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15/10/2009, 11:37 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 double accounting Soon, once the hand written records of councillors expenses have been deciphered, we will be partial to inspecting the expenses of our County councillors who are also District councillors, the double take will be public and hence, so they hope, more acceptable. Whilst our councillors feel able to do two jobs, many youngsters in the eastern reagion are withoput work or any prospect of work.   School leavers are faced with working for nothing, job experienmce, before they are accepted on the dole after a year plus, before that they will have to steal, beg and borrow. At the same time our ministers, in a move to dilute the pension crisis, are offering pensioners the chance to work longer without pension rights, what a system.   Unemployment figures showing a positive move, only 22.000 new unemployed, down form the last quarter, enough to make ministers come out with platitudes and more lying. Whilst the great conjurers have two jobs, now available online, our young and old are deprived of essentials, just as our soldiers in Afghanisatn. A neighbours son has been given his date to leave to Masari Sharif, he's a good shot and will have to buy himself an extra pair of boots and some winter garb to be able to make it over there, 700,- he has not got. His mother, in a semi move to the official secrets act, is not allowed to diverge or talk about her son until he comes back, if he comes back. thats Norfolk today. nevermind    Report

15/10/2009, 12:12 PM Lector Joined on 13/06/2005 North West Norfolk Posts 207 Re: double accounting What is Masari Sharif?    Report

15/10/2009, 12:33 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting Its a lawless town in  the north east of Afghanistan's mountainous region, the realm of General Dostum, famous from tying people he did not like to tank tracks and driving them into the dust, he also had a particular nasty method of mass suffocation, he placed opponenets to his line of Governing into a container and left them for a few days in the blazing sunshine with no water or food.   masari Sharif lies near the border with Uzbekistan and the Termez border crossing is the main route out for massive heroin shipments, something Richard Conroy, an FCO employee who was killed in a fake aircrash ,wanted to investigate. general Dostum is operating in this region, he has built two massive heropin labs, one some six hundred yards away from NATO barracks. He is shipping in pre cursor chemicals by the tanker load and the US is very helpfull.   Masari Sharif is not in our sector and I can't understand why he is going to be stationed there, we must have some outpost up there, unless he's been told a porky and will find out at the last minute. Hope this helps. nevermind    Report

28/10/2009, 2:43 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting  Lector wrote: What is Masari Sharif?   We seem to have our own Masari Sharif here in Norfolk Lector. Our county councillors are aghast that a motion to hear a concern about the doubel dippers was allowed to be heard. So here is Mr. Martins guist, he's a solicitor from Gt. Witchingham. He outlines how much our district/county/hold a normal job down councillors are taking from the taxpayer, all above board, off course. It is outrageous that county councillor can also be district councillors, just because they scared to loose their jobs on the district.   Here is a cut and paste from the story in todays EDP, like the tacid term used for the double dippers' twin hatters'.   Mr Martin said twin-hatters now enjoyed a starting allowance of £12,500, and the highest paid, cabinet member Harry Humphrey, gets £40,411 as a member of the county council, King's Lynn and West Norfolk borough council and Norfolk Police Authority. Council leader Daniel Cox, who is also a South Norfolk district councillor, gets £39,390. Another councillor William Nunn, who is also leader of Breckland district council, gets £34,929. Mr Martin, a solicitor from Great Witchingham, had produced a four-page report for consideration, suggesting allowances for twin-hatters should be capped and they should not take up outside commercial interests. It also said that if twin-hatters waived their basic allowances they received from districts that would put back between £175,000 to £200,000 into the public coffers. And he queried how county councillors could fit in several different roles while, in some cases, holding down full time jobs. But the Tories voted that the items should not be discussed and also enacted a closure motion to curtail any debate, sparking anger from the 62-year-old. “I am astounded that the committee should encourage members of the public to come forward and then decline to even give them a chance to speak at the meeting,” Mr Martin said. “It has been a complete waste of time, but these points won't go away and Norfolk County Council needs to acknowledge that these are matters of considerable concern to the public. “What really gets me is the arrogance I heard from some of these people. They will do what they want.” Opposition councillors, who were in the minority on the committee, had pressed for the issue to be looked at and said the Tories risked looking ridiculous and being seen to behave like Westminster MPs over their expenses.    Report

