A Norwich councillor has called for greater penalties for cyclists after spending an hour monitoring a notorious Norwich danger-spot.

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Julie Brociek-Coulton was joined by prospective Parliamentary candidates Jess Asato and Clive Lewis to survey cycle safety at the one-way stretch off Magdalen Street during the morning rush-hour.

Together they spotted 18 cyclists using the road illegally – either cycling the wrong way into the direction of traffic or by cycling on the pavement, past pedestrians and shop doors.

Mrs Brociek-Coulton, who carried out a similar survey earlier in the year, said they had witnessed some near misses.

“We were shouted abuse by a few but some had earphones in, listening to music as they merrily broke the law,” she said.

“One of the cyclists not only broke the law going down the road the wrong way, but swerved around a car waiting at a red light and then had a very near miss as a Sanders bus came up Magdalen Street.”

Mrs Brociek-Coulton said more frequent fines were needed for cyclists, bringing punishments closer to those for drivers who flout the law. She added: “We would like tickets given out to every cyclist who goes down Magdalen Street the wrong way on the path and road.”

Calling for mutual respect between the needs of pedestrians and cyclists, she said: “This has been going on for three years now. It has to stop.”

Norfolk Constabulary said anyone committing an offence could expect a warning and safety advice, and risked a £30 fixed penalty notice. Where cycling problems have been made a local priority, high-visibility patrols are carried out to educate and advise cyclists.

Ms Asato, who will contest Norwich North against Chloe Smith at the next general election, said she had been “horrified” at the risks some cyclists took.

“Others swore at us and carried on recklessly cycling along the pavement, weaving in and out of pedestrians,” she said.

“One cyclist nearly hit a small child as he crossed a pedestrian crossing and on to the pavement.”

Ms Asato, who said she was a cyclist herself, added that “people who disregard the rules give all cyclists a bad name and put other road users and pedestrians at real risk.” Earlier this year Ms Smith urged cyclists to stick to the roads after complaints from families over riding on pavements.

Norfolk Constabulary figures show that 26 cyclists were fined for cycling on the pavement in 2011, down from 172 in 2009.

64 comments

  • Interesting comparing the difference between provision for cyclists here and in The Netherlands. Over there (and in most of the rest of Europe) cyclists are allowed to ride the 'wrong' way along a one way street unless there's a good reason why not, and there will be a 30kph (18.5mph) speed limit, which everyone observes. How about simply solving the problem by attaching an 'Except for Cycles' sign underneath the 'No Entry' sign.

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    2-wheels

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • I think the difference, if you call it that, between cyclists and motorists and red lights is that when a car goes through a red light it is usually just after its changed. However when I see cyclists going through red lights, either on the road or via the pavement, its when they've been red for some time but the road appears clear the other way so they just go through. This happens at many junctions in the city

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    Daveyboy

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • That's what I was thinking Andy, fine them and lock the bike up in police compound until they pay to have it released if not paid in 7 days crush or recycle it. Tim, I think drivers who block off cycle lanes tend to think issue of having a cyclist trying to squeeze through the side then go off at the lights quicker only to be held up by the cyclist further up the road and stopping that happening, not condoning the behaviour however. Though the number of cyclists I've seen squeezing up the nearside of traffic as they wish to turn is ridiculous! Also unless pedestrians and cyclists are on a shared path, then cyclists shouldn't be on the pavement. May I add law breaking behaviour isn't just one group of users, it's spread between all users.

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    NorthCity

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • perhaps some scheme where there was a nominal fee for purchasing a new bike to an owner, that went to a road or cycle path fund or for education purposes

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    NorthCity

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I am partially sighted and walk to and from work with a white stick. In the last 2 months I have been hit on 4 seperate occasions, once cutting my arm and drawing blood. I got a mouthful of abuse from the cyclist for my trouble. This I reported this to the police but the are overstretched. I am still encountering idiot cyclists who expect me to get out of their way, they don't even slow down. The few who do use the road go through red lights or get off the road on the pavement to avoid the lights. Only tougher action will make a difference or someone will take the law into their own hands and then maybe the police will take notice. I have every right to be walking on the pavement without being sworn at or assaulted by these morons.

