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 31/07/2009, 8:35 AM
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Storm
 
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31/07/2009, 7:10 PM
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Storm
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01/08/2009, 8:47 AM
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viking
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There was a very interesting discussion on Radio Norfolk yesterday with contributors including John Fuller the Chairman of South Norfolk District Council and the Greater Norwich Development Partnership and Steven Heard the Chairman of SNUB.
The councillor averred that they were only responding to the developers needs and that they could not impose these locations.
He then went on to tell listeners that in South Norfolk a plan to construct a Rackheath type development joining Wyndham and Hethersett had been successfully dismissed, gave a lie to that claim. Well done to him for foisting this horrendous scheme on anther council.
He later went on to criticise nimbyism!!!
Broadland residents have seen massive development in Thorpe Marriott and Dussindale. Rackheath will be bigger than the sum of both.
One of Steven Heard's more telling points was that councils do not listen and he highlighted this by noting that a submission by his group had not even been read by officers in Broadland Council.
The latest revelations about the Norfolk hub trumpeted in the EDP last Monday also show that there is a lack of honesty between the political class and their constituents.
Do not despair this is not a foregone conclusion there is too much suspicion for it not to be put under intense public scrutiny. It is about money not what is needed for the community.
BDC were asked about the affordable housing allocation in the recent development of over 200 houses at Rackheath because it seemed a very small percentage. The response was that their Housing Needs Survey showed that the development contained adequate provision to meet the requirements. Now suddenly we need thousands of new houses.
I think it is to boost the coffers of Councils and the income of developers. The community are dismissed as irrelevant.
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01/08/2009, 9:25 AM
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paul woodhouse
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On the subject of hotels and the like, was i right or was i dreaming when i read about a proposed 8,000 bedroom conference centre for the new Rackheath development. If it is true thenwhat is the long term prospects for such a centre, more importantly the transport infrastructure will need to be good for a start. Does anyone know how big the nelson hotel is, this must be dwarfed by the proposed development.
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01/08/2009, 3:58 PM
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Storm
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04/08/2009, 9:56 PM
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06/08/2009, 1:28 PM
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viking
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How do we assess the democratic process in the third millenium? At times it feels as though we are returning to feudal days with landowners deciding what course of action is in their interests and ignoring the genuine protests of those who will be adversely affected. They even have a dismissive way of describing them. NIMBY. If it is in my backyard am I not allowed to protest about how it affects me? Nobody else will.
Then there are the Councils who justify everything on the grounds that they consulted interested parties. It is not democracy if those consultees are ignored - often without any justification.
Finally a government who issue unquantifiable quotas for building or even claim hat they are more acceptable because they carry an ECO label. Every house built in this country should meet that standard. The building consortiums should not be able to get away with lowest acceptable level construction.
We are being cheated by bad governance.
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06/08/2009, 3:11 PM
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Rupert
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Blame the people who elected them - and don't forget those who couldn't be bothered to vote.
Rupert
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06/08/2009, 3:46 PM
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viking
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Rupert
Trite, simplistic and patently ridiculous
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06/08/2009, 4:58 PM
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Storm
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We are going to get these houses whether we like it or not, there are many spurious claims as to why they are needed. The general public will get say that is all.
The word nimby get on my nerves, it's over used in an attempt make people feel guilty about complaining.
They should complain, after all many of them have bought a property overlooking arable land, with the belief that there was little or no chance of their views ever being spoilt or taken away. Now out of the blue they find there’s a bloody great housing estate planned there with a major dual carriageway passing close by.
As for the politicians all we get is a deadly hush, they do not give a damn about their electorate, or the preservation of Broadland. They know where their bread buttered.
As for infrastructure Anglian water state that they will be ok to 2030. I say to them for Gods sake wake up 2030 is not far away, the river Wensum/ Waveney have already been severely damaged by abstraction. Two dry consecutive years and you/we are in serious trouble. If you look at some of the tributaries today they are becoming a trickle. Anglian Water you have no proper storage.
