Fishermen and surfers are at loggerheads over use of the sea.

Cromer surfers clash with fishermen over North Sea safety

Steve Downes Saturday, July 16, 2011
10:34 AM

A shore war has broken out in Cromer as surfers and crab fisherman clash over use of the sea.

One of the signs that has angered Cromer surfers.

Fishermen want the growing army of surfers to stay away from where they launch and land their boats - amid fears that “someone will be killed” if there is a collision.

Tensions almost boiled over a fortnight ago, when there was a frank exchange of views between surfers and some fishermen, whose boat narrowly missed the boarders as they landed it during a heavy swell.

North Norfolk District Council has stepped in and put up seafront signs, warning the surf community to not go into the water between the Bath House and the doctor’s steps because the area is used by working boats.

But surfers said they had not been consulted, and said the signs were “knee-jerk” and a “direct attack on surfers”.

John Davies, Cromer lifeboat coxswain and a fisherman, said the fishermen found it difficult to spot surfers close to the shore when the sea was rough.

He said: “They go surfing when there’s a lot of swell. When we are coming back to the land we can’t see them. We run in on a wave to get to shore and all of a sudden there’s a surfer. Either someone’s going to get killed or a boat’s going to turn over.”

He added: “There’s all the rest of the beach to surf from.

““You know if you hit a surfer he is going to be killed. It’s a big issue for us. But they don’t seem to see the danger of it. It’s ridiculous.”

Last year, the council produced an advisory leaflet, but the instructions have been beefed up this year on the signs on the seafront.

Adam Frere-Smith, chairman of North Norfolk Surf Lifesaving Club, said: “There was no consultation on the signs. They were a surprise to us. Emotions are running very high among the surfing community. There’s a big local population of people who travel from all over Norfolk to surf Cromer.

“If the signs had just kept to the original plan of just warning water users, nobody would have a problem. But to have this knee-jerk reaction of banning water craft users from the beach is wrong.

“There were no tensions before the signs went up, but this will inflame tensions.”

Ben Kewell, who operates Glide Surf School at Cromer, has designed a new sign, which aims to warn water users of the potential dangers of the fishing boats when they are landing - without singling out surfers.

He said: “I support the views of the fishermen. They’ve been here for hundreds of years and I wouldn’t want their livelihoods being in danger. They are quite rightly worried about there being an accident.”

He added: “But I was annoyed when the signs had been put up right next to where I set up my surfing school each day. I was disappointed to not be consulted.

“What about swimmers, people in kayaks and bodyboarders? It feels like a direct attack on surfers.”

A council spokesman said there had been “ongoing concern” over the safety of surfers in close proximity to fishing boats.

He said the signs had been put up after “consultation with a number of surfers”, but accepted that “not all surfers think it is reasonable”.

He said the signs were “advisory”, and added: “Given the further comments we have received from surfers in the past week or so we have offered to revise the plans on the advisory notices and we are currently in the process of seeking comments on these new proposals from Cromer fishermen.

“The aim is to ensure that everyone who wishes to use this popular area of Cromer beach is able to do so with enjoyment and in safety and I am sure that we will be able to reach an amicable agreement.”

● What do you think? Write to the Letters Editor, 31, Church Street, Cromer, NR27 9ES, email steve.downes@archant.co.uk or join the debate by following @nthnorfolknews on Twitter.

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Being a surfer for the last 20 yrs and traveled all over the world doing so. And surfing every possible spot on our coast line. There is a community a strong one. For us serious surfers its not a sport or a splash in the sea like some of you are saying. It's our life. We respect all ocean workers especially the rnli. The problem is the new people who are buying boards and think they no everything.regulars are always looking for hazards so you people commenting on surfers getting in the way and there's waves all over comer. Go learn some oceanography to find out how waves form. Stop sticking your nose in from your bench on dry land and think you have the knowledge to put your pennys worth in. The sea is free and can be used by all. Commonsense is needed on both sides of this matter. So all folks that don't fish or surf don't get involved in what you don't no. Happy surfing.