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    mclaf

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Cyclists seem to get away with murder these days. I well remember my father being booked because his front light was out when cycling home one night, somewhere about 1950. He swore he would go to jail rather than pay a fine, but relented by the time his case came up. He was fined £2 -10s -0d, which then was about a third of a week's take home pay, probably equivalent to £150 today. Now the worst penalty is only a £30 ticket.

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    Derek Colman

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I cycle that road twice a day (in both direction?). Iv never jumped a light, and iv never cycled on the pavement. But I'm all for fining people who do, it seems only fair. Magdalen st though is probably one of the worst roads I cycle on in my commute. Iv lost count of pedestrians who aimlessly walk into the road. In addition to this, iv been shouted at (because someone was not paying attention when they walked into the road) and have had a few dangerous overtake by car drivers who should know better. Bad overtaking on that road might be one reason why people don't want to cycle on the road btw. As for the comments about siezing the bikes..why stop at cyclists, why not seize any and all road vhicle that breaks the law...you can start with reckless drivers, speeding drivers, phone using drivers, red light jumping drivers, cars that park on the pavement, cars that block acsess etc Those have a much more dramatic effect on people's lives than the occational idiot who happens to use a bike.

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    monkeynuts

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • parkeg1, if you are a council tax payer then you pay for the roads regardles of what form of transport you use. You have Winston Churchill to thank for that. Yes cyclists should be riding on the road, yes it is illegal to ride on the pavement but can we really blame them if the reason they ride on the pavement is that the roads have got too dangerous for them? If cyclists are being disrespectful and a danger towards pedestrians then yes punish them but should all cyclists be punished because councils have spent the council tax we all pay without considering the safety of cyclists? The reasonable answer is no.

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    CovCanary

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • The road in question has double yellow lines, but many of the routes into the city are through residential areas where cars are parked outside homes and the routes are used by service and P&R buses, cars, and by cyclists. Cambridge, and to a lesser extent Ely, bit the bullet and removed the right of householders to park outside of their homes by putting down double yellow lines to enable traffic to move smoothly along some roads. This may devalue homes and compensation ought to be paid, but in their pursuit of the NDR both city and county councils have neglected how essential traffic-delivery lorries and buses- and cyclists can travel around the city. As an example, part of the route into the city used by the Sprowston P&R should in my opinion either not be used by buses at all or have all parking banned. A difficult problem to solve given a medieaval city centre and a large amount of Victorian houses just a few hundred yards from the city centre. Norwich councillors should be sent to Cambridge and a Dutch town of comparable size to see how they cope with safe cycling and public transport. Of course-no offence to anyone-the nature of the cycling revealed by the study could be down to the demography of the area .

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    Daisy Roots

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • All that money that was spent on the Magdelan system and no cycle paths incuded. We all pay our council tax, cycles should get the same provision as pedestrians and motorists. Also, its not straight forward that cycling on the pavement is illegal, actually, its very ambiguous. Where a person consider cycling on the road to be a hazard, they are legally aloud to use the pavement giving due care to other users. Yes there are some idiots out there who cycle dangerously, but the same applies to motorists and pedestrians. This article is the latest in a long line of anti-cyclist articles run by the evening news.

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    Crazy

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • The roads are not safe for cyclists, especially when some drivers want to stamp their authority onto them by cutting them off, on the main roads no end of times I see long lines of traffic overtaking a cyclist but no-one indicates to say they are overtaking or to warn following drivers there is something in the road they need to be aware of, so as they are presented with a cyclist in the road they have to suddenly swerve, my only surprise is that not all cyclists are killed riding on A roads. It makes more sense cyclists mix with pedestrians than cyclists mix with lorries, cars, tractors, until there is a safe alternative where you could fine them for riding on paths when cycle paths are available it's better they stay on the paths as long as they stop whenever there is a pedestrian, do not tear around on the paths, and always give pedestrians priority. Instead of always banging on about 'speed kills' they should be banging on about better road designs as that is the real issue, same for penalising cyclists, until there are roads suitable for modern traffic it isn't fair to penalise drivers trying to stick to a ridiculous 20mph limit, 30mph limits should be plenty slow enough, if we could all get to where we need to be in a reasonable time, eg a 60mph road you can travel 60mph on rather than for example the A140 where you'll be lucky to have an average speed of 30mph, if you could get places in more reasonable times 20mph or 30mph limits in area's would be more acceptable to stick to for more drivers.

