The new-look Norfolk County Council has been thrown into limbo after failing to elect a leader at its first meeting this morning.

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Conservative group leader Bill Borrett, the only nominee, was defeated after failing to win the support of any councillors outside his own party over his stance in support of the King’s Lynn incinerator.

There had been talk over the weekend of the Conservatives, who have 40 of the authority’s 84 seats, reaching a deal with the 10-strong Liberal Democrat group, but they proved unfounded as Mr Borrett’s leadership bid was defeated 43-40.

The decision leaves the council without a leader or cabinet and unable to make any political decisions. Acting chief executive Anne Gibson will lead the council until the parties can reach agreement.

Following the leadership vote, this morning’s full council meeting at County Hall was adjourned except for a motion proposed by Conservative John Dobson to debate the pans for the controversial waste incinerator in West Norfolk. That motion was passed, meaning that the full council will discuss the plans at a meeting within the next five weeks.

Mr Borrett said he had not been surprised not to have secured the leadership and said negotiations would begin with other parties to secure their support.

“With no overall control you expect to have something like that happen. There’s no party that has enough support, as was demonstrated, to have its own way in the council chamber,” he said.

But he denied the council’s lack of leadership had plunged it into crisis. He said: “It’s not ideal. We don’t have members giving direction and focus to the authority. But we do have thousands of very good officers who have their day jobs to get on with. We are not facing a crisis.”

38 comments

  • Rum old do.Democracy was a big Ukip theme in the May election and yet they have allowed,through inexperience no doubt.a non-elected bureaucrat to run Norfolk until the Tory group leader can sort out his muck-spreading problems within his own group.My advice,gratis,is to apply an addendum to the full council meeting, scheduled for the end of the month,with the item to be "Election of Leader" but that nominations for Leader are made from the amphitheatre of council UNTIL A leader is finally elected.It really is imperative Norfolk does not turn into Greece or Italy,without the weather,who had unelected EU bureaucrats imposed upon them.That is the last thing Norfolk needs.Alternatively,the democratic deficit may have to be resolved by Central Government with at least an equal amount of incompetence.

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    Peter Watson

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • "But we do have thousands of very good officers who have their day jobs to get on with.” Yes Bill, and several SENIOR officers on a handsome wedge that aren't very good at all. Still, nice to see you acknowledge the little people for once, rather than helping to make them redundant.

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    User Removed

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • 2 Councillors were not there at the end when voting took place.If they could not see out this one unique meeting,why were they there? Given time and the information supplied as requested by Councillor Boswell and others, all Councillors should be up to speed with the Willows planning application by the time they next meet.With no leader to direct them, no other meetings to worry about as the Officers are now running the County Council and no party whip, independent thinking might come to the fore. And as for the ones who didn't know what they were voting on without a colleague's advice, at least they were not young Councillors who might have an excuse!

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    bedoomed

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Borat haven't you got the message yet, you're not wanted mate, if someone had put forward the cat litter tray as leader it would have romped home. Meanwhile still the same old bitter drivel spouting from the keyboard of thickens pretending this is all going to plan - keep those rose coloured glasses on old pal, we all hang on your every word.

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    Honest John

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Rum old do.Democracy was a big Ukip theme in the May election and yet they have allowed,through inexperience no doubt.a non-elected bureaucrat to run Norfolk until the Tory group leader can sort out his muck-spreading problems within his own group.My advice,gratis,is to apply an addendum to the full council meeting, scheduled for the end of the month,with the item to be "Election of Leader" but that nominations for Leader are made from the amphitheatre of council UNTIL A leader is finally elected.It really is imperative Norfolk does not turn into Greece or Italy,without the weather,who had unelected EU bureaucrats imposed upon them.That is the last thing Norfolk needs.Alternatively,the democratic deficit may have to be resolved by Central Government with at least an equal amount of incompetence.

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    Peter Watson

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Look east tonight- the conservative group put forward what motion? BILL - the motion was put forward by one person, John Dobson against a good deal of opposition from the tories before the council meeting. No brownie points there Bill.Too many 'porkie pies'!!!Why do you think he had to ask for a Lib Dem seconder?

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    maryjane

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • just dawned on me Andy T - no relation of Alison T?

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    pig in trough

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Dishonest John resorts to racist remarks in his daft bids at side swiping. Forget it sonny - you have neither the wit nor the intelligence required. Typical anti incinerator mob comment - they are making attacks on the Irish now (see below). Looks as though I have finally found the perfect match for that short plank in the shed.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • This is modern politics in a nutshell. The Conservatives put forward a plan (Mr Borrett as a nominee), none of the other parties have any plan of their own (No other nominees), but they all vote against the Conservatives, "Cos, that's we do mate!"

