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 07/10/2007, 7:08 AM
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john
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Is the cat now out of the bag?It was announced last night that the National Lottery are giving away millions of pounds[in half million packages] to any group involved in conservation and leisure etc.If such a grant is available then surely this money should be applied for and used in the interest of all people whether those living in the area or those who are using the area for leisure.More importantly the money given out by the Lottery should be very carefully scrutinised and made sure that it goes to and put to the purpose for which it was intended.As for the forum on norfolk-broads co.uk/forums I have had difficulty in opening the web pages.Could be the volume of people using it.John.There is a notice on the broads Authority web site [ urgent notices] re the meeting being called at Norwich. John
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07/10/2007, 12:34 PM
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MP Expenses leech
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Could be some important meetings nevermind.
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07/10/2007, 4:09 PM
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MP Expenses leech
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I have heard that this is exactly what is going to happen nevermind.
It would be interesting to list all the land owners who benefit financially from such hand outs.
ALL this money from whatever source should be channeled into flood defense not rich peoples pockets.
These bas---- will see people in East Anglia drown for their greed and they could not care less.
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07/10/2007, 4:39 PM
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john
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Without making accusations and being very careful what I say Nevermind,all I can say is the Commissioners in charge of the Lottery hand outs should carefully check to make sure that all of the conditions on applying for and spending the money should carefully be scrutinised.e.g When applying for a grant for a project the person making the application promises to match the Lottery grant with their own money.I will say no more than that.John
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07/10/2007, 9:19 PM
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MP Expenses leech
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All the money is needed for flood defense not dicky birds or land owners.
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08/10/2007, 10:31 AM
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Jamie Campbell
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The RSPB report is interesting - not particularly for its flawed logic but for the conclusion - the Broads Authority has failed to deliver. Despite the body of the report, I can't for argue with statements about the number of SSSIs in worse condition over the last ten years.
The Broads Authority has also failed to deliver on navigation - the river system has been largely ignored and dredging has been inadequate since 1988 - the current increase is welcome but we are told this will not continue beyond 2008. There is a huge backlog to address - Oulton Broad for example may not have much more than ten years life expectancy as a navigable water. I hear John's protestations in his postings - but they're just not borne out by the state of the navigation. Barton Broad is the only success story - and that was funded by the detergent industry and the Millenium Fund.
Tourism is another area with low to zero tangible output from the Broads Authority. Plenty of money spent - mainly with consultants - but little or nothing to show for it.
We also witness the Broads Authority diving off into setting up a Planning Department. More expenditure for no potential gain. Their area is so small and tightly restricted around the rivers that they look after, for example one half of Lower Street, Horning or Northgate, Beccles and the local authority retains responsibility for the other side of the road. Both sides lie within the same conservation areas.
Planning is one area of local government where transparency is essential, yet the Broads Authority is a quango. Unelected and unaccountable. DEFRA sends us ten members of the Broads Authority - that they think will be good for us. Local residents and river users deserve some representation.
After nearly twenty years it's time for a major, structural and independent review of the Broads Authority. What we have at present isn't delivering. My own favoured outcome would be to strip the Broads Authority down to a simple, focussed and better value organisation. The Authority is trying to do too much - remove the diversions - something like Harbour Conservancy (like Chichester Harbour) would do the job better for less.
PS. You might find this link to a Broads discussion forum more helpful:
http://www.speakerscorner.com/
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08/10/2007, 10:43 AM
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Scaramouche
 
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Perhaps the best forrunner of the RSPB vision for the Broads may be found in their weekend announcement - the £12m scheme to purchase Wallasey island off the Essexc coast and turn 25 acres of recovered farmland into a primordial natural swamp or 'soup' where nature can be allowed to exhert its own influences - ungoverned by the interfluence of man.
Except - of course - the infuence of the RSPB, and a few hundred thousand RSPB members in boat trips every year.
Personally I wouldn't begrudge the birds 25 acres, but whatever next?
The removal of all human life from the Isle of Sheppey?
Whilst those of you who've spent the evening in one of Sheppey's many delightful pubs, might attest that this has already happened, I trhink it may be necessary to draw the line somewhere, and especially before any RSPB attempt to annex the Broads into it's growing empire of no-go areas.
Scaramouche lives in an area surrounded by RSPB reserves, where the biggest threats to the peace of our wildlife are people from Norridge with binocculars, designer-dressed from the pages of Country Life.
The boom of the Bittern is as nothing compared to the chatter of the Audi/Volvo-owner from the Golden Triangle.
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08/10/2007, 11:38 AM
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MP Expenses leech
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Any person applying for such a grant should be prepared to swear on oath in public that they will match the amount granted with the same amount of their own money.
They should also agree in public on the interest rate they would be prepared to pay if the grant has to be returned by default.
If this is not the case, then those responsible for awarding the grants should explain to the public, how those to receive grants are chosen, other than by social connection.
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08/10/2007, 12:46 PM
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john
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I fully agree with all that Keith but just as important,as soon as the work is complete the Lottery people should go and inspect the work and receipts for the work carried out.John
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08/10/2007, 4:34 PM
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JennyMorgan
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The RSPB are so completely out of order on this one. Quite rightly they are being critiscised and subsequently the Broads Authority is gaining some undeserved support. But lets be honest, whilst the Authority has done some stirling work, it is wasting a huge amount of grant money on its Broads Bill, it is wasting a huge amount of money on costly 'research' rather than getting on with the job in hand, its offices are crammed with ex graduates churning out what many of us see as biased / doctored reports to suit the party line. The RSPB is wrong, that does not make the Authority right. The Broads is suffering from serious neglect, the quality of care lavished by the Authority is nothing to be proud of.
The good folk of Broadland need to stand back, look at the quango they have been lumbered with, look at the record of the quango, look at the composition of the Authority and its committees, look at the level of care throughout Broadland, and then consider whether to do something about it. Your local M.P. might be a good place to start. The boaters have long critiscised the Authority, now the conservationists are doing just the same, not that it makes the RSPB right! But it does say a great deal about the Broads Authority.
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08/10/2007, 6:08 PM
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MP Expenses leech
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Criticize the local OBN Jenny.
No chance, as soon as you try, word will go round and all the doors will close.
They will not let you be heard.
Been there done that.
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08/10/2007, 6:25 PM
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MP Expenses leech
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The good people of Broadland would do well to consider how much protection from flooding they can rely on Jenny.
I have seen absolutely no statement whatsoever from the Broadland Authority on what they intend to do.
Some of the good people of Broadland will surely drown if nothing is done.
They will also lose a huge part of their goods and wealth, washed away by sea water.
Maybe we could help?
Notice I did not mention the Dicky bird lot, they are totally irrelevant in this issue.
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08/10/2007, 6:31 PM
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POG
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 keith gerrard wrote: | |
Criticize the local OBN Jenny.
No chance, as soon as you try, word will go round and all the doors will close.
They will not let you be heard.
Been there done that.
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Sometimes those doors close because of the way one approaches them rather than who is behind them...
To the uneducated an A is just three sticks
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08/10/2007, 6:40 PM
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JennyMorgan
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