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jss

Tuesday, July 19, 2011
All vessels have to abide by the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea (IRPCS). These rules state that all vessels have a duty to maintain a safe speed and look out to avoid collision. The surfers present an avoidable danger if seen early enough by the skippers. The crab boats generally make their run into the beach from at least a few hundred yards from the beach; most surfers spend their time in the water looking out to sea for the wave sets. The crab boat skippers face a difficult task in beach landing during any significant swell and suddenly finding a surfer in close proximity inthe water is not a scenario any of them would relish. The surfers can easily make way for the boats, for the few minutes, whilst they land before then resuming their position. I have not only surfed from the beach at Cromer but have organised a surf competition at this very spot and have never had a problem like this. I think that NNDC's signs are overkill and that common sense and simple safe water use are all that is really required. I am sure that the surfers would not like to cause a crab boat to broach as it approaches the beach, nor would a skipper like to have a surfer maimed by their propellor.

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Duncan AA

Monday, July 18, 2011
Well Daisy, as much as I respect the danger of surfersother water sports participates, I must disagree with your rather ignorant views. The fact that you believe that a surfer would just casually sit as a boat passes with great speed right next to himher is absurd. Every time I have encountered a boat approaching shore I have paddled well out of the way until it has landed, and I am sure that the rest of the surfing community do the same. Perhaps it would be suitable if the boats were kept and launched further to the east of the beach, where surfers don't surf, and the beach is less popular. I don't see why fishermen should have their way and, controlling and dominating the beach, when surfers just take blow after blow trying to keep people like you happy. Also, why is it a massive deal the surfers have leisure time, is there a problem with people having a hobby that they enjoy doing? Lighten up and start respecting other peoples lifestyle choicescultures, because I bet you have something you enjoy doing, and would be well and truly fuming if someone tried to dominate it!

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Kye Bartlett

Monday, July 18, 2011
Well Daisy, as much as I respect the danger of surfersother water sports participates, I must disagree with your rather ignorant views. The fact that you believe that a surfer would just casually sit as a boat passes with great speed right next to himher is absurd. Every time I have encountered a boat approaching shore I have paddled well out of the way until it has landed, and I am sure that the rest of the surfing community do the same. Perhaps it would be suitable if the boats were kept and launched further to the east of the beach, where surfers don't surf, and the beach is less popular. I don't see why fishermen should have their way and, controlling and dominating the beach, when surfers just take blow after blow trying to keep people like you happy. Also, why is it a massive deal the surfers have leisure time, is there a problem with people having a hobby that they enjoy doing? Lighten up and start respecting other peoples lifestyle choicescultures, because I bet you have something you enjoy doing, and would be well and truly fuming if someone tried to dominate it!

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Kye Bartlett

Monday, July 18, 2011
Ncfc, PMSL Fool! It was flat calm and weather it is a lifeboat coxwain or any other person it makes no differance. defend who you wish its your right as much as anyone but the fool is the person that cannot see the other side to the story.

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Foggy

Monday, July 18, 2011
How about getting your facts correct before you comment,its only about 6 to 8 times a year when there is a problem.The fishing boats can change course and land anywhere 95% of the time.The problems arise when the sea is very rough on the edge and a boat can't change course otherwise it could overturn.All the fisherman want is the surfers to give them a straight run up the beach for the 30 seconds it take to land their boats.As for foggy's do you really think the coxswain of cromer lifeboat is a danger to water users......you fool!!!!!

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ncfc

Sunday, July 17, 2011
Ummmm, just sat here and watched a certain large cat crab boat (we all know who this is) come ashore 2pm sunday, full pelt in and up the beach. Now there are bylaws as to speed but more to the point if there was a small child playing on the forshore that they had not seen they would have been mincemeat in there prop. I knwo they would say ther looked and no one was there but as someone that used boats all the time I know it is not possible to see that well to be sure. If they think this is setting an example and supporting there cause by helming the boat this way i just hope they dont hit someone rather than another water user does not have the chance to get out of the way!

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Foggy

Sunday, July 17, 2011
This is getting absolutely ridiculous, good god there is more than enough room for everybody. All that is needed is for the boats to land slightly further down the beach leaving the section nearest the pier for the surfers. Come on now let common sense prevail.

