Facebook appeal for blackspot action after man killed on A47 at Scarning, near Dereham

Police on the scene of an RTA at the A47 near Draytonhall Lane. Picture: Matthew Usher. Police on the scene of an RTA at the A47 near Draytonhall Lane. Picture: Matthew Usher.

Friday, May 17, 2013
5:55 PM

Nearly 3,000 people have supported a Facebook campaign demanding safety improvements on the A47 near Dereham set up after the latest fatal crash.

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Police on the scene of an RTA at the A47 near Draytonhall Lane. Picture: Matthew Usher.Police on the scene of an RTA at the A47 near Draytonhall Lane. Picture: Matthew Usher.

Emma Rose, a 22-year-old from Toftwood who commutes on the road, created the Make the A47, Dereham Safer page after Thursday’s collision between a car and a lorry killed a 69-year-old man from Norwich.

The man, who was in a silver Ford Focus, died at the scene, while the driver of the 7.5-tonne lorry was treated for a suspected hand injury and taken to the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital for treatment.

Police have not released the dead man’s name.

Emma said: “I was at work when I heard about the crash. I use the road every day to get to and from work as well as my family and friends.

Police diversion near the scene of the fatal collision on the A47 at Scarning, DerehamPolice diversion near the scene of the fatal collision on the A47 at Scarning, Dereham

“Every time there’s a collision we say they need to some something with the road and I just thought there’s no point me sitting here saying something about it, so why don’t I do something about it, so I thought a good place to start would be a Facebook campaign.

“Some people have said it’s only Facebook, why don’t you do something proper, but within 24 hours I have got nearly 3,000 people and five different people have posted on the site they have been involved in accidents, some of them fatal, and people are messaging me if they can help with ideas.

“Something needs to be done about that stretch of road now.

“I just want to get something done about it. People are fed up with these accidents happening and they are starting to think ‘I use this road and what if it happens to me’.

“We need to keep campaigning, get some petitions going and get them to the members of parliament and get them down to Downing Street.”

She said she has a petition on a government website pending.

Police were called to the scene, on the Swaffham-bound carriageway between the end of the dualled section of the A47 and the junction with Draytonhall Lane near Scarning, at 2.52pm.

Police said the car was travelling toward King’s Lynn from the Dereham direction when it was in collision with the lorry, which was coming from the other direction.

The road was closed until after midnight in both directions between Draytonhall Lane and the junction near Dereham Tesco, to allow emergency services to carry out their investigations and clear the scene.

Mid Norfolk MP George Freeman, whose constituency includes this section of the A47, said: “I contacted Stephen Hammond (roads minister) before Easter when we had that spate of crashes. The A47 Alliance have already been to see him and laid out the case for the A47. Before Easter I went have to see him. He has heard all the arguments and is very receptive, but I asked him to come up and we are

“I haven’t heard the details of the latest incident, we need to wait for the report. There are bottlenecks where there are dangerous junctions and it goes from duelling to non duelling, but we need to wait and see what the details of this incident were.”

Thursday’s crash follows a series of fatalities on the A47 around Dereham since Christmas, which led to renewed calls for the road to be dualled.

The collision happened close to the scene of a Valentine’s Day collision which killed Kim Utting, a 52-year-old mother of three from Litcham, and injured her daughter. A third man was treated for serious injuries at Addenbrooke’s Hospital.

Husband and wife John and Patricia Knight from Aylestone, near Leicester, died after a crash on the A47 at Wendling on Christmas Eve, while Bridget Walker, from Norwich, who was also injured, died three weeks later.

Billie-Jean Roberts and her daughter Annie Huizar were killed in a crash on the road at Hockering on March 9.

Roads policing officers would like to hear from anyone who believes they may have seen the collision.

Call Insp Chris Brooks at the Serious Collision Investigation Team at Norfolk police on 101.

*Among the Facebook messages are:

- Wayne Cross: “I’m glad you started this page. Let’s hope they actually realise there’s a problem and it needs addressing. Because 3000 other people do!”

- Andrea Reed: “As a mother whose son was killed on the A47 I think this a good idea. My son was killed at the Honingham junction and after doing a petition and going to Number Ten a roundabout was made. There are queues there and it is annoying but it’s been eight years since David was killed and nobody else has died there.

- Michaela Spellacy-Toon: “This is something that has got people’s blood boiling. I was involved in a fatal accident near Hockering seven years ago and lost my son and my husband. This road is lethal. Something needs to be done about it. Someone has to listen. How many more people are going to die?

- Becky Alderton-Macleod: “I HATE living/driving along this road.”

- Mick Norman: “It should be dualled for the entire length. Car drivers get frustrated behind tractors and lorries restricted and overtake in dangerous situations.”

- Maria Blake: “Very sad yet another life lost here. A car over took us at the same place last week and nearly took out a car coming the other way. The road is not always the problem; perhaps the people who use it should be more careful.”

22 comments

  • I travel this road along with the A17 twice a week. Yes there is a problem with driver habits however, the design and layout will always attract hero overtaking maneuvers. Judgement is a major factor and a car or HGV coming at you head or side on at up to 60mph leaves the innocent and or or guilty little chance of avoiding the inevitable. There needs to be a re think from the highways agency IMMEDIATELY. A good start would be no overtaking zones and speed reduction equipment on every junction. These two (A47 & A17) are most frightening combination of roads I have ever used in my life bar none and I have traveled some in my years. God bless the latest poor victim and with hind sight, god bless the next ones.

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    Adrian Marsden

    Saturday, May 18, 2013

  • Footyboy16 You are correct. I am sick of seeing incompetent impatient drivers dive in front of me then brake hard just before a roundabout. We would be at fault if we hit them though. They drive a car and just see it as a form of transport from A to B. Today I was in a forty four ton HGV, a silver transit van taxi overtook an oncoming HGV and was confronted by me, she, yes it was a female driver had to slam her brakes on and dive back in behind the HGV I had to swerve and brake hard. A woman on the her damn mobile phone in Diss failed to indicate and had to swerve to miss me after she came through the lights on red. How many of you KNOW the national speed Limit? For cars its 60mph NOT 50mph as some seem to think. HGV's are restricted to the speed limit of 40mph on a normal A road. That causes problems as cars want to overtake. Next time you are annoyed at an HGV creeping along at 40mph remember he's doing the victorian speed limit for that vehicle. Far too many people are involved in accidents because of their incompetence, they selfishly pull out of a junction without any consideration for other drivers already on the road. The sad fact is its not just them that are punished for their stupidity.

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    GSXR

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • "Musicman" Totally agree, and do apologise a 7.5t lorry can be driven on a car licence, I will tell you a little story and some people won't believe it, I obtained my HGV licence through being a frontline driver for Norfolk Fire Service driving fire appliances. this is a few years ago now and which I don't do now, but I was driving the appliance one day along a single carriageway A class road with blue lights and sirens going on the way to an RTA and we had cars overtaking us, because apparently we were going to slow for them, eventually we reached the RTA on this road and all who had overtaken us were left waiting in the queue behind the RTA so all these cars drivers who overtook us got nowhere.. I have since driven many types of lorries all over the country and witnessed similar situations on a regular basis.

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    Footyboy16

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • As a so called 'Trunk Road', it is a disgrace. The section between Dereham and Wendling is a patchwork of very poor repairs. I sometimes think we live in a Third World country - certainly the government have no interest in this part of the country - very poor infrastructure and MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when they want our votes.

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    Tractorboy

    Saturday, May 18, 2013

  • Good to see that Daisy Roots, our expert, has plenty to say and actually hits on a couple of important points although they are almost hidden in a verbose comment. " ... mistakes when there are impatient motorists... " & ".. motorists speed to overtake .." suggest that you are realising that it is the DRIVERS who are dangerous. Impatient and speeding motorists should not be out on the roads .. that only leads to lack of consideration for better road users and then to potentially lethal incidents.

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    Patrick

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • Suggestion to editor; it would be interesting to know of the number of accidents that have occurred at this location in the last yearthree years and what steps if any have been takenare under consideration to identify the main causes of the incidents and to attempt to minimise future occurrences. Nice little exercise for a budding columnist!!

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    Dictate

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • When you have used the road on a regular basis since it was opened and have also been affected by a death on the road one takes it pretty seriously Patrick.There is no point in blaming bad driving alone-roads have to be designed to cut the risk of accidents however they are caused otherwise the innocent will still be killed.We cannot guarantee that everyone will drive like a vicar so we need to have roads good enough for the traffic volume, safe junctions and other safety measures in place. The A47 is unsafe in places.

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    Daisy Roots

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • Quick George, get in there before this Toftwood girl upstages you with her Facebook campaign, and there he is, trying to appear like a man of action. What a nauseating opportunist. Can't see anything from Chloe though, what's up?

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • Email already sent to George Freeman, george.freeman.mp@parliament.uk . I suggest everyone does the same.

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    Steven Miller

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • Get Tina King to sort the problem out, she's got a lot to say on the Norfolk Police facebook page. another way is to put bollards down the centre white line to stop overtaking, but thats abit drastic and would never happen..

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    Footyboy16

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • Why are speed cameras put at spots where they are likely to catch speeding drivers but not at known black spots like this? Surely then they could be used to reduce death and injuries on our roads instead of acting as money boxes.

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    Cromersimpson

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • @daisy roots. The collosion that occured yesterday was not at the draytonhall lane junction but further along the a47 towards norwich, the police only closed the road at Draytonhall lane. Yes this junction has its problems but this was not the reason for yesterdays incident and has not had a fatal incident for a long time. Although we don not know the reasons for this latest incident its not the roads fault, its down to the drivers and unfortunately its normally an innocent, law abiding driver who comes off worst and we have another family mourning the loss of a lost one

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    norfolkandgood

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • Yet another car and lorry accident, its an every day occurance, this will continue to happen until car drivers understand the workings of a lorry, although a lorry travels at a lower speed they take longer to slow down, and are harder to drive, but every day you see cars drivers not giving enough room for a lorry, you notice this at roundabouts where cars try their hardest to beat the lorry to a roundabout and then pull in front and then jam their brakes on.. good luck because you have a lorry coming up behind you weighing anywhere between 18 and 40 tons and you are in a car weighing 1-2 tons and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to know who will come of worse.. but as yet this current acciddent no body knows what happened.

