A Green city councillor has resigned little more than five months since he was elected – blaming the party’s “profoundly undemocratic” methods.

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David Rogers informed Norwich City Council of his decision yesterday, after expressing his dissatisfaction with how the Norwich branch of the party is run.

Nelson ward member Mr Rogers said the party attracted the “gullible and the authoritarian”, which he said was a “dangerous combination in party politics”.

Mr Rogers said: “I agree with the Green Party aims to create a fair society and to deal with the threat from rapid climate change.

“However, I cannot accept its methods; it is profoundly undemocratic.

“Norwich Green Party has an executive of elected members who should execute decisions made by the party membership. The membership rarely makes a decision and when it does it is usually ignored.

“It is possible that the national Green Party is not aware of this. If it isn’t, it should be. Norwich Green Party is the second largest in the country and has the largest number of councillors.”

Mr Rogers, a Green Party campaigner since 2005, was elected in May. He received 1,644 votes – a 59.5pc share of the 2,763 votes cast at the ballot box.

His announcement means the Greens now have 14 seats, Labour 21 and the Liberal Democrats three.

Mr Rogers said he had no intention to become an independent or switch to another party.

He added: “I can no longer support the Green Party. I have seen the dangers that the Green Party presents and I must oppose the Green Party.”

Claire Stephenson, Green Party group leader at the city council, declined to comment on Mr Roger’s claims about how the Norwich Green Party’s executive operates.

But she said she was “sad” that Mr Rogers had decided to resign as she believed he had plenty to offer.

She said: “Councillors are there to represent their residents and David has been an enthusiastic councillor, has done a good job for residents so far and it’s a shame that he will not continue.”

A by-election, estimated to cost taxpayers £10,000, is expected to be held to replace Mr Rogers. No date has been set.

A city council spokesman said: “If a councillor wants to resign, they must notify, in writing, the proper officer – in this case Philip Hyde, the council’s head of law and governance.

“When a by-election has been called, polling day must be within 35 working days. The anticipated cost of a by-election is around £10,000.”

59 comments

  • Somethingood, tis the truth; have you read or are you aware of Mikhail Gorbachev's Green Cross, nowt to do with crossing the road either. I stand my comments, as I many others know that the 'greens' are just really Marxists with their hidden agendas.

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Or could it be that ex-Councillor Rogers got a roasting for making the Green party look like ageing hippies, with his comments about melting polar caps, polar bears and supermarkets making people fat - just the sort of image they are trying to get away from. But that would mean he had been 'whipped' and the Green party don't believe in that....

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    jean jeanie

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • @PaulH.There's more pandas in Scotland than Tory councillors in Norwich.

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    Peter Watson

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Stg, Pray tell us, how are your green micro businesses going to support a population of 65 million plus...My figures tell me for every 'green' job invented 3.5 real jobs are lost, some recent research by the SNP put the figure for Scotland even higher.

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • The greens are not a danger to Britain NRg. Lets look at the undemocratic Tories funded by a handful of millionaires. The Labour Party, funded by a contradictory mix of big business and unions working together. The greens are the champions of individualism and a free society as they are the ones who want people to live and take control off their own lives in a sustainable way. To suggest that Stalinists became environmentalists is an absurd notion as Stalinism was based on mass production and the destruction of the planet. Withdraw that misleading comment now and have a real debate.

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    Somethingood

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • If the cost of the by-election is estimated at £10,000 why should the Council tax payers of Norwich be expected to foot this bill ? The Green Party should either cover the costs of this from their own Party funds, as it was their Councillor who resigned, or sacrifice the seat and leave it vacant until a time, presumably next May, when the by-election can be tagged on to elections that are alreay taking place in that ward. This should be a rule that all parties adhere to, the only exception being a Councillor who dies or has a medically proven serious illness whilst in post.

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    earth monkey

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Please select a Conservative at the by-election. a responsible party who tells you how it really is.Now go on you lot start being nasty On your marks,Get set......