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chucky noris

Sunday, July 17, 2011
mr bumphrey i would like to enlighten you on a few of your points. .the community of surfers in norfolk is well in excess of 100 the cromer fishing fleet 10 maybe 20 at best .it's not convenience, it is by far the best area to surf in cromer. is it not the boats that use it for convenience because its near the prom and the slope? .the are often near the lifeguards because the lifeguards are surfers and that's how they have become competent enough to be able to rescue the public from a tricky situation in the water. .yes mr kewell is registered to operate on cromer east, and can i say the lifeguards were not consulted who also work on this side of the beach .surfers are subject to parking fines on the prom as are everyone else and so rarely park there and do so at their own risk . as for everyone who believes they have too much time on there hands or shouldn't be somewhere so dangerous understand this. surfing is the most addictive activity in the world it excites it relaxes its a destress for many its also a social seen, its a sad reflection of the world if being happy and content is downgraded to a stupid past time. its also a great way to provide the young comunity with ocean skills a love for the enviroment and a great fitness level in the great outdoors which sadly many now lack. for all you who don't understand i ask you to try surfiing then make your judgement. finally more enlightenment on the situation as a whole. I was present the morning of the dispute. one surfer was aware of the incoming boat and changed his path but as before the fishing boat changed direction and headed in close to the surfer. on the beach surfers, before saying anything were given a tirade of abuse, and some was given back which admittedly lowered them to the level of the fishermen and was a bad way to handle the situation. more boats came with no issues one boat came so close after once again appearing to change direction he began unprovoked swearing at the surfers in the water, then later on land threatened to run them down and kill them next time. it has been witnessed by many that surfers have been aimed at by the fishermen in an attempted to scare them out the way which is disgraceful and dangerous. the simple to solution to the problem, which can i just say has been blown way out of proportion! is this a simple warning say a blare horn when fishermen are approaching, and the fishermen land within a buoyed area which is vacated by surfers when the horn sounds then a second horn to say the area is clear for use. oh and one final point for all surfers use the area anyway the signs are unlawful, in order to enforce the signs a bylaw must be passed which hasn't. both sides just be respectful! hope this has helped the misinformed.

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jake

Saturday, July 16, 2011
Let's get a few facts straight about surfing at Cromer. Despite the impression given by surf-school operator Ben Kewell in Tuesday's E.D.P ("Surf's Up In Norfolk") surfers have been active at Cromer for a long time. For over forty years in fact. Since the early 1960's their numbers have varied. Their clubs, surf shops and locally published magazines have come and gone, but there has never been an accident involving a fishing boat, even at more heavily-surfed East Runton, where more than one fisherman was also a surfer. (One of the best local surfers became Cox of Lowestoft lifeboat, by the way.) Maxine Archer is correct - surfers watch carefully for approaching waves. They can easily see an incoming boat and quickly move out of danger. David Bumphrey is wrong - waves aren't the same all along the beach. If he watches more closely he'll see that rideable waves only form, as Maxine says, at certain points, and that's where experienced surfers need to be. Inexperienced beginners under Mr. Kewell's tuition are a different matter - they can learn the basics on small, broken surf all along the beach. As for Mr. Bumphrey's dismissal of the surfing community, I refer him to the fundraising contest organised by two young surfers at Cromer in January 2005, in aid of the Boxing Day tsunami survivors. Hundreds of surfers from allover East Anglia and beyond supported the event, and bought a video made on the day, raising over £1,000 for the fund. The true surfing community is low-profile, made up of committed enthusiasts from all walks of life, who surf mostly in winter. There's no reason they shouldn't continue to share the sea with fishermen. For the record, I've been surfing since 1969.

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Neil Watson

Saturday, July 16, 2011
The fishermen are worried about hitting a surfer, absolutely fair and valid point. But what about all the other people that use the beach? Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but as I see it the fishermen are far more likely to hit a hapless swimmer or a little kiddie paddling around in the shallows than they are a surfer. Surfers sit up higher in the water on their boards so are more visible, are looking out to sea so they will probably be able to see the boats on their way in, and are generally capable paddlers so will be able to move out of the way when they are. So, as the fishermen have said they think it likely they will hit someone, drastic measures need to be taken. Yes, lets move everyone who might possibly ever be in the slightest danger of being hit by a boat; swimmers, rock poolers, parents and toddlers paddling in the shallows, dog walkers along the foreshore… the list goes on. If we’re going to try and stop one group using the water for their own safety then surely we need to try and stop them all? Then in 10-15 years time when there are no more fish to catch and the eco system has finally been destroyed people can start using the beach and the water again (although by this time I suspect these measures may have had a detrimental effect on the local tourist economy which is so important to the town). OR, might it be more sensible to just accept that people are free to use the water as they please, whether it be for swimming, paddling, fishing or (god forbid) surfing, and try to help and educate people so that they may stay as safe as they possibly can?

