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   21/09/2009, 10:33 AM
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Re: North East Norfolk Under Attack
I just wish that there was a way to call these councillors out. There ought to be a way for an Ombudsman to be required to get involved very early on in these sort of matters if the electorate do not feel that the council is acting with integrity. I think Broadland Council has passed some very bad plans over the last 10 years or so and wonder if they are little empire builders or are actually corrupt. Either way they need stopping in their tracks.


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   21/09/2009, 10:33 AM
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Thanks for the report on that szygy, they are mongering again then. If you want to know who is gaining from this development look no further at the land owners next to the bypass, they are also the principal supporters of the NDR.
 
The term eco town is propaganda, as they can't provide the jobs or are prepared to say how many of them will be affordable housing. They should not take the word eco in vain, because its getting a little long in the tooth, more greenwash around than anything else.
 
Any housing that does not use locally grown or sourced materials which also lock up CO2 in the building process, will be creating CO2 in the manufacturing of cheap nasty building materials to then be shifted to Norfolk and used for thewir green nosing eco town.
Unless there are eco jobs and a benign form of public transport that does not get stuck in the morning rush hour, this will be an eco herring, a new term coined here and now. nevermind

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   21/09/2009, 10:38 AM
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Another small point, get yourselve an Independent candidate in Norwich North and Mid Norfolk, make sure that you have somebody who will stand up against this lot and is accountable to locals at the next GE, you do not have to take this predetermination and nannying by your planners and mongers. nevermind
 

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   21/09/2009, 10:57 AM
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Forgot to mention that there is a pot of gold on offer to Broadland from the Government for agreeing to the eco scheme.

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   21/09/2009, 11:05 AM
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 syzygy wrote:
Forgot to mention that there is a pot of gold on offer to Broadland from the Government for agreeing to the eco scheme.
A crock of s... more likely, any section 106 agreements that might make the deal sweeter are pie in the sky, they cannot be enforced not can their implementation be determined with regards to phasing, so don't believe a word you are hearing from our self centred politicians and local councillors who are all out and eager to cut services, but not their own jobs or that of their departments.
The jobs that are promised are service jobs, burger flipping, golf ball collecting, turf manicure, serving those few who can afford to Conference in Norfolk.
Norwich and Norfolk have already excellent Conferenceing facillities at UEA and various other facillities. We have no multi puirpose concert /sports hall, but as the 'talking man's town' we have to have a Conference centre? why? where is the need? nevermind

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   21/09/2009, 11:08 AM
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I think it is time to get out the woad myself. Bgguer these idiot normal for norfolk campaigns , let's declare independence- we are quite big enough to operate as a state in the EU

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   21/09/2009, 1:57 PM
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Head for the ex- Beetly dump (sorry recycling area)  and then go the other way for the Woad farm.
3 miles north of Dereham, where the girls are so pretty.

Passports will be required beyond Brandon. Or is that " One Step Beyond"

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   25/09/2009, 8:51 PM
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Eco-town dominates Norfolk election
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/News/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=enonline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED24%20Sep%202009%2016%3A07%3A14%3A357

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   25/09/2009, 9:43 PM
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Doesn't mean they will get a mandate from lazy voters, if less than fifty % vote in the election, what is it worth?
 
An eco town as proposed is wrong, its not an eco townif it has no dedicated connections, if it forces people to use the car to get into Norwich for services.
A proper eco town with jobs to go to nearvy, when people can cycle to work and were there is a public transport system that is not a bus stuck in traffic, then it is a worth while idea.
If Eco towns have their own form of Government and make decisions for their services and arrange to undertake them, to save travelling for everything to Norwich or Mid Norfolk, then thats worth thinking about as well.
 
If the new owners of the Eco town decide to generate their own electricity, than that should be possible, because if one is not allowed to better the parameters of an eco town and is strangled by outdated CO2 wasting council practises, whether its planning or preferences for certain but not other methods of building, then we are far removed from an ecotown.
 
They are using a term they do not understand and what they are planning is some scheme were a national builder, of the like's of Carters, Balfour Batty or Kier all compete to earn themselves an eco nose, greenwash of the worst kind.
 
I hope that the Independent will be replaced by an Independent, not some trumped up soldier, who can't relate to anything else, or party politicians who are told by their cabinet leaders when to put up the hand and vote for dogma. nevermind.

