An incinerator could still be built in Norfolk, if a public inquiry rules out controversial plans for an “energy from waste” plant on the outskirts of King’s Lynn.

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The disclosure from a senior county councillor came as it emerged that the inquiry into plans to build the burner at Saddlebow would begin in February, at a venue in King’s Lynn.

Norfolk County Council is expected to be hit with a bill of up to £20m if it breaks a contract with Cory Wheelabrator, the Anglo-US consortium chosen to build the plant.

But yesterday Bill Borrett, deputy leader and cabinet member for environment and waste, said under the deal, the authority could request a second incinerator proposal be put forward.

Mr Borrett said a new plan would be requested to secure “value for money to ratepayers”. He also told the council’s cabinet negotiations on a settlement with Cory Wheelabrator could only take place if this second idea also failed to receive permission.

Mr Borrett, responding to a question from Labour group leader George Nobbs, said: “In these types of contracts if a contractor has failed to secure planning permission or an environmental permit, then the county council can ask the contractor to propose an alternative plan in order for the contract to be fulfilled.

“It is only if this alternative plan is rejected by the county council, or it also fails, and the county council then abandons the contract, that it could have to pay some of the development costs incurred by the contractor, sub-contractors, funders and investors as laid out in the contract.

“It is not possible to give a figure as at present, as it is a hypothetical question.”

Mr Nobbs rubbished the suggestion the cash figure is a “hypothetical question” and quizzed Mr Borrett further, demanding to know who agreed to this deal.

Mr Borrett added: “I think it’s extremely unlikely given we are committed to providing value for money to ratepayers we wouldn’t pursue a further option with the contractor to come up with a proposal which would be suitable to the relevant authorities.

“If that alternative fails to receive permission there’s no sensible reason for pursuing any further agreement then the contract would be walked away from.

“The cost is hypothetical because until the figures are put forward and subject to negotiation by both parties and the final agreed schedule of what could be claimed by the contractors could be produced - it’s not an agreed cost.”

Mr Borrett said it was “highly unlikely” another location in Norfolk would be sought for an incinerator as it will be difficult to find a new site that is as “sound” for dealing with waste and transport links according to planning policies.

Instead, Mr Borrett said if a second proposal is required it is likely it will attempt to rectify the reasons for why the first was rejected.

Campaigners fighting county council proposals for the incinerator last night said they were not being given enough time to put their complex case together, after it emerged the inquiry would be held in February.

But a spokesman for the Planning Inspectorate said the inquiry would begin on February 26, provided a suitable venue could be found.

North West Norfolk MP Henry Bellingham said: “I have written to the Planning Inspectorate and to Eric Pickles, saying a later date would be wiser.

“The objectors need more time, they need to raise money and February, with the inclement weather is not the ideal time to hold it.

“It would be better if the county council sat down with the borough and worked out an agreed solution to this.

“I’m still confident when an independent inspector hears the evidence he will come down against this proposal. It’s outdated technology, in completely the wrong place.”

The inspectorate expects the inquiry to last for 20 days. The date means that it will be held before May’s local elections, when seats on the county council come up for election.

West Norfolk council leader Nick Daubney said: “I think there should have been a longer delay before the inquiry. I’m not sure how healthy it is to have a public inquiry before an election when one of the parties is up for election.

“I wish the inspector had put everything off until after the election, but I am delighted that there’s going to be a public inquiry.”

Campaigner Mike Knights said: “We would have liked to have had longer to prepare, it would help us to make our arguments better.”

A county council spokesman said: “It is not necessarily the opinion of the County Council that February would be early or late, if indeed planning inspector decides the inquiry will be held in February.”

Norfolk County Council voted to give planning permission for the plant at Saddlebow in June.

But Communities Secretary Eric Pickles’s office announced the decision was being called in, meaning there would be a full public inquiry.

Announcing the decision, officials said that more than 6,000 letters had been received in support of the call-in. They included one signed by all nine Norfolk MPs.

Norfolk County Council awarded the contract to build and operate the incinerator last year to Anglo-American consortium Cory Wheelabrator.