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    Jason Bunn

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Having been a cyclist all my life as well as a motorcyclist and a car driver - I have never ridden on the pavement, or gone through a red light or heaven forbid down a one way street the wrong way - but it really does annoy me when cyclists do these things - you are very vunerable on a bicycle, and many other road users seem to forget this fact but it does not excuse bad behaviour and putting other people including pedestrians at risk. I have complained in the past to Police about cyclist on pavments in the Thorpe area - got no response - which is why they continue to do it .....

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    kevin rymell

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Another leading question from the 'daily toad'. This experiment in social engineering by Labours hopeful, in a small medieval Magdalen Street that had some ten different buses routed through it, with narrow pavements and painted excuses for cycle path, was predictable. had they done their survey in Newmarket street or the Avenues, dare I say, cycling themselves , this nasty derogative article would not have been written. It looks like our party politicians are still in the same blame and same mindset, would they advocate that car drivers breaking the law have their cars crushed? do tyhey advocate for drunk drivers who kill to loose their license for life? NO, they are having a go at the most green and healthy mode of transport to suit their twisted political agenda.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • The transport infrastructure of Norwich is poor, that's why there is a problem. MP's are happy to go against the cyclists abusing the road, but cyclists have just become a scape goat and an MP has seen them as an easy target. Ignoring the true problem they should be dealing with here, the quality of our transport infrastructure. In 2012 you'd of expected that there would be exceptional public transport in a city the size of Norwich, one that maybe encourages people to walk, cycle or get the bus train into work. Instead we still have a city centre packed full of cars. I own a bike but wouldn't even be tempted to cycle anywhere, it's too much of a hassle in Norwich (isn't that a bit sad?), so well done for people that do cycle. Also if you look at the infrastructure of similar sized European cities, Breda in Holland for example, you begin to wonder why this article even exists!

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    stephenong

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • CovCanary - That would be a good idea and would help proof how effective a good cycle lane can be.

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Rae, of course cyclists have a right to be on the road, it's the minority that tar all cyclists with the same brush, much like car drivers et al. My own 2p: it would be beneficial to bring back proficiency tests back to school, perhaps some scheme where there was a nominal fee for purchasing a new bike to an owner. Can't see how it'd be possible to implement a license or insurance system without compulsory registration plates.

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    NorthCity

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Rae - *prove - ???

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    biglingers

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Just because cyclists hold the moral high ground over motorists, it doesn't make them kings and queens of the road. Overall, I am not too fussed when my wing mirror has been clipped by a cyclist squeezing past or having to break sharply and dangerously when a cyclist weaves in and out of traffic. Neither do I really worry that they always jump red lights, cycle on the path, then road, then path agaib. It is also of little concern to me when they cycle the wrong way up a one way street and when they don't have the correct safety wear or lights. The thing that does bother me though is this unwritten law that they are able to tap on a motorists window and shout abuse at them or verbally abuse a pedestrian for using a path or designated crossing. These are the issues that really get old Whiley grumpy. Regards, Whiley.

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    Whiley Boy

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • Oh ok I dont ever go that far up Magdalen street I know where you mean now. I use the bus and cycle lane further down. Well taxes will have to be spent for extra policing to fine people. I just thought it would be better to spend it in a more positive way. I took up cycling to and from work about a year ago. I dont swear at people or go though red lights or cycle where i shouldn't be. I guess i have also been lucky enough to not see to much of this behavior from other cyclists. I'm sorry people have had bad experiences. So do you feel that because cyclists dont pay road tax they have no right to be on the road?

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Cyclists should receive the same penalties as meted out to drivers for flouting traffic laws. I ride about 10,000 miles a years and the behaviour of some cyclists give all of us a bad image. I want drivers and pedestrians to respect us, but we have to earn it. There are too many prat drivers and cyclists on the roads.

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    kenneth jessett

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Hi Daisy, I don't think that penalising home owners as well as motorists really solves the issue of cyclists with little or no road safety awareness. Not allowing a homeowner who likely already pays for a permit to park outside their own property further glorifies the cyclist into some kind of superior being, just because they are doing their bit to save the planet. A planet which sadly only has a few hundred million years of life left to give. All that needs to be done is tougher and more stringent regulations for cyclists breaking the law and not adhering to road safety. Regards, Whiley.

