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23/10/2009, 8:46 AM Storm Joined on 27/07/2009 Posts 377 Nick Griffin On Question Time. I watched question time last night and I witnessed discourtesy, prejudice, ignorance, intimidation and bias. I watched thugs attacking the police outside the gates of the BBC centre prior to the broadcast, yet none of these were attributable to Nick Griffin and the BNP. Nick Griffin wouldn't be the main topic of conversation if this 'government' listened to its people.    Report

23/10/2009, 9:56 AM Bufftheorpington Joined on 28/07/2009 Norwich Posts 122 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Complete waste of time. That was just a attempt to bash the BNP without any real political debate. I would have loved to see some real political clout on that show to tear Griffin apart, instead we just got a group of lightweights and Jack Straw rambling on. To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human?    Report

23/10/2009, 10:08 AM Dek Joined on 15/08/2003 Norwich Posts 1,191 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Looking back over the years at the impact facsism had in the world in its heyday I`m suprised that it was ever allowed to rear it`s head again !  But we never learn .  Dek. Laugh, and the wife laughs with you. Snore and you`ll sleep alone.    Report

23/10/2009, 11:01 AM Paul East Joined on 22/08/2004 Posts 92 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. I don't know why people continue to say Griffin is a racist or even a fascist. However, this country has become unstable for some years. If a government/country can allow self confessed murders from the IRA etc to become politicians, then that speaks for its self. Griffin who I do not support fully was bullied and no one listened to him, even though he said he did not judge people by there colour. It’s said we fought a war against fascism, some people need to read there history, every war vet I have interviewed and when asked they tell me they were fighting against an invasion and to protect there family and country, just as Griffin is trying to do. Britain did not take the extermination camps seriously when told; it was not until the invasion of D-Day that it all became clear. In Griffins defence, we all speak about free speech, but suddenly he is not included, if you allow him to speak he will only bury himself because of his lack of knowledge. The protestors who really were riot thugs, were they decent law abiding people, I don't think so, a mob of uncontroled fools that commited violence there fore breaking the law. If anyone beleives our country is in a mess, then don't blame Griffin, blame the goverment that control at this period of time... .    Report

23/10/2009, 2:21 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. what is all the fuss about? much has been made of Griffin being a Cambridge graduate... ... but on yesterday's showing he is an oaf he can only command the attention of no-neck knuckle-dragging sociopaths and happily, even today, in this country they form a very very tiny minority Question Time was a farce - a Griffin-baitng exercise. Dimbleby should be hauled over the coals for so spectacularly losing his sense of even-handedness. he is paid [an arm and a leg, no doubt] to 'moderate discussion, not to lead it Griffin was entirely predictably not up to the task now stick 'im on Newsnight and see how he gets on wiv Paxo!!! Nyerz    Report

23/10/2009, 7:03 PM Baconsdozen. Joined on 02/09/2003 Lowestoft Posts 1,702 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. I though Griffin made a big mistake in not admitting that with regards the holocaust he was wrong,all that drivel about radio intercepts made him look like a rabbit caught in the headlights. I though Dimbleby was rude and biased and unfortunately that probably helped the BNPs cause. I wonder if Dimbleby picked on dozy old Straw right at the end thinking that made him and his show look a bit more 'balanced' ?.   WDC and its caravan site.    Report

23/10/2009, 7:26 PM Lector Joined on 13/06/2005 North West Norfolk Posts 207 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. I can not but agree with the sense of other contributors. I deplore the vast majority of what the BNP stands for and I would never endorse their views or vote for them but on Question Night I saw a crowd of baying groups uncontrolled by David Dimbleby trying to shout down Griffin. We may not like his views, but he is entitled to be heard. It is called freedom of speech and Griffin was denied that. The BBC in its pesonna of David Dinbleyby is shamed but this episode. I wonder what damage has been caused to the concept of BBC imparliaty by this travesty.    Report

23/10/2009, 11:33 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. I just wonder who chose the studio audience? - obviously a cross section of those most likely to be labelled immigrants rather than indigenous British.  So no possibility of any divergent opinions in the programme.  It is a cynical thought that even the crowds outside had a sort of professional  anti-fascist look about them and I wonder of the BBC helped to put them there.  Like others I am no follower of the BNP but frustrated by being unable to express my doubts about the advantages of a multicultural Britain.  To do so is to invite a torrent of righteous liberal claptrap - mostly from the younger generations. Any form of national pride is stamped on like little fires in a tinder dry forest... On the matter of immigration - we need fresh cultural and spiritual input - so I am broadly in favour of keeping the door open. But I think that national pride in being British and having a British culture should be encouraged at the same time.  How to make these two things compatible is the big question, but trying to extinguish our religious and cultural background in favour of others is a sort of crazy hospitality.    Report

