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24/10/2009, 5:38 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Storm as I said, Griffin is not witout his supporters, those who are held in thrall by his powers of reasoning and his oratorical skills... ...the no-neck knuckle-dragging microcephalic sociopaths are, alas, a feature of the British race you are at liberty to vote BNP... because people - not just White Caucasians but Asians, Africans and other races and ethnic groups - fought and died to protect that very freedom of expression from the sort of folk that you choose to vote for such is the generosity, and the irony, of the pluralist democratic system - with all its faults and weaknesses    Report

24/10/2009, 6:12 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Well no - I couldn't bring myself to vote for the BNP.  I wouldn't like that lot in power.  Call it sitting on the fence but the BNP are the sh***y end of the stick which I would only grab by the middle or towards the Conservative end.  All I really ask is to be able to voice my own opinions in the hope of reasoned discussion, but more often than not meet with an instant barrage of emotional over reaction.  It is as if the middle classes (very broadly speaking) are just terrified of moving outside the multicultural guidelines  for fear of being rejected by their clan.  The attitude is 'OF COURSE we think everyone should be able to come to this country and have everything they want and need. Anyone who doesn't agree with us is a racist!'   Why can't they say 'mmm, well we agree it hasn't worked out as well as we hoped it would'. What I want is an end to integration by force.  example.  Not enough 'ethnic minorities' are seen enjoying walking in the Lake District so they must be encouraged to do so - almost by force.  I say,  let them decide for themselves.  The man with a very strong Carribean accent who announces for the BBC - he has a marvellous rich voice  but it annoys me that he does not speak or intonate in a suitably anodyne BBC English accent.  He should not have been given the job of an announcer.   Close your eyes and Moira Stewart used to sound like the Queen, only better.  She's out because she sounded too posh I'm afraid.... not authentic.    Report

24/10/2009, 6:32 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. It seems my views are not so unpopular - http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Voters-Would-Consider-BNP-Daily-Telegraph-Poll-Finds-After-Nick-Griffin-Question-Time-Appearance/Article/200910415414525?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15414525_Voters_Would_Consider_BNP%2C_Daily_Telegraph_Poll_Finds_After_Nick_Griffin_Question_Time_Appearance Of course this was only on Sky - you wouldn't expect to see it on the BBC website.....    Report

24/10/2009, 6:34 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time.  Doctor K wrote: The hostility to immigrants (i.e. those apparently new to this country) is based on numbers.  The loss of jobs, for whatever reasons, and the overwhelmed NHS are justifiable grievances.  I don't think this has anything to do with racism. That is something else. When I was young, living in a rural area, our well-intentioned ex-missionary local vicar imported an African family to live in our village.  We all fell over ourselves to be nice and helpful to them and included them in village life.  No problems for us at least - I can't speak for the lonely African family.   But if the vicar or the family had invited several more families....the welcome might not have been quite so universal. That's just how it is with humans.  Natural instincts can't be forced to change - another way must be found.   If this country was prosperous and confident we could cope with a much higher level of immigration.  But the opposite is true. As we sink back into obscurity no amount of reason will push aside the instinct to blame others.  It's not being uneducated but being unwilling. Exactly the same feeling that is engrained in the Afghan population, they are welcoming to all, but if you outstay your welcome or increase your demands on their hospitality, you quickly find out that they are capable to make you leave.   So we are not that far removed from those muslim Taliban attitudes  within our righteous right today, Nick and Geert will be pleased to hear. If its not uneducated for you to feel that way, dear Doktor, as you say, would it be uneducated of Governments world wide to send back expats, for the same reasoning so they can demand their place in blighty? expats who in many cases would have never set foot on British soil but by right of birth own a britsh passport? Those who work for you, here in Britain, are doing so because the employers employing them are either not satisfied with the quality of British workmanship, finish or education, the fact that they can't work hard and are unable to get out of bed at 5am to be at work for 6 might much more close to the truth then anything else.   But as others rightly have noticed immigration is used to confuse debate, just as the talk about returning the hunting ban, these are the two most emotive subjects in Britain, still. An island full of explorers sailors and discoverers, with colonies and a large empire of past, spreading its weight all over the place,  but doesn't like it when the roles are reversed, what a surprise, little islanders, or is it Englanders have universal appeal, dare I include the Scots and Welsh in this feeling.    Why should we not discuss to drop all borders and immigration restrictions, because that what Mandelson wants to discuss in the WTO Trade negotiations, makes sense? or does it? nevermind          Report

24/10/2009, 6:34 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Doctor K "The attitude is 'OF COURSE we think everyone should be able to come to this country and have everything they want and need. Anyone who doesn't agree with us is a racist!' really? how many people do you know, personally, who would recognise that as their attitude/ STRAW MANNING, Doctor K, is second only to sophistry in the armoury of the intellectual fraudster and the moral coward 'All I really ask is to be able to voice my own opinions in the hope of reasoned discussion' could well have been words spoken by Nick Griffin he had his chance he was stitched up by Aunty but even when he DID have the opportunity to voice his own opinions he fluffed his lines the man is an oaf and he's the best that they have to offer! which is why I maintain that only the seriously moronic tiny minority in this country will vote BNP    Report

24/10/2009, 6:48 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. I meet many people with the liberal ideas I complain about, but I will say they are mostly quite young professionals.  That worries me.    Report

