Health bosses have announced they are planning to install controversial smoking shelters at the James Paget Hospital despite it being a smoke free site for more than seven years.

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The trio of shelters are being built in a bid to stop people lighting up outside the Gorleston hospital’s main entrance, a practice which continues to anger visitors.

Managers have said they are “recognising the reality” of dealing with smokers by introducing the shelters, as previous attempts to move them off site “doesn’t work”.

But the plan has been slammed by a patient watchdog Norfolk Link, which said the hospital’s move to accommodate smokers sends out the wrong message and wants the site to be smoke free.

And Unison, which represents thousands of NHS workers, thought health bosses had more opportunity to address the problem rather than just installing shelters.

Jeff Keighley, Unison regional director, said: “Three quarters of smokers want to quit when asked and I would expect this to be higher in health professionals and hospital workers.

“Therefore we would like to see a broader package which focuses on assisting smokers to quit and providing them with free Nicotine replacement, other medications and support to quit which has proved to be clinically effective and much cheaper.”

● What do you think of the decision to install shelters at the James Paget? Leave your comments below and vote in our online poll.

70 comments

  • To the one's on here who think it is right there is a reply to you. The hospital has a duty of care policy for the workforce and by them putting up the stench hut's, oop's sorry smoke hut's they are in breach of that policy.

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    loco

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • It's unfair to attack smokers, who do pay for the NHS, it is legal and taxed by government, that creates smokers so you can't then deny them smoking outside. I see at the UEA hospital there are area's where you cannot smoke, like right outside windows, but if smoking is that bad, and it is, then it should be made illegal and the government will have to get it's taxes elsewhere. I'd make tobacco and alcohol illegal, and legalise what is illegal now as it does so much less damage, you can put all other drugs together and they'd still do less damage than smoking the drug nicotine or alcohol the poisonous drink, and on their own too.

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    Jason Bunn

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • tiggy123 why the anger at SEEING someone smoking i suppose you think that this will cause you and others to drop dead of some horrific disease

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    Stephen Erskine

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • I am not at all surprised by this news. But, then again, I am not surprised by many things these days. I really do feel for all concerned and would, perhaps, just like to point out that Jesus loves you. That's right. He loves YOU.

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    Yahweh or the Highway

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • Dave C. Just to make you feel more secure in your little smoke filled zone, while living in your asbestos lined home with lead pipes and untreated water from the well, the world is certainly flat, Blue whale is not an endangered species, Climate change does not exist and the Do-Do is alive ane well living in a flat in London. You do not need a Halo to accept facts about the dangers of smoking, just basic intelligence. You are an ardent smoker who sees no harm in what you do, that is fine and no doubt we all respect your opinion, which we are all entitled to. However, if a drunk vomitted over you in the street I am sure you would complain, well I see no difference between that and you spewing unwanted smoke over someone. If you enjoy smoke that much, inhale it and keep it in. Problem solved. Your statements are quite sickening really to those who have lost relatives to the effect of smoking, myself included, I have seen first hand the effect it has. Unfortunately smokers are a very selfish breed who enjoy inflicting thier misery onto others. Hope you enjoy life in your smoke filled little world and never have to suffer the concequenses that others not so fortunate have had to undergo. Smokers cost industry millions every year and tell me, why should smokers feel they are entitled to additional breaks at work? smoke breaks seem to extend longer with each one, then to make matters worse they drag the stench of smoke back into the room to contaminate everyone elses air space. Then you say none smokers are selfish. I think not.

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    Mr T

    Sunday, June 3, 2012

  • N & N is terrible too. When my late Dad was in a ground floor ward in very hot weather all the windows were open and smokers congregated outside and their smoke was blowing in. Nurses kept asking smokers to stop as there were elderly people with respiratory problems but it fell on deaf ears. The site is non smoking and people are just too lazy and selfish to walk out of the gates.

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    samphirelover

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Stephen Erskine and June Muskett.. as John Cleese famously once said.. 'Is this a piece of your brain'?...

