The leader of the opposition at Norwich City Council has written to the environment secretary urging her to stand firm and not release the government money which would enable an incinerator to be built at King’s Lynn.

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Cabinet minister Caroline Spelman revealed in November that she would be withholding £169m of Private Finance Initiative credits which Norfolk County Council wants to go towards the £500m cost of the incinerator at Saddlebow.

She told County Hall she wanted to see more evidence of “broad support” for the county’s proposed waste strategy, and that led to leaders of some of the councils signed up to the Norfolk Waste Partnership sending letters to Ms Spelman.

The leaders say they back the Joint Municipal Waste Strategy, which includes the incinerator plan, and call for Ms Spelman to make the PFI credits available.

Norwich City Council leader Brenda Arthur did not send a letter to Ms Spelman in support, while Nick Daubney, leader of West Norfolk Council, which held a poll in which 65,000 people said they did not want the plant, sent his own urging Ms Spelman not to be swayed by the letters from district leaders.

And he has been supported by Claire Stephenson, leader of the Green group at Norwich City Council, who has re-sent a letter to Caroline Spelman she originally sent in the summer.

She said, in a note accompanying the resent letter: “I understand that leaders of some district councils in Norfolk have recently written to you in support of this incinerator, and I would, therefore, like to emphasise that thousands of people in Norfolk do not support the plans to build it.”

Miss Stephenson said: “As the Leader of the Opposition on Norwich City Council, I can testify that there is a large amount of opposition to this incinerator, in the city of Norwich, and throughout the county.”

She said in 2007, the city council has passed a motion confirming ‘its opposition to any form of incineration of Norfolk’s waste and pressing ahead with one now would take the county in the wrong direction.

The county council, however, maintains the incinerator is needed as an alternative to landfill and would save millions of pounds a year.

On Friday, County Hall officers will ask members of Norfolk County Council’s planning regulatory committee to agree to visit the Saddlebow site on a “fact finding” visit, ahead of their future decision on whether to award planning permission for the plant.

dan.grimmer@archant.co.uk

36 comments

  • I think Michael Ryan illustrates a very important point here - people are fighting incinerators up and down the country and are hitting the same sort of pig headed councillors who are ignoring the general public in order to curry favour with big business who put profits first and foremost with the guarantee that they can make all that nasty old rubbish just 'disappear' regardless of the hazards they also bring to the local communities! The only way to stop these outdated toxic monsters is to hit the EA, DEFRA, MPs and Central Government with the facts that the waste lobbying organisations are desperately trying to cover up. The likes of Borrett and Murphy might pour scorn on 'lower councils' but they also forget that they themselves answer to a higher power that holds them in the same regard. All power to your elbow Mr Ryan, keep fighting the good fight!

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    Fenscape

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • Peter J you are the alarmists I would say that people like you have alarmed 65.516 people by trying to dump your toxic waste incinerator on them. People are very worried for the health of their children.

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    Jack

    Monday, January 9, 2012

  • DaveG, no one is suggesting that we continue putting rubbish into landfill but there are better, cleaner and more environmentally friendly methods of dealing with it than dated and polluting incinerator technology. Trouble is, NCC have no Plan B and aren't interested in one anyway - they have got themselves in too deep with financial penalties to Cory Wheelabrator should they try to walk away from them..... This is completely about money and nothing to do with the best way of dealing with Norfolk's waste. I fear that once the facts are laid bare this could put NCC's Icelandic Bank fiasco into the shade.

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    Fenscape

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • I notice Peter J has not taken on the legislation joy,kings lynn is quoting! So Peter J what do you have to say about STATUTE LAW in the form of the Waste (England & Wales) Regulations 2011 and the EU commission legislation and its aims for 2020? Do you still think wasting 169 million of taxpayers money on a system which will be virtually obselete by 2020 is good value for money?

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, January 7, 2012

  • Paul Platten hasn't yet grasped the fact that the safest method of waste disposal is also the cheapest & it isn't incineration. Plasma gasification is the cheapest & safest method and the big question is why is it that a system that's been around for so long is being mostly ignored in UK. The UK is strapped for cash & yet is still signing-up for expensive & health damaging incinerator contracts.

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    Michael Ryan

    Wednesday, January 4, 2012

  • Please please please can we have some kind of comparisons made with other methods of waste disposal and waster energy production. It would be a scandal if an ancient system is built to make money for the old boys network at the expense of Norfolks future.

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    keith gerrard

    Saturday, January 7, 2012

  • The Green party will demolish the Tory party in West Norfolk if they field candidates in the next County elections. MP Richard Bacon had concerns that devious Tory Councillors were promoting a controversial incinerator at Costessey 2006. NCC is perusing out-dated technology (incineration) and the end product in converted into toxic ash, it then goes to landfill. If NCC get away with allowing an incinerator be built at Kings Lynn, this will have huge implications if a nuclear plant were to be planned at Yarmouth. NCC are playing one district against another by withholding funds for building projects if they go against the leader and rewarding others that are his poodles.

