Young people thinking of raising families in King’s Lynn have been urged by a county councillor to think again – because of the incinerator set to be built there.

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The comments were made by John Dobson, Conservative councillor for Dersingham, during a debate over whether the county council should be pushing ahead with proposals for the burner at Saddlebow when it will soon be taking on responsibility for public health.

Alexandra Kemp, Labour county councillor for Clenchwarton and King’s Lynn South Division, had proposed that the council agree the site is unsuitable for the plant, which she said would emit particulates which could be harmful to health.

She pointed out that, from April, the county council will take over from NHS Norfolk and Waveney in promoting public health and the incinerator runs contrary to that.

In backing her proposal, Mr Dobson said: “I have always been very suspicious about the health aspects of the incinerator. I have to say that, if I was starting life as a young couple and was going to have children, having read what I know about the incinerator in King’s Lynn, I would not live in King’s Lynn.”

He also urged people to watch the film Erin Brockovich, which stars Julia Roberts as a campaigner who uncovers evidence that a power firm has contaminated water.

Liberal Democrats and Greens backed the motion, but it was defeated, with Bill Borrett, acting council leader, accusing his opponents of “posturing and electioneering”.

The council has always said that the Health Protection Agency, Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and the Environment Agency say plants such as that Cory Wheelabrator wants to built in Norfolk are safe.

Mr Borrett said: “I would just like to add a dose of reality to this debate, which has disappeared into the realms of fantasy. This has been scrutinised at every stage, including the health issues which arise from it.”

The council also rejected a second incinerator motion, lodged by Mr Dobson, that its cabinet scrutiny committee should look again to establish if the plant is still likely to be needed for the burning of residual domestic waste on the scale it was originally devised to deal with.

Mr Dobson said the council might not be able to provide enough domestic waste to the plant and about three quarters of waste dealt with would be industrial or commercial.

Describing Mr Dobson as “a wily old fox”, Mr Borrett said it was not true that three quarters of the waste would be commercial and that nothing had changed from the original scheme.

32 comments

  • Bill Borrett get off your high horse the fox hunt is over. Why did Eric Pickles call it in, the whole process giving Tory Wheelabrator the contract was a con by the conservative cabinet members. It is a disgrace that you continue to undermine people in West Norfolk. 65.516 said No. Why don't you have a waste incinerator near you. The incinerator issue has shown up the level of imcompetence there is at Norfolk County Council it will only get worse if you stay in power.

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    Jack

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • 65.516 will never accept Tory Wheelabrator incinerator do your own research. If you dare.

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    Jack

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Electra says...."It has been vastly well researched but only by anti incinerator campaigners and they have found nothing to commend it." Well that is hardly impartial is it ?

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    Responsible parent

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • The deal to take heaps of rubbish from London councils was signed back 2004, no chance of ever running out of fuel.

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    nrg

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • King;s Lynn has a unique Heritage, as one of Medieval England's principal Ports and if it is ever to be rescued from its moribund state it is through Tourism. An Incinerator would kill that and the fair air of West Norfolk. Respect Localism. No wanted, period.

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    tully

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Why, acenditcantu, are you not be able to burn your own rubbish in your garden? Because of the law that says you are a polluter and will be fined for it. This somewhat larger waste burner, build by a company with no expertise in modern waste disposal or a cyclical resource economy, who has not built any of these plants since 1995, will be subject to self monitoring, not by H&S inspectors, but their employed agencies with an interest in a long term monitoring contract. The amount of uneducated yokel attitudes shilling on this article is fascinating. Europe is polluting us... what a spark indeed, Kings Lynn will be polluted by this waste burner on 283 days per year, when the wind blows SSWesterly, and it is already under pressure from the existing industrial emissions. EU countries are shaking their head and rubbing their hands at our inability to provide jobs, profits and apprenticeships from recycling resources. Borett accusing us of electioneering when he is the only one with an interest in getting his beard waxed by our taxes, is hilarious.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Councillor John Dobson makes a fair point in suggesting that we should all watch Erin Brockovich before deciding on incineration. In that vein, I think people should also watch 'The Day After Tomorrow', which gives conclusive proof that Norfolk will be under a gigantic sheet of ice within 2 months. Has anyone else got a film in mind that can help inform our councillors on the big issues that we face?

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    Rhombus

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Acenditcantu Kings Lynn already has its quota of polluters as air quality in the town is now critical and this can be verified by NCC. This is down to road traffic Palm paper and the Power Station. The Power Station has just shut down but the new Kings Lynn B station will be up and running soon. Google Wikipedia Kings Lynn Power station and emissions do not look good. The problem has arisen because planners let air polluters build up wind of densely populated area of Kings Lynn. Norfolk County Council is to blame for allowing Cory Wheelabrator with numerous fines for fraud and pollution and this does not inspire confidence.