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    Ramsey Soudah

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Essex girl ; Freedom of choice should be respected but also my health and well being should have to be respected. I should not have to walk through a cloud of smoke, if you wish to smoke it is down to you as you pay for it now all will no doubt in future be able to to get back some of the taxes to aid your recovery if you should end up in hospital. As said respect but not at my expense.

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    loco

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • So June, have you always been a self righteous bigot...or does it just come naturally to you? You may view smoking as disgusting and filthy, but millions of good people enjoy the pleasures of smoking to help them through the stresses of modern life. You grew up in the 50's and 60's when everyone smoked...and you didn't. Just about sums you up I guess.

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    Dave Copeland

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Nice to see the smokers climbing further onto the high horse. Cannot stand criticism or accept the fact it is offensive to majority of people, the stench from a smoker is terrible, waste of time spending money on perfumes etc as it is fighting a losing battle. The old arguement of "smoked fifty a day and lived until they were 90" is hogwash, and they know it. One of my relatives worked at sea all his life and never drowned is about as sensible. Oh and we mustn't forget the tax they pay either! Wonder how much the Health Service would save if it didn't have to treat smokers? And I agree that there should be a charge if you need treatment, this should also apply to obesity and other self inflicted ailments, or take out insurance as most car drivers have to.

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    Mr T

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • At last someone with some sense I am a none smoker and we are not living in a Dictatorship country. Now what is the JPH going to do about the parking as the people living in the surrounding streets are sick fed up with hospital workers and visitors parking in the surrounding streets and making it hell for the residents who live in the streets.

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    Dave

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • hospitals should not encourage smoking.it is obscene. people blow smoke over me as they hover near my bus stop.It is only illegal to smoke in the bus shelter.

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    bookworm

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Staff have had their hours cut and some been stode off to save money, I suppose now some of that money will help pay to keep the smokers happy

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    loco

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Stephen Erskine and June Muskett.. as John Cleese famously once said.. 'Is this a piece of your brain'?...

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    Ramsey Soudah

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • @ Chas winfield. Your comments epitomises exactly what is wrong with society nowadays. "I will do what I want to do." Any thought of consideration for others doesn`t even enter their heads. I feel really sorry for the hospital staff who have to put up with the smell of tobacco smoke drifting into the hospital everytime the doors open. Having to walk through it is bad enough.

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    BG

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • More people die from diseases picked up in hospitals than from second hand smoke. The only two people in the world to have 120 candles on their birthday cakes were both lifelong smokers!

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    Dave Copeland

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Lung cancer is the 2nd most common cancer mainly caused by smoking, and every year 39,000 people are diagnosed with this disease. We live in a free society with freedom of choice and I respect peoples decisions, but is saddens me after losing both my in-laws to cancer (thus denying my son of both his grandparents) that smokers do not seem to see the bigger picture - the harm and heartache that it causes themselves and their extended families. (2nd hand smoke contains arsenic, benzene and cyanide can you really justify this awful habit?)

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    Queenie

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • To the one's on here who think it is right there is a reply to you. The hospital has a duty of care policy for the workforce and by them putting up the stench hut's, oop's sorry smoke hut's they are in breach of that policy.

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    loco

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • It is not against the law to smoke in open public areas. The hospital belongs to the public and it cannot stop anybody smoking in its grounds. By providing shelters people are less likely to smoke near entrances.

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    chas winfield

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • it angers me to see these dirty, disgusting, smelly people coming to my door to empty a rubbish bin and if my window is open the stench actually enters the house severely damaging my health and that of my children and visitors.surely these vile people should be stopped invading my space

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    Stephen Erskine

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • loco. I agree that hospitals owe a duty of care to its workforce. A nurse in Essex was murdered last year because she had to go offsite to smoke.