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    Choice

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Jack, again I must point out disingenuous arguments - it's hardly a reasonable point to make that someone else should have an incinerator in their back garden - this defeats the whole argument of those who oppose the incinerator. It's also not an effective argument to say that you're concerned at children's health given that every aspect of industrialisation harms peoples' health. And Canary Boy, I haven't commented on Joy's statute argument given that unlike most people, she makes entirely reasonable points that should form the basis of the opposition; unlike the alarmist points made by other commenters.

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    Peter J

    Monday, January 9, 2012

  • Jack, I am not trying to dump my toxic waste incinerator on anyone, I was merely pointing out the speciousness of your argument. By asking me to have an incinerator in my garden, you defeat the whole principle on which you argue, which, if I can translate it from the abject outrage that typifies your comments, is that an incinerator is not a good idea anywhere?

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    Peter J

    Tuesday, January 10, 2012

  • Letter to Secretary of State, Re: Kings Lynn Incinerator Dear Secretary Of State, I am writing to you to ensure you are fully aware of the position of Breckland Council as regards to an incinerator in King's Lynn. I do appreciate that as Secretary Of State you will have a difficult decision to make. However, I have become aware that the Leader of Breckland Council has written to you in relation to the matter. Councillor Nunn is the Chairman of the Norfolk Waste Partnership, and it is my understanding that he has said that Breckland Council supports an incinerator in King's Lynn. As a member of Breckland Council, and as Leader of the Opposition Labour Group, I feel obliged to inform you that there has been no consultation with the Council nor indeed has this matter been discussed at any Breckland Council committee meeting. Were there to be consultation with the council, andor the people of Breckland, I am confident that rather than overwhelming support there would be much opposition to an incinerator in King's Lynn. The Breckland Labour Group is completely against these proposals which have so clearly been rejected by the residents of the Kings Lynn and West Norfolk Council area. You may be aware that Councillor Nunn is also a member of Norfolk County Council, and that Norfolk County Council is proposing an incinerator. I can not say that this prompted him to write to you, but nor I can say it did not influence what he wrote. I believe that the Leader of King's Lynn and West Norfolk Borough Council has also written to you. I am aware that, in stark contrast to Breckland Council, he has consulted with his council and that there was no support for an incinerator. Indeed it can be argued that KLWNBC is unanimous in its opposition to an incinerator, and that their opposition is a reflection of the views of the overwhelming majority of the district. Yours sincerely, Terry Jermy Thetford Town & Breckland District Councillor Leader of the Breckland Labour Group Posted 03012012

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Wednesday, January 4, 2012

  • My apologies - Claire Stephenson

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    Barking

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Paul Platten, they are not my beloved Greens, I'm not a GP member, this is about public health sense and expenditure. This PFI proposal is not cost effective as it does not include the folow up health costs and or the disposal of toxic ash. As pointed out here many times, there are cheaper abnd more effective alternatives and there is NO MANDATE whatosever for this very dubious scheme Mr. Murphy and his tribe are so pig headed about. Why have they argued with voters for now over a year? what is their personal involvement in this bid? Was there corruption involved in the decision to appoint this technologically backward solution? Finally do you actually care what happens to the future of your children?

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • 11 Dec 2011 George Osborne and David Cameron rejected incinerators in their own constituencies, quoting they are the largest polluters to humans and wildlife. I am pensioner,where I live is 1 mile downwind of the incinerater.also there are five primary and infant schools within 2 miles. A gypsy site with children, which is within a 1000 yards downwind.This will affect the young and the elderly who already have respiratory system diseases through toxic pollution and the rest of the population, and don't forget the domestic animals, and all the wildlife. You cannot smoke in a public place,but they can build a incinerater right on the edge of King's Lynn with a population of( 41,000,)emitting millions of toxic particles contaminating the air we breathe.Furthermore there is all the bottom and fly ash,commercial,and toxic industrial waste, which will go into hazardous landfill sites,about 30% of the total tonnage will leach into the groundwater.

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    LFB

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • 11 Dec 2011 George Osborne and David Cameron rejected incinerators in their own constituencies, quoting they are the largest polluters to humans and wildlife. I am pensioner,where I live is 1 mile downwind of the incinerater.also there are five primary and infant schools within 2 miles. A gypsy site with children, which is within a 1000 yards downwind.This will affect the young and the elderly who already have respiratory system diseases through toxic pollution and the rest of the population, and don't forget the domestic animals, and all the wildlife. You cannot smoke in a public place,but they can build a incinerater right on the edge of King's Lynn with a population of( 41,000,)emitting millions of toxic particles contaminating the air we breathe.Furthermore there is all the bottom and fly ash,commercial,and toxic industrial waste, which will go into hazardous landfill sites,about 30% of the total tonnage will leach into the groundwater.