It said the plant was needed to prevent the county’s waste having to go to landfill, which would save taxpayers millions of pounds a year.

But campaigners claim there are health risks and there are cheaper and more environmentally-friendly methods of recycling our waste.

More than 65,000 people voted against the plant in a poll organised by West Norfolk council.

43 comments

  • Borrett really doesn't get it does he? Norfolk residents don't want incinerators and have repeatedly told NCC to go away and come up with another plan. Would it sound cynical if I wondered what sort of use these councillors would be to Cory Wheelabrator once they lose their seats in May, hence the rush for an inquiry beforehand? £££!

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    User Removed

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Having talked to an ex owner of a recycling plant, the distances the waste is supposed to travel is relevant. To move it from further than ten miles in any direction, would too inefficient and not cost effective, ideally , he said, Norfolk would need four incinerators to do the job. This Kings Lynn incinerator is one of many, the wedge in the door, and we are being kept in the dark. The inquiry will cost a lot of money and I urge everyone to support it,, this incinerator must not be built! welcome back Martin...

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Lots changed. The construction industry has now got their act together with machines that break up concrete and bricks. Many quarries are now preparing to stockpile this building material. There is no market for incinerator bottom ash. This will have a bearing on the incinerator industry especially when newer technology that recycles 98% contents of the black bin. There will be a shortage of household waste as it is now a valuable commodity. NCC will have to pay penalties to CW for not supplying enough. Best NCC can do if they have a fixation with burning is purchase an incinerator from ARGOS and burn records of ex West Norfolk councillors in the grounds of county after next Mays elections.

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    Alan Allan

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Best place to build the incinerator is close to where the few parish councils that supported it in the planning consultation or close to the Murphy’s new constituencies.

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    Choice

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Good to see Labour keeping digging into how these decisions have been made.It highlights just what a farce the Conservatives "localism" agenda has become.Cory,Eric Pickles and the Tory Turnip Talaban under Murphy are in fact in charge,not the people of Norfolk.The iron fist of oppression is alive and well in West Norfolk.

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    Peter Watson

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • which part of NO do Messrs Borrett, Murphy et al not understand?

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Silly Billy Borrett!! As for you Daisy Roots - we have been waiting for someone to make this daft statement and the incinerator is not welcome anywhere in Norfolk and the campaign will continue wherever. Other sites may be more suitable for various reasons but the incinerator is not suitable anywhere. We need different technology. Full Stop. End of Subject.

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Here it is - the list of councils who support the incinerator and who would therefore be overjoyed (their neighbours less so) to have it built near their homes: Brampton and Oxnead, Burston and Shimpling, Buxton with Lamas, Diss, Ditchingham, Great Dunham, Little Cressingham and Threxton, Stratton Strawless, Thorpe St Andrew and Wymondham. You thought we had forgotten didn't you? My money is on Thorpe St Andrew where the chairman, a County Councillor, was lavish in his praise of incineration and Wymondham, where the Tory Councillors can be relied on to do the wrong thing and who also had a County Councillor who has written several letters in praise of the incinerator. Yup, we've got copies of those too. Start packing everyone else.

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • February sounds good to me. With the talk of a second incinerator and the May elections looming will be meltdown for the Tory party.

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    Alan Allan

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Oi Honest John. This is their second shot at building an incinerator. Or has everyone forgotten about Costessey where the locals chased them off under the inspirational leadership of Tim East. Don't you think on that basis they would be going for Third Time Lucky?