24/10/2009, 3:16 PM gitshagger Joined on 05/01/2009 kent/norfolk Posts 262 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Broadly in favour of keeping the door open but with doubts about the advantages of multiculturalism, er um, how about being in favour of making your mind up. John An expert on everything who is always right and general big `ead.    Report

24/10/2009, 3:19 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time.  Lector wrote: I can not but agree with the sense of other contributors. I deplore the vast majority of what the BNP stands for and I would never endorse their views or vote for them but on Question Night I saw a crowd of baying groups uncontrolled by David Dimbleby trying to shout down Griffin. We may not like his views, but he is entitled to be heard. It is called freedom of speech and Griffin was denied that. The BBC in its pesonna of David Dinbleyby is shamed but this episode. I wonder what damage has been caused to the concept of BBC imparliaty by this travesty.   The BBC got exactly as they have been planning, lector. They choose the make up of the panel and when two on the panel are accused and verbally attacked, one being accused of fabricating history, days before the programme, then it makes this event very questionale.   It does not detract from the fact that Nick Griffin was physically shaking, evasive and thoroughly trounced, ( not my description but that of Bonnie Greer who sat next to him) I think that Jack Straw deserves the same, he was relishing the trouncing, he is as guilty of promoting racism in his own constituency than Nick Griffin.   Despite the fact that QT ratings went up by a large margin, something Griffin's PR used straight away as anticipated here, this episode marked a change in the BBC's perceived politcal stance, now rubberstamped and going to the right. It has lost any legitamicay to call itself a national political programm, its a wanten mouthpiece of some very unsavoury politicians, left right and centre. Those outside represented the fury of many, some are always there and the poster brigade of the SWP is fast to come up with second rate slogans when they have to, it was predictable and we all knew that there would be a demonstration. nevermind        Report

24/10/2009, 4:04 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Gitshagger my mind is quite well made up thank you.   Let em come (in limited numbers) but don't let it stop us being our usual narrow minded British selves....    Report

24/10/2009, 4:23 PM gitshagger Joined on 05/01/2009 kent/norfolk Posts 262 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. Hello Dr K, hope I didn`t sound as if I`m attacking you thats not what I am about but the immigration issue is far too important to sit on the fence. John An expert on everything who is always right and general big `ead.    Report

24/10/2009, 4:39 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time.  gitshagger wrote: Hello Dr K, hope I didn`t sound as if I`m attacking you thats not what I am about but the immigration issue is far too important to sit on the fence. John No it is not, its the only pathetic excuse used for all ails and ills in todays working class. Lincoln shire is quoted as having a high BNP membership, some of it flat agricultural land which is dependent on cheap foreign labour, some there are not unkown to employ illegal, even cheaper labour to enrich themselves. And when they vote for such hollow main strawmen argument, always ready to be used in any blame jobby, they are the biggest hypocrits going.   Immigrants pay taxes and are here to stay, whether they are European citizens, or from past common wealth countries and allies, so whats this idea about the homogenous indigenous white, its utter rubbish and it will never be like that, unrealistic dreaming and there is nobody sitting on the fence, all they are doing is using selective cases that suit their arguments. nevermind     nevermind    Report

24/10/2009, 5:08 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. The hostility to immigrants (i.e. those apparently new to this country) is based on numbers.  The loss of jobs, for whatever reasons, and the overwhelmed NHS are justifiable grievances.  I don't think this has anything to do with racism. That is something else. When I was young, living in a rural area, our well-intentioned ex-missionary local vicar imported an African family to live in our village.  We all fell over ourselves to be nice and helpful to them and included them in village life.  No problems for us at least - I can't speak for the lonely African family.   But if the vicar or the family had invited several more families....the welcome might not have been quite so universal. That's just how it is with humans.  Natural instincts can't be forced to change - another way must be found.   If this country was prosperous and confident we could cope with a much higher level of immigration.  But the opposite is true. As we sink back into obscurity no amount of reason will push aside the instinct to blame others.  It's not being uneducated but being unwilling.    Report

24/10/2009, 5:11 PM Storm Joined on 27/07/2009 Posts 377 Re: Nick Griffin On Question Time. The big plan to de-rail Nick Griffin and the BNP by the main political parties with their co-conspirators the media would have appeared to have completely backfired. Judging by independent surveys their support has increased by a staggering amount. I am not surprised as he (Nick Griffin) for all his faults is representing the general consensus of the British electorate regarding Europe, Afghanistan, and immigration. The warnings have been there for Lib, Lab, and Con for a long time in that if they continue to ignore the electorate for long enough there will be a price to pay eventually. Most people have stated they wanted change, and to me it would appear that it has started to happen, in the shape of the unexpected bandwagon of Nick Griffin and the BNP. And for me personally I have never voted or supported the BNP but I will not hesitate to vote for them in the forthcoming election, and I am not ashamed to state that.    Report

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