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    DaveG

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • In truth the make up of NCC is worse than ever now, as the Conservatives have a huge majority, because UKIP are nothing more than right wing Tories who oppose the incinerator. Wait until this single issue is out of the way and they will be able to push every thing they want through. You wait and see.

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    John L Norton

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • I suspect that the only thing that has finally sailed into the sunset D.ick.ens is your brain. Exactly who has been out classed? The Tories who are now on longer in overall control of NCC? Ex-leader Borat who will now have to find another swivelly chair to perch on? Ex-Leader Murphy who now languishes out in the wilderness? Or the people of West Norfolk who might see the back of the incinerator without it having to complete it's course through the Public Inquiry? That's the thing about your egotistical arrogance isn't it - you can't see what's right under your nose. The only one out classed here is you.

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    User Removed

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Did some one mention Lisa Chistmasdung? She's on Look East right now, and its like Borat from last night all over again. A load of misleading spin about the schools in Norfolk, how many are 'outstanding' etc, etc. In truth she has been in post, hand in hand with that other loser Alison Thomas, driving down schools in Norfolk during the years of tory misrule at NCC, so that Norfolk now sits in the bottom quartile of performance nationally (we used to be mid table before these idiots got control of NCC). And please stop rocking the boat with clever suggestions - you know who you are - I am being lined up as an unelected 'technocrat' leader (come Mario Monti) and don't want anything to derail this. Grazie.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Borrett is unacceptable because he's secretive, culpable regards to the conception of the incinerator, complicit in covering up the nature of the contract which does not need to be secret anymore and complacent as to ignoring all those who know that recycling creates many more jobs than this 1970's ball breaking pollution generator. I propose Cllr. Bird to lead NCC, as the only Independent with no dogmatic party agenda or attack dogs to turn him into a dictator. Failing that a rotating chair will do for this squabbling boys club, its was like watching a school ground yesterday.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Looks as though hapless blogger Fens.cr.a.p has been running off to teacher with tears and sob stories once again. “Please Sir the big boys are being horrible to me again” It can dish it but cannot take it as usual. It is the trademark tactic of the anti campaign. They operate that way when backs are turned. No wonder their pointless campaign was such a disaster with that sort involved. Wait until its mum finds out the computer is missing.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • You can propose who you like in your dreams but the fact is that the Tories remain the largest party in charge at NCC. That is democracy - deal with it.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Since when did Borat spell his name that way?

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    DocOhNo

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Interesting to see Dishonest John struggling to get his head around what happens at County Hall. I am writing this slowly DJ because I realise you cannot read very fast. As I tried to point out to you when you thought the Anti Mob were going to win some seats and when you thought UKIP were going to take control and when you thought Mr B was going to be thrown out and when you claimed the Tories were not in charge any more and all that other guff about the incinerator they are building. Listen up sonny - you have never been right on anything up to now so expect what you have become used to - being defeated. You and your playground chums can make up silly names for those at the Council etc all day long. It shows you all up for what you are. That is why you get beaten every time. Lack of ability.

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    Dickens

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • @bedoomed Agreed.The Electoral Reform Society has reported on the STV system where it has been in situ in Scotland in local government for a year.It looks promising and part,but only part,of reducing the democratic deficit in England too.At least in Norfolk we avoided any uncontested seats which has been a large part of the problem.Shropshire was full of them and Labour did not even stand in Surrey.Every Norfolk voter had the opportunity to vote Labour,north to south,east to west,city towns,villages and parishes.STV in local government in England may well be worth considering so that viewpoints are better reflected in those who represent us.The last Conservative administration is evidence enough that One-Party States are good for no-one.It breeds their arrogance and complacency.

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    Peter Watson

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Yes Andy, I did not get in, but nevertheless achieved my aim, to stop this incinerator, as much as it rancour's with some on here. Face the fact, no more Tory cover ups, filibustering of debate, because the Constitution for NCC, written with the Conservatives in mind when it comes to allocating seats on committees, will be the first to get changed, no more blundering, bullying and or forced agenda's. You and I shall get used to it.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Ingo. And watch is all you can do because you didn't get in. Dickens. Well said. Resorting to name calling and personal comment just shows the level. Thank god these people aren't still in school. Ofsted would have a burnout!

