep digging this ridiculous hole? What's the matter? No Plan B to fall back on? Is this now a case of Burn or Bust?

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Fenscape

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
The answer Double Bill to how many Lib Dem Councillors have jumped ship is one. The other one was merely an ex Labour Councillor who briefly stopped off in the Lib Dem camp while on his way through to the Tories. Doubt whether he will stop there either on his lurch to the right. Let's hope the voters in his division stop this dreadful behaviour. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that there would be no defections if this lot had to immediately subject themselves to a by election after resigning their party's whip. Bring it on.

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alecto

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Like his cronies in the GYBC they do what they do for their own "glorification look what Cllrs Coleman, Plant, Reynolds Ames and Collins did to Yarmouth in gifting all to a private company they all come out of the same mould

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John L Cooper

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Thinking about the contents of our "residual waste" bin, I am sure much more could be reused or recycled if suitable facilities were available within reasonable distance, like glass, textiles, polythene, shredded paper, hard plastic, toiletry containers, and so on. The problem is nobody wants to deal with this stuff. I find it hard to believe that incineration is the right process for these categories, and the more that easily-combustible or neutralising material is taken out of the waste stream through reuse or recycling, the more difficult it becomes to incinerate the remainder efficiently and the toxicity of the residues is intensified. I'm not sure that I fully understand how bio-digestion [see Richard Waugh below] would decompose much of this waste either. And I still can't tell whether the West Norfolk opponents are objecting on grounds of process or location [or both] or whether they would accept any alternative process at the Saddlebow site.

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JCW

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Murphy isn't so much "championing" this project on behalf of the people of Norfolk (who don't want it and have said they want a better and cheaper solution which is widely available) as he is championing his own ego and ambitions. This isn't a man who should, or will, deserve a long and happy retirement in Norfolk

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Carborundum

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I fear the same arrogance with other projects looming! no accountability apart from to the electorate but does that bother these people.

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Marigold

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Joy - I am sure you know that history is littered with totally deluded people - Murphy writes about them in his books for schools! There is no democracy on the NCC however there are some people ( but not enough) who are trying to do something about it as I said before let's have a fit for purpose poll in the EDP~

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maryjane

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Mr Murphy, I am beginning to think that you are totally deluded. The only reason you will "continue to champion" the proposal is someone was stupid enough to agree a breakage clause to the tune of £20.3 million! You must realise that with no contract actually signed the taxpayers of Norfolk will not easily be fobbed off with excuses such as "it is standard practise" to have these agreements, as per Bill Borrett's mouth on the radio. If cabinet members decided to risk £20.3 million, I hope those same cabinet members have very deep pockets as they should pay the breakage fee themselves. Lastly you currently, on paper, represent the people of Freebridge how many of your voters do you think want to shake your hand, pat you on the back or say you have my vote next election?

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Joy, King's Lynn

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
If they want to get recycling rates up and landfill down the quickest way is going to be some form of bio-digestion plant and to give us some way of recycling food waste that on it's own would have a HUGE impact on landfill

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Richard_Waugh

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I like someone who sticks to his principles. Perhaps you could volunteer to be the first to try it as well Derrick.

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Thoreauwasright

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Will the EDP now poll the good people of Norfolk as to whether or not they think that Murphy is fit to lead the NCC?

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maryjane

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Take THAT democracy (puts the boot into it whilst it's laying on the floor)

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Richard_Waugh

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
"Norfolk County Council leader: I’ll keep championing King’s Lynn incinerator"___And what's in it for him then ??

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"V"

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I thought most people did not want this incinerator?there should be a vote on it.

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bookworm

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I take it broad consensus means wide agreement ? Just how on Gods earth are they going to be able to demonstrate that when clearly it doesn't and isn't going to exist.

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John L Norton

Tuesday, November 15, 2011
i am not sure tim east can lecture the tories on a "chapter of calamities" -- how many councillors have recently jumped ship from his party ?

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Double Bill

Tuesday, November 15, 2011