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    chas winfield

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Perhaps the money would be better spent on helping those who wish to give up smoking. 'Cynical' - As for sympathy towards smokers are we to expect a beer tent next for those with an alcahol addiction, or perhaps a sunbed so we can top up our tans etc, etc. As for the money 'put in to the system' it is well and trully used by those with addictions.

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    Queenie

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • I would like to elaborate on what Dave has said. We own our own bodies to do with what we want. Hospital staff are paid to do a job should anyone fall ill. What right is it of so called charities and_or hospital staff to tell us what we can or cannot do with our own bodies. They are paid to do a job, so do it !.

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    "V"

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • no mr t what is sickening is the fact that smokers are blamed for causing many fatal diseases and in particular sids, even though it is proven that there is no link except in the minds of the anti smoking zealots of course i am sad to hear about your loss but no one knows whether they would have died anyway as no one knows when that time will come. after all we all die at some time

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    Stephen Erskine

    Sunday, June 3, 2012

  • I am a smoker, but really what makes me glad to hear this is not my own situation, but the sight of patients, some in wheelchairs, some in night-clothes, some attached to drips etc, forced to stand in the carpark to smoke. It's ridiculous to expect someone who may have smoked for twenty, thirty years or more to just suddenly give up overnight due to a hospital admission. Maybe the shelters should be limited to those who've been admitted only, I don't know. I do understand the non-smoking PoV, but having seen some very fragile and elderly patients standing pathetically in the carpark (where technically they shouldn't smoke either), I think this is a humane move.

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    Tyke

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Second hand smoke may be an irritant and an annoyance, but it’s not a cause of death. There are no body bags filled with those who have developed tumors or heart disease as a result of second-hand smoke. The body bags are filled, however, with scientists and physicians who dare go against the anti-smoking lobby and state the obvious—that the science isn’t there. Dr T.Simpson MD, Surgeon, Scientist.

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    Dave Copeland

    Saturday, June 2, 2012

  • Stephen Erskine and June Muskett.. as John Cleese famously once said.. 'Is this a piece of your brain'?...

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    Ramsey Soudah

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • All those that have posted a comment that appear to have such a great medical knowledge. Please could you tell me why my mum of 68 years died of carcinomatosis (cancer) and my mother in law of 67 years died of a cerebral vascular accident ( Stroke ) because niether of them smoked in their relatively short lives.

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    Essex Girl

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • @ Dave - The problem with people parking in the streets is because they do not want to pay to park their vehicles in the JPH car park. With regard to the smokers. Quite why the hospital has given in I don`t know. Providing smoking huts is only encouraging a habit which everyone and their dog knows is injurious to ones health. I can fully understand the need to get these selfish individuals, who stand puffing away on their fags as if their lives depended on it away from the entrance to the hospital; but would a better tact not to have been to have lobbied the government for a change in the law which would enable the hospital to have an enforceable ban on smoking anywhere on the site.

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    BG

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • The hospital has a duty of care foe everyone. Full Stop.

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    cynical

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • There are no Laws stating that it is illegal to smoke in the grounds or car parks of any NHS hospitals.

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    jane

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Essex Girl.....the sad thing is, the millions of pounds spent by the zealots in tobacco control to continue their demonisation of smokers, could have been spent on proper scientific studies to find the true causes of cancer, to smokers AND non-smokers. I was absolutely disgusted to find out that Cancer Research UK actually gives money to political lobby groups such as ASH, to help fund their ongoing hate campaign against a significant minority of the population. It's no wonder that as smoking rates rapidly decline, lung cance and asthma r rates soar.

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    Dave Copeland

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • Hands up anyone who believes for one minute these people will stop smoking outside the main entrance and go instead to a shelter to indulge their habit. A well intentioned idea that won`t solve the problem.

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    BG

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • I absolutely detest the habit of smoking, but it is a no-brainer decision to make this move. Norfolk Link is out of touch with reality, not to mention lacking common sense to believe that not providing shelters will have any effect on changing the habits of smokers or to encourage more to start. A prime example of an organisation only seeing the angle that they want to see. At least sensibly positioned shelters will ensure that others will not have to be exposed to the smoke.

