Has your Norfolk county councillor revealed how they’ll vote in Monday’s King’s Lynn incinerator debate?

Monday sees a crucial vote, which could see the incinerator cancelled. Monday sees a crucial vote, which could see the incinerator cancelled.

Friday, April 4, 2014
9:26 AM

Dear Councillor, it won’t surprise you to hear we’re taking a very keen interest in Monday’s council meeting. We’re carrying out a survey beforehand, asking how you intend to vote. Will you be backing the burner, is it time to bin it – or would you rather not commit yourself..? Thanks for your response.

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Here’s what they had to say:

Brian John Hannah (LibDem, Sheringham)

“I personally think its rather rude of you to ask, you will see on Monday which way I will vote, but I will say that my mind had been made up weeks ago and I don’t intend to change it. Please remember that as a Liberal Democrat I am not whipped as some political members will be, I will make my own judgement when voting.”

Tim East (LibDem, Costessey)

“My vote is to bin the burner.”

Bill Borrett (Cons, leader of Conservative group, Elmham and Mattishall Division)

“Thank you for your email. You will be able to see how I vote on monday at the meeting.”

Jonathon Childs (UKIP, East Fleggs)

“As you are aware we in UKIP are not whipped our gracious leader Toby Coke does not tell us which way to vote. I like most of the UKIP councillors have worked tirelessly to stop the incinerator, much research and reading has gone into this, but I don’t ever go into a debate with a 100pc view on which way to vote unless it’s one of my motions

“The art of democracy is to listen to the debate and formulate your opinion on the day , not go in pre judgemental , the officers have indicated that we should reject the incinerator I have not seen all the new data

“But at this stage I would say I am strongly in the anti-incinerator camp , and unless some hidden information or figures rear there head on Monday I shall vote against the incinerator.

“Great credit must be give to our leader Toby for his un flinching work on his any I campaign and I do trust the papers report such valiant efforts.

“We have been mocked as fruit cakes etc but look what great work we UKIP councillors have done.”

Paul Gilmour (UKIP, Dereham South)

“We at UKIP have consistently argued that the incinerator contract was poor value for money and unpopular with the majority of people in Norfolk who would have to pay for it. We are delighted that finally common sense has prevailed and I can assure you that I and all my UKIP colleagues will be voting to scrap the incinerator contract, as we promised in our election manifesto last year.

“We will continue to investigate cleaner, more efficient and economical means of dealing with Norfolk’s waste.”

Deborah Gihawi (Lab, Mile Cross)

“If you look at the voting history, you will see that I have always opposed the burner.”

Mick Castle (Lab, cabinet member for schools, Yarmouth North and Central)

“On the basis of the officers’ reports and the continuing reluctance of Eric Pickles to release the outcome of the planning inquiry we have no choice but to vote as per the recommendation. Costly though.”

Rex Parkinson-Hare (UKIP, Yarmouth Nelson and Southtown)

“I have always been against the building of the Kings Lynn incinerator and I shall vote, on Monday, to terminate the contract.”

Margaret Somerville (Cons, shadow cabinet member for waste, Clavering)

“You will just have to wait and see.”

Alison Thomas (Cons, cabinet member at time contract was agreed, Lonmg Stratton)

“Due to my commitments (and reading required ) on adoption panel and fire and rescue scrutiny today and tomorrow I have not had a chance to read the council papers in depth. Therefore as I wish to ensure my decision is an informed one I have not made up my mind yet.”

Shelagh Gurney (Cons, Hellesdon)

“You will have to wait until Monday.”

Brian Long (Cons, Fincham)

“No guesses from me, bin the burner.”

Alexandra Kemp (Ind, leader of Independent Group, Clenchwarton and South Lynn)

“Think of King’s Lynn. Say no.”

Mike Sands (Lab, Bowthorpe)

“I’d rather keep my powder dry so to speak. Check back on how councillors voted when we had a vote on this some months back, 40 for 38 against. This was a recorded vote and you can see how each of the councillors voted.”