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    Whiley Boy

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • Another point has just struck me: The observers saw 18 cyclists 'misbehaving' on Magdalen Street in one hour. I would expect at least 100 cyclists go through there in a hour. No mention of the other 80 or so! Nor any mention of drivers using phones at the wheel, or parking on the footway etc. etc. I would suspect that at least 20% of drivers were misbehaving too!

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    2-wheels

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • RAE, it's very clear that this photo is taken near to the Magpie Road end which is a no entry to all traffic, the bus lane you refer to is further down closer to the city.Also if you want more cycle lanes, are you going to chip in and help pay for them or expect the taxes from car and motorcycles to pay for it all for you, If you pay nothing you can expect nothing.

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    parkeg1

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • To be clearer re: council tax, Churchill abolished road tax in 1935 and now all roads are payed for locally using council tax. This means everyone who pays council tax pays for the roads. There is still a tax specifically for motorists called Vehicle Excise Duty which is a tax on emissions not road use.

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    CovCanary

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • So far this week I have witnessed several very elderly people both men and women cycling along the footpath also parents cycling on the road while their children cycle along the paths and in my mind this is fair enough as they were courteous to any pedestrians that passed including myself. I don't have a problem with this as I would hate to see these vulnerable people cycling on the busy highway. Also there area many shared paths which are for both pedestrians and cyclists (isn't one now being installed along Gurney Road) again their doesn't appear to be any problems. As someone has already pointed out the authorities encourage cycling, yet fail to provide for them. Yes you get a few mindless idiots cycling on the footpaths (usually young boys) but not half as many mindless idiots who drive cars on the road. As both a cyclist and a motorist I can see things from both sides, but what I would do is suggest some of you anti-cyclists get on a bike on the road and try it some time, you will soon see why people ride on footpaths.

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    Old Long Balls

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • North City, I think that would be a good idea. I would have paid an extra amount when purchasing my bike for better cycle lanes. Its inspiring when going to some other European citys how efficient a good cycle network can be. Just another small point I noticed a few months ago the council had made cycle maps of the city. I e-mailed the council to find out where I could get one, However I never got a reply! Does anyone know anything about these?

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • The facts are that no cyclists ever get prosecuted for breaking the law.I see cyclists merrily riding past the irrelevant community wardens without a shout from them.We have the occasional "we are cracking down on cyclists who break the law" then all goes back to the status quo

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    Albert Cooper

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Well said biglingers--paths should have been kept for pedestrians only.they should go on the roads.paths are for kids on fairy trikes only.now one has to dodge and pray.look at Lowestoft seafront for starters.all bike lanes. cant remember which year it all changed but it was a bad one.

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    bookworm

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Another leading question from the EDP. Now why did these party politicians looked at cycling in a medieval street, small, with desperately painted on cycle paths, with some ten different bus routes going along the same road? Why did they not choose Newmarket road, a commuter road into Norwich, or the avenues? because they needed to make party political propaganda points to serve their respective future campaigns. looking at the vote and comments, we should berate the EDP for generating peoples hate of the cheapest, most healthiest and least destructive form of personal transport. shame on them.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • parkeg1, if you are a council tax payer then you pay for the roads regardles of what form of transport you use. You have Winston Churchill to thank for that. Yes cyclists should be riding on the road, yes it is illegal to ride on the pavement but can we really blame them if the reason they ride on the pavement is that the roads have got too dangerous for them? If cyclists are being disrespectful and a danger towards pedestrians then yes punish them but should all cyclists be punished because councils have spent the council tax we all pay without considering the safety of cyclists? The reasonable answer is no.

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    CovCanary

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I completely agree with Tim, Its offen very unclear and inconsistent where cyclists can and cannot go. I'm confused about this comment of cyclists riding the 'wrong way' down Magdalen street too? Coming into the city the lane is a shared buss and cycle lane right? And have you ever biked down Magdalen street its pretty scary road for a cyclist. Spend the money on better cycle lanes. Surely we only want to encourage people to cycle.

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • In answer to the poll, all road users should be penalised appropriately for any law breaking. That includes cars on the path as well as cyclist, red light jumpers (both cars and cycles). You should not differentiate between different road users.