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    AE

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • All these comments have been fantastic reading material,now I feel compelled to start smoking to see the benefits!

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    wes1975

    Friday, June 1, 2012

  • Yes install places where people can smoke away from the hospital. When they did away with the shelters that was when people started smoking outside the main doors which is what causes all the complaints. Shelters away from the hospital entrance can only be a good idea and common sense. The nurses and doctors are in the same predicament ( yes some of the staff smoke too) and end up on the cycle path near the hospital which isnt fair on them or the local people. There is a big area of land at the JPH so Im sure they can allocate an area where it wont interfere with anyone. And for the non smokers - well they dont have to go anywhere near the shelter do they

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    Mrs Meldrew

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • In terms of treatment costs alone, and using ‘guesstimated’ figures, does anyone know the difference in cost of treatment of a smoker who dies at 60 with lung disease having had treatment for a year and a non-smoker who dies at 90 having had nursing care for 10 years? I’d rather use other means than financial ones so would a teacher who has changed the lives of hundreds of young people for the better and has inspired them but has had a smoking habit to cope with the stress be disgusting and not worthy of treatment whereas a non-smoker who has lived on benefits and made no effort to find employment should be? Or should someone who has contributed greatly to the economy as a businessperson but had a drink problem on account of the stress involved also not be worthy and be disgusting? I could think of many more examples and thankfully the overwhelming majority of the medical professions are non-judgemental. What really disgusts me more than any of these life choices is the self-righteous priggery that is evident in some of these comments. However perhaps I should be proud that there are so many perfect people in Norfolk – I think not!

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    Thoreauwasright

    Friday, June 1, 2012

  • The smokers really are grasping at straws here, smell of perfume being offensive!! get real, anyone ever been ill through passive perfume inhalation? All complaining about cars and no doubt most of them drive. Anyone with a level of intelligence knows the dangers of smoking but the smoking bigots are happy to inflict thier disgusting habit on everyone else, a case of well I enjoy it so you lot can put up with it. It is not illegal to smoke in public but it should be illegal to inflict your misery on others.

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    Mr T

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • i am a smoker, and my taxes pay toward OUR hospital, i pay my tax for my cigarettes, and i have a right to smoke if i wish!!, i wouldn't dream of smoking INSIDE the hospital, but feel that i have the right to smoke in the OPEN AIR!!..all you nazi t"*!s above can stop driving your cars and forcing me to breath in YOUR smelly carbon monoxide!!, is that good enough for you jumped up little hitlers?......get a life! bunch of whinging gits! use your energy to complain about something worthwhile..

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    Joe Ross

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • It angers me so much when i actually see someone attached to a drip standing outside with a cigarette.....DISGUSTING.

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    tiggy123

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Just move it away from tthe doors, I think it's disgusting that smokers aren't considerate to non smokers who want to go out for some fresh air, after being bed ridden 3 days all people want is that gasp of fresh air and end up choking on smoke. Especially wrong that I had to take my newborn through it, If people want to smoke, fine, but please with consideration! I'm glad they're bringing in smoke shelters, but there should be a penalty enforced for people who smoke by the doors. If you're well enough to smoke you're well enough to go an extra few steps to a shelter =)

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    Skydi Thompson

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • In these times there are surely better things to spend money on than smoking shelters for people who cant or wont stop smoking.Its a horrible,disgusting filthy habit and in my personal opinion should only be allowed in peoples own homes, nowhere in public places at all. I am fed up if i want to sit outside a resturant pub or cafe in this lovely weather weve had recently i cant unless i want to be poluted with someones disgusting cigarette smoke. It looks horrible outside a hospital and it should be not allowed at all. I have never understood what people see in it,and i grew jup in 50s and 60s when everyone smoked,i was one of few who didnt. My dad was a non smoker and lived to 98 with all his marbles, sadly many friends of mine lost their fathers in their 60s to lung cancer so lets have less of this it doesent necessarily do you any harm, of course it does.