24/10/2009, 9:01 PM Storm Joined on 27/07/2009 Posts 377 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. For those that don't believe that the BNP are not gaining big support, I suggest that they examine the comments following this article in the Daily Mail. Please note that the Mail is anti BNP also noting the green and red arrows, next to the comments. Green arrows indicate approval, red arrows disapproval http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222586/The-BNP-backlash--MPs-accuse-BBC-playing-Nick-Griffins-hands-stage-managing-Question-Time-onslaught.html This is fairly typical of comments and views across the country on other forums and readers comments on many other newspaper websites. Something is happening the people are beginning to revolt.    Report

24/10/2009, 9:59 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. unsurprisingly, that does not answer my question a Griffin-esque polemical sleight of hand "The attitude is 'OF COURSE we think everyone should be able to come to this country and have everything they want and need. Anyone who doesn't agree with us is a racist!' " you are putting words in their mouths STRAW MANNING set 'em up, shoot 'em down in flames a poor man's sophistry another Griffin-esque rhetorical device who did you say you'd vote for?    Report

24/10/2009, 10:01 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. "Something is happening the people are beginning to revolt." Mosleyite rabble-rousing, Storm    Report

24/10/2009, 10:14 PM gitshagger Joined on 05/01/2009 kent/norfolk Posts 262 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. In my adopted home town there a number of streets which are refered to as `bedsit land`, once occupied by students and waifs and strays it is now almost excusivley home to asylum seekers, mainly african. As an ex railway town it has many hundreds of railway houses, often just two up two down with a bog tacked on the back. these have been the first homes for young people and their families for years but they are now rapidly filling up with moslem families. All three of the towns main three council estates are getting more and more people from abroad as residents. Whole chnks of affordable housing going to people who in my opinion should not get housed if this means our own people going without. Jack Straw says that his constituency has a 30% ethnic minority, I believe town after town will end up the same and it will happen sooner than we think. I keep hearing the words `indiginous population` refered to as if they are some kind of dirt, like it or not my leftie freinds our own people have rights as well you know! Leftie thinking regards `international socailism` {for want of a better term} as the answer to all our ills but all this `we are all the same, we can all live together` claptrap will just lead us into another Yugoslavia. British people wether they are black white jews catholics or like me a mixture of God knows who should come first, they should come first every time and in every way and if this means knocking back people from abroad then so be it. John  An expert on everything who is always right and general big `ead.    Report

24/10/2009, 10:17 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Not your business who I vote for Buku but I don't mind telling you.  I'm a wary Conservative thru and thru and always have been. So who do you vote for?    Report

24/10/2009, 10:58 PM ADRIAN-W Joined on 15/08/2003 Posts 797 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. One of the 505 comments from Mail on Line, The green ticks overwhelmingly out number red ticks , Oh I forgot the greens would all be from Mail reading BNP Neanderthals , ---------------"It was a deliberate political ambush by the leftist BBC on the BNP.The panel selection was blatantly biased. The supposed 'impartial' member was a black American woman with attitude and the Tory representative was an (unelected ) Asian. The audience was predominately negro, Asian or Muslim. All in all Nick Griffin conducted himself well under such circumstances. The arrogant out of touch liblabcon conspiracy are shaking in their boots. The BNP are the only party to listen to the concerns of the British people while the three main parties are only concerned on how much they can coin in on expenses - t. nicholson, Bedale "------------- I wonder if David Bumble Bee has ever encouraged a QT audience to Boo and jeer a panelist before ?    Report

25/10/2009, 6:51 AM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Doctor K I didn't ask you who you voted for I asked you who you would vote for moi? always voted Labour not next time as I now live in a Tory stronghold, I'll vote Green if there's a Green candidate. if there isn't, LibDem    Report

25/10/2009, 7:03 AM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. DRAIN "I wonder if David Bumble Bee has ever encouraged a QT audience to Boo and jeer a panelist before ?" I have to agree with you there in fact I have already posted that view... Dimblebum was disgraceful and the studio audience was rigged and the conventional QT format was dropped in favour of a Griffin-bashing exercise if that had happened to any other political party, there would be a tad more than a few hundred complaints to Aunty... total waste of time, and an insult to the viewers Griffin acquitted himself as one might expect - very poorly. he's simply not up to the task. he's a cambridge-educated oaf. now that MaxMosley is on the hunt for a job having been driven [sic] out of FI... maybe he could take the reins? the BNP have adopted classic neo-Mosleyite 'blame "the Other" [whatever] for all of your ills' tactics crude and nasty rabble-rousing we've seen it all before... this will appeal to people like you, DRAIN no-neck microcephalic knuckle-dragging sociopaths if the BNP under FPTP ever manage to get an MP into Westminster before 2099 I'll eat my hat: under PR, they'd have one or two by now: "go back to your caves/crawl back under your stones and prepare for Gummint"    Report

25/10/2009, 8:26 AM Storm Joined on 27/07/2009 Posts 377 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time.  Doctor K wrote: Well no - I couldn't bring myself to vote for the BNP.  I wouldn't like that lot in power.  Call it sitting on the fence but the BNP are the sh***y end of the stick which I would only grab by the middle or towards the Conservative end.  You are very lucky Doctor K that you can find a place to grab that stick at all. Because from what I can see the entire stick is covered in how did you put it sh*t. and you are liable getting far more on your hands where you have had a tendency to grab. It might be a good idea to go and wash your hands now.    Report

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