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    PaulH

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Your defence is full of holes as the very fact that Gorby broke the ussr apart is a huge hole. Moreover, what is wealth redistribution? Is not bailing out the banks wealth distribution? Is not the existence of serco and other massive companies given public money not wealth redistribution?The Green Party, even according to your quote, are for a similar distribution just to allow people to be free from this constraints and take control of their own lives in a sustainable way. Think you are a little obsessive about commies everywhere smacks of conspiracy. We all know where the danger lies and it certainly isn't the greens. Funny how you never respond to all the truths about how other parties are funded or the fact that the greens are pro small business and real free trade. Capitalism only works if everyone plays by the same rules. Though clinging on to the last vestiges of outdated industrial revolution doctrine from either right or left will not combat the problems of the next century.

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    Somethingood

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • ingo, good point,. I commented on it via the weather story, 100k can buy you sunshine.

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • “Norwich Green Party has an executive of elected members who should execute decisions made by the party membership. The membership rarely makes a decision and when it does it is usually ignored". Is there any difference between the "greens" doing this and any other party ?. All the parties are the same.

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    "V"

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Moreover, how is support dwindling if the green vote went up in every ward in the 2012 city council elections. Whereas labour didn't take a single seat from them. They have massive control of their convictions.

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    Somethingood

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Somethinggood...don't waste your time knocking some sense into nrg ( a sock puppet of J Norton ). He also believes that the Chilean miners were never trapped underground but instead spent the 69 days holed up in the Santiago Hilton in what he claims to be a gigantic scam and conspiracy. No more need be said.

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    LARSON.E. WHIPSNADE

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Mr. Rogers can leave the Green Party, but had to do so by attacking their system, a fair point to make. That is amplified into a raging storm is down to the paper. The execution of green policies, without being the leading party is impossible. To make Norwich work, after it has been mislead for over 36 years by a single party, with all the nepotism that involves, means to climb a mountain and change attitudes atb every level. The Green party has been taken over by leftist activists who ran away from Labour after the Iraq war, the only reason why the Green Party has a leader now. All party politics has to realise that their dogma ridden politics is not answering societies needs, the more politicians get torn away from the local mandate and into the hands of vested interest. Those who think that Greens are different, relax, they are as normal as any other person.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Stg, "somehow finite resources are infinite"....Is that your best shot, THAT old chestnut ?? Fast forward 50 odd years from now, and we'll all see if it's true....In the mean time I'm gonna relax and enjoy life, brrrrrr I'll start by chucking another log on the fire, sit back with my feet up and watch MOTD, you greens can keep up the farce and worry yourself silly over something that might or might not happen scenarios.....simples.

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Climate change has been manipulated to become a nice little earner for some. People are dumb if they think buying green products will help save the world but that pleases the likes of Al Gore etc because those daft enough to buy into it just line line the pockets him and the like. The Green Party al; though in a different way are just as dangerous as the Conservatives.

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    Clungemeister

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Every single comment on this site is from backwoods trolls who are just spokesman's for themselves or completely mad. Sorry i'm off

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    PaulH

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • NRg...think you need to read up a bit. He wasn't sole leader as there were four spokespeople at the time. You might think it an odd idea, but for every positive l "leader" there is another unchecked loon, sometimes extremely harmful. I believe it was the greens way of dealing with the problems of sole power. As a champion of individualism you must see that david Icke was a bit of a crackpot individual who believed in some mad notions, but no more mad than the current belief that somehow finite resources are infinite.

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    Somethingood

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Evening ms Larson.

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • It was often pondered at the time... was maggie noshing gorby or ronnie, I go for gorby..2 greens of a kind!!! Mr. Chairman Many of us have been worried for some time now about the accumulating evidence of damage to the global environment and the consequences for life on Earth and for future generations. I spoke about this to the Royal Society in 1988 and to the United Nations General Assembly in November last year. Today, with the publication of the Report of the Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change, we have an authoritative early warning system, an agreed assessment from some three hundred of the world's leading scientists on what is happening to the world's climate—all this under your distinguished chairmanship, Dr. Houghton. I congratulate you on getting three hundred distinguished scientists to agree on a single report—you must be quite a chairman! It is a triumph for you today, both the Report and the opening of the new Centre for which you have obviously been very eager. Your Report confirms that greenhouse gases are increasing substantially as a result of Man's activities; that this will warm the Earth's surface, with serious consequences for us all, and that these consequences are capable of prediction. We want to predict them more accurately and that is why we are opening this Centre today.

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Climate change has been manipulated to become a nice little earner for some. People are dumb if they think buying green products will help save the world but that pleases the likes of Al Gore etc because those daft enough to buy into it just line line the pockets him and the like. The Green Party al; though in a different way are just as dangerous as the Conservatives.

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    Clungemeister

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • The Thatch invented MMGW simples!! Your commie friends of Polski helped break our great mining communities, the cheap coal flowed while our pit lads and families were crushed by the mad green Thatch and her thuggish plod...you green useful idiots need to learn who your paymasters really are. Making communist China the manufacturer for world didn't happen on it's own, without the help of western head honchos and leading banks...very much man made and induced.

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Could it be that the Green Party in Norwich is undemocratic because it does not actually have to soil its hands with party politics? Without looking at the figures for the returns for the last election, is there a chance that the GreenParty in Norwich is in power because of the votes of people who do not even live in Norwich-or will not do for long-but registered to vote. Does the UEA vote have as much effect on the politics of City hall as Sheffield University students had in electing Nick Clegg?

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    Daisy Roots

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Climate change is real. it always has been, probably always will be . But its got nothing to do with us. It changes naturally. Green policies wont change the planet, but will stifle jobs, infrastructure improvements, development, the economy, and our childrens future.

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    Abraham

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Yes NRg Gorbachev the one to broke up the Soviet Union, a little hole in your theory there. Moreover your concept of individualism is not exactly adhered to by the multiple nationals. Think you need to withdraw you statement, the Green Party are for small businesses and responsible free trade. Read their ideas.

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    Somethingood

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Somethinggood, no holes in my defense. However, I can see many here... PB413 A sustainable society can be prosperous, but it cannot have continually rising affluence. We accept that there is a limit to the wealth each person can receive, and this is true no matter how much or how little work needs to be done to produce that wealth. Some redistribution of income will be required. What wealth there is must be shared in such a way that everyone has a guarantee of economic security, otherwise people will not heed ecological restraints in their daily lives.

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Surely, somebody who is allowing the whole of Norfolk to be soiled, daisy Roots, with their childish and backward waste policy's, using the health of voters for their cheap, nasty and expensive plans, has no rights to judge a young Green party. Why do you feel the need to do the damage limitations for NCC, does it pay well?

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • @Ingo.Correction.You say Norwich City Council has been run by a single party for 36 years.This isn't true.Over the last 36 years,Labour has been in control from 1976-2002,control then passed to the Liberal Democrats until 2004.No party has been in overall control from then until this may when Labour regained control.

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    Peter Watson

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Stg, D'oh!! there is no scientific evidence, all the 'evidence' of MMGW is invisible. Shedloads of taxpayers cash spent and scary computer models still can't be sure. that all the invisible 'evidence', is really just a natural phenomena...emperors new clothes moment for green dummies and sheeple!!!

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • This resignation is leading to some ridiculous conclusions about the Green Party. My experience is quite the opposite, in that policies evolve from the bottom upwards, and are not dictated either nationally or by a local executive. May I suggest that Mr Rogers has found the life of a councillor not best suited to him.

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    samuelpeeps

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Well said Abraham...natural process. The 'industries' that grown with this MMGW nonsense over the past 20 odd years, have much to lose along with all the politicians who jumped on the bandwagon...The emperors new clothes..simples.

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • It's ok mrs Larson, thank you. I won't bother trying to knock sense into him. He won't put together a coherent rational argument. I'm not actually a Green Party member, just think they are sensible and reasonable. All parties have their self promoting odd balls, though thankfully david Ickes was never elected mayor of London.

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    Somethingood

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Abrahams and NRg. The weight of scientific evidence of mmcc far outweighs the concepts you have put forward. Neither of you comment on the political problems and fail to grasp the real problems. Are serco and bailing out the banks examples of wealth redistribution or not? There in lies the rub and resources are finite. I always think your last word sums up your beliefs NRg and Abrahams...

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    Somethingood

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Green ideas are young enough to be fresh, but the Green Party old enough to have been soured by the machine... I have faith Norwich will return environmentally concientious councillors, socially aware folk, every time, no-matter whom they represent, because those values resonate with most people here. Parties have had their day, I reckon.. while we're at it, though, as a former Green voter, any Marxist 'agendas' one harboured then or now could never be called 'hidden'...