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    Andy T

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • I’d heard astronomers had discovered a new planet but didn’t hear it mentioned that thickens was its only inhabitant. The speed at which you type has no bearing on my speed of reading, do you have Irish roots? Judging by Borat’s face yesterday and the army of council officials hopelessly scurrying around, it appeared the brain cell they all seem to share was struggling to get its head around what happens at County Hall too. I don’t remember thinking any of the things you accuse me of, perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else, although in fairness the Con men weren’t in control yesterday were they? What an absolute delight to see such a united front oppose them, democracy at its best. Why not have a little chat with John Boldon of Cory and listen to his views on those opposing the incinerator, I think you’ll find he’d disagree with you, but you hang in their old pal, keep clutching at that straw.

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Maryjane is right to point to Borat's amnesia and disregard for reality and the truth. On Look East, he claimed that a 'Conservative' motion on the incinerator was universally backed by all parties. This man has long since departed company with the truth - in fact the real story is that Colonel 'demented Dobbo' (demonic Tory rebel John Dobson) put this motion forward in direct conflict with his group. The Conservative Group voted down John Dobson's motion in a recent meeting by 33 against to 3 for. Is that what you call a 'Conservative' motion Borat? He still won't admit to his role in 'kevingate', tell us the truth of the secret deal he and Iffy Cliffy brokered with David White or the real story behind Coltishall. These two snakes are a threat to the fabric of our democracy. Do not be complacent - Borat and Iffy Cliffy are becoming desperate in their attempts to cling to people. They will continue to entice UKIP and the Lib Dems for a deal. Cllr Brian Hannah stayed away from today's proceedings - word on the street was that he was fuming, his long desired ambitions to become Chairman in tatters after the deal between the Lib Dems and Tories collapsed, the result of severe pressure put upon the Lib Dems by their supporters not to sell out.

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    pig in trough

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Agreed Fenscape, but sadly they ARE still making people redundant. No job appears to be safe, but we still carry on and do our jobs to the best of our ability, because that's what we are paid to do! Loyalty doesn't seem to count for much these days.

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    Carol Bolton

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • If the conservatives want to hold any sort of power they have to forget about people from the past. That means no Borrett, Jordon or mackie. They are all tainted and should be back benchers, how can these people ever be trusted

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    Sweet cheeks

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Borat's performance in the chamber on Look East tonight was an omnishambles which made Osbourne's budget almost look coherent! Norfolk continues to be the laughing stock of the nation. One wonders whether David White, former Chief Executive of NCC, saw this coming and got out before he was pushed. He could see his empire crumbling and jumped before he was consumed by its collapse. There is at least one truth that Borat uttered on the TV tonight, it isn't just the incinerator the the opposition parties have a problem with the Tories and Borat on - the other principle issue is Childlren's Services and its Director, Lisa (Lenin) Christensen. Not even Tories MP's can stand by anymore, such is the scale of the crises! Brandon Lewism Liz Truss and Chloe Smith have called for her and Alison 'Turnip' Thomas to be sacked within Tory circles and 'publicly' 'on probation'. Anyone who has spent time at NCC and has read the investigations into the serious failings of the management of Nottinghamshire Social Services under the leadership of David White during and in the aftermath of the Broxtowe scandal, will recognise the same management culture at NCC, no more so than in Children's Services, whose Director was a close confidant and supporter of David White. Borat not only kept this man on as Chairman of NORSE, the County Council's commercial arm (when White supposedly resigned citing his lack of commercial skills and experience to run the council going forward) but supported retaining him on as CEO for at least 6 months. What does this tell you about the judgement of his man. When are the grandees of the Tory Group going to stand up and be counted? Andrew Proctor is said to be watching these developments very carefully as our one or two others, including Colonel Demented Dobbo (aka John Dobson) before they make their move!

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    pig in trough

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • The news tonight is that Borat is fighting to stay as Leader of the Conservative Group and Iffy Cliffy Worzel Jordan is rising from his political grave to retain power at any cost. Iffy Cliffy, whose replacement puppet, 'Airhead Ann' Steward lost her seat, has placed all his eggs in one basket with Borat! He has been phoning Tories this afternoon and evening, persuading, threatening and bribing them to back Borat! Iffy Cliffy's only remaining close ally is Joe 'Reptile' Monney, who commands little respect or support in the Tory Group. Borat and Iffy Cliffy will stop at nothing to keep the power they love so much. Iffy Iffy controls NPLaw and Fifi McNeil, who is giving out her usual suspect legal advice (much of it taken straight from disney such is its reality to the law of the land). Iffy Cliffy's other senior officer, Ann 'Gormless Gibbo' Gibson, former Head of HR, is now in the driving seat as Interim Managing Director. Iffy Cliffy and Borat made sure they controlled the levers of power!