28/10/2009, 4:31 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,240 Re: double accounting nevermind ever the diligent and tireless seeker-out of the truth, I have done my own little bit of research on the region to which you refer (Masari Sharif) fearsome bearded A LA Brian Blessed warriors indeedy and, as I posted on another thread, double-dippers and twin-hatters of the wherry straingest sort... maybe the warlord you mention has a little friend in that neck of the woods? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacch%C3%A1    Report

29/10/2009, 9:45 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting Well, dear master of the incongrueable, I would not know about that, but if you hear something tinkerlinking past your house, its your loaded councillor with pockets full of cash, chances have it. And they are aghast that Mr. Martin was allowed to bring up the issue, can you imagine what words were said after the meeting and how our learned councillors would have expressed them thelves?   I think there is a good point here showing how hypocritic Conservatives are, they say one thing for Westminster, but dare not speak of their locallity, were some 51 district councillors are juggling their job, meetings as county councillor and their private jobs and lifes, now call me pc, but as a chief executive of the council I would fear for their health and safety and would not like to give them any grounds of sueing local Government for stress and exhaustion, they should be released and by election triggered instantly, for all of these seats, I feel a letter coming on...nevermind    Report

29/10/2009, 11:21 AM Lector Joined on 13/06/2005 North West Norfolk Posts 207 Re: double accounting Thank you for the explanation Nevermind. I suppose I really ought to have 'Googled' it but it just never occurred to me. Poor show - mea culpa. As to the extensions into County and District Councillors, I have long since given up on them, however, let the truth be told if such a phenomena is possble.    Report

29/10/2009, 8:08 PM Matty Joined on 29/01/2004 Posts 2,444 Re: double accounting If I could chip in here Nevermind, The New York newspaper just published the facts about Karsai's brother Dostrum.  Although you had mentioned about his drug dealing etc many posts ago, it is now public knowledge.  Being outed by the N. York Times (I think), it is now hitting the cable news networks and lots of talk on the CNN. It makes you think that talking of the corruption of the two brothers Karsai - needed some amount of timing before being made public knowledge. I thank for being the first to mention it. Matty    Report

01/11/2009, 4:43 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting  Matty wrote: If I could chip in here Nevermind, The New York newspaper just published the facts about Karsai's brother Dostrum.  Although you had mentioned about his drug dealing etc many posts ago, it is now public knowledge.  Being outed by the N. York Times (I think), it is now hitting the cable news networks and lots of talk on the CNN. It makes you think that talking of the corruption of the two brothers Karsai - needed some amount of timing before being made public knowledge. I thank for being the first to mention it. Matty Dostrum is Karzais defense minister, his brither is called Walid Karzai. Dostum and Walid are the biggest heroin dealers in the world, it shows what you can do under allied NATO protection and it can only mean that in future we buy the stuff up from them and use it for our health services, why else fetter these killers and warlords?   I hear that they have found another severed foot near Vancouver island and its a bit oif a mystery in  a long line of severed and undisclosed feet found around the various islets and inlets around there. Any cruel story behind that, what do people think about these dead feet being landed on the shores, are the police suspecting the feet belong to Canadians or are they suspected immigrant feet from the US? I am surprised they survived in the water for, How long? with all the fish around nibblin' at the toes.   BTW. Happy Halloween Matty. nevermind    Report

02/11/2009, 11:22 AM thelibrarian Joined on 27/08/2009 Posts 394 Re: double accounting Nothing surprising about the feet - they seem to be in sneakers so could have come from anywhere and any distance , depends how the current circulates and how cold the water is . There is for instance an accumulated raft of plastics waste and flotsam so large in the Pacific that is being considered worth while scooping it up for recycling. I have been told of  smaller similar rafts of waste being collected together by currents offshore pretty tourist destinations ( and booming cities ) Have a look here or You Tube North Pacific Gyre http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.iftf.org/files/images/North_Pacific_Gyre_World_Map.preview.png&imgrefurl=http://www.iftf.org/node/3069&usg=__r651kcLH_U4Kigzc1YlBWY2dCHs=&h=278&w=425&sz=278&hl=en&start=15&um=1&tbnid=ou_ij1hERAldLM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpastic%2Bin%2Bthe%2BNorth%2Bpacific%2Bgyre%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1 As for the councillors. A case for the local government watchdog perhaps since they could hardly be considered to be objective in putting forward and spending our money on pursuing the case for keeping district and county councils?    Report