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Ms Roots you are a bit rude about the people of the East of Norfolk are you not? You seem to have a very low opinion of your neighbours. I live in King's Lynn and we have a VERY LARGE migrant population, I did argue that NCC should provide translated versions of the application but of course got nowhere, if it comes your way perhaps you could take up that argument. As for your comments about 'the ill educated' shame on you, you obviously think you are a cut above ordinary folk. People from all walks of life have fought tooth and nail against the incinerator and all those, I am aware of, will continue to oppose the technology. It is very easy to use the NIMBY label but you must realise that people do not consider the implications of a development until it is likely to affect them, at that point they will look at what is planned and either accept it or oppose it. I did not oppose Palm Paper Mill, or Centrica B and I will not oppose Dr Palms CHP because I am not a NIMBY just someone who has done their research and decided that an incinerator is too dangerous to place in a populated area. Once I knew the dangers the technology poses I do not want them built anywhere at all, surprisingly not even on your doorstep! I do not understand why you are moaning when you claim to support the technology! if you are for it why on earth rant I am surprised you are not crowing from the rooftops about the 40 jobs it would bring to Yarmouth if that site is ever selected by CW. For the record I do not own a second home and I have not got a clue what the 'mass chattering class is'! Am I one of them?

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    Joy, King's Lynn

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • I do hope that NCC spies have seen the KLWNBC exhibition showing the new technology for treating waste in West Norfolk. They'll be really miffed that they didn't see it first! It has to be the way forward - no chimney, no toxic emissions, no hazardous bottom or fly ash and only half the cost of running an incinerator. Plus, the people are going to back it!! Sorted...

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    Sandy.L

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • Bellingham is so desperate to hang on to his seat after being removed from the front benches. He pushed for this planning call in and now he does not like the date because it might lose Tory votes. So what will he do next ? Ask the Planning Inspector to make it after the election and offer him a date that suits? He can also ask for an Inspector he has had earlier dealings with perhaps and while he is 'at it' he might just as well tell the Inspector what the outcome has to be. Can anyone smell a large rodent ?

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    Dickens

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • I quote above,..Mr Borrett, responding to a question from Labour group leader George Nobbs, said: “In these types of contracts if a contractor has failed to secure planning permission or an environmental permit, then the county council can ask the contractor to propose an alternative plan in order for the contract to be fulfilled."... WHY is it Cory Wheelabrator who will select an alternate plan or site? NCC purchased the land at Willows Business Park for an incinerator spending, 1.8 million of our money, Cory Wheelabrator allegedly had nothing to do with that. It also makes me laugh to read that if the contractor has failed to secure planning permission etc etc in my view it is NCC who sought planning permission for their incinerator with CW providing some technical assistance and the government providing millions of pounds of tax payers money to finance it. Nice to see Martin back online.

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    Joy, King's Lynn

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • DR, I'm not sure I follow you - you support incineration (and by proxy understand the environmental damage they do) but in the same post seem to be coming over all hypocrytical and NIMBYish yourself by quoting the problems that could be caused if an incinerator happened to be sited in the east of the county. You can't have it both ways now can you? It's obviously the wrong technology regardless of where it's put.

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    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • So this is what the new boss at the Yarmouth harbour meant by new jobs. Rubbish comes into the harbour gets burnt at the incinerator and the ash goes out from the harbour. No consideration, and they couldnt care less. about the health of the public though

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    "V"

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Ingo... Ich Dien :-)

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • John L Norton thank you very much... "rumours of my demise..." :-)

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    martin wallis

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • I was at the edmonton incinerator the other week,and the amount of smoke coming out of this thing was awful ,anyone who thinks this will be a positive thing for norfolk are living in a dreamworld.

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    Steve33

    Wednesday, October 10, 2012

  • Well done Cllr Borrett. You have now ensured that the Conservative Councillors who have not said a word against this monstrosity will all be in a very difficult position in the run up to the May election. While the inquiry may be held in February the decision is highly unlikely to be made prior to May. Unless the Planning Inspectorate are being pressured to dance to Cory Wheelabrators tune which is something I dont believe very likely!

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    Canary Boy

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Oi Honest John. This is their second shot at building an incinerator. Or has everyone forgotten about Costessey where the locals chased them off under the inspirational leadership of Tim East. Don't you think on that basis they would be going for Third Time Lucky?

