Mitchell should have been sacked...

Friday, October 5, 2012
1:06 PM

The Andrew Mitchell story has gone off the boil a little and with the chief whip not turning up to conference he’ll hope it stays that way.

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But his indiscretions have certainly not been forgotten by the party – by the troops he’s meant to control.

Indeed, one backbench Tory I spoke to outlined how Mitchell’s Downing Street rant at the police will undermine him as he seeks to discipline the indiscretions of others.

They said: “He can be personally charming, but was always seen as a bit of a [expletive]. He’s got this temper and he’s hugely condescending to his inferiors and fawning to his superiors. Much has been made of the fact that he was campaign manager for David Davis and as soon as that went down the pan he greased up to George Osborne as soon as possible.”

They went on: “Cameron and Osborne decided that the old whips office was not delivering and that was true.

“They have now got someone that was a whip 15 years ago and they thought that like Sir Francis Urquhart he would ‘put a bit of stick about’. If anything it is going to create more problems. The parliamentary party has changed a lot, there are young people who have had real jobs who are not used to someone threatening them.”

They said: “He would have been dead in the water had Parliament been sitting, it would have been awful. Can you imagine what PMQs would have been like with him on the front bench? He’s not going to party conference. Not many [Tory] MPs have come out to criticise him, but its telling that few have come out in his support either.”

They went on: “He should have been [sacked]. It would have been difficult for Cameron and Osborne, but yes he should have been.

“The problem that he has got is that as chief whip he has got to have the confidence of the PM and of the majority of the parliamentary party. He’s got to have not only the physical authority but the moral authority and without that it’s difficult to operate.

“The first time he has to call someone in and give them a [dressing down] they will be able to turn around and say ‘well excuse me, but I’m not going to take that from you’.”

12 comments

  • Martin - Our Joseph could make a real name for himself by getting to the bottom of this tawdry saga. Would also cheer the rest of us by putting it to bed once and for all!

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    BG

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • BG it's not too late for the unadulterated truth to come out: if Mitchell can manage to be honest?

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    martin wallis

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • At least Peter with the tories, what you see the is what you get. What I can`t stand are rich people pretending to be socialists when they are nothing of the sort. With regard to the incident that sparked this off I think the press were all too eager to accept the version put forward by Mr Tully as being the unvarnished truth and failed to do any sort of investigation into his claims. Why in these days of camera phones was the incident or at least part of it not snapped by a by stander and how is it, not one single person has come forward to give their version of what allegedly took place. Something obviously took place, but what exactly?

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    BG

    Saturday, October 6, 2012

  • BG. It's muddying the waters to bring the ongoing industrial relations dispute between HMG and the Gummint into GateGate: I'm at a loss to think of any sector of society which this benighted government HASN'T upset just halfway through its period in office!!. But as you rightly say, however, "not one single person has come forward to give their version of what allegedly took place. Something obviously took place, but what exactly?". Mitchell himself is on record as saying [in terms] that he recalls with crystal clarity what was and what was not said by him. So tell us, Mr Mitchell! His evasiveness on this subject merely adds fuel to the flames of speculation that he did in fact use the language attributed to him. And he has 'form' aplenty for being less-than-polite towards people whom he regards as 'underlings'... He should be elevated to the Lords IMHO, then seconded to the FCO and sent as Blighty's Goodwill Ambassador... to Benghazi, Tripoli, Islamabad, Who should replace him as Chief Whip? Simples. Our wherry own doe-eyed Chloe Smith: who could possibly say No to her? Only a cad. And the Tories are cad-free these days, aren't they?

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • correction... dispute between HMG and the Police Federation doh

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Mitchell has stayed because the Police Federation ( Mr Tully in particular) made such a meal out of it. some of the detail in log doesn`t stand up to, too much scrutiny. The Federation treated Teresa May very badly at their conference and the conduct of some officers reflected badly on the police service. Under the circumstances I don`t think DC was in any mood to give them Mr Mitchell`s scalp.

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    BG

    Friday, October 5, 2012

  • Mitchell must have undermined his authority as a chief whip but his continuation in this position will remind us of the "born to rule"attitude of a government that sees its citizens as plebs,as well as abuse to a officer engaged in his safety and protection.It shows just how out-of-touch the Tory party has become.

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    Peter Watson

    Friday, October 5, 2012

  • BG "The Andrew Mitchell story has gone off the boil a little ". So says our intrepid new political editor, a worthy successor to the incomparable Chris Fisher (...). But will it stay off the boil? Andrew Neill (tweeting, if that is the mot juste) doesn't think so... "Cabinet ministers openly talking with eachother about how to persuade him to quit at a Spectator party". Why wasn't Joseph Watts invited?

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    martin wallis

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • BG -'... putting it to bed once and for all...' you do seem to lean to the view that it's all been blown out of proportion? let's not prejudge the outcome, shall we? Joseph will sort it and let us know in due course :-) I don't have any contacts at the Spectator - Neil was invited, no doubt, because the Spectator is owned by the Barclay Bros... Boris used to edit it, maybe Joseph should cosy up to him (ugh) for an invite to the next 'do'! my sense is that Mitchell will be unWhipped by the end of the year

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    martin wallis

    Friday, October 12, 2012

  • martin wallis - It seems this saga drags on and on driven mainly by the media. The more you look at it one is left wondering why the whistleblower did not leak the cctv coverage. Surely that would have proven their case better than some verbals. Why has the Police Federation suddenly gone so quite on the whole affair? One can only be left wondering if the incident was not the debacle it was originally made out to be. Rather a pity our journalists fell down on the job and didn`t dig a bit deeper..

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    BG

    Wednesday, October 10, 2012

  • correction... dispute between HMG and the Police Federation doh

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • end of the year? or tomorrow? http:www.independent.co.uknewsukpoliticstell-us-the-truth-about-pleb-row-or-quit-police-chiefs-warn-mitchell-8208096.html?origin=internalSearch

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    martin wallis

    Friday, October 12, 2012

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