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    Alan Allan

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • I presume Ingo Wangenkrnecht is not educated enough to have heard of Defra !

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    spark

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • Alan Allan, where is the evidence of additional pollution from the incinerator? What we need is hard facts and not speculation, conjecture and misinformation. If the incinerator does produce pollution that has any significance let us have the figures. What is going to be emitted and how much? How does this compare with the existing air quality and what percentage difference will it make? And for those attacking the councillors, they are trying to get the best deal for Norfolk. Using political rhetoric and hate messages just undermines the cause. Erin Brockovich would have obtained the FACTS before going after anyone. Lets have some FACTS published instead of propaganda. If the TRUTH is that the plant is really dangerous then I will come and march against it.

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    Norfolk Lad

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • So Borrett thinks Cllr Dobson is a "wily old fox". Word to the wise Cllr Dobson. Avoid large amounts of people on horseback wearing silly pink outfits and packs of dogs led by someone looking a lot like a fellow Councillor of yours.

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    Electra

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Electra says...."It has been vastly well researched but only by anti incinerator campaigners and they have found nothing to commend it" Well that is hardly impartial is it ? And that to me seems to be the issue from whichever side you are on. Where are ALL the facts we can look at ? I for one cant find them to make a rational decision.

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    Responsible parent

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Bill Borrett accuses others of electioneering? Are you kidding me. That bloke would walk up and down St Stephen's in a tutu to get his picture in the paper. And so often the paper does oblige. Let's get rid of him at the next election.

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    Electra

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Scaremongering again. There is no comparison with the case against Pacific Gas and Electric Company and this is willfully misleading. It seems that the antis have run out of legitimate objections and have to fabricate these 'LIES'. If there are GENUINE safety objections let us hear them and not the twaddle and untruths being bandied around. I wouldn't want the incinerator if there were any danger from it whatsoever. For goodness sake let us have the truth so that we really know what it will emit and whether there are ANY health risks from it. If there were the slightest health risk then I would be up in arms against it but until we get a reasoned debate on the FACTS I tend to think that it is NIMBYism and not safety tha is the issue.

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    Norfolk Lad

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • The obvious conclusion is that the people have not been listened to.The Lynn campaign is about far more than nimbyism,it reveals a democratic deficit at the heart of Norfolk's Conservative led County Council.which has replicated across the districts of Norfolk,whether that be in the east over at Yarmouth or the centre in Norwich.It has even resonated in the north and the south,in the Tory heartlands.All democrats should unite to remove the Tories from office.There is a better way.

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    Peter Watson

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Reminds me of another anti-incinerator campaigner who claims that pollution from incinerators causes obesity , suicide and.....wait for it.....knife crime in London. Attaching yourselves to these cranks who inhabit the outer frontiers of sanity does your cause no good at all.

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    LARSON.E. WHIPSNADE

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Commercially sensible and well researched? Did you fall off your horse? This has to be one of the most lied about, commercial rubbish of a deal I have ever seen. Fancy the Tory Govt giving them PFIs when that discredited method of financing should have been giving a burial a long time ago. As for well researched - cant disagree with you there. It has been vastly well researched but only by anti incinerator campaigners and they have found nothing to commend it. No use the County Council doing their own research they have spent far too long making stuff up to actually even take on board the empirical research.

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    Electra

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • The county council had not done a very good job to convince us the dioxins that emit from the chimney stack are safe. They picked the worse company in the world to burn waste over a densely populated area. This company has fines for fraud and pollution as long as your arm so nobody in the right mind would want to live near it. Now Derrick Murphy has lost Kevin Vaughn his career in the process of character assignation on Nick Daubney is resounding proof we are dealing with a dodgy county council and any trust has gone out the window.

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    Emma Miller

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Electra I agree this guy does anything to get his fizzogg in the paper. And Jack You are right too, 2 guys recently went to court for alleged fly tipping on the evidence of this "credible" councilor. The credible evidence where he "thought" and "assumed" rather than having hard facts and evidence. And yep as long as it is not in his back garden!

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    countrybumpkin

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • It's time to stop opposing this well-researched and commercially sensible project.

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    blue tractor

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • I must also mention "War of the Worlds", where the monster killing machines from Mars are obviously an allegorical representation an Armageddon in which giant walking incinerators set out to destroy all of mankind. I really hope Norfolk County Council has seen this film.

