West Norfolk leaders to challenge county council on finances for proposed incinerator on land near King’s Lynn

Elizabeth Truss MP. Picture: Ian Burt Elizabeth Truss MP. Picture: Ian Burt

Thursday, January 30, 2014
4:54 PM

West Norfolk political leaders are set to challenge Norfolk County Council on its finances for the proposed incinerator plant on land near King’s Lynn.

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MPs Elizabeth Truss and Henry Bellingham and West Norfolk council leader Nick Daubney will discuss the incinerator at a press conference at the borough council officers in Chapel Street, King’s Lynn tomorrow.

The leaders have undertaken a study of the costs of the disposal of waste across the UK, and in continental Europe, and they plan to present a financial breakdown of the proposed waste to energy plant and other schemes available.

They will also be calling on the county council for financial clarity in relation to the proposed plant.

Last week it emerged that an alternative facility to the controversial incinerator had received a £100m boost.

Funding has been secured for the project which will see Chester-based company Material Works operate a plant in the West Norfolk area.

With funding secured work is set to start on a detailed planning application for the construction of the multi-million pound facility which will be lodged with Norfolk County Council.

The new self-contained plant will treat residual waste as a raw material resource and turn it into a usable end product.

However, David Harrison, cabinet member for environment, transport, development and waste, said: “I’m very sceptical about this latest development, given that this concept has already been around for about 18 months. A demonstrator project was reportedly meant to have been up and running in Norwich by April 2013 and there have not yet been any informal discussions with our planning officials.

“Aside from that, this project - which would use untried and untested technology at an as yet unknown site somewhere in west Norfolk - would need an Environmental Permit to operate and planning permission, from which a planning inquiry may flow. All of which takes time, as we know.

“For those reasons alone, this project is clearly many years away from becoming a reality, whereas The Willows is ‘shovel ready’ having passed a vigorous number of value for money tests and secured a permit to operate at a suitable site. We have today been told by Eric Pickles’ department that he is not yet in a position to make a decision on whether or not The Willows can proceed. We need a decision from Mr Pickles as a matter of urgency and it should be one made on planning grounds. The issue should not be confused by alternative technologies which may, or may not, come to fruition in the future.”

37 comments

  • Nice try Mr Harrison but as the PFI funding was withdrawn on the grounds that the Cory project was not needed as there are already adequate waste disposal schemes in existence, don't you think that fact is relevant? I just do not understand this obsession that NCC has with the incinerator project?

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    andy

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Cllr. Harrisson has now a golden opportunity to invite companies and their solutions to our specific waste needs for an open day at County Hall. He can also, without waiting, or delaying, any longer. He should enact the survey conclusions on enhanced landfill mining and open up another chapter, that of reinstating potentially hazardous sites and utilising the resources within them. There are British built plants, who are btested and working well, that can deal with the contaminated plastic deposits from landfill and turn them into usable gas for heating,cars, or electricity and a building material called plasmaroc. There are also other systems available, but we must reduce our immense landfill costs and deal with the possible water contamination by leachates, methane and CO2 issues that arise, to finally resinstate them to woodland or local amenities. This survey was supposed to be revisited, with a view to finding out the contents of our waste sites and grade their volumnes and composition with a view to mining them, since then nothing has happened, we are still creating more landfill and its expensive, some 3 million per annum.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • New kid on the block Harrison would know a great deaL more about his subject if he had turned up to the various presentations and the enquiry, however, he like others takes the money and does the bidding. Not an original thought in his head...

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    maryjane

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • Didn't see Prof. Miles.Radcliffe at the enquiry giving his valued opinion. Cannot find him on any search engine either. Surely not another fictitious name from the Downham Dinosaur.

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    Sandy.L

    Monday, February 3, 2014

  • Re the Suffolk CC article thread that had now been curtailed. Just for D. Please read my last comment again. You have misinterpreted its meaning. As far as I know, nothing has changed.

