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13/09/2009, 6:54 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? Para Handy "Whatever your opinion is on Maggi..." Maggi was Nestlé's instant soup how wherry appropriate cheap, nasty, tasteless, and bad for your health Opinions on Maggie - for and against - may be found on this thread... quite possibly worth revisiting and [re-]reading if the number of Replies/Views is anything to go by! Maggie and the unions? 6 of one and half-a-dozen of the other The union movement grosso modo lost sight of its origins, its raison d'être, its history... Maggie cashed in - in the finest traditions of Peterloo Beer and sandwiches? What we now have, as a direct consequence of Thatcher's revolution, is champagne Charlies [and I DO mean cocaine] persisting in paying themselves outrageous salaries and utterly undeserved bonuses from hard-earned, and HONESTLY earned, taxpayers' money... while throttling any green shoots of recovery in the REAL economy "Where there is..." o never mind Malvinas/Coalite/Denis's share portfolio, British armed forces' lives/warmongering to win an election... BAe/bungs/Saudia Arabia's craven inaction in the face of hostility by Saddam Hussein's US-financed military prowess... um, er, over to you Para Handy    Report

13/09/2009, 7:11 PM thelibrarian Joined on 27/08/2009 Posts 392 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? you keep doing this Wallis- you resurrect this site and I think whoo hoo she's gone...which is nasty and I shouldn't do it. Although a grim bit of work  you have to give her credit -which you did quite correctly. She would not have been able to do what she did if we had not all been completely sick of the way the unions were undermining democracy and the economy.  And credit for her career really- she did come from relatively humble origins even if her father did think a lot of himself  and only went to a small town girls grammar school. To go from there to Oxford to read Chemistry( or whatever it comes under there, of Oxford I know nothing)  was quite an achievement in itself. First woman Prime Minister and none of the silly Hazel Blurs type of woman either. How great a part Dennis played in giving her a leg up the ladder I don't know- but it wasn't bad for a corner- shop keeper's daughter.    Report

13/09/2009, 7:21 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 3,173 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? They are now calling Angela Merkel the new Thatcher, I call her evasive, scientific and always cagey when it comes to speaking her mind, she'll probably get re elected in GermanY's general election in two weeks, not that it matters much here.   I still have a soft spot for old Maggie, just can't remember whether it was an irish peatbog from 30.000 feet up, or the Severn mudflast, its a fact, she can still create an impact, you know. nevermind    Report

13/09/2009, 8:31 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? thelibrarian "you have to give her credit -which you did quite correctly" I am correct to a fault. I have a little list... of Lady T's credits. Many of them appear on this thread.... courtesy of other posters. Mild-mannered people. Not moi. The unions had lost their way. And like the carrion Old Crow that She was... I will let y'all know when the Lady's for interrin'... meanwhile, what possible harm could there be in reviewing her legacy? Shirley She's got nothing to be ashamed of? I'm confident that her legal advoisors are poised in the event that I should slip urp and imply that She was beneath contempt Her comparatively humble beginnings are no excuse for her actions History is written by the victors Vlad the Impaler was misunderstood. He merely popularised fondu    Report

13/09/2009, 10:02 PM Bufftheorpington Joined on 28/07/2009 Norwich Posts 122 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral?  nevermind wrote: They are now calling Angela Merkel the new Thatcher, I call her evasive, scientific and always cagey when it comes to speaking her mind, she'll probably get re elected in GermanY's general election in two weeks, not that it matters much here.   I still have a soft spot for old Maggie, just can't remember whether it was an irish peatbog from 30.000 feet up, or the Severn mudflast, its a fact, she can still create an impact, you know. nevermind Angela Merkel, i always get the feeling when i read or see her that she is trying to hide something or pull a fast one. its just her impression. i was only born when maggie got her 2nd term, from what ive learn t she was very ruthless but also an incredibly strong leader, something that we really need today in this country. To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human?    Report

14/09/2009, 9:50 AM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? Orp "an incredibly strong leader" so was Hitler Stalin Genghis Khan do you get my meaning? Lady T seized the moment. The unions were over-extending themselves, behaving like - well - greedy capitalist individualists actually! That was their undoing. You were born in Maggie's second term? So you're young enough to reap the long-term benefits of her legacy. I feel sorry for you. Strong leadership is OK if you feel the need to be led. I don't. Broon is abysmal - he is single-handedly responsible for setting the policy environment since 1997 for the post-[Thatcherite] City of London Big Bang crisis that we live through right now... 'light touch' [NO touch] regulation AND, astonishingly even TODAY no statutory instruments [globally, not just nationally] to separate out 'retail' [i.e. boring, old fashioned] banking from 'casino' [i.e. 'investment' BarCap style-banking]. "sand castles in the air" ring a bell wiv yew, Orp? "The Emperor's Clothes?" and there is plainly zero willingness on the part of the rich countries of the world to rein in 'economic growth' in order to stem the output of CO2 emissions... and THAT is the legacy which your generation is about to pick up. You've Thatcher, the Great Leaderine-in-Chief, among others but Prima Inter Pares [look it up, Orp, Bagehot] to thank for that... as well as the 'I want it all and I want it now' mentality that she fostered. innit    Report

14/09/2009, 9:53 AM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? nevermind "I still have a soft spot for old Maggie, just can't remember whether it was an irish peatbog from 30.000 feet up, or the Severn mudflast" ennwiron-mental wandalism, nevermind much like Cap'n Bob Maxwell's wile act of marine pollution    Report

14/09/2009, 9:56 AM Bufftheorpington Joined on 28/07/2009 Norwich Posts 122 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral?  wallis wrote: Orp "an incredibly strong leader" so was Hitler Stalin Genghis Khan do you get my meaning? Lady T seized the moment. The unions were over-extending themselves, behaving like - well - greedy capitalist individualists actually! That was their undoing. You were born in Maggie's second term? So you're young enough to reap the long-term benefits of her legacy. I feel sorry for you. Strong leadership is OK if you feel the need to be led. I don't. Broon is abysmal - he is single-handedly responsible for setting the policy environment since 1997 for the post-[Thatcherite] City of London Big Bang crisis that we live through right now... 'light touch' [NO touch] regulation AND, astonishingly even TODAY no statutory instruments [globally, not just nationally] to separate out 'retail' [i.e. boring, old fashioned] banking from 'casino' [i.e. 'investment' BarCap style-banking]. "sand castles in the air" ring a bell wiv yew, Orp? "The Emperor's Clothes?" and there is plainly zero willingness on the part of the rich countries of the world to rein in 'economic growth' in order to stem the output of CO2 emissions... and THAT is the legacy which your generation is about to pick up. You've Thatcher, the Great Leaderine-in-Chief, among others but Prima Inter Pares [look it up, Orp, Bagehot] to thank for that... as well as the 'I want it all and I want it now' mentality that she fostered. innit i never said i belived in her leadership :-). but you make very valid points and i dont feel the need to debate it anymore. for the record i was born in 1983, so really am a child of the tory governments i suppose. To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human?    Report

14/09/2009, 10:04 AM thelibrarian Joined on 27/08/2009 Posts 392 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? One big difference- when Thatcher was snatching the milk you could walk in a demonstration against Conservative policies with the police walking along side you chatting. Try that in Brown's Britain. I know the rot set in with the miner's strike but it has only really been with the so called war on terror that the man in the street is not allowed to make peaceful mass protest against political and commercial interests.    Report

14/09/2009, