End it now: MPs urge councillors to kill off King’s Lynn incinerator at extraordinary meeting

The proposed incinerator site at Saddlebow. Picture: Ian Burt. The proposed incinerator site at Saddlebow. Picture: Ian Burt.

Saturday, March 29, 2014
8:02 AM

MPs from across Norfolk have called for councillors to “bite the bullet” and pull away from controversial plans for an incinerator which have cast a shadow across the county.

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Norfolk County Council will hold an extraordinary meeting on April 7 which could see councillors vote to tear up the contract for the proposed King’s Lynn burner. A previous meeting last October backed it by a wafer-thin two-vote majority.

Last night’s plea from the MPs echoed the EDP’s call last autumn to cancel the project.

The council is due to publish the documents which councillors will use to make their decision on Monday, but in contrast to previous announcements supporting the incinerator, a Norfolk County Council spokesman last night issued a short statement saying speculation about the outcome of the meeting was “unhelpful”.

Council officers have said the possible compensation payable if planning permission is not secured by May 1 would increase by £5m, from £26m to £31m. North West Norfolk MP Henry Bellingham said councillors had been scaremongering about the impact on the council’s finances, and it had put aside £18m to allow for a compensation payment.

He said: “The key point to bear in mind is that in the long run it is going to cost much, more money. It is the most expensive solution to treating Norfolk’s waste.”

He said communities secretary Eric Pickles might not make a decision on ratifying planning permission for the incinerator for many months, and it was “a no-brainer” the council should not wait for him to make a decision.

“Norfolk council tax payers need to know where they stand,” he added. “The vote in the council is on April 7 and there is a chance now to bite the bullet.”

South West Norfolk MP Elizabeth Truss said: “Let’s take the opportunity to end this saga and move towards a more positive future for waste collection.”

Norwich South MP Simon Wright said: “The people living in the part of Norfolk that would be affected by this voted decisively in a referendum in opposition to the proposal and I think if we believe in localism we really have to take that on board.”

North Norfolk MP Norman Lamb said: “My view remains the same that they should get out of it.”

Bill Borrett, who leads the Conservative opposition on the council and voted for the incinerator, said he was waiting to read the papers but had yet to see anything to change his mind.

A spokesman for Norfolk County Council said: “The council and cabinet meetings on April 7 are the proper places for discussion of the issues. Members will have an opportunity for full debate before cabinet decides on the way forward.

“Speculation on the outcome of those discussions is unhelpful at this stage.”

The EDP says that speculation may or may not be unhelpful, but what matters now is the outcome. It is high time to end this hugely-damaging saga and reject the incinerator.

Do you agree? Email martin.george@archant.co.uk

59 comments

  • The rights and wrongs on building it or not are one thing. But if you enter into a commercial contract you should really stick to it. If councils changed their plans every time councillors change or changed their minds nothing would ever get done. That's why they put the high compensation penalty's in the contracts. The people who oppose it should have done a better job before the contract was signed!

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    Tony

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Who ever is this dic kens bloke? Everyone who has ever followed this knows that the council are bang out of order and will pay a very heavy price for their astounding ignorance

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    Wymondham boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • I am with you C.B. no way will my savings pay for an incinerator, or allow the dictators at county hall to get away with indebting my kids and grandkids to years of either massive council tax bills or no public services. The only good thing is we wont live in a true blue county anymore they lost the plot with Murphy and his mate Borrett. Nobbs and his cronies are beyond contempt be traying their voters. Roll on next election when UKIP will sort the lot of them out.

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    Wymondham boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • I think it very good job council is giving plenty new vote for burner. No one can say they not doing jolly good job and being fair as well please. No person can argue with next vote result.

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    Mahatma Coat

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • There will not be any ‘investigation into NCC’. There may be a process followed that will be instigated by a handful of political irritants currently being exploited by left wing activists but it will not investigate anything. The systems that exist, such as they may be, are there to demonstrate diligent adherence to democratic process and little else. They were not created in order for any Council to be investigated. The sort of investigation that political activists would like to see does not exist and will not be created. Government Officers do not enjoy the habit of investigating one another and politicians local and otherwise share the same view. One can therefore conclude well in advance that the result of any so named ‘investigation’ will be a well watered down version of events that finds almost nothing worth reporting. In short it would support the already held view of any Council and its Officers whatever that may be.

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    Dickens

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • What happened to the 'If you don't vote for it you will bankrupt the council' argument? Oh, I forgot, it wasn't true as is the case with so much of this debacle. Borret, Nobbs et al should hang their heads in shame. How we can ever trust such people again is beyond me. People like Ms Kemp are head and shoulders above these people.

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    smithrob

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Oh and yes it was Bellingham and also Lamb that voted in the Commons in favour of a bedroom tax and yes at the same time they had both made claims for £15,000 in 'accommodation' themselves. Sauce for the geese but not for the ganders it seems.

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    Sherlock

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • One MP in particular seems to be getting desperate over this. One last stand before retirement. Pity to go out on a loser.

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    Richard The Third

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Perhaps it is Bill Boratt ( not sure about the spelling) although I can't imagine he would be blogging on here. Anyone else got a clue who shirley refers to ?

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    Diss 'N' Dat

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • Di.ckens what you are saying is highly disturbing to any law abiding citizen who believes that those who rule our council are good, honest, descent people doing their best for us all! You are virtually saying they are all scoundrels beyond the law! Surely not?

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    Canary Boy

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • Who's egos are being protected by this prolonged debate? Local residents have democratically rejected it and lower cost options are available. We have better things to spend our time and money on.

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    BureValleyPaddy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Oh do give it a rest Di.cky - what a load of baloney! The long and short of it has always been around the fact that you tried to use the campaign to wage your silly war against Daubney and Long but it appears you were spotted from the off. Since then we have all had to endure you spouting all sorts of hatef.ul rubbish from your wifi-enabled chaise longue under a myriad of different scoffing usernames. Crawl back under your rock - your agenda has always been selfish, nothing more. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • Another lonely Saturday night with just a bottle for company eh Bill?

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    Shirley Stalker

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • I have posted a perfectly factual non offensive comment twice and split a couple of words incase the auto moderator was set for Co.ry or all.eged but still no luck so perhaps go.vernment is a new trigger word or Gr.een In.vestment Ba.nk!

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Building these massive buildings along the River Great Ouse has to stop. In the event of flooding these large buildings will force deeper flood waters onto thousands of innocent people in King's Lynn. This is serious and for Borrett to say that he cannot see anything yet to change his mind is sick. The people of West Norfolk stood up and 65.516 of us rejected waste incinerator. We will not be ignored. We will never accept the Tory Wheelabrator inferno from hell burning £600 million of taxpayers money.

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    Jack

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • No. By the sound of it he thinks it is an old Lynn Councillor that got the boot. Spent time at sea I think. Don't laugh. Mind you these are the anti campaigners we are talking about so who knows what odd theories they might throw up.

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    Sherlock

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • Should the vote on Monday next result in the cancellation of this contract and the County Council is left with a shortfall - those who signed on behalf of the NCC should be held responsible for that amount as they have failed in their duty to the electorate to safeguard the finances of the council and squandered this money through lack of due diligence in the first place. There should be some sort of insurance for this kind of eventuality which I am sure NCC hold in the form of an indemnity. It might be in teresting to find out if this is the case.

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    maryjane

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • Of course it will D.ickens old pal, until the investigation into NCC gets underway. Oh sorry, have I let slip something you didn't know about? Perhaps your crystal ball needs a good dusting.

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    Honest John

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Would this be the same Bellingham that voted in favour of the bedroom tax and then claimed nearly £15,000 for spare accomodation ? Well he did according to Westminster records.

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    Webbed Feet

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Ps latest from the canaries directors box is that pickles will announce approval 24th May Murphy is sure so must be gospel! If you believe the gov are as bent as the norfolk conmen.

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Canary Boy. ComRes Headquarters. Four Millbank London, SW1P 3JA United Kingdom

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    Alan Allan

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Rich comment from multi name Shirley. I would ignore him if I were you. How many are you using Shirley? Here is a good one to add to your collection try Fenstalk. Funny how the same old tribe all pop up at the same time saying exactly the same things. Just answer the question from Webbed. Who is this 'Bill'.

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    Mr A. Schicklgruber

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • Tony you know as well as I do that the conmen agreed to proceed with the contract at a conservative group meeting on 4th March 2011! The planning application, permit application and the contract had not at that stage been put into the public domain, the full contract and very importantly the rpp, are still not in the public domain so how can you possibly criticise those opposing the incinerator and ash treatment facility which no one ever mentions?

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Looking at Mad Dog comment about clean glass. Bottle banks in the UK will be removed and glass will be collected from households once a month to be recycled under EU new legislation. Norfolk start glass collection in September and incinerator bottom ash has to have glass as part of the recovery process!

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    Interpol

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • moderator didn't like my comment either....

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    Scooby

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • I’m looking forward to what officers have managed to come up with this time in their report to influence the vote, they can’t resort to financial scaremongering again, they went a little too far with that last time. GNobbs will have had the best part of a year to make contingency savings, there has always existed the chance of a payout if Eric Pickles refuses planning, so there’s a danger of n.egligence in the pipeline if they keep pleading they can’t find the money. Hang on, there’s no law against b.ullying in County Hall as long as it’s in-party, so the Party Leaders keep their wedge and the rest of the sheep do as they’re told with their free vote.

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    Honest John

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • 'End it now' - Local people urge MPs to stop interfering and let the council get on with its work.

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    Del Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Those who ever thought that this 1960 waste burner would deal with our landfill situation could not be wronger. It will add to the problem as landfill mining only amkes sense if it is done fully and to reinstate the site. Some waster plants can mturn this old plastic waste and materials that cannot be recycled into sync gas to run cars, home heating or electricity. This incinerator demands waste that can be recycled such as glass and paper, to run its operations, but the company's record is clear, they did not adher to regulations, they disposed of their filters by burning them in their own plant and have been prosecuted for 'gross pollution' more than you can count on both hands. Our partner chosen by Cllr. Borrett, Cllr. Thomas, Humphrey and Mackie, those still there who decided on the cabinet, it was their decision to sit down with crooks and adopt the dearest option of all. No mistake, this burner will not encourage recycling or reduce landfill.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • Poor old Bill - stumbling around in the political wilderness whilst thinking he's still drinking with the big boys. How's the head today?

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    Shirley Stalker

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • When is a bank not a bank?? When it is not regulated by the financial regulators that all financial institutes are required to register with. The Millbank address should also identify exactly what this so called bank actually is.

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • By the way who is this 'Bill' stalker keeps going on about ?

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    Webbed Feet

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • The Green investment bank claims to be investing into a sustainable and sound development. The operator is only required to make a positive contribution to three of the following purposes.1advancement in the efficiency of the use of natural resources,thgough the production of reneable energy, and the recycling of SOME materials from the process, ( some can be miniscule)2 protection of the natural environbment, by avoiding waste to landfill (a farce as this plant does not deal with landfill but will add toxic ash to it); and 3 reduction of greenhouse gas emissions, compared with the alternative of continuing to send waste to landfill.( 180.000tons of emissions per year, which are avpoidabl;e by the adoption of a modern, much cheaper process this civil servantbanker knows very little about). They are flooing us and themselves, still the emperor is wearing no cloth whatsoever.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Cory have a major problem they are trying to refinance a dent of £280 million! A real bank wont touch them with a barge pole. Step in GIB.

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • I know "Bill", I worked along side him in the 80s He was childish then and still hasn't matured. Every time I visit here and read his comments, it's the old drivel under different user names.

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    Realist

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • They say it takes a big man to admit his mistake and change his mind - are you a big man, Bill Borrett?

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    Norfolk and Good

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Stop it before Pickles does. By then it will have cost the council (us) more. Bikerboy, I am now confused as to how much it will cost to cancel, as we seem to get a different amount every day. The game is over and has been for some time!

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    democrat

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Councillors are insured Maryjane. I would love to go into detail but the EDP throws a hissy fit when I try, for some reason I cannot fathom.

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    alecto

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • To all ordinary honest people that read this blog please think hard about what the supporter, Di.ckens, for this proposal is saying. This man does say things which would only be known to an insider at County Hall. If we accept that he does know what he is talking about it means that what ever project NCC officers and the cabinet decide they want to implement, and however they behave, the public are totally powerless to stop them or to hold them to account for wrongdoing. Think hard all those with major developments looming in their area. If ever there was a reason to make sure things within county hall change this is it. No one should be above scrutiny and no one should be above the l.aw! I find Di.ckens world difficult to comprehend after working within the cri.minal ju.stice system for many years. From my observations those who ab.use a position of trust are dealt with robustly. Ab.use of a position of trust and Ab.use of power are both individual aggrevating factors which must be taken into account by a ju.dge when considering any offence! In my experience a judge deals very harshly - albeit within sentencing guidelines - with such offenders because of the seriousness of such offences and a need to deter others from using their position to offend. My belief is that those who do missuse their position can, and will, be held to account however long it takes. I would also add that the revellations of Di.ckens should ensure that neither the conservative group or labour group have any credibility left and a vote for them in any future election is a vote to continue living in Di.ckens world.

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    Canary Boy

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • The good news of course is that this unit does not produce anything toxic . It is a green solution that works. We have seen this from the facts produced by the company involved. I am sure the Councillors will have this information put to them in good time.

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    The-Blue-Flag

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Henry is whistling in the wind and he knows it but as he has a small audience (for once) he feels the need to perform. No one believes in him though.

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    Inactive Account

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • There will not be any ‘investigation into NCC’ by NCC or any Monitoring Officer or Standards Board or any outside group or organisation. There might be a cursory glance that will take a very long time to instigate and conclude chaired by a carefully appointed person or persons by not by anyone outside of the fold. Any deeply held desire to see anyone held to account for anything perceived or otherwise will be rewarded with a very long wait for very little. There is no world outside. NCC is part of the system and the system does not destroy itself or any part of itself. Some involved may wish to convey the belief that the electorate matters in order to gain favour and votes but of course the electorate does not matter one bit as any honest politician will tell you - if you ever find one.

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    Dickens

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • I know "Bill", I worked along side him in the 80s He was childish then and still hasn't matured. Every time I visit here and read his comments, it's the old drivel under different user names.

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    Realist

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • Who ever is this dic kens bloke? Everyone who has ever followed this knows that the council are bang out of order and will pay a very heavy price for their astounding ignorance

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    Wymondham boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • As the 'Green Bank', lol, is 100 per cent owned by the secretary of state for business etc it has to comply with the freedom of information act 2000! My question is who actually funds it? The UK tax payer or national savings and investments? If the later my premium bonds and index linked savings will be immediately cashed in. No way will I back an incinerator bottom ash treatment plant that will cause harm to peoples health, pocket and the environment.

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    Canary Boy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • MPs getting carried away with themselves as usual. Anything to catch a vote. If the yokels wanted green bread and thistles in their hair they would support it. Like clean glass. See right through them. Is there an EU election looming by any chance ?

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    Mad Dog

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Di.ckens the investigation will not be internal! We all know that any complaint against any one within county hall is whitewashed. Only an external investigation will ever uncover the truth and hold those responsible to account. The world does not revolve around county hall you know.