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    Rhombus

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Spark, and that's exactly why Gt Yarmouth would like it. No more central than KL for Norfolk's waste, but as this is predominantly to handle waste from elsewhere in the UK you can see why KL was chosen. Facts? Nimbyism? Anyone keen to lay into the anti lobby needs to weigh what they say against the ridiculous spin and marketing hype coming from NCC and Cory. Borat's recent court charade drew an excellent quote from the judge, to the effect 'a very credible witness but no actual evidence presented'. Feels like deja vue if you have followed his incinerator emissions. Still the whole deal is very suspicious to me. Why enter into a contract with such a huge penalty clause? Something fishy.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Electra I agree this guy does anything to get his fizzogg in the paper. And Jack You are right too, 2 guys recently went to court for alleged fly tipping on the evidence of this "credible" councilor. The credible evidence where he "thought" and "assumed" rather than having hard facts and evidence. And yep as long as it is not in his back garden!

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    countrybumpkin

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Citizen of EUSSR - I think you'll find that sheet of ice is a thin one that NCC are skating on. acenditcantu - how can anyone have the figures for pollution when no one knows what will be burnt? Everything needs to be made up, whether it's by CW or the EA, no one has a clue what the actual emissions will be and even the EA have already admitted that emission limits for incinerators are based on what is technically achievable, not on what is safe for human heath. Added percentage, ooh you sound like Boldon & co, advice is for incinerators to be sited where pollution is already high, so the percentage contribution is less. Also to go for deprived areas with existing health issues so the percentage contribution is less. Best deal for Norfolk, don't make me laugh, why did they all go for made to measure trousers with extra deep pockets, depth varying with pecking order?

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    Honest John

    Wednesday, January 16, 2013

  • This scare mongering is on a par with the no-science twaddled about by crystal gazing crusty anti GM campaigners, and look at the damage they did to the UK research and development base with their hysterical ill informed anti USA company campaigning. I was under the impression that much of West Norfolk's water comes from aquifers in the chalk and the greensand so the water is pretty well filtered. This would not be the case in other parts of Norfolk where a proportion is abstracted from the broads. The councillors in West Norfolk would do better to worry about whether adequate provision is being made in the form of abstraction reservoirs for their future supply security when yet more houses are built to meet targets and accommodate the new wave of EU migrants.

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    Daisy Roots

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • If people were really worried about particulates, they would ban diesel engines, ban smoking, ban bonfires, ban oil fired boilers, wood burners and coal fires. These emit far higher levels of toxic particulates (and at a lower level) than any high-burn incinerator. As for the claim it will "pump 500 tons of material into the atmosphere ever day" - poppycock - utter nonsense - it might burn that amount of rubbish a day but most of it will be converted to heat, some to steam, and most to ash that will fall to the bottom of the incinerator. If people don't want rubbish dumps and they don't want incinerators and they don't want power plants, then they had better stop consuming stuff and producing waste and using power in their homes.

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    Huw Sayer

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Sadly Norfolk has some of the most polluted air in the UK anyway due to Europe Industry . I guess this will help redress the balance when the wind blows in the opposite direction.

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    spark

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • So why is it OK to build this in Lynn but it wasn't in Costessey? Borrett I can't wait to see you in the dole que come May

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    d, west lynn

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Scaremongering aside that is for the electorate to decide at May elections. NCC Defra or the man in the moon has actually come up with figures that low to medium pollution which is dioxin will harm or kill how many. All Norfolk County Council had to do was stipulate 24 hour independent air quality monitoring system be implemented. Most of Europe the USA has so why is West Norfolk any different. Since monitoring in the USA not one incinerator has been built since 1994 and Europe is following in their footsteps.

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    Emma Miller

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • "Popeye" - Norfolk councillors should have taken your advice and watched The Day After Tomorrow as Norfolk is already under a gigantic sheet of ice! I'm sure the councillors are experts in pollution and incineration, after all, they've given a great display of their expertise in something as tricky as winter road clearing today!

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    Wisbech, CAPITAL of the Fens

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • Bill Borrett get off your high horse the fox hunt is over. Why did Eric Pickles call it in, the whole process giving Tory Wheelabrator the contract was a con by the conservative cabinet members. It is a disgrace that you continue to undermine people in West Norfolk. 65.516 said No. Why don't you have a waste incinerator near you. The incinerator issue has shown up the level of imcompetence there is at Norfolk County Council it will only get worse if you stay in power.

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    Jack

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

  • The whole question unfortunately has been tainted with the NCC and money under Derricks watch. It makes the informed view slightly cloudy when you have the likes of Murphy and Borratt treating people like fools.

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    Marigold

    Tuesday, January 15, 2013

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