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    june muskett

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Mr T...You say smoking is offensive to the majority of people?...Before the ban, my local social club had a non-smoking room (the snug) which was always EMPTY. The only people who find it offensive are those who are gullible enough to be taken in by the hysterical anti-smoking propaganda...such as your good self. You then say that you wonder how much the Health Service would save if it didn't have to treat smokers?..."Smoking related diseases" includes nonsmokers who die of bronchitis or strokes, and smokers who die of heart attacks in their 90s. It includes people who quit smoking decades before. It is not exactly lying, but it is deliberately misleading, it is fearmongering, and in my opinion these people should be ashamed of themselves. The cost to treat these "smokers" is £2.5 billion per year. Smokers pay £10.5 billion a year...you do the maths. Smokers more than pay their way...and also foot the bill for millions of non-smokers as well. Your vitriol continues with "there should be a charge if you need treatment, this should also apply to obesity and other self inflicted ailments"....Other self inflicted ailments??? Think about this for a minute. Just about every disease you can think of could be said to be ‘self-inflicted’. What about AIDS? What about people who have heart attacks while jogging? This argument can be extended ad infinitum, and indeed this is already happening, with people being discriminated against for being overweight, and health authorities seeking more power to enforce what they consider to be healthy lifestyles, and to actually withhold treatment from those who don’t comply. You really need to polish up your halo of self-righteousness.

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    Dave Copeland

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • I think you will find a lot of staff smoke too!!!!

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    raspberryripple

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • In these times there are surely better things to spend money on than smoking shelters for people who cant or wont stop smoking.Its a horrible,disgusting filthy habit and in my personal opinion should only be allowed in peoples own homes, nowhere in public places at all. I am fed up if i want to sit outside a resturant pub or cafe in this lovely weather weve had recently i cant unless i want to be poluted with someones disgusting cigarette smoke. It looks horrible outside a hospital and it should be not allowed at all. I have never understood what people see in it,and i grew jup in 50s and 60s when everyone smoked,i was one of few who didnt. My dad was a non smoker and lived to 98 with all his marbles, sadly many friends of mine lost their fathers in their 60s to lung cancer so lets have less of this it doesent necessarily do you any harm, of course it does.

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    june muskett

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • I am a smoker, but really what makes me glad to hear this is not my own situation, but the sight of patients, some in wheelchairs, some in night-clothes, some attached to drips etc, forced to stand in the carpark to smoke. It's ridiculous to expect someone who may have smoked for twenty, thirty years or more to just suddenly give up overnight due to a hospital admission. Maybe the shelters should be limited to those who've been admitted only, I don't know. I do understand the non-smoking PoV, but having seen some very fragile and elderly patients standing pathetically in the carpark (where technically they shouldn't smoke either), I think this is a humane move.

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    Tyke

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Ameedog, quite right. But lets extend that theory to people who over eat, have a car accident through negligence or speeding, pregnant women etc. After all they are all lifestyle choices or the result of things happening when we should know better. Now that would cut down on waiting lists.

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    smithrob

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • I think they should go further and have a room indoors. How can it be considered acceptable for patients who are ill to be put outside in the weather we have here and lets not forget the amount of money put into the system by smokers.

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    cynical

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • its amazing how anti smokers "choke" at the slightest hint of tobacco smoke yet smokers and tolerant non smokers are not affected .yes the majority of non smokers are tolerant. admit it we all know that forced cough thing

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    Stephen Erskine

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • apology accepted ramsey it was just a piece of sarcasm being a lifelong smoker and proud of it . i find that smoking has the additional benefit of making me very tolerant and laid back unlike our friends in the anti camp .you never hear me using words like anger,outrage ,or the like so much anger cannot be good for your health

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    Stephen Erskine

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • ...and another thing June. Next time you have the misfortune to land up in hospital, just remember that it's likely to be smokers' taxes that will pay for your treatment.