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    LFB

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • To Ingo W. and M. Ryan I would like to add, why didn't your beloved Greens (tree huggers) fight more for tidal power (24-7) instead of wind farms on land which have to be stopped when the wind blows a bit hard. I don't want to return to non motorist era as much as I love horses and carts, must move on so get on and build, create some jobs.

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    Paul Platten

    Wednesday, January 4, 2012

  • http:jermysjournal.blogspot.com201201letter-to-secretary-of-state-re-kings.html Great blog young sir, this needs sending to everyone.

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    Honest John

    Wednesday, January 4, 2012

  • Peter, nothing disingenous about the facts, I take your point about CO2, still facts remain which ministers and cllr. are spuriously ignoring for the sake of a quick fix. Follow on health costs, unmeasured, as it would take GP's to cooperate and design an ongoing health research data bank showing before and after data, are unlikely to be done voluntarily, so the pollution that already exist, not to speak whats added by this mass burner, will not be picked up by any monitoring. I'd rather get emotive on this issue than pat selfagrandising cllr. on the back. NCC has broken the contract it has with us, its officers and cllr. have acted inconsistent with the waste hirarchy, they changed it and now want to make out that incineratioon was always an option. Our council leaders have even gone over the head of their councillors, so stop shooting the messengers and concentrate on the future of our children.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Friday, January 6, 2012

  • Well done Claire Stevenson! It's good to hear some councillors are prepared to stand up to the bullying and manipulative tactics of the ruling party at NCC. Why replace landfill with skyfill?

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    Barking

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Usual Green Party or Labour policy, telling people what not to do, but no idea of what to do instead! We cannot just keep filling up holes in the ground with our rubbish

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    DaveG

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Peter J If you want an incinerator so badly why don't you have one at the end of your garden. I am sure you will eat yours words then. The people of King's Lynn and West Norfolk are worried for their childrens health.

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    Jack

    Friday, January 6, 2012

  • The County pay lip service to re-use.Charity shops are better at what their "Re-Use shops" at Recycling centres do. Get real about re-use! "Rubbish", as one councillor recently called it, in "Re-use shops" is not rubbish if someone else can make use of it. Well done the Porter family.

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    bedoomed

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • The Stroud Journal has articles about incinerators on pages 1, 2 & 3 of the 4 Jan 2012 issue. Page 3 has two maps showing infant mortality rates around incinerators at Wolverhampton and Kirklees. The maps aren't on newspaper website, but the articles are: http:www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uknews9450865.Javelin_Park_Investigation___Waste_fumes_linked_to_premature_deaths http:www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uknews9450915.Javelin_Park_Investigation___data_not_just_from_poorer_boroughs http:www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uknews9451010.Javelin_Park_Investigation___UK_plant_filters__let_particulates_through_ http:www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uknews9450951.Javelin_Park_Investigation___Analysis

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    Michael Ryan

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • Ingo, yet again you are using highly disingenuous arguments to support your case. Saying things like 'don't you care about the children' is a ridiculous argument to make. The electricity used to power your computer so that you can make that comment comes from fossil fuels, so if we're going to use 'children' arguments I could just as easily throw it at you for contributing to global warming.

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    Peter J

    Friday, January 6, 2012

  • Paul Platten is wrong to assume that incinerators are a localised affair, as adverse health effects of toxic PM2.5 emissions are measurable for a distance of seven miles for each hundred foot of chimney stack height. In Wales, a new Green Party leader has been elected and Pippa Bartolotti is concerned about the incinerator issue in Wales as seen in this article of 31 December 2011 which starts: "PIPPA BARTOLOTTI has been elected leader of the Welsh Green Party. The campaigner against an incinerator in Newport, where she lives, Ms Bartolotti also went with ships taking aid to Gaza." http:www.walesonline.co.uknewswales-news20111231welsh-green-party-names-new-leader-91466-30037173

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    Michael Ryan

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • I agree with the view it is essential we reduce our waste and recycle what we no longer need.The proposed incinerator would discourage the increase of recycling facilities which are essential for our well-being.

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    Lynda Edwards

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Dave G, obviously you are a conservative or have you been living on another planet for the last year? We want to reduce, reuse or recycle left over items we DO NOT want to poison people or the environment in an attempt to help NCC's business partners make massive profits from the Norfolk taxpayer. It should never have been a choice between landfill and incineration there are many options it is just that the lazyignorant officers and conservative councillors sitting in county hall have chosen the easiest most profitable, for their business partners, option available. The incinerator will NEVER be built.

