Green Party councillors are calling for action to be taken on drivers who put cyclists and pedestrians at risk.

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Norfolk County Council has allocated £315,000 to the Norfolk Road Casualty Reduction Group to improve driver skills.

Green councillor Andrew Boswell said he welcomed that cash, but said: “Some of the money should be spent finding better ways for incidents of aggressive and poor driving to be reported, and followed up.

“I would like to see a dedicated website set up where such incidents can be reported by the public with anonymity knowing that they will be fully investigated by the local constabulary.”

17 comments

  • We need better roads fit for purpose, we need all drivers of all vehicles to be policed, we should separate traffic, having vehicles going one way at 60-70mph and people coming the other way at the same speed with only a few feet between them is outright daft, and where some say about cyclists, surely the problem is cycles shouldn't mix with carsHGV's etc, the same as cars shouldn't mix with lorries, the same as roads and paths should not cross rail lines, same as you wouldn't expect there to be canoeists crossing ferry lanes, if a cyclist does whatever you have to give way to them the same as pedestrians, basically if whatever you are driving is the most dangerous, you should give way to all those who are not, cyclists, pedestrians, horse riders all have priority over vehicles, ie you have to or should have to give way to them. Some of you seem to be saying if a cyclist is in the road he has no priority to you in your car or lorry and therefor you should carry on regardless, that's outright daftness we don't need on our roads. Lets face it, the roads are a mess, but even so only a tiny percentage of anyone who uses or go's near roads like on footpaths is killed or injured by them, which on reflection is astonishing in itself and doesn't help much if it is you or someone you care for who is killed or injured. 'Speed kills', no it doesn't, no reason why we couldn't travel at the speed of light, but it would be getting to that speed or down from it that would kill you, it's all relative, diabolically routed roads, tree's, other vehicles, rivers, they all kill, speed doesn't. Inappropriate speed on roads unfit for purpose kills. 'Think bike' no, with all the money generated by road use Think why are the roads so rubbish that we have to do things like drive at 20mph rather than address the actual issue!

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    Jason Bunn

    Tuesday, September 4, 2012

  • Ingo: Agree with 90% of what you have said, however as a cyclist and motorist, I do not feel I have “the right” to pull in front of a car, my brain tells me it could hurt, so you don’t do it. I have no need to leave 10 minutes earlier, I cycle at a leisurely pace and respect the rules of the road, as a motorist I like to think I do the same thing, there are faults on all sides, good and bad, I just get slightly annoyed when it is always “the motorist”.

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    Mr T

    Tuesday, September 4, 2012

  • Mr. T chewing your snickers, there are nmo priorities on our roads, just highway users. Except for the emergency services nobody has priority, nobody has the right to abuse other traffic participants and driving off, leaving an injured or dead cyclist by the side of the road is now a frequent occurrence. If a cyclist changes lane then he does this for a purpose, he has the right to turn off in front of you and you will just have to adjust your haste and anger, leave 10 minutes earlier. Relax boar.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Tuesday, September 4, 2012

  • Whatever is the point of crushing cars, when so many people could benefit from them instead - just confiscate them and give them away or sell them cheaply, that's much more responsible. Anyway, I feel that some of the money should be spent finding better ways for incidents of aggressive and poor cycling to be reported, and followed up. As a cyclist, I'm fed up with some of the behaviour of other cyclists on the roads. Finally, hopefully some of this money can be directed towards improving motorcycle safety, particularly by removing street furniture and dangerously placed trees, and on providing machine control training in off-road environments instead of propping up the old IAM style of training again.

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    john smith

    Sunday, September 2, 2012

  • Good points. My suggestion is a campaing aimed at car drivers to leave their homes ten minutes earlier. Secondly, making cycling to school safer by a county wide campaign to voluntarily give children on bikes priority in traffic between 8am-9. Lastly dedicated cycle path will encourage cycle tourism and safer cycling.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, September 3, 2012

  • Hang on, why is it dangerous drivers? I would suggest they may be better focusing on dangerous cyclist and pedestrians. It seems to be a small percentage of cyclists and pedestrians think they are indistructable, if you charge out in front of a moving car either walking ot cycling, it will hurt. There are faults on all sides but to just target the motorist again is a typical political answer to a more complex issue. And as NRG suggests, heavy fines and crushing, preferably for the cyclists who terrorise the pedestrians by hammering along pavements and precincts totally oblivious to anything or anyone else around them, that would be a good starting point.

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    Mr T

    Tuesday, September 4, 2012

  • Speaking as a cyclist as well as a motorist, there is one major problem with two of the points made in this comments section. Firstly with regard giving cyclists priority for an hour in the morning, a very well meaning idea but the problem here is that many cyclists I see when cycling and driving already believe they have priority and think nothing of just turning right in front of you, no lifesaver look, no signal almost as if they believe you can mind read where they are going. The second point (which drives me absolutely nuts!) is that in GY we are very lucky and have a good network of cycle lanes and cycle paths and most of the time you can drive down the road following a cyclist that just won't use the cycle path three feet away that has been provided at great expense to us taxpayers (just run down Gapton Hall Road to see what I mean)!