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    Dave Copeland

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • I think that if patients can't help themselves by stopping smoking why should hospitals waste time and money treating them. They obviously don't want to be helped if they don't stop.

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    Ameedog

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Skydi Thompson you walked through the smokers outside the door at JPH with your new born. Are you going to be using a pushchair or pram for your newborn when you go out. Just think of all the car and lorry exhaust fumes you will be exposing your newborn to. Yes I am a smoker and it is legal. I pay excessive tax by my choice of smoking, of which a great percentage of that tax funds the NHS. Several years ago under the Tories an extra 25p per pack (on top of the usual budget increase) was imposed to fund the cost of us smokers on the NHS. Raspberry Ripple and Mrs Meldrew you are both right when you say that doctors, nurses and other health professionals are smokers too. We supposedly live in a tolerant society, where freedom of choice should be respected.

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    Essex Girl

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • It makes sense. I don't smoke and have visited the JPH various times over the past few years. Each time I do so even though there's tons of signs asking people not to smoke and saying it's banned, it's IMPOSSIBLE to walk in through the main entrance without ending up stinking of smoke due to all the smokers ignoring this. Nothing can be realistically done about this unless they employ a full time member of staff to force smokers to put their fags out, and then I suspect that in many occasions it would lead to the police being called. It was around 3 weeks ago I was last there, while waiting for a life, I filled in a hospital survey. A question like "did you find the hospital welcoming", I responded along the lines of "no, being not able to enter the building without getting smoke blown all over me, why not do us all a favour and simply build them a shelter so the entrance is smoke free" Almost looks like they listened to my survey :)

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    Ojustaboo

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • As a hospital it should not do anything to encourage smoking within the confines of the grounds. Smoking is like loud music, just because you enjoy it there is no need to inflict it on anyone else. There is enough evidence, and deaths every year to prove the effects of smoking, increase taxes to such a rediculous level so it is in line with fuel prices. Packet of fags should be at least £10.

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    Mr T

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • A big thumbs up to the JPH!! It's about time common sense was used regarding smoking shelters in hospitals. Regardless of what the self-righteous anti-smoking bigots think, smoking is perfectly legal and enjoyed by millions of people. If you don't like the smell of my smoke, tough. I may not like the smell of your perfume, or your body odour, but tolerance is a great virtue, sadly lacking in a lot of people these days.

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    Dave Copeland

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Being in a hospital is a stressful time, for a smoker being deprived of a release valve only increases the stress.

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    Booly Ol' Man Luttman

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Excellent news as it will free the main entrance to the hospital of dirty smokers in dressing gowns.It's looks disgusting and smells disgusting....But will it work?

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    wes1975

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • You say hospitals should not waste money on smokers treatment well neither should they waste money on wino's sorry wine drinkers who get liver diseases!!

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    raspberryripple

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • i have never heard of anyone being harmed by inhaling so called second hand smoke.if it is as toxic as mr t surmises i should have been dead many years ago i have smoked since the age of 12 am now nearly 60 and have never cost the nhs a penny. no doubt you will say i have been lucky.i would argue that anyone who dies of what you class as a smoking related (probably any disease) is simply unlucky and would have died anyway after all life itself is a terminal disease and nobody knows at what age we will die some die young some die old so there is no way of knowing whether one has died before their time

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    Stephen Erskine

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • an awful lot of halo,s on here giving a one sided opinion it is supposed to be a free country (debatable?) the smokers pay an awful lot of taxes to smoke the same as car drivers pay a lot of taxes to own-drive a car oh yes drinkers also pay a lot of taxes to drink? everybody has an opinion but dont try and force it onto somebody else who also lives in this free country of ours i cant stand the smell of over splashing of perfume or scent but i never say anything its a free country

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    i am mostly wrong??

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Hospital staff can be disiplined for smoking anywhere on site, but the hospital should have a duty of care to its staff. Last year an Essex nurse was murdered when she went offsite for a smoke.