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Maxine Archer

Saturday, July 16, 2011
Theres enough room for all on the beach. The fishermen have no right above anyone no more than the surfers do but for the signs to go up just shows the ignorance of the NNDC and how they deal with things that know very little about. Do the fishermen pay to use the beach ?? They never used to so would be supprised if they do now. The only person that probably pays if the surf scholl and he was ignored before the signs went up. If a surfer got hit by a boat im sure the boat driver would get prosecuted not the surfer for being in the wrong place so common sense is required here. The other thing here is to remember that the types of fishing boats that are being used now are far differant from the old wooden ones before and are driven completely differently speed wise with much less vision in the surf with the bow up and this is not the surfers fault but a change made by fishermen.

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Foggy

Saturday, July 16, 2011
They should keep well away from the fishermen, who are working not playing. They are all the same spoilt selfish people without any care for others.

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Johnny Norfolk

Friday, July 15, 2011
Who really cares about surfers or even jet skiers They are merely playing and represent a growing number of people who think it is their right to indulge a whim or pasttime whereever or however they please because they have too much time or money on their hands. No I am not a member of the fishing fraternity but someone who has immediate family members who spend many days a year at sea doing a job which is at times dangerous. Every year we see people being rescued when they have got themselves into difficulty messing about with a leisure activity at sea. The original beach companies which predated the lifeboats were set up to rescue people whose livelihoods depended upon putting themselves in danger, I bet they would have had something to say about their descendents fishing fools out of the water rather than herring. As for suitable reefs and the beaches not being owned-well, no one has to surf, and I bet most beaches are owned or under the control of someone or other.

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Daisy Roots

Friday, July 15, 2011
I suppose this is evolution at work: if people want to exercise their right to leisure in clearly dangerous working areas and are subsequently unable to pass on their obviously faulty (decision making) genes due to accident or injury inflicted, it would be of benefit to the local gene pool. Check out the Darwin Awards website to see what I mean. Get in that water, I say!

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lockers

Friday, July 15, 2011
Anyone who knows anything about the sea would understand that the “gentle” waves are not the same all along the beaches of Cromer, and that in that particular area of beach to the east of the pier there are man made structures (the pier and the stone groyne) and natural phenomena (the large flint reef) that have affected the way the sand has built up, and therefore how the waves break. Along the rest of the beach there are less of these influencing factors and so the waves are not so good for surfing. The pier also offers shelter in North-Westerly winds, which are common with the swells that we experience in this particular area of the North Sea. This is probably a more likely reason as to why surfers are attracted to this area of the beach. The fishermen have an extremely valid point; that they do not want to be responsible for the death of a surfer. This does not mean that surfers should not be allowed to surf there. The sea is a free natural resource that should be used and enjoyed by all. But surfers certainly need to be more aware that fisherman cannot always see them and that it is up to them to move out of the landing area when boats are coming in. This is why the sign was put there, and I’m sure the new wording will reflect that. As for Mr Kewells surf school, he is no different to the fishermen in that he is a private business man earning a living by working with the sea. Why should he not be consulted if there are changes on the foreshore that will affect his livelihood? He has as much right to conduct his business there as anybody else. What would happen if tourists and beach users suddenly decided that fishermen beaching their boats on such a busy beach was too dangerous for their liking, and they wanted them to move somewhere else? I think a little understanding on this issue would go a long way, from both sides.

