As the ramifications of last night’s shenanigans over the Lords reform programme motion sink in, people seem to have forgotten there was actually a vote on the main piece of legislation as well.

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The government won as it had the support of most Labour MPs. But it’s still interesting to take a look at what Tories did in that main vote on the legislation.

If one excludes the payroll vote, only 80 Tories voted for Lords reform, but 91 voted against it and 20 abstained. Meanwhile around a third of the 2010 intake were rebels.

It all shows that if Cameron does get over the programme motion issue and plans on getting this Bill through in the future, he is going to be faced with a Herculean task.

Even if it does pass through the Commons, such has been the rebellion that the Lords are likely to be emboldened and do their best to pull it deeper into the mud.


  • The Labour party is committed to reform of the Lords and for any change to be subject to a referendum as it is a constitutional matter.What has become apparent is that Cameron and Clegg are not listening on this and many other matters.There are many amendments and additions needed to be discussed,for example the 15 year term is too long,hence the need for open-ended debate,more for Conservatives than any other party.Ed Miliband and Labour did the Tory party a big favour by opposing the Programme Motion.As Angela Eagle said "it was a victory for Parliament"

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    Peter Watson

    Thursday, July 12, 2012

  • Not true, how many more times do they have to agree with each other before it happens? Fact is all main parties have benefited from, and used the House of Commons for their own political machinations and personal gains. The reform process, on the agenda since 1911, has turned into a ping pong ball, always ending in stasis. All three main parties can't be trusted to reform the House of Lords, so, lets replace it with a randomly selected House and have done with.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Sunday, July 15, 2012

  • Why is it no one can get a straight answer from the Labour party to a straight question. Labour supported the Bill by voting with the government. They then put a spanner in the works by saying that the 10 day timetable was too short and more time is needed; but refuse to say what time is needed. Is this no more than a cynical ploy by Ed Miliband to cause as much mischief as he can for the Coalition? Surely sooner or later he will have to put up or shut up, which makes the tory rebellion rather irrelevant.

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    Wednesday, July 11, 2012

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