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • I now eagerly await all the voices from West Norfolk who opposed the incinerator " on principle" ( of course you did...) being raised against an incinerator being built elsewhere. We all know where the incinerator will end up, at Yarmouth, where the huge number of migrants wont realise what is going on, the ill educated wont give a monkeys and there wont be the mass chattering class- -wealthy second homeowner-landowner objections as there are in West Norfolk. Of course the same risks that were meant to apply to Lynn and the Wash would actually affect a far larger urban population, including the outskirts of Lowestoft and Acle and maybe even Norwich( based on the extent Lynn campaigners claimed would be affected), and far more sites of scientific interest- Breydon Water, the Broads, Acle Marshes, Winterton Dune system etc. If the case the West Norfolk campaigners put forward was accurate the Broads are far more likely, given their fresh water, to be affected than the Wash or Roydon Common. I have always supported the principle of incineration and thought the Lynn campaign has always been based on NIMBYism and Daubner's political machinations. I will continue to support the principle of an incinerator for Norfolk, wherever it is built, but believe the best site was chosen economically and environmentally. And as I say, will wait to see all the regular names including Mr Knights opposing an incinerator and still raising their voices in the EDP .Otherwise they are all hypocrites.

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    Daisy Roots

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • It is crazy to simply burn all waste as the vast majority can be re-cycled and the biological waste used in bio-gas production. This will use less energy than remaking plastics and metal parts and components. To incinerate is child-like with today's myriad of technologies. Who's getting the brown envelopes to push this idiotic project through?

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    Alan Wilson

    Wednesday, October 10, 2012

  • Mr Borrett is quite right, it is highly unlikely Cory Wheelabrator would choose another location in Norfolk. CW chose King’s Lynn because of its proximity to other counties to take their waste, from which NCC gets a nice slice of profits, so Yarmouth will be quite safe. With this in mind one can’t help wondering if CW were involved years earlier when NCC bought the land at Saddlebow. Presumably as Mr Borrett and Co claim to be technology neutral and so interested in “value for money to ratepayers” they will be keeping up their pretence and out in force to see the New Waste Technology proposed by WNKLBC.

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    Honest John

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Oi Honest John. This is their second shot at building an incinerator. Or has everyone forgotten about Costessey where the locals chased them off under the inspirational leadership of Tim East. Don't you think on that basis they would be going for Third Time Lucky?

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Peter Watson you really are weak, you have to put in a pointless low blow just to make labour look good. Everybody should stick together like Kings Lynn Borough have done. This is serious NOT political.

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    Sweet cheeks

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Good grief 'Martin Wallis' has been resurrected.

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    John L Norton

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Oi Honest John. This is their second shot at building an incinerator. Or has everyone forgotten about Costessey where the locals chased them off under the inspirational leadership of Tim East. Don't you think on that basis they would be going for Third Time Lucky?

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Dickens you make a valid point. Henry Bellingham Nick Daubney and Brian Long implementing David Cameron’s localism bill which is written into their party manifesto. They serve the people and the people said they do not want an incinerator. The likes of Murphy Rockcliffe Langwade and Hutson will be history next May County elections.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • Good grief 'Martin Wallis' has been resurrected and there's me thinking he must be looking at the grass from the wrong side by now.

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    John L Norton

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Far from having suggested two or three incinerators, I merely pointed out that one is not sufficient and that the first one would be the wedge in the door for others to be built. At this point in time one has to expect people twisting words. Cllr. Borett on radio Norfolk yesterday, for the first time mentioned the possibility of a defeat. Why would he do this if it is not to calm their fellow Tories. Daisy Roots is also on damage control duties here, trying to lump Gt. Yarmouth with an incinerator. Norfolk's people have made a decision daisy and you know very well that incineration was never part of it. West Norfolk's alternative new process, cheaper than incineration, is already up and working, they say that it would be viable for all of Norfolk. If its given the go ahead, west Norfolk Independents will stand against Tory's and if Cllr.s Murphy and Borett pay out 20 million in compensation, they will stand against them for wasting our money, due to their inability to listen and act upon our wishes. Its was reduce, re-use, recycle, Daisy, and JCW, no I'm against polluting incineration.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Wednesday, October 10, 2012

  • I suspect NCC spies have seen the exhibition concerning new technology for treating waste at West Norfolk exhibitions last week. If a few more Districts Boroughs councils decide this is the way forward incineration is a none starter. Most parish councils rejected incineration on the planning consultation so there is no consensus anywhere in Norfolk. The only ones that supported most probably had influence from pro burner county councillors that attend parish their meetings.