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    democrat

    Wednesday, February 5, 2014

  • Its no wonder all at NCC have their shovels at the ready, they've already been digging a hole for themselves... If NCC feels the need to knock a recycling scheme before its precious incinerator is built, then how many more recycling incentives will be nobbled over the next 25 years to ensure this overpriced and over specified (put or pay) incinerator contract is fulfilled? What happened to the Waste Hierarchy? This isn't just about the environment (a worthy cause alone), its also about OUR money going up in smoke!

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    Kadmos

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • Might I re-iterate -Dr. Barrington Smythe (most likely an alias) was a Russian spy working undercover in London...

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    Sandy.L

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • New kid on the block Harrison would know a great deaL more about his subject if he had turned up to the various presentations and the enquiry, however, he like others takes the money and does the bidding. Not an original thought in his head...

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    maryjane

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • Financial clarity from Norfolk CC????????

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    democrat

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • The new process under discussion favoured by Bellingham & Truss could prove to be highly toxic. Local people have not been informed of the potential dangers. This may well prove to be very damaging to their political careers. They should have been advised better before becoming involved. Very brave of both of them I would say.

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    Dr Barrington-Smythe

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • Couldn`t resist it. D, you don`t know as much as you might think.

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    democrat

    Tuesday, February 4, 2014

  • Young Ms Truss never had many friends at County level and even less now. Her new alliance with West Norfolk's very own Mr Burns will prove costly indeed.

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    Jack Bantoft

    Tuesday, February 4, 2014

  • So why will the compensation rise by £5m to £31m if the decision isn't made by 1st May? An why was this not pointed out to councillors before they voted in October. I don't remember seeing it either in the QC's report.

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    Bikerboy

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Burning is jolly good idea and I am thinking best way to get rid of plenty instead of digging big holes isn't it.

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    Mr Raj Patel

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • As I have said in numerous articles over some time the atmospheric particle loss after the filtering system used is minimal. The filtering process is such that any potential harmful effects have been negated to a degree almost too infinitesimal to measure unless one deals with the microscopic end of the scale. What has been developed here is an efficient system of waste disposal that has benefited from earlier lessons and has given rise to a solution that is beneficial on every front. This system could be built without and adverse effect on an environmental level.

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    Professor Miles Radcliffe

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • I note that 'we are where we are' Harrison is repeating his only three sentences again.

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    maryjane

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Government departments are getting mixed messages about consensus when the leader “admitted he always had doubts about it”!!!??? BBC NEWS Norfolk 8th May 2013. "Conservative Derrick Murphy, who stood down in January after publicly supporting the project, admitted he had always had doubts about it"

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    Interpol

    Tuesday, February 4, 2014

  • The financial reports are all open, perfect and correct in every detail. More time wasting by these publicity hungry MPs...........yawn.

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    Mad Dog

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Maryjane, someone showed me the last Cabinet questions and you can tell from Harrison's responses that he isn't even bright enough to understand the question never mind answer them. His predecessor Borat answered every question with the incinerator would save £200m, it must be a prerequisite of the Cabinet position.

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    Honest John

    Sunday, February 2, 2014

  • Ideal place for MaterialWorks plant would be to merge it with the recycling centre and build on land adjacent to the motorbike shop!

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    Interpol

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • Why are the EDP not publishing comments?

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    Bikerboy

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • You haven`t been away from this forum D and I have never smoked, so I don`t need a cigar.

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    democrat

    Tuesday, February 4, 2014

  • Eric Pickles at Great Yarmouth 31st January 2014 on the subject of planning consent for an incinerator at King‘s Lynn; “I’ll be taking the decision and I’ll be taking it free from any political influence,” he said. “I will judge it purely on the merits of planning as it is, as you can imagine, very complicated and very technical, and I’m making sure I understand every aspect of the technical nature of the decision I’m going to make. I’ll make it when I’m confident that the decision is a good one.” Democrat on the same subject (4 days earlier) Monday, January 27, 2014 “Just for D. I`ve already told you Pickles has made his decision. I am not wise. Just in the know“ - Really ? Sounds more like just in a dream. Any more gems like that ?