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    Footyboy16

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • There's nothing wrong with the roads, the problem is with the drivers who use them. Unfortunately bad drivers injure and kill good drivers by the way they drive, overtaking at unsuitable placesdangerous bends, talkingtexting on their mobile phones, chatting and not paying attention to the road etc.

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    colliebird

    Saturday, May 18, 2013

  • Not even the authorities take Highway safety seriously on this road. Hopkins and Moore installed their huge advertising hoarings on the A47 without planning permission, then when people complained they applied and were REFUSED permission on the grounds of Highway safety. Two months on they still refuse to remove them and the planning authorities seem unable to take action. Highway safety is imperative on this road - no more talk Mr Freeman - we need action and we need it now before more lives are lost. My sympathies are with the families.

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    Catty

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • i have to agree with footyboy on everything he said, PLUS i reckon a good population dont realise that hgv vehicle's are only permitted to do 40mph on single carriageways ........otbc

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    Colby Army!

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • Anyone who uses this road must have been amazed when the houses were built on Drayton Hall Lane and allowed access to the A47 and when NCC or the HIghways agency signed the route to Gressenhall and points north. A tiny country lane,no proper slip road and a bad junction Add to that the X1 buses and cars pulling in and out on the opposite side of the road accessing Toftwood. Instead of being a bypass of Dereham the road has been incorporated in the Dereham traffic management system. Just yards to the east are proper and safe slip roads but no doubt someone thought it a good idea to take north bound traffic away from Dereham town centre. If there is no room to extend the dual carriage way to Draytonhall Lane and put a roundabout in, the junction should be closed and the old A47 road should be used, with a roundabout at the Wendling end, to take some traffic to and from the north of Dereham. It is a former class A road and plenty wide enough. The accidents here are happening simply because the junction is bad in a bad place and allows no leeway for mistakes when there are impatient motorists. The proximity of the junction to the end of the dual carriageway (where motorists speed to over take so as not to get caught behind slow moving traffic all the way to Swaffham ) makes it even more dangerous. Only recently there was an accident at this spot involving a completely innocent motorist, resulting in a death, caught in an accident caused by a third party yet to be apprehended. If we can see the problem, why can't the people responsible for the road?

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    Daisy Roots

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • George Freeman was in the House on Tuesday at Treasury Questions , not to make the case for A47 improvements, but to read out a silly set-piece yah-boo question, sniping about Labour’s borrowings and union funding, for Greg Clark, Financial Secretary to sneer along to. Presumably one of the deep thinkers in his party prepared this for him; he is just one of the many little nobodies who take turns doing their bit for the party cause to get on TV. Two days later there is another tragic death on his watch. It will be a matter for grave concern if this pathetic excuse for a political lightweight is still an MP after the next General Election, because far from doing anything effective to resolve the problems of the A47 for his constituents it is evident he spends the vast majority of his time rooting for the GM foods lobby, for which he is handsomely rewarded. Beats doing boring old constituency work any day, what what.

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    Mr Cameron Isaliar

    Saturday, May 18, 2013

  • We must realise this is a dangerous stretch of road, it jumps up and causes innocent drivers to crash. Nothing at all to do with the standard of driving! Anyway it's OK now George freeman is on the job and he'll get his photograph in the paper yet again.

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    beverley

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • Dear EDP, before you write-up this tragedy for your paper tomorrow, please contact George Freeman MP for the usual cynical publicity opportunity. Perhaps you could give him the front-page again? He is never slow to cash in on an A47 tragedy, regardless of the circumstances or cause.

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    Police Commissioner ???

    Thursday, May 16, 2013

  • As an ex HGV driver based in Norwich ...I have had many 'near misses' on this part or the A47 motor bikes as well as cars. The road isn't dangerous.. It is the DRIVERS !!!.... With respect to footyboy a 7.5 tonner isn't a HGV. They are driven on a car licence, NOT by trained and tested proffesional drivers. My thoughts go out to the family at their loss at this time.

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    musicman

    Friday, May 17, 2013

  • @Footyboy, musicman, norfolkandgood = correct .. it's the drivers that need straightening out. @ beverley - so right, it's like the knives in my kitchen, they occasionally jump up and cut me, though not often. The danger of such things is in how they are used. @ Daisy Roots: I take it very seriously. For I know that one of those dangerous drivers could take out any one of the rest of us .. If the A47 were all dual carriageway, there would probably still be accidents; but take all the drivers off that road and you would cure the problem instantly. The greatest improvement to the A47 would be Better Driving.

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    Patrick

    Saturday, May 18, 2013

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