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    Focus1

    Sunday, September 9, 2012

  • Why is the EDP delayingbinning suggestions and comments?

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, September 3, 2012

  • 300,000k for better driving omg!! What's needed is to get traffic plod up and about, hefty fines and the crushing of uninsured or no mot'ed vehicles ..simples.

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    nrg

    Sunday, September 2, 2012

  • How much would it cost to give every cyclist in the county a copy of the highway code? So few seem to be aware of its contents.

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    robotsthatcare

    Sunday, September 2, 2012

  • Perhaps they might like to look at the large 4 x 4's some with blacked out windows, especially in the Yarmouth Harfreys and Bradwell areas. They are usually on the phone (there are 4 that I have witnessed and taken the numbers), they park where they like forcing people onto the road, and generally dont give a fig for other road users, motorists or cyclists. This includes large Cheverloet pickups as well.

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    "V"

    Monday, September 3, 2012

  • Leaving ten minutes earlier if you drive a car makes for less stress and less hassle in traffic, you can be more aware when without haste, that was my point. Jason is also right, the roads are badly maintained and not up to the use they get, because we forever build new roads extending the maintenance brief and making it an unsustainable system. Building roads with mandatory cycle pedestrian path next to it is not a requirement, its an add on and when one goes out to Cringleford and looks at the new housing cut off from shops and other roads, with no cycle path, then we can see what planners think.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Wednesday, September 5, 2012

  • Bad driving or a near miss is nigh on impossible to police and there are no official channels you can take to report such incidents knowing that some sort of action will be taken. You can report it to the police but you know full well it will disappear to the bottom of the pile when at the time, all you want is for the offending driver to be pulled from their car and given a face full of mace by local plod (or is that just me?). Local authorities won't do anything about "danger roads" unless blood is spilt (usually a cyclist or motorcyclist) and even then it's just an apathetic two week campaign checking for speeders. It doesn't help that dangerous driving is dealt with such leniancy and inconsitancy by the courts. How can one man be put in prison for speeding, "potentially putting lives at risk" and another walk free for causing death by dangerous driving seemingly becase it was only a motorcyclist or cyclist (dangerous contraptions, they had it coming your honour)? Perhaps there should be a limit to the amount of private driving licences dished out each year or an increase in the age limit for driving, forcing people to seek other means of transport, getting away from driving being a rights of passage into adulthood?

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    frank young

    Wednesday, September 5, 2012

  • Far from making this a mudslinging event we should try and find some solutions to our abysmal record. I very much welcome better safety, so how about an information campaign asking drivers to leave ten minutes earlier and take their time to go from A to B, it would benefit in some ways. Also, a one hour 'cycle priority' during morning school times, promoted by all councils and schools to parents and the general public, asking drivers to voluntarily give cycling students the priority from 8.00am to 9am could be an option. Prosecuting those hit and run drivers who injure or kill cyclists must be of a high priority tom PCC's. Norfolk is missing out on cycle tourists, the speed limit, which was changed in Suffolk some ten years ago, should be 30mph, In all villages, no more excuses, because every day a person dies on Norfolk's roads.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, September 3, 2012

  • When my post is up, to follow on, the advert where they say hit a child at 40mph 80% chance they die, hit them at 30mph 80% chance they live, that is the stupidity of road safety what essentially is saying, if you are going to run a child over, do it at 30mph, they may not walk again, may be totally paralysed, may lose an arm or a leg, but they'll live. Well that's just great! Whereas I would say make it impossible for anyone who is a pedestrian to be run over at all, that is improving road safety you wallies!!!!! No-one run over, at all, ever again, man woman or child.

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    Jason Bunn

    Tuesday, September 4, 2012

  • Ingo, regarding your comment: "…leaving an injured or dead cyclist by the side of the road is now a frequent occurrence". Oh I know, our roads are littered with dead, dying and injured cyclists. Seriously, that comment is nearly as stupid as Mr Boswells website idea. There are good and bad drivers, cyclists, bikers and pedestrians. It’s the bad from all categories that need to be targeted. Also, there should be more cycle lanes and routes and I am sure more people would use them.

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    EdChed

    Wednesday, September 5, 2012

  • Green councillor Andrew Boswell said he would like to see a dedicated website set up where such incidents can be reported by the public with anonymity knowing that they will be fully investigated by the local constabulary. How can the Police fully investigate any incidents which are reported anonymously? Surely they need witness details or you'll have everyone with a grudge reporting people with no comeback on them.

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    Norfolk and Good

    Tuesday, September 4, 2012

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