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    Choice

    Wednesday, October 10, 2012

  • http:www.letsrecycle.comnewslatest-newswaste-managementveolia-urges-defra-to-back-food-waste-collections Veolia also calls for the government to introduce a tax on waste disposed of through incineration that does not meet the R1 Recovery Status and claims that energy-from-waste facilities that are subsidised but not meeting R1 criteria, are ‘rewarding disposal instead of recovery.’

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Wednesday, October 10, 2012

  • Great Yarmouth welcomes the incinerator.

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    John L Norton

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • How many Parish Councils eagerly supported the incinerator? Thorpe St Andrew, Wymondham.... All prime locations for an incinerator. Now let's see what the people of those areas think of the idea of a relocation of the burner? Something tells me that the conservatives are going to have a merry time next May trying to shrug this one off. The incinerator is now officially the business of the whole of Norfolk. All you nimbies who were happy to have it casting a poisonous pall over Kings Lynn can now try and explain why you dont want it near you. Or you can get rid of your Tory County Councillor, every single one of whom supported the incinerator, and put in someone who is willing to fight tooth and nail to prevent it happening in your area.

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    alecto

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • First class NIMBY. On the 16th March 2012 quote EDP24 William Nunn, Leader of Breckland Council, said: “I would be happy that the idea of putting an energy from waste plant near Snetterton is explored fully, provided it is proven that it is not detrimental to the communities and the businesses in that area.

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    Knee deep In Toxic ash

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Do not forget how devious some county hall staff are. NCC legal department would have been corresponding with Cory Wheelabrator since day one to discredit hard working residents of West Norfolk. I assume this correspondence will be available through the freedom of information act. It is totally unacceptable that Two multimillion £ conglomerates CW and NCC can disadvantage the opponents to the burner. If all goes pair shaped for CW they still get a consolation prize of £20 million.

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    batemansusan

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Campaigners wish they had longer to prepare their case! This has dragged on long enough. Build the thing and start looking to the future, we cannot continue to ship our rubbisg around the world or bury it in a hole

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    DaveG

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • Odd that Bellingham is so vocal on this. He has made a point to so many people in the past that he "cannot tell councils what to do or become involved in planning applications". He became involved when a wind farm threatened the peace near where he lived and now he is at it again. He even hints at his own power by saying he is "confident" that it will all go away. He seems to be suggesting he has been pulling strings behind closed doors. Same old Henry. He may not wear two hats but he does appear to have two faces...........

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    Dickens

    Thursday, October 11, 2012

  • Allegedly well run incinerators are safe unless you are unfortunate to choose Cory Wheelabrator. 11 October 2012, The Board of Health criticized Wheelabrator Saugus after the latest environmental compliance audit uncovered a number of housekeeping issues at the trash-to-energy facility.

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    Alan Allan

    Monday, October 15, 2012

  • Should we rule out coltishall?

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    Marigold

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • This burning issue is a hot potato for whichever party is in power at NCC. The opposition should be careful what they wish for. The whole of Norfolk is not necessarily opposed to incineration. The question has never been put so we just don't know. South Norfolk has some potential sites near railways and rivers where a large scale plant could be located and with a much smaller risk of affecting the Broads or The Wash. Indeed it could probably be built in one of the numerous sand and gravel pits. It could be mostly hidden from view and heavy goods traffic has already been accommodated. A site with coastal access would be preferable and, as ingo suggests, two or three across the county would be more efficient.

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    JCW

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

  • This NIMBYism is exactly why our reserve electricity generation is declining. Absolutely everytime something is proposed the proposal is delayed and postponed by people local to where the generation will occur, Wind Turbines, Incinerators, Nuclear Plants all the same. People are happy to use more and more electricity as long as they don't have to live anywhere near anything that generates it!

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    Focus1

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012

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