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Maxine Archer

Thursday, July 14, 2011
I would suggest Newquay is the place,as they are geared up for this sport

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Albert Cooper

Thursday, July 14, 2011
Im sorry Daisy Roots but I dont believe that you have a clue what you are talking about. Im not saying that I do but saying that " Making a living in a way done for donkeys years in Cromer versus playing about in the water.." is so wrong! People have been surfing in cromer for as long as the boats have been working here, My dad used to do both when he was my age. And saying that its just playing in the water I know that most if not all the surfers would take offence to this. I dont believe that anyone can just set up a surf school, you need all types of training and insurance to even work on one. Being a beginner surfer myself going anywhere near the strong currents that pull you under near the break water (like these signs are saying) i know myself is a bad idea so saying that the surf school takes people in "unsuitable areas" is all wrong, its the council that are trying to put people in " unsuitable areas". Ben who runs the surf school knows exactly what he is doing so bad mouthing his company isnt helping anyone. Finally you are complaining about a hobby that people love doing, there isnt much to do in cromer for us silly men-boys (there are some girls that do it as well just so you know!) thanks

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WilGarwood

Thursday, July 14, 2011
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WilGarwood

Thursday, July 14, 2011
Surely common sense prevails here. One incident that then leads to a blanket ban response is a bit OTT. I agree that safety first is the best approach, but to ban water users (at present it is explicit to surfers - so I’m guessing that general water users are not a safety concern and will be merrily ploughed through) is a tad extreme. I'm sure that 99% of the time there is no issue and while I agree that surfing has grown hugely here in the last 5 years, we are not exactly talking about Felixstowe dock's levels of boat traffic. Politeness from both sides would go a long way. My understanding is that Cromer District has a desire to increase levels of tourism and recreational use so both sides would do well to agrees a fair compromise. Such as the one that has been in place for the last 25 years - if a boat is coming in, move aside. To have a hissyfit the first time this doesn’t happen is kneejerk.

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Mike Snelling

Thursday, July 14, 2011
The way I see it is that the working fishing folk use this part of the beach out of necessity for access points, tide patterns etc all demand and dictate this ...... the surfing few, and I'm sorry I do not buy into the whole "community" thing as in all my years i've never seen more than a handful of surfers bobbibg about at any one time .... use this part of the beach out of convenience. Not forgetting It is near the lifeguard station which they seem to use as a base, which begs the question do they distract their pals who's eyes should be on the beach goers. As for consultation, the surfers have a very weak argument I'm afraid ..... were dog walkers and kite flyers and the like consulted .... Was I as I love to watch the boats come in early mornings whilst having breakfast atthe lifeboat cafe ..... No of course not and why, because it's common sense to move out of the way when boats are landing. It seems that the apprently offensive signs "attacking" surfers have needed to be visable as quite clearly they, or a few, ignored the request of NNDC to stay clear of the incoming boats. Mr Kewell complains he wasnt consulted but why should he be consulted, are his business premises registered on the east beach which would quite righfully give him consultation rights ? The surfing community risks alianating themselves further over this issue, the gentle waves are the same all along the beaches of Cromer so why is it an absolute must to surf in an area of working boats ? ( I am open to listen to reasoning on that point ) .... perhaps posting the prom parking rules would also be a useful to the surfing community, just a thought ! ....

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David Bumphrey

Thursday, July 14, 2011
The way I see it is that the working fishing folk use this part of the beach out of necessity for access points, tide patterns etc all demand and dictate this ...... the surfing few, and I'm sorry I do not buy into the whole "community" thing as in all my years i've never seen more than a handful of surfers bobbibg about at any one time .... use this part of the beach out of convenience. Not forgetting It is near the lifeguard station which they seem to use as a base, which begs the question do they distract their pals who's eyes should be on the beach goers. As for consultation, the surfers have a very weak argument I'm afraid ..... were dog walkers and kite flyers and the like consulted .... Was I as I love to watch the boats come in early mornings whilst having breakfast atthe lifeboat cafe ..... No of course not and why, because it's common sense to move out of the way when boats are landing. It seems that the apprently offensive signs "attacking" surfers have needed to be visable as quite clearly they, or a few, ignored the request of NNDC to stay clear of the incoming boats. Mr Kewell complains he wasnt consulted but why should he be consulted, are his business premises registered on the east beach which would quite righfully give him consultation rights ? The surfing community risks alianating themselves further over this issue, the gentle waves are the same all along the beaches of Cromer so why is it an absolute must to surf in an area of working boats ? ( I am open to listen to reasoning on that point ) .... perhaps posting the prom parking rules would also be a useful to the surfing community, just a thought ! ....