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    Rogers of Norwich

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • I recognise that tangled train of thought, you must work for the Labour Party. I thought that crushing the miners, setting up cheaper workshops elsewhere and the collapse of the eastern bloc was the triumph of consumer capitalism. But really it was the greatest commie plot of all time. Stop foaming at the mouth NRg. I've really wound you up haven't I?

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    Somethingood

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Presumably Mr Rogers believes that the majority of voters in wards such as Nelson and Mancroft with their full set of Green councillors are either "gullible" or "authoritarian". I believe they are neither, just disillusioned by the main stream parties and yet still idealistic enough to belieive a set of freshish new faces could make a difference. This year we've seen the leader of the Greens at County Hall defect to the Tories now one of their City councillors believes they are dangerous and profoundly undemocratic. Welcome to the down and dirty world of politics you idealists. Incidentally, the new leader of the Greens, Natalie Bennett, wrote on her leadership campaign website in July, after hustings in Norwich, that she was "particularly proud" of Councillor Rogers' endorsement! I wonder how proud she is of his support today.

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    Red Steepler

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • D'oh!!! only one me, others, I'm sure are their own making...Just to end all this drowning polar bear nonsense scam...I leave the finest report to end all...simples!!! "The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, WE CAME UP with the IDEA that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself." - Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations 1990

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    nrg

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Conspiracy somethingood?? I'll leave all that biz to your old former leader of the green party, David Icke. The USSR caved in due to perpetual war and mounting death count in Afghanistan, old Gorby just went with the flow and become the green thingy he is now...a very rich one mind!!

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • we are allowed to comment on this tittle tattle, but are not allowed to comment on Mr. Packham's pay off of 100.000, weeks before being pensioned off, what a scandal, please share that story widely.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Hope the pub calms you down as I seem to have hit a nerve with you. Think you'll find it's the evidence against mmcc that is invisible and your dearth of economic understanding with regard to the wealth redistribution of tax payers money is frightening. More money went to the banking sector and government funding of contracts than has ever gone on climate change research. You're conspiracy theory is riddled with holes.

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    Somethingood

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Nrg ...otherwise known as John Norton , Joanna Grey , Bookworm , Albert Cooper...and a dozen more...spare us from any more of this deranged rubbish whose only purpose is to wind people up.

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    LARSON.E. WHIPSNADE

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Stg, now I've solved the natural occurrence of climate fluctuations for yourself and the other green herds of sheeple, I will now try to address your other worries wonga!!!...this is a man made problem and the roots go way,way back to the industrialisation of Blighty....tis the price of labour...simples, more to follow after pub and dinner.

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    nrg

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Why did it take Mr Rogers 7 years to come to this conclusion? He must surely have been aware of how the local party conducted its affairs long before his appointment in May.

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    JanieH

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Errr, Daisy Roots, the last time I looked the Green Party are not in power in Norwich, never have been and hopefully never will be. One can only hope that the "gullible" voters of Nelson Ward don't trot out and vote another one of them in come by-election time in December. They voted Green in Thorpe Hamlet and ened up with a Tory. They voted Green in Nelson and ended up with someone who thinks the Greens are profoundly undemocratic and dangerous. Why do they keep putting their faith in these guys? Perhaps Mr Rogers is right afterall and they are all gullible.

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    Red Steepler

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • we are allowed to comment on this tittle tattle, but are not allowed to comment on Mr. Packham's pay off of 100.000, weeks before being pensioned off, what a scandal, please share that story widely.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • I havent got time to worry about MMGW. I am still worying about the millenium bug, the Sars virus, bird flu, the ozone layer,and the impending new ice age.

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    Abraham

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Somethingood claims the Green vote went up in every ward in the 2012 city council elections. Really? By what convoluted statistical calculation can that be spinned? I've just compared the votes cast for Green candidates in each of the city's 13 wards in 2011 and 2012 and in fact the number of people voting for Green Party candidates was actually down in 9 of them this year. Even in the heartland of their support: in Nelson, Mancroft and Thorpe Hamlet their vote is dwindling.