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    chas winfield

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Mr T...You say smoking is offensive to the majority of people?...Before the ban, my local social club had a non-smoking room (the snug) which was always EMPTY. The only people who find it offensive are those who are gullible enough to be taken in by the hysterical anti-smoking propaganda...such as your good self. You then say that you wonder how much the Health Service would save if it didn't have to treat smokers?..."Smoking related diseases" includes nonsmokers who die of bronchitis or strokes, and smokers who die of heart attacks in their 90s. It includes people who quit smoking decades before. It is not exactly lying, but it is deliberately misleading, it is fearmongering, and in my opinion these people should be ashamed of themselves. The cost to treat these "smokers" is £2.5 billion per year. Smokers pay £10.5 billion a year...you do the maths. Smokers more than pay their way...and also foot the bill for millions of non-smokers as well. Your vitriol continues with "there should be a charge if you need treatment, this should also apply to obesity and other self inflicted ailments"....Other self inflicted ailments??? Think about this for a minute. Just about every disease you can think of could be said to be ‘self-inflicted’. What about AIDS? What about people who have heart attacks while jogging? This argument can be extended ad infinitum, and indeed this is already happening, with people being discriminated against for being overweight, and health authorities seeking more power to enforce what they consider to be healthy lifestyles, and to actually withhold treatment from those who don’t comply. You really need to polish up your halo of self-righteousness.

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    Dave Copeland

    Thursday, May 31, 2012

  • in reply to wes1975 could he please explain why smokers are dirty i smoke and every morning shower and wear clean clothes.. personally i hate the smell of garlic it makes me feel sick but i would not call anyone who eats it dirty or call for it to be banned

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    Stephen Erskine

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • In these times there are surely better things to spend money on than smoking shelters for people who cant or wont stop smoking.Its a horrible,disgusting filthy habit and in my personal opinion should only be allowed in peoples own homes, nowhere in public places at all. I am fed up if i want to sit outside a resturant pub or cafe in this lovely weather weve had recently i cant unless i want to be poluted with someones disgusting cigarette smoke. It looks horrible outside a hospital and it should be not allowed at all. I have never understood what people see in it,and i grew jup in 50s and 60s when everyone smoked,i was one of few who didnt. My dad was a non smoker and lived to 98 with all his marbles, sadly many friends of mine lost their fathers in their 60s to lung cancer so lets have less of this it doesent necessarily do you any harm, of course it does.

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    june muskett

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • Sorry Loco. I forgot to mention that I am an ex smoker. Apologies

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    "V"

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • no evidence mr t just opinion. by your logic if no one smoked no one would die ever

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    Stephen Erskine

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • Apologies Stephen Erskine I didn't mean to put your name in there.. it was someone else I can't bloody find again now.. My apologies.. ;-)

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    Ramsey Soudah

    Wednesday, May 30, 2012

  • I agree that smoke hut's should be installed but down by the main road that way I do not have to walk through a barrage of smoke when I enter the building by these inconsiderate people. I have seen many out there who have chest and breathing problem's but they still go out for their fag making their problem worse but then expect to be treated. As for "V" comment yes it is your own body but you still have no right to conterminate mine with your habit. Hospital staff are paid to do a job but that is to help make patient's better no encourage them to make their illness worse. I am just glad that there is one certain porter there who is not afraid to go and tell these people to move away from the door's which is what should have happened in the first place then this would not have got out of hand. Read up on passive smoking and you might get a shock. These people should start thinking about the damage they are doing to other or is this just a carry on for the selfish nation we have become.

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    loco

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

  • If I am in the company of non-smokers I will be respectful of their choice and I have the decency to persue my legal choice away from them. As a ex NHS employee, I have seen many NON-SMOKING young fit people die of a myocardial infarction. During the early 1980s smoking was still allowed at the bedside in the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, between certain times of the day. It is really quite surprising that private hospitals have a different outlook and have made the entrance facilities welcoming for both smokers and non-smokers alike.

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    Essex Girl

    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

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