No ‘golden bullet’ to deal with Norwich’s drink-fuelled trouble

Prince of Wales Road in Norwich. A city councillor has said there is no 'golden bullet' to solve problems with drink-fuelled violence in the street. Prince of Wales Road in Norwich. A city councillor has said there is no 'golden bullet' to solve problems with drink-fuelled violence in the street.

Dan Grimmer dan.grimmer@archant.co.uk
Wednesday, January 29, 2014
6:00 AM

There is no ‘golden bullet’ to deal with the alcohol-fuelled anti-social behaviour in Norwich’s Prince of Wales Road area, city councillors have been told.

To send a link to this page to a friend, you must be logged in.

The area is home to many of the city centre’s nightclubs and bars and the problems with violence have been thrust into the spotlight again, after PC Lee Wilson, 42, suffered a broken leg while policing the street.

And Norwich City Council discussed the issues at a meeting last night, after the Green group put forward a motion calling for limits on the sale of high alcohol lagers, beers and ciders in the area.

Lesley Grahame, Green councillor for Thorpe Hamlet, who proposed the motion, said: “I represent residents on the receiving end of other people’s anti-social drinking. This is a call for Norwich to get a grip on its alcohol problem.”

The Greens said a scheme called Reducing The Strength in Ipswich, where shops signed up to limit drink sales with a high alcohol volume, had helped reduce anti-social behaviour.

But Labour councillor Mike Stonard said the Greens were calling for something which was already being done, with the city council already supporting that scheme, which was originally started by the East of England Co-op.

He added Ipswich did not have a night-time economy on the same scale as Norwich and that it had been introduced in the Suffolk town to tackle street drinkers.

He said the police were still working on an Early Morning Restriction Order, to formalise an initiative which has seen bars and clubs voluntarily closing before 4am.

Mr Stonard said: “While the administration is fully committed to exploring limits to the sale of super strength alcohol, it is not the golden bullet, despite what the motion implies.”

Labour successfully amended part of the motion, which was then agreed, to ask cabinet to continue to work within the Norfolk Community Safety Partnership, the stakeholders’ forum, Healthy City participants and other interested parties to negotiate further improvements.

A motion was also agreed to ask the cabinet to request the authority’s sustainable development panel to explore the implications of building new housing to the highest possible environmental standards.

• Do you think more needs to be done to tackle problems in the city’s clubland? Write, giving full contact details, to Letters Editor, Prospect House, Rouen Road, Norwich NR1 1RE.

12 comments

  • Look at the people who profit from it. Look at their friends in `high` places. Look where they gather together. Shake on it?

    Report this comment

    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Banning strong alchohol? MEANINGLESS. People just drink more, or "preload". Closing at 4am? MEANINGLESS. What's the difference to the residents, the public, etc, between a fight at 4am, and a fight at 5am? The only thing that will work is meaningful PUNISHMENT for anti social drunkards. If people were to be hit with a month in prison, or £2000 fine, suddenly that "fight" over who said what to whom - or any other such triviality - won't seem so worthwhile. Not only that, no A and E treatment - if you want to screw up your insides, you should suffer the full consequences, not run to A and E like a baby looking for its mother. The problem is we take away the consequences of bad choices, so the learning curve is minimised. We need to change our fundamental attitides to drink. When - and why - did it become "cool" to drink, get "caned", "trollied" etc? It's not. Drink is poison - it does nothing good for the body. There is nothing useful in getting "wasted" - it's self destructive, herd like behaviour. I'm not opposed to drinking ( I drink myself) but if looked at wisely, it is clearly a retarded, senseless thing to do to the body, it is "voluntary madness" (Seneca)

    Report this comment

    dan

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Not more of the 'banning' culture? It's not the alcohol at fault - it's the abuse of it, it's the people who have no sense of personal responsibility .. the 'don't care, don't infringe my 'rights'' people ..

    Report this comment

    Patrick

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Come on Norwich Council, put your foot down, you have the power to do something, what are you afraid of?

    Report this comment

    Derek McDonald

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Derek what is the Norwich Council afraid of? Well simple, loss of back handers when it doesn't grant an Alcohol License

    Report this comment

    che bramley

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Get real, if you ban 6% lager then two 3% will do the same damage. What you do is this real simple: anyone convicted of a drink related (serious offence) not being drunk, which is an offence in it's own right, should have a lifetime ban from all licensed premised in Norwich. Photographs distributed to all licensed outlets. Let people know well in advance before this ruling is applied that this will be what happens if you are a problem when drinking. Surely it wouldn't take long before people would realise the price they would have to pay for misbehaving.

    Report this comment

    ray green

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • I think they could compare the arrest or rather conviction and accident and injury statistics with other university cities of roughly the same size, and look at the statistics for other cities or towns where there is such a grouping of clubs in order to see if the problem is any worse than anywhere else. They could also survey to see how many of those arrested have come into Norwich from a distance-, if it has become a draw for celebrations where participants cane it more than regular clubbers . Or where they are not expecting to take a taxi home and are unable to get home until the first train so really are making a night of it. Seasonal variations in arrests might be interesting-obviously Xmas-but are the first few weeks after freshers week worst. What is the demography of the people causing the problems-are they young and stupid or older men who are hard core drinkers and would cause problems whatever pub they used. Norwich should have the facts at their finger tips-they license the premises and they should commission research to determine if the police are doing the job appropriately or protesting too much or if the area has a problem specific to Norwich and needs special measures

    Report this comment

    Daisy Roots

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Lodge a complaint. But who`s going to listen? Police? Politicians? `Respected` businessmen? Not while they profit from it.

    Report this comment

    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • The problem lays with the Labour Party bringing 24 hour drinking laws,and our Labour Council providing a "Clubland" at Riverside and its environs.So now we have inherited a Night Time Economy,and are suffering the consequences !

    Report this comment

    Albert Cooper

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • Increase the penalties for bad behaviour. Too many of the offenders are actually people in well paying jobs and "of previously good character" They get a slap on the wrist and a paltry fine of less than what they would spend on a night out. People should be more scared of getting too drunk and ending up in front of the magistrate. Perhaps all alcohol related offences should have some community service penalty, even if it is only for a few hours.

    Report this comment

    Cyril the Canary

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • As many here have already pointed out , this is not an alcohol problem , it's a people problem , in common with most other problems. Use existing legislation to really hurt offenders , financially & by removing their liberty. You don't alter peoples behaviour by fiddling with laws which affect everybody , hit the people who cause all the problems hard & keep hitting them until the message sinks in. If they still can't alter their behaviour lock them up for a very long time.

    Report this comment

    Tudor Bushe

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

  • You are right Albert. I remember when Labour were trying to sell this policy. They were giving us images of sleepy French riverside towns with tables out on the street and people could drink as long as they wanted. I think they called it a cafe culture. It was never going to work here with our degenerate population.

    Report this comment

    Steely Dan

    Wednesday, January 29, 2014

The views expressed in the above comments do not necessarily reflect the views of this site

ADVERTISEMENT

ADVERTISEMENT

Norfolk Weather

Overcast

Overcast

max temp: 14°C

min temp: 11°C

Five-day forecast

loading...

ADVERTISEMENT

ADVERTISEMENT