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    oneloosenut

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • North City, I think that would be a good idea. I would have paid an extra amount when purchasing my bike for better cycle lanes. Its inspiring when going to some other European citys how efficient a good cycle network can be. Just another small point I noticed a few months ago the council had made cycle maps of the city. I e-mailed the council to find out where I could get one, However I never got a reply! Does anyone know anything about these?

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Instead of spending money trying to help higher paid commuters get out of Norfolk by train faster, why not spend the money on helping better facitlities to help cyclists get around the city safer.

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    expat

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • cycle paths should never have been invented.

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    bookworm

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Cycle Paths in Norwich are woefully inadequote and most not fit for purpose. Give cyclists the same sort of provision that motorists and pedesrians get and the problem would be solved. There are idiots in all walks of life, dont judge all by the same book.

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    Crazy

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • biglingers - Just correcting my spelling in a previous comment.

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Sit down bookworm! -I agree with you! FOOTpaths are exactly that. I don't give way to them on a path and never will - despite some ripe language. About time cyclists are treated like motorists - they are after all riding. Now lets wait for the abuse!

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    biglingers

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • fine them £200 to start with. also have a purge on them and dirty dog owners who leave little presents on the paths..

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    bookworm

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I'm a regular walker, cyclist & motorist, so don't think I'm being biased an anything. Cyclists IMO, get the worse deal of all 3 modes of transport. Walkers have dedicated paths, motorists have dedicatde roads, only rarely do cyclists get a dedicated cycle route. The massspeed disparity between cyclist and motorist is cast and often makes cycling dangerous. Cycling SHOULD be encouraged with dedicated routes as much as possible to reduce road congestion and parking spaces. It could also help some fatties lose weight.

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    LLCK

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • It would be far better that a contra flow cycle lane is installed. I personally cycle along Bull Close Road then down to Bull Close to Cowgate then to Magdalen Street. Like water, people, pedestrians and cars use the shortest and quickest route. Planners still don't seem to grasp this concept. Look at verges and see where pedestrians have worn out the grass - that means the path should have been built there. The new St Augustine layout - nice scheme but pedestrians don't use the proper crossings as it means they have to walk further to cross there. Finally when car drivers behave on the road etc then they can criticise cyclists. If I ride on the pavement it is because my children want to see me when I get home - alive and not in a coffin. Drivers think about the cyclists kids who will be left fatherlessmotherless because of the drivers inconsideration and impatience. Bring in a contra flow cycle lane as the Police cannot Police the pavements 247.

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    NchNthMan

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Cyclists often do what they want. I have lost count of the number of times I have been in my van waiting for the lights to change and a cyclist has just looked either way to make sure it is clear before riding through red lights. I have seen so many riding along Magdalen Street the wrong way too.

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    Christopher Neave

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • This site is a nightmare.

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    Old Long Balls

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Sieze their bikes and fine them.

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    Andy T

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Bikes should be siezed and destroyed for repeat offenders and on the spot fine of £50 should be issued when initially caught. Three strikes and you're out I say. Having said this, there is never enough police presence around to control and implement this. Regards, Whiley.

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    Whiley Boy

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Sorry I don't know why my comment has posted twice.

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Yes. They dont pay to be on the road either!

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    pointer772001

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I know that the 'real' police have better things to do than round up pain in the butt cyclists,but there are specials and community police who surely have the authority to hand out fines such as these.Billy Boy,if you are being serious,and there genuinely are people with that attitude,then you should just give up driving altogether because there is always something that is going to wind you up.Why don't you just give yourself an extra ten minutes starting time if you think that the plebs of society are slowing you down? Or try an anger management course.

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    Nexus_6

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Yes. They dont pay to be on the road either!

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    pointer772001

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • No mention here about cyclists who use the road when cycle paths are provided... I'd like to think I'm a tolerant motorist, but that does get my goat when I'm stuck behind them.

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    billy boy

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Electric Vehicles and low emission vehicles do not pay RFl so thats why cyclist do not

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    turnover

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Could we keep to the rule of law over this and not a opportunity for Labour wannabes to get their unqualified options in the media.Survey of course !