Pat Hacon (Lab, Caister-on-Sea)

“When I have heard all the evidence and listened to the debate I will then decide how I vote.”

Michael Baker (UKIP, Holt)

“It would be wrong of me to go to any important meeting with a predetermined mind when there may still be further information to be presented.”

Colin Aldred (UKIP, Lothingland)

“I can not give you my decision on how I will vote on Monday as I have not heard the full facts so will go into it with an open mind.”

Stan Hebborn (UKIP, deputy leader of UKIP group, Watton)

“It would be undemocratic and therefore wrong of me to tell you how I will vote on a matter that has yet to be presented in fact at a full council meeting, although I am pretty sure in my mind which way I shall vote. I shall be happy to speak with you after the vote on Monday.”

Roger Smith (Cons, Henstead)

“What is the point of being a councillor if you don’t have an open mind and the ability to listen to others.”

Jason Law (Cons, Freebridge Lynn)

“As some have said we should not go in predetermined. But I only ever went into this election stating quite clearly I will always say no to this project in particular. So I am a clear “no” on Monday. That is if the question is do we wish to continue of course. Do we wish to abolish this project? If this is the question it will be a resounding yes from me.”

21 comments

  • Roger Smith? His mind is about as open as a closed oyster. In any event the Tories are being whipped and the cowards wont be able to tell us what they really think because they will all be baa'ing their answers like the flock of sheep that they are. Ridiculous.

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    alecto

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • I suspect that there will be some diplomatic absences among the Conservative ranks on Monday. Likely candidates must include Cllrs Borrett, Humphrey, Mackie and Thomas. They are the four survivors of the Murphy Cabinet that committed us to this disaster on 7 March 2011. All four should now resign from NCC. I imagine that the Conservative Group will, in any event, get rid of Cllr Borrett as leader shortly after the meeting.

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    Nemesis

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • I read Roger Smith's comments and ask -Good; when are you going to start practicing what you preach - there has been no evidence of this to date.

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    maryjane

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • Roger Smith says: “What is the point of being a councillor if you don’t have an open mind and the ability to listen to others.” We'll see how open your mind is on Monday old pal.

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    Honest John

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • My councillor can't reveal anything until the leader tells him which way to use his free vote. We hear Borrett is once again going to wh.ip the Con Group to continue with the incinerator in their free vote. I would have thought any true Conservative would want to see the back of Borrett and the incinerator, and elect a new Party Leader who stood a chance of replacing GNobbs.

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    Honest John

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • Apparently, following officers and experts advice to build the incinirator was wrong, but now following the same officers advice to bin it is now right. Now how does that work? A democratic decision was made on the evidence provided at the time. To stick with that decision is a show of strength not weakness. How many of the Councillors questioned have already made up their mind - pre determined - irrespective of what evidence is produced today? These are the ones that are weak because they are taking a soft option rather than the right option.

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    Andy T

    Monday, April 7, 2014

  • No, my Conservative Cllr. has not been asked, he is an actuary who must be sad to see his party carry on as it does now, just to save a cabal that made a wrong decision during the last administration, albeit supported by some officers. I hope that he will vote for more jobs in recycling, for more expertise and for the reinstatement of landfill sites to woodland, recovering of resources and the decrease in landfill charges. Cllr.s that still support this outdated most expensive burner on Monday, will vote for party political manipulators, extra financial burdens on us all, and for polluting half of Kings Lynn with 180.000 tons of emissions every year.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Sunday, April 6, 2014

  • My previous comment about Councillor Hannah having a fit of the vapours seems to have disappeared. What a pity that whoever got precious enough to report my comment can't just go the whole hog and get the entire story pulled because an elected representative has cast themselves in a poor light by their own hand....

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    User Removed

    Tuesday, April 8, 2014

  • I thought that too. Why couldn't he just say he would vote to reject it like he did last time?