03/11/2009, 10:25 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting Today it is emerging that South Norfolk and Breckland Tories, in a desperate bid to keep their positions in the forthcoming cuts, had secret of their cabinets, unscrutinised, to hammer out a deal were the taxpayer pays more for the same services, the two councils merge their acvtivities and hey presto, not one councillor will have to loose their jobs in the cost cutting.   Apart from the double dipping, which btw, is being accepted by all four parties on the county council, even the Greens, they now want to increase our charges to safeguard their jobs. Its time to scream lads and lasses, this is having your cake and eating it of the worst kind. nevermind          Report

03/11/2009, 10:37 AM thelibrarian Joined on 27/08/2009 Posts 394 Re: double accounting See , this is what I can't understand. They are all keen to work together-West Norfolk and GY, South Norfolk and Breckland- yet all shouting down the prospect of a single unified council for the county.Seems to me that district councils are almost unrecognisable as the form of local government when they were established. Now that they are run on a cabinet system and with their departments run as businesses one wonders just how much input the local councillors actually get to make.  It can only be that their egos and their pockets are more important to them than what is good for the Norfolk council tax payer. A little more structure and input for parish councils for very local matters and a single Norfolk County council should give us the service we need, especially if there is a review of the cabinet system so that more matters have to go before a full council than at present.    Report

03/11/2009, 10:38 AM Lynda Joined on 22/03/2004 Norwich Posts 2,721 Re: double accounting Those on both Councils, surely, would give better value for money than two different people in the same positions? The person on two Councils will have more idea of what is going on. The only way we can have the same service is for local Councils, such as Norwich, becoming Unitary so the Councils can make decisions without being hampered by the other Council. If someone is doing two jobs why can't they be paid for both of them? They only have allowances to cover their expenses - who else would do the same hours (often in the evenings for meetings also to meet constituents) for around £5,000 p a? Lynda  Technology is great when it works.    Report

03/11/2009, 11:39 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting Lynda, the unitary council bid has failed, a very expensive step of reorganisation has gone to the dogs because Norwich City and the County council could not agree on a common approach. To say that one councillor doing two jobs is better value is so wrong, because they are doing double the work, next to their day jobs and they all have some family life to content with, even those who are not married. If stress is a cause of concern in our civil servants and officers on a council, if their health and safety matters as much as that of councillors, than our councillors should take a leaf out of their book and equally take cvare of themselves by doing one job next to their dayly activities. If you would have followed the story in the papers, now out of the bag thanks to a taxpayers question, no thanks to compliant councillors, you would havce seen that those councillors are raking it in, some earning as much as 40-60K/annum.   I have written to two councillors today and I expect an answer on the issue before making it nationally known that all parties are at it.   Those who think that a unitary Norwich can hold its own, who have forgotten the financial backwardness of City affairs and their shambled Housing department might be fooled into still hankering after a unitary which is now becoming unaffordable.   I find this compliance by Greens nauseating, Lynda, they had enough time to work this one out and have been quiet on the issue, not a peeps in their publications or to the public. Its all very well to oppose the shutting of day care centres, but to take two wages, merge councils; and do your utmost to keep your posts as councillors, whilst taxpayers have to find extra money to finance all these flights of fancy from our councillors and suffer stringent service cuts, is abysmal.   When has the Green Party called for the discontinuation of the County councils information prints, their self appreciative publications that costs thousands? When has the Green Party shown us a list of services that are going to be cut by the forthcoming administrations? please do try and be objective. nevermind      Report

03/11/2009, 11:41 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: double accounting BTW everyone, it was not me who has changed this format to an unreadable long affair, it was done for me, don't know by whom??? nevermind    Report

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