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    PaulH

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • It's the minority of road users who give a bad name to the majority. This is true to cyclists as well as drivers and motorcyclists. To "ingo wagenknecht", if you go to any part of the city and watch, you'll see this sort of behaviour from some of the cyclists, including the verbal abuse for anyone who doesn't get out of their way. Do you not agree that cycling on pavements is illegal, as is proceeding the wrong way down a one-way street (excepting places like Westwick St which has specific signage to allow it)? Regardless of you view on the motivation of the report, is it not reasonable to expect people to use the roads and pavements according to the law, or doesn't that apply to cyclists? I refer you to the Highway code, rules 64, 68, 69 and 71. Having said that, I also see lots of drivers failing to stop at red lights, let alone amber (which also means stop unless it's dangerous to do so). All road users should comply with the law, not matter what form of transport they use.

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I am a cyclist and I say fine them on the spot or sieze the bike and they have to pay £30 plus to get it back.

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    turnover

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • billy boy - I can understand cyclists who prefer the road to the cycle lanes and I sympathise with them. Lots of the cycle lanes in the city are inadequate - narrow, on the worst maintained part of the road, squeezed by buses, etc. The use of a cycle lane is an advisory in the Highway Code, not a law. If they were as well maintained and enforced like the bus lanes then they'd be more suitable for the job. When they're on the road treat a cyclist just as you would any other road user - wait you time and give reasonable space when you pass and don't squeeze them into the gutter (potholes and drains are deadly to a cyclist). Don't forget, there are bad road users of all types - drivers, motorcyclists, commerical and public service vehicles - as well as cyclists. It's just that cyclists are likely to just bruise someone in a collision so the issue is dismissed, rather than taken as a serious concern.

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    So_Many_Haters!

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012

  • is anything being done to understand why so many people ride the wrong way on Magdalen St ? i'm not condoning the behaviour but i believe the cyclist is too often picked on around the city centre. what is done to drivers who block-off cycle lanes, or taxibus-drivers who cut up cyclists or drive too close to them, or pedestrians who don't look at walk in front of cyclists ? it's possible some of those people breaking the law do so because they don't feel safe on alternate, legal routes into city centre ?

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    Tim Will

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • A very sensitive subject as cyclists get so touchy about this subject,have been knocked down on a blind corner by a cyclist,it was terrible,turning off Ipswich rd into Lime Tree Rd,will never forget the pain it gave me,as he was going very quickly as well.It is not your place as a pedestrian to peep around the corner before walking around it to see if there are any speeding cyclists going to fly around it.Also it was not a cycle path he was on it was the Ipswich rd end.Had a child been in a puschchair or an elderley person God help them.Have commented lots of times on this subject but gave up on the idea as I was told to go and campaign about it or tell the cyclists off,and that pedestrians walk in the roads the list was endless.Still the cyclists are going like maniacs where the public walk,it is common place all over Norwich,it is terrible.I would like to say that I quite understand there are sensible cyclists as we know,however it is really frightening at times,I think the cyclists expect us to walk in a straight line all the time in case they decide to come flying past and take half of your flesh with them.

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    foxey

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • In the absence of police Death Wish like vigilantes have taken to Norwich streets. You can tell who they are by their curiously scarred walking sticks.

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    oldowl

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • No mention here about cyclists who use the road when cycle paths are provided... I'd like to think I'm a tolerant motorist, but that does get my goat when I'm stuck behind them.

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    billy boy

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • It is a fair point that conducting a survey on one narrow, busy street is not a fair test. How about looking at busy, wide roads which already have cycle lanes on them as well, for example, and comparing results?

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    CovCanary

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • Well said biglingers--paths should have been kept for pedestrians only.they should go on the roads.paths are for kids on fairy trikes only.now one has to dodge and pray.look at Lowestoft seafront for starters.all bike lanes. cant remember which year it all changed but it was a bad one.

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    bookworm

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • I completely agree with Tim, Its offen very unclear and inconsistent where cyclists can and cannot go. I'm confused about this comment of cyclists riding the 'wrong way' down Magdalen street too? Coming into the city the lane is a shared buss and cycle lane right? And have you ever biked down Magdalen street its pretty scary road for a cyclist. Spend the money on better cycle lanes. Surely we only want to encourage people to cycle.

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    Rae

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

  • The Whole discussion is pointless, there are no police officers left to police any changes

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    Farquarson-Smythe

    Tuesday, October 2, 2012

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