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   02/10/2009, 1:52 PM
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Lib Dem victories in Wroxham. Voters in the Wroxham area chose a teenager to lead them into the battle against an eco-town.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/default/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED02%20Oct%202009%2010%3A59%3A00%3A407


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   03/10/2009, 1:34 PM
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 Storm wrote:

Lib Dem victories in Wroxham. Voters in the Wroxham area chose a teenager to lead them into the battle against an eco-town.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/default/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED02%20Oct%202009%2010%3A59%3A00%3A407

A sad day indeed. An Independent councillor being replaced with a dogmatic party politician. Its not that the Lib Dems have spoken out against the developments, they are sitting on the fence, they are not opposed to the development.
Politics is going down the pan, no need to have a general election really, just give it to the Tories and be done with, we can save the money it costs and still get the same result, there is no fun in voting anymore and the parties have made sure of it. nevermind

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   03/10/2009, 3:02 PM
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A sad day says nevermind. I think it is a great day. Firstly, that young people can be engaged in the political process instead of the dead hand of the usual types who put themselves forward. Chloe Smith was a little older but her election was of a higher profile and she is not the only one. The time is coming to hand over the baton to those who are going to be subject to the longer term decisions which are now being taken. Lets face it they come from a generation less likely to be awed by the protocol or cant.

Secondly, Ben McGilvray showed not only a clear understanding of the issues but articulated them in a way which captured the attention of voters.
He was the only candidate who recognised the folly of the policies being promoted by the council and recognised the anger it has generated in the area. The Tories think because they have a big majority that they can do what they like. Decisions taken in the Cabinet system are not the view, or even in some cases with the knowledge, of the whole council.

I bet there are a few sitting Liberal Democrat Councillors on Broadland District Council who have just had a wake up call as well.

As for the independence of independent councillors, the previous incumbent was originally elected as a conservative and for most of his tenure supported Tory policies.
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   03/10/2009, 4:11 PM
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I am sick of all this party politics who cares what party they represent. As long as they are their own people and represent the electorate who voted them in. We need politician who will listen and act on the views of the people they represent and not just become party hacks like so many of them today. Yes nevermind it would be nice to have lots of Independents but most can't get a foot in the door because of our archaic political system.

And politics needs some new fresh thinking young independent thinking people to replace the idiots that have run the country for the last 30 years or so, because a bigger mess could not have been made even if they tried to.


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   03/10/2009, 6:16 PM
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Richard, I do not begrudge young Ben his new addition of chaws, I merely find it sad that not one Independent saw it fit locally to stand up and give the top down centralist and remote party poiticians a run for their money.
 
I do not question his personal resolve and environmental understanding, but I question his ability to work against his own party apparatschiks direction should that become necessarry.
I hear what you have to say about Independent Conservatives and their drang to hide underneath the mantle of a bigger party, thats just it, politics is so much in need of reform, locally as much as nationally and a proper PR system (STV or AMS) can work wonders, it would force politicians to work together in coalitions, to gain the leeway and larger mandate.
 
Ideally these coalitions work best if they are offered to voters before an election, if two parties are standing on a commong policy framework. If Lib Dems really like PR and want to see it, why are they not pursuing such coalitions, same question to the Greens, are they not ready for it, have they got too many personal ego differences and past shadows they can't jump over?
What have they difference got to do with their job, should they not put people before a personal inability to cooperate?
 
We shall see how the young man is able to stand up against his own Lib Dem scrutineers. I agree it will make a few ol' codgers sit up and listen, I wish him well, as sad as it is. nevermind

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   08/10/2009, 8:16 PM
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The Joint Core Strategy was signed off this week and will be available for the public to review for two weeks in November. The consultations which were undertaken have largely been ignored (no surprise there then) and this huge document with rafts of supporting paper can only be assessed for 'soundness'; by whom it is not clear, presumably the authors.

How good was the consultation, well only 356 responses were received, of which 78 were from individuals and a significant number from those who you would say needed to declare an interest.

The new policy seems to be that if you drown the public in enough paper that only those in public office will have time to respond and you will be able to get away with anything. The trouble is that our councillors seem to be on their side. No council other than at parish level has demurred.
In the North East of Norwich this will be a minimum of 10,000 houses, but only if you ignore their intention to exclude from that number the extras that will be required in Service Villages.


Hands up if you think 21,000 houses are needed in Norwich ie about 40,000 to 50,000 additional residents. The present Norwich City population is 135,000 so it represents an increase of over 35%. Even if you take it on the Norwich go to work area (however they define that) it is still 14%.
Where did this number come from? The East of England Regional Assembly, elected by nobody.


The question is did Storm not warn us all of the scale of this in the original post. Now it is set in stone and your only recourse is to write directly to the government or maybe representatives of the government in waiting. Of course if it will not affect you sit on your hands and hope it will go away!

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