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    pig in trough

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • This morning Norfolk's councillors managed to make decisions without a leader, so let us not worry about a leadership that went past voters wishes for so long. Remarkably the motion on proportionally appointing cllr.s to committees, not taken, is now obsolete, as Councillors who have sworn to serve NCC, have to serve us all, regardless of party dominances. So why not appoint them at random to committees and abolish party political whips, let councillors inform themselves and make a conscious decision for Norfolk voters, not their party, proportional preferences or any other split loyalties such as freemasonry. For all its worth, the chairs job can be held in rotation, with a learning deputy who will eventually take over, seamlessly, once the chairs term is up and who then gets another deputy attached according to the rotation policy, a continuous chain of leadership, always informed and ready to act, or deputise.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • How much is the council costing us? I have no interest in the petty machinations of councillors,but quite honestly I would be more than pleased if the whole lot were replaced by a cost effective non political group of experts and businessmen working on a voluntary basis to sort things out! This would mean a drastic reduction in council tax,an increase in efficiency,and a layer of very expensive local government would go the way of the Dodo! Not before time!

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Wednesday, May 15, 2013

  • Dear oh dear, after reading some of the childish mudslinging and schoolyard name calling that you lot are throwing at each other, it makes NCC look almost statesmanlike in comparison.

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    Abraham

    Wednesday, May 15, 2013

  • This is just speculation, but I'm betting that John Martin (EDP letters today) has never been so pleased to be proven wrong ;) by this massive vote of no confidence in Borat. Let us pray that this is a sign of things to come. Who knows, one day soon we may see a SFO investigation into the whole sordid incinerator affair.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Political parties have paid for leaflets at election times and sometimes throughout the year. They have galvanised activists to deliver and canvass. This year's elections seem to indicate that all the aforesaid are not needed, as I understand some candidates did not attend counts and no more than roughly 40% of the electorate in Norfolk voted.The trouble is turkeys don't vote for Christmas,especially in bootiful Norfolk, so it needs Government to change the system.

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    bedoomed

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • I saw no ships - only hardships for the council! They flapped about not knowing what to do and had to go to tea-breaks to consult. The leader didn't get re-elected and JD's motion was passed. I think you must have gone to the wrong meeting Mr. D.

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    Sandy.L

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • At the present time because there is no leader, there is no cabinet. So how can you sacrifice anyone from the cabinet when there isn't one. Whilst the minority groups snap and snarl and object, there are no cabinet members to make decisions.

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    Andy T

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • Party politics should play no role in local government. Councillors should be acting in the best interests of all Norfolk citizens, not trying to pursue their own party's political agenda.

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    Betty Swallocks

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Borrett says that members are unable now to give direction and focus to the authority - well that's a step forward then. Better than the disasterous directions and decision making of the past years that have brought NCC and the Conservatives into disrepute. Both he and Jordon should resign and beg forgiveness for their contribution in bringing this authority to such a state of disarray.

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    mrsmurphy

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • Borat continues to cling to power, aided by his puppet master, Iffy Cliffy worzel Jordan. Iffy Cliffy has been trying his best to bully cllrs into supporting Borat but his power is ebbing away. The Tory grandees are waiting to see if the other parties can reach a deal with knifing Borat in the back for the good of their group. Borat and Iffy Cliffy are said to be hoping to cling on a few more days in the hope that the public will lose interest andor patience and the opposition parties will lose their nerve - this will be Borat and Iffy Cliffy's chance to secure Borat as leader after having mad a few concessions on the incinerator and possibly a sacrifice of Alison 'Turnip' Thomas to take the blame for the failings of Children's Services. Do not underestimate the tactics of these men as they will do anything to cling onto to power until their last breath!

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    pig in trough

    Tuesday, May 14, 2013

  • What puzzles me is the voting reported. It seems votes were taken for and against Borret to be Leader but that is not an election (when you vote for the candidate of your choice or abstain) but rather the way you vote on a motion (for or against). A muddled situation appears to have been compounded by the wrong procedure being followed. Were the members mislead by bad advice again? If so, who gave that advice?

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    Old Hand

    Monday, May 13, 2013

  • The ship has now sailed and none of you are on board. Out witted. Out manoeuvred and out classed every step of the way. Not difficult. All that remains is a public show of hand wringing and puffing in order to be seen to satisfy some election promises and to shut up a hapless handful of noisy campaigners who seem to labour under the delusion that they matter. Jokers.

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    Dickens

    Monday, May 13, 2013

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