This is no more than an attempt by the government to build it is way out of recession. Then again perhaps the houses will be needed unless someone gets to grip with immigration. But that's another subject.
Who do they think they are kidding?
Who said you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time?
Wake up everybody.
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06/08/2009, 5:51 PM
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viking
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Nevermind
I do think you answered your own question to a large extent. The voting system in this country is unfair but it is unlikely to be changed because it is biased towards the two parties who have the power in this land. Only a very few constituencies have majorities which, given typical swings in the voters preferences will influence the make up of the government. The rest, who might wish to vote for anyone else have no influence whatsoever on this process.
Those who do not vote are not only the 'pathetic' but also the disillusioned, the disenfranchised and the 'none of the above'. There are many others who believe it is a pointless exercise. Those who have governed this country since 1945 have engaged in a useless idealogical battle. What have we had in return? We have been led into a wilderness of self interest and greed. But hey this is not a treatise on the system just a justification of my former posting.
Blaming all of this on the electorate is profoundly wrong. It may need a revolution.
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06/08/2009, 7:47 PM
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nevermind
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Ok, but with whom,? if the electorate cannot see further than the salt in the butter, what chance has a revolution got?
A tax boycott? Should it be that someone takes the news of another 50 billion and runs with it at the next general election? i.e. 'give us our money back'?
I'm afraid to start a revolution one will have to have a go at what distracts people from doing anything. TV, footie, cricket, how else would one attract attention to the bancruptcy were are being led into by self serving swines?
I can agree with you on the issue of housing, all housing should be warm and comfortable, ideally lock up carbon within its building material and have some self sufficiency features, but these eco developments so talked up are not what is required, our planning system needs reform to take account of the changes, become more broadly orientated and let people get on with providing their own green schemes, instead of interfering and stalling at all times. There is no level playing field in planning, just as in the aptly described voting reform arena, there is no impetus for positive change, those within the public sector are more interested in the status quo than in reform of the system, same as it ever was is a big mantra.
I think that Independents will become more important, their detachment from national party politics, should they manage to breach the local trust barrier, could provide us with a new focus for local politics, ideally elected by a PR system.
Compulsion to vote is a debating point, how to present it and bring it in is another. nevermind
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06/08/2009, 7:52 PM
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Rupert
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 viking wrote: | ...
Blaming all of this on the electorate is profoundly wrong. It may need a revolution.
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Aaahh Yes! A revolution!
Wonderful things, revolutions - if you can get somebody else to do one for you.
Are you sure you weren't posting on this forum about 5 years ago under another name, Viking? - There was a poster back then who was always going on about 'when the revolution happens' but he, it seemed, didn't want to be involved himself.
If the electorate can't be bothered to get off their backsides and vote, who do you think is going to start a revolution? - It takes a bit more effort than marking an 'X' on a ballot slip.
Government starts at local level. If the people at local level can't be bothered to elect local (Parish, District and County) councillors who will be responsible to the electorate - and by 'be responsible', I mean 'do what the electorate want them to do' they've no chance. Reforming Parliament (and it certainly does need to be reformed) is a bigger step, but it could only follow an effective reform of local government.
The people of Norwich North had the opportunity to be revolting - or at least, to send a clear message to the Party Apparatchiks a few weeks ago. They did indeed. They told the political parties "We can't be bothered to try to rein you in. Do what you like. We will moan, but nothing else will happen."
No one person can get rid of the political parties, but a lot of individual people can - by getting rid of one party member at a time.
It didn't matter who the people of Norwich North elected - whoever got the job would be standing for re-election in about a year's time and given that Parliament will be 'on holiday' for about 6 months and will probably be prorogued at about Easter time (you can't expect MPs to work to get re-elected during their 12 week summer hols, can you?)
Had the people of Norwich North elected any of the independent candidates, that would have sent a message to the political parties: "We are fed up with the way that, once you are elected, you ignore us."
You say: "Don't blame the electorate"- but the electorate are the people who put the political parties in power, even if they do so by default.
Thomas Jefferson said: "People get the government they deserve." He was probably right. If you have a lazy, apathetic government, look at the people.
Rupert
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