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    Bikerboy

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • As a long standing supporter of the Conservative Party, I simply cannot get my head around the fact that the Tory County Councillors of Norfolk (with a couple of exceptions) are still prevaricating as to whether they should vote for or against this damned thing. If they are for it then they should put their heads above the parapet and not wait for orders on Monday, and please, do not pretend that you have a free vote. I, like many others, am tired of the scheming that has been going on behind the scenes. Apart from pollution (a huge issue in itself), this is now going to cost Norfolk dearly if it continues. Time to man (or woman) up!

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    democrat

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • I trust the subject of an investigation will be raised on Monday. Mrs Franklin's powerful letter in the EDP today makes it clear that the people of Norfolk are owed nothing less.

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    alecto

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • Johnathon Childs (UKIP) is obviously going for this week's OBN (Private Eye).

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    maryjane

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • It does not matter what he outcome of the vote is tomorrow, as the meeting is just a formality that needs to happen, before a recommendation can be made to the Cabinet, who have all done a u turn and will vote the thing out - Gnobbs to save his leadership and his huge members allowance and the Lib dems who have been got the lambing effect.

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    Matilda

    Sunday, April 6, 2014

  • I can confirm that there is going to be a Conservative whip on. No doubt they will say that there wasn`t! Time for them to break ranks and then get rid of Borrett. He is inextricably linked with this failed scheme. Where is our old friend D? I feel bereft!

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    democrat

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • @nemesis I entirely agree with your sentiment. The question remains, if Borrett does gogets pushed, who wouldcould take over...?

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    Scooby

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • I think we can be certain that anyone who wants to vote in favour of scra.pping the incinerator on Monday, going against the wishes of a leader who has an interest for it to continue, will be told to stay away. Let us hope these councillors will turn up and vote regardless of party whi.pping, in the knowledge that it is easier to elect a new and respected leader, and live a life knowing they have honoured their own con.science, than live with regret for the rest of their lives.

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    Honest John

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • What on earth can they say in the debate that hasn't already been said over the months that this has been considered? Full marks to Tim East. You know what you will get from him. A County Councillor with integrity, now there's a novelty.

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    norfolkngood

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • I suspect that there will be some diplomatic absences among the Conservative ranks on Monday. Likely candidates must include Cllrs Borrett, Humphrey, Mackie and Thomas. They are the four survivors of the Murphy Cabinet that committed us to this disaster on 7 March 2011. All four should now resign from NCC. I imagine that the Conservative Group will, in any event, get rid of Cllr Borrett as leader shortly after the meeting.

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    Nemesis

    Friday, April 4, 2014

  • The Tories that vote for it are weak and whipped but the ones who vote against it are strong enough to go forward and will survive. There are some new Tory Councillors who will not put up with Borret, Mackie,Jordon and Thomas and they should be supported. The rest are a joke

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    Sweet cheeks

    Saturday, April 5, 2014

  • It does not matter what he outcome of the vote is tomorrow, as the meeting is just a formality that needs to happen, before a recommendation can be made to the Cabinet, who have all done a u turn and will vote the thing out - Gnobbs to save his leadership and his huge members allowance and the Lib dems who have been got the lambing effect.

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    Matilda

    Sunday, April 6, 2014

  • When I read 'know it all' Castle's comment I have to smile. If he had read the information and listened to the argument he would have known that the finances of the incinerator were well publicised months ago, at least as far back as October. This 'johnny-come-lately' is typical of the lazy members of the Cabinet we have under Nobbs. None could care less about what is happening they are only interested in their pay packet and jump on any bandwagon going so long as it keeps them in pocket money. Harrison is exactly the same - the man who told us that he had read everything on the incinerator and could see nothing wrong with it -another idle member. When this is over, we must rid ourselves of these clowns who think being a Councillor is all about feeding their own egos. We must have an external enquiry and the credentials of all these people must be examined the taxpayers of Norfolk deserve that as a minimum, because at the moment they are being treated unfairly by those they put into power.

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    maryjane

    Friday, April 4, 2014

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