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    Red Steepler

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • It would seem to me that the fruitbats are the ones who leave the Green Party not the ones who stay. That weirdo in Thorpe Hamlet who decided to become a Tory (!) and then this one who has obviously been told off by the party and is throwing his toys out of the pram. I think the problem with the greens in Norwich is that they are too trusting and too willing to give complete bozos a chance. As for electing a Tory - ho ho ho. Have you seen what they've got on offer? I'd rather vote for one of those Scottish Pandas. Vote independent everyone, especially at the elections in May. Then you dont have to worry about them throwing tantrums about their party because they wont have one. Their only remit will be to serve the people of their area. Seems like a good deal to me.

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    alecto

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Dear Peter I told you all, class plebeian joke.Something about Scotland discuss.Like to see in fighting allotment holders nice but dime verses the tax and spenders.

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    PaulH

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • People vote green as it is the party of the future??? Having shown its 'true colours' ... the green party is going to find its voter base shattered... no-one trusts them any more. They vote against progress, they vote against jobs and if it is something they won't actually vote against for fear of upsetting their 'dwindling' supporters they 'abstain.' Its not that they don't have the courage of their convictions, they simply have no convictions... their 'reason for being,' is simply to say 'no' to jobs to progress, to change.

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    jean jeanie

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Stg, when the odd balls gets to be the head honcho, you'll need to look at the rest of the useful idiots...simples.

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Asda not Asia.

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    Somethingood

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • JJ. Sorry cant see how refusing an Asia on planning grounds is refusing to create jobs, that's even if you believe labours lies about job creation. As for no one trusting them I think that people will need a long time before they trust labour, liberal or Tories again. The Labour Party are Tories with a pretend conscience and are responsible for wars and not checking the banks. Is that who we are supposed to trust. Thy cant even refuse a polluting ridiculous incinerator. The greens appear to have a great deal of courage as Tory are speaking out on important issues. Though Eric pickles ludicrously titled localism act merely enshrines more power in the hands of larger outsourcing companies, who do little for local employment. The greens want to ensure that local jobs are sustainable and go to the people of Norwich.

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    Somethingood

    Monday, October 29, 2012

  • Stg, "Stop foaming at the mouth" Cool as the weather sez i. Still waiting for your answer to green thingy jobs....as for myself being nuLabour??? AMPMPL!!!!The welsh windbag ended that brief support.

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    nrg

    Tuesday, October 30, 2012

  • One wonders why he ever represented the "Green Party" as they are very much the same as they were 5 months ago, Lets get rid of this absurd party politics and give the electorate some decent upstanding local people who actually represent them and not these hopeless parties who everyone is sick to the back teeth with.

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    John L Norton

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • So the trip to the pub didn't calm you down. So thatcher is now part of the green commie conspiracy. What pub are you going to? Despite the fact that the co2 outputs of both the former ussr and uk have gone up massively since 1988, not sure how they are combating change there. A green economy is a much more viable alternative to the slash and burn current economy.

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    Somethingood

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • If that was the case then university ward would surely be a Green Party seat. It's currently holds by labour. People vote green as it is the party of the future.

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    Somethingood

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

  • Said this all along, the greens are the most dangerous political party in Britain...when the old iron curtain fell, the reds evolved into 'environmentalists'. Waging war on the individual and blaming decent living conditions as the cause of MMGW, fairly shows what the real agenda is behind this undemocratic fake political party....boot 'em' out!!!!

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    nrg

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • I dont think The Greens are champions of a free society. They seem to want to tell everybody else how to live their lives, and seem to want to remove freedom of movement and choice to the masses. They also object to any kind of modern progress by consistently objecting to any new developments. If they ever gain control in Norfolk, I fear for our already sub standard infrastucture. I seriously doubt that their policies could possibly have any affect on climate change, what happens in the UK is a pinprick for global concerns.

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    Abraham

    Saturday, October 27, 2012

  • Red steeples, people vote green because the people of Norwich have sense. They see the other parties for what they are. The Labour Party elected quite a few Tories in their time. Blair, milliband and balls would all have been happy in the Tory party. Labour no longer represent social justice in any form. People are waking up to that fact.

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    Somethingood

    Sunday, October 28, 2012

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