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    Canary Boy

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Paul P. the waste burned in Kings Lynn will be from all over Norfolk and thats the issue in this article, she is not poking her nose into anything. This issue transcend petty party politics, its about public health. Looks like Norfolk GP's have no voice whatsoever. Ms Stephensons letter is a real indication of the feeling in the county. Her carefull comments once again point to the futility of unmandated letters in support of this backward scheme, sent of by SNDC leader John Fuller. Norfolk's voters have a contract with NCC that is not being honoured, they choose to reuse, recycle and reduce, never did they give an indication mas burn waste and produce toxins and spread them over west Norfolk or anywhere else.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Norwich City Council have today sent a letter to Caroline Spelman highlighting opposition to incineration since 2007. If they join forces with King's Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council to seek Judicial Review, if DEFRA go ahead and award the PFI funding in the face of no consensus of support - then this really would be game on!

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    Honest John

    Monday, January 9, 2012

  • Note that the Environment Agency don't bother to check any health or mortality data around any existing incinerator and are therefore unable to check whether or not their "modeling" is accurate or just fantasy.

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    Michael Ryan

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • Michael. This is quite worrying as, EA mention emissions over and above! So they admit there are pollutants. Is this for a period of an hour or is it twenty four hours a day for twenty five years. Prevailing wind and other polluters on the same industrial estate (Power Station and Paper Mill) that also have chimneys.

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    Choice

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • Plenty of problems in Norwich City Council without C. Stephenson poking her nose into affairs in the Kings Lynn area.

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    Paul Platten

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

  • Two major issues here - NCC itself is not 'prioritising the Waste Heirarchy', as it must do. NCC's definition of its residual waste includes material that can be segregated and can largely be recycled. Its 228,000 tonnes available for burning does not comply with the Waste Heirarchy. The proposal includes a large proportion of Waste from other Counties which defeats their own argument that the incinerator will solve the Norfolk Waste problem -it does not. The EAs most recent briefing says I quote " We cannot issue a permit that is likely to cause an adverse impact on any aspects of the environment" so they cannot grant a permit by their own words as there must be an element of risk to the environment and there must be a risk to wildlife and human health - they cannot approve a permit according to their own wording. The Wash Biodiversity Action Plan was formalised in October 2011, which means its Directives were also known to NCC, as a listed Partner. Why has the Wash Estuary Strategy Group not been consulted by the EA?

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    Joy, King's Lynn

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • Should have read 669 million of taxpayers money. 169 million from UK and 500 million from Norfolk taxpayers.

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, January 7, 2012

  • The European Commission is preparing legislation which is going to outlaw any item which it is possible to recycle from being incinerated by 2020, I repeat - it is POSIBLE to recycle- that includes most items that our councils have no idea how to deal with. WHY is Norfolk County Council continuing to try to force an incinerator upon West Norfolk when they are aware that come 2020 they will not be permitted to burn most of the items they have planned to use as fuel? Look up the EU road map to efficiency and follow the links to the legislation. While you are at it look at the Waste England and Wales regulations 2011 they became statute law in March 2011. How can our County Council keep on pursuing this outdated dangerous technology. They must educate themselves and start planning for the future or 8 years down the line every taxpayer in Norfolk is going to be paying the price for the county's ignorance.

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    Joy, King's Lynn

    Friday, January 6, 2012

  • I e-mailed the Environment Agency to ask them to name which electoral wards in Kings Lynn & West Norfolk would be exposed to emissions from the proposed incinerator and this is the reply: From: neil.davies@environment-agency.gov.uk To: Michael Ryan CC: Neil.Goudie@environment-agency.gov.uk Subject: Incineration in Kings Lynn Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:05:31 +0000 Dear Mr Ryan, Thank you for your email concerning electoral wards in Kings Lynn. During the permit determination process we assess the modelling of emissions from the proposed plant. This enables us to ensure, by imposing permit conditions, that no electoral wards are exposed to pollutants at levels above the limits set to protect human health. I hope this will reassure you. Yours sincerely, Neil Davies Head of Site-based Regulation

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    Michael Ryan

    Thursday, January 5, 2012

  • Incineration is the easy way out for those who support incineration, but they are treating the the symptoms of the waste problem, not the causes. We must recycle more, if they choose incineration.They will cause a bigger problem. However efficient the filters are, you cannot guarantee 100 % filtration of the fly ash, therefore creating toxic fly ash entering the atmosphere via the chimney stack polluting air quality and land and water.(what goes up must come down)? Then the next big problem is the disposal of the bottom ash, and the remainder of the fly ash from the filters.About 300 tons out of every 1000 tons of the total waste which has been incinerated will have to be buried in Hazardous toxic waste landfil sites causing polution to infiltrate into the ground water (underground water that has come mainly from the seepage of surface water and is held in pervious rocks )

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    LFB

    Tuesday, January 3, 2012

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