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    Del Boy

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Dr Barrington you know you shouldn't make comments like that, you have not seen any proof either way. Defra will sort that issue and it's steam not smoke unlike the other thing. Things like material works have come a long way and to get there own private fund says a lot. On another note when did Cllr Castle become an expert??

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    Sweet cheeks

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • I wonder if it's possible for one local Authority to lodge a Compulsory Purchase Order against another one under such circumstances? Saddlebow would make a far better site for MaterialWorks with 90% recycling rate than it ever would for a toxic incinerator....

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    User Removed

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • Tomorrow will be interesting in view of the discovery that from 1st May CW stand to gain another 5 million in compensation. Beggars the question why Timmins and the cabinet kept quiet about that when they scaremongered uninformed but descent cllrs into accepting the RPP because allegedly to reject it would mean bankrupting Norfolk public services. The government need to put this incompetentcouncil into special measures asap!

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    Canary Boy

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • Why will the compensation rise by £5m to £31m if they don't get a decision by 1st May?

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    Bikerboy

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Hiding under your ex's hedge with a pair of binoculars hardly counts as a holiday....

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    User Removed

    Tuesday, February 4, 2014

  • Well done Henry, Liz and Nick - what's not to like about the new scheme? True innovation once again trumps an American company that has had to pay out millions for pollution violations for their stone age and toxic technology!

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    Jeffs Wet Lettuce

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • Has anyone contemplated the political fallout if this blessed incinerator is eventually built? I strongly suspect the following: The divide between the West and the rest of Norfolk will never be reconciled. Voting habits will change as a direct consequence. The battle will continue to wage for as long as the thing is operational and probably long after. County Hall will deservingly continue to be subjected to decades of impecunity, humiliation, ridicule, embarrassment, turmoil and scandal. It will cost far, far more to shut the facility down once it gets running. The pressure will surely mount with the passage of time. In short, it is better to put the whole project out of our misery sooner than later.

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    Kadmos

    Wednesday, February 5, 2014

  • Hope that they remember that it was their Tory mates who mucked it all up since this Govt want to blame everybody but themselves !!

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    Sportswagon

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

  • Let's hope they bring up the small matter of the additional £5m compensation payment that GNobbs and co omitted to mention before the Full Council vote last October. Dear oh dear George, all this talk about Putting People First and honesty and transparency, not doing too well are you?

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    Honest John

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Same old same old it seems. Having returned from holiday I see Eric has been near but far at the same time and despite claims from one sad person on here of being “just in the know” and “decision made already” it seems our man from Westminster is in denial about all of that in his statement to the EDP dated 31st January. The real reason for the delay in matters is of course……………well if I know the answer then surely the other guy who is “just in the know” should be able to help the anti mob. Ha. You couldn’t make it up could you ? Nice try son but no cigar.

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    Dickens

    Monday, February 3, 2014

  • As I have said in numerous articles over some time the atmospheric particle loss after the filtering system used is minimal. The filtering process is such that any potential harmful effects have been negated to a degree almost too infinitesimal to measure unless one deals with the microscopic end of the scale. What has been developed here is an efficient system of waste disposal that has benefited from earlier lessons and has given rise to a solution that is beneficial on every front. This system could be built without and adverse effect on an environmental level.

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    Professor Miles Radcliffe

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • How different life would be with MBT. Life was good for councillors and the public before Cory Whelabrator landed on County Halls doorstep.

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    LynBin

    Wednesday, February 5, 2014

  • Norfolk County Council surely knew talking incinerator is a vote loser and a long and costly exercise. The ex leader was sceptical of the controversial planning application. BBC NEWS 8 May 2013 Last updated at 18:27 "Conservative Derrick Murphy, who stood down in January after publicly supporting the project, admitted he had always had doubts about it".

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    Alan Allan

    Sunday, February 2, 2014

  • Not as brave as someone who has already had their collar felt by the long arm of the law now devoting his time to making wild and unsubstantiated claims under a myriad of usernames on a public forum.... Do please tell us what your doctorate is in?

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    Shirley Stalker

    Thursday, January 30, 2014

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