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    Canary Boy

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • Of course they should vote again and increase the majority in favour. Should have done it properly first time. Once this is done they can quieten down the moaners and get on with it. No doubt the moaners will find yet another reason to moan about the result.

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    Not A Pheasant Plucker

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Who is this 'bill' Shirley keeps on about ? He seems a bit obsessed by him.

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    Webbed Feet

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • The green credentials for Cory are without question and they have indeed produced sufficient evidence to back their claims. The Councillors have been briefed and they will make up their minds in a fair and balanced way without any interference from anyone as always. Well done NCC. Good show.

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    Sherlock

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Of course the Conservative MPs want it cancelled. If it's built, the Tory Wheelabrator incinerator will stand next to one of the main gateways into Norfolk as a permanent reminder of what the Conservative lunatics of Norfolk County Council did for their constituents!

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    Edward Millionaireband

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • The ‘new’ vote will deliver a result to replace the ‘old’ one but it remains as a matter of public record that the Council, Cabinet, Committees, Sub Committees and Officers all managed to preside over a fair and even handed process that will historically demonstrate they were above reproach and beyond criticism. The ‘new’ result will be added to the earlier evidence and provide additional momentum to support the scheme.

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    Dickens

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • The press release on the NCC website says cancelling it on the 7th the compensation is capped at £20.3 million. The EDP also reported this figure last week. Now you are back to quoting £26m rising to £31m. Get your facts right! The motion for the meeting states it's capped at £20.3!

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    Bikerboy

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • This council really needs to start living in the real world, just stop this thing and move on as the compensation claim will get larger and larger. On the other hand all Councillors who vote for it should start putting there own money in the pot, let's start at 100k each, after all it's there appalling actions that will cost the public.

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    Sweet cheeks

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Just for clarity I am no supporter. My intention is to raise awareness and put out information which has been achieved. Unfortunately the campaign wasted too much time attacking the wrong targets and positions and the information was misread and challenged rather than acted on. There is no comparison to be made between government and the legal service other than the quasi judicial nature of the planning system where Councils act as judge, jury and executioner. The government, be it local or national, is the ultimate power and there is nothing beyond it. It cannot be interfered with, challenged or defeated if the will exists to resist opposition. The target therefore was that will. The very worst way to deal with any government is to attack it or any part of it. The only way forward is through carefully planned negotiation via an experienced intermediary that knows the game and all the players. That route could have halted this process some time ago and before the ill advised Planning Inquiry. Any potentially successful openings were effectively closed by the campaigners themselves when they began a series of personal vendettas.

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    Dickens

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • A timely reminder about the ash treatment facility as it is also part of the plan. How lovely for people who are visiting Norfolk Arena next door who will have goodness knows what being thrown up in their faces every time a race meet is on. Maybe the owner will be issuing gas masks to everyone to try and minimise the risk of respiratory harm to his punters?

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    User Removed

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Webbed Feet (How very witty btw!) - why don't you just stick to the one user name in future? I'm sure you're confusing yourself trying to keep track of all your different logins much more than I ever could.

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    Shirley Stalker

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

  • Think you need more water with it dear.

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    Shirley Stalker

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • One might agree with others about the status quo of politicians. You may think what you will. I could not possibly comment. On the other hand if you believe in all sincerity that honesty will prevail then you are naive. These decisions are made well in advance and only after that does the democratic process become an active part played out to appease the masses.

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    Dickens

    Monday, March 31, 2014

  • I forgot to add last night that the official annual account document Green Investment submitted to companies house left of two little words that were helpfully filled by someone in handwritting, the missing words were Bank Plc. So is it a bank or isn't it? It belongs to no recognised regulator and whoever prepared the accounts forgot it was a bank. Whoops!

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    Canary Boy

    Sunday, March 30, 2014

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