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David Bumphrey

Thursday, July 14, 2011
Surely common sense prevails here. One incident that then leads to a blanket ban response is a bit OTT. I agree that safety first is the best approach, but to ban water users (at present it is explicit to surfers - so im guessing that general water users are not a safety concern and will be merrily ploughed through) is a tad extreme. I'm sure that 99% of the time there is no issue and while I agree that surfing has grown hugely here in the last 5 year, we are not exactly talking about Felixstowe dock's levels of boat traffic. Politeness from both sides would go a long way. My understanding is that Cromer District has a desire to increase levels of tourism and recreational use so both sides would do well to agrees a fair compromise. Such as the one that has been in place for the last 25 years - if a boat is coming in, move aside. To have a hissyfit the first time this doesnt happen is kneejerk.

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Mike Snelling

Thursday, July 14, 2011
Surely common sense prevails here. One incident that then leads to a blanket ban response is a bit OTT. I agree that safety first is the best approach, but to ban water users (at present it is explicit to surfers - so im guessing that general water users are not a safety concern and will be merrily ploughed through) is a tad extreme. I'm sure that 99% of the time there is no issue and while I agree that surfing has grown hugely here in the last 5 year, we are not exactly talking about Felixstowe dock's levels of boat traffic. Politeness from both sides would go a long way. My understanding is that Cromer District has a desire to increase levels of tourism and recreational use so both sides would do well to agrees a fair compromise. Such as the one that has been in place for the last 25 years - if a boat is coming in, move aside. To have a hissyfit the first time this doesnt happen is kneejerk.

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Mike Snelling

Thursday, July 14, 2011
Compromise and agreement by all bodies.......cloud cuckoo land.The fisherman should never have to compromise their own safety so a few surfers can play Hawaii 5 o.They were asked to vacate the water when the boats landed(it takes a boat about 30 seconds to land through the swell) but they chose to ignore this.Thats great compromise

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ncfc

Thursday, July 14, 2011
As far as I am aware nobody owns these beaches or the right to sole use, any decisions on how they are used should be made by compromise and the agreement of all parties. It is no wonder that people get upset when you see the offensive tone of the previous comment - if you are representative of the fishing community then my support goes to the surfers. Grow up and learn how to be polite and respect others and people might be willing to sit down and talk things out. P.S. I am not a surfer

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sean garwood

Thursday, July 14, 2011
Im sorry Daisy Roots but I dont believe that you have a clue what you are talking about. Im not saying that I do but saying that " Making a living in a way done for donkeys years in Cromer versus playing about in the water.." is so wrong! People have been surfing in cromer for as long as the boats have been working here, My dad used to do both when he was my age. And saying that its just playing in the water I know that most if not all the surfers would take offence to this. I dont believe that anyone can just set up a surf school, you need all types of training and insurance to even work on one. Being a beginner surfer myself going anywhere near the strong currents that pull you under near the break water (like these signs are saying) i know myself is a bad idea so saying that the surf school takes people in "unsuitable areas" is all wrong, its the council that are trying to put people in " unsuitable areas". Ben who runs the surf school knows exactly what he is doing so bad mouthing his company isnt helping anyone. Finally you are complaining about a hobby that people love doing, there isnt much to do in cromer for us silly men-boys (there are some girls that do it as well just so you know!) thanks

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WilGarwood

Thursday, July 14, 2011
There has to be a compromise on both sides here, to blanket ban an entire area is quite ill thought out. Surfers and surfing is one of many uses of the inshore waters, which in essence means that all water users are potentially in danger when a fishing boat comes in. Common sense applies. To put no-go areas in place is a silly move. I would understand it more if there were water craft coming and going all the time, but this is cromer not felixstowe docks. Respect from both sides could go a long way, a balance between traditional activities and modern sports can be found. As for the comment above, little to no value in that.

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Mike Snelling

Thursday, July 14, 2011
When some silly man-boy gets a clout up alongside the head from a fishing boat they will see why they were warned. Making a living in a way done for donkeys years in Cromer versus playing about in the water..why is anyone even bothering to listen to their bleating. Can anyone set up a "surf school" wherever they like , so attracting trend followers to unsuitable areas? ( Stands back and waits for backlash from those who would be cool )

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Daisy Roots

Thursday, July 14, 2011