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Your Rubbish, Your Choice
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 03/07/2006, 9:32 PM
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CAT HI DRIVE
Joined on 10/06/2006
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LANDFILL OR INCINERATER OR 100 % RECYCLE
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A man i used to be freinds with (now dead cancer) work the harford bridges tip (near tesco s ) he told of all sorts of waste being dumped the likes of hospital waste (needels to body parts) at the time may & bakers waste products( chemicals unwashed drums etc ) asbestos blue & grey, and many after hours loads.
The tip is a unlined so all the liquids are running in the ground with a river along side the site.
This is not the only site round norwich costessey tip was a huge hole at one time now its all capped off ok some of this pit is lined but not all of it again with a river running at the bottom of it (with good fishing they say)
so incinerate the waste and make it a air born danger least we get a bit of electric from it or do we need sizewell c and just hope it dont melt down and contamanate 100s of miles.
100% recycle well old nappies,dog poo,food waste,medical waste,and soiled recyclable iterms have to go some where untill the us humans can do away with any thing what cant be recycled we must get rid of it some where !
just face it there will all ways be rubbish till we get our act together !
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05/07/2006, 12:17 AM
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PLASTICMASTER
Joined on 31/03/2006
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Re: LANDFILL OR INCINERATER OR 100 % RECYCLE
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CAT HI DRIVE why incinerate with airbourne toxin pollutants at £50 per tonne with a C20th century technology, when for all mixed waste Plasma-Gasification module plant (a C21st) century thermal technology will do a similiar thing at £21 per tonne waste??. Modules are 30,000Tpa capacity and one can scale up to the required tonnage. PG produces captured Hygrogen and Carbon Monoxide for Energy production, heat, and vitrified solids/ ingots. The capital costs/tonne are cheaper than an incinerator and it is a third of the height. As the temperatures reach 5,000-11,000 degrees C, there are no Dioxin, Acid Gases or PM2.5/PM1 production one gets in incineration. One can use vitrified aggregate residue in construction as it is hard and stabilised like volcanic rock (basalt/ obsidian like). They are usued extensively in Canada and on Ships such as Cruise Liners and Aircraft Carriers. Naval serviceman will know this. Now Pyro Genesis has brought this technology to the UK, and it is readily available in the UK, see website.
Basically Incineration is a "Dirty Technology" producing "Brown Energy" that belongs to the garbage can. They emit deadly PM2.5 and PM1s that cut peoples life short, and deadly trace dioxins. Their are no safe levels for the worlds most carcinogenic substance. The toxic fly ash and bottom ashes have to be disposed of in specialist dumps. Norwiches waste ash will be disposed to Peterborough and Essex.
I am not keen on any thermal technologies per say, but if you want the least polluting choose PG. Medical and engineering experts share this view (Van Steenis/ Ryan etc).
Zero Waste Centres, AD plants, Tunnel Composting and MBT plants can recycle 90% of all refuse and resource recover these into 12 main resource groups. Plasma Gasification is a last backstop thermal solution for the most difficult 5-10% of waste.
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07/01/2007, 4:10 PM
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Linda
Joined on 27/10/2006
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Re: LANDFILL OR INCINERATER OR 100 % RECYCLE
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You forgot to add that the alternative bid to the proposed incinerator in Norwich (site now not known) is an MBT and AD plant at Costessey NEWS site. Also, I've heard that NEWS/SRM have approached Norfolk County Council for funding to recycle plastics themselves - and MAKE A PROFIT from it. Has anyone heard if NCC have had the guts to stump up the funds?
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03/02/2007, 8:34 AM
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captain_planet
Joined on 11/07/2006
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Re: LANDFILL OR INCINERATER OR 100 % RECYCLE
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 CAT HI DRIVE wrote: | |
A man i used to be freinds with (now dead cancer) work the harford bridges tip (near tesco s ) he told of all sorts of waste being dumped the likes of hospital waste (needels to body parts) at the time may & bakers waste products( chemicals unwashed drums etc ) asbestos blue & grey, and many after hours loads.
The tip is a unlined so all the liquids are running in the ground with a river along side the site.
This is not the only site round norwich costessey tip was a huge hole at one time now its all capped off ok some of this pit is lined but not all of it again with a river running at the bottom of it (with good fishing they say)
so incinerate the waste and make it a air born danger least we get a bit of electric from it or do we need sizewell c and just hope it dont melt down and contamanate 100s of miles.
100% recycle well old nappies,dog poo,food waste,medical waste,and soiled recyclable iterms have to go some where untill the us humans can do away with any thing what cant be recycled we must get rid of it some where !
just face it there will all ways be rubbish till we get our act together !
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The 'Tip' you are refering to near Harford Bridges, Norwich, was a Transfer Station owned by City Works and was NOT a Landfill. City Works (Now City Care) closed the Transfer Station in the mid 90's.
This Transfer Station did recycle quite a bit of materiel in the 70's, 80's & early 90's (metals, cardboard etc) that would've ended up in Norfolk Enviroment Waste's Services (NEWS) Landfill at Costessey. WHICH is actually about half a mile from the River Tud and divided by Costessey Park Golf Coarse. This Landfill is also pushing 30 years old and you are right, not lined in the early days. So where is the evidence of enviromental damage??? A lush Golf Coarse right next door. A river teaming with fish??? I suggest you take a drive to Longwater Business Park, turn right at the Roundabout and head up to the big green building (Waste Recycling Groups Depot... yes the old planned Incinerator land) and take a look at the rear of EMR's scrap yard, over to the Capped Landfill. I'd bet 99% of you wouldn't even know it was a Landfill, It has been planted up with trees and is covered in long green grass. Admitedly there are a few methane pipes pretruding from the ground. Other than that it will be a haven for wildlife, as the land cannot now be used for anything else.
I work in the Industry for a leading waste company in the area, and I have done for many years now.
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15/02/2007, 9:55 PM
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CAT HI DRIVE
Joined on 10/06/2006
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Re: LANDFILL OR INCINERATER OR 100 % RECYCLE
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The tip at harford bridges is now a big green hill if you where to stand wear the transfer station was and look towards the rail way bridge then right a bit thats the old tip this old tip contains many iterms from firms like may and bakers and other long gone city companys this has been closed years the man i was on about worked there i think in the 60s/70s i was talking to a work mate who done a bit of time on the site he said it had fires which burnt for some time due to waste getting alight .
Iam not getting facts out of my head its in the name cat hi drive ( caterpiller D6 M ) one of my tools for landfill work construction, filling, and renstating to which ive been on landfill site all over east anglia for a lot of the big players in the game longwater been there .
iam sure if you find a old harford plant hire driver they probley know some one whos done a bit of time on the old tip or even find a ex phelan plant hire man who done the work on it about 10/12 years ago and ask them what p.p.e. they had to where on the job.
ANY WAY DONT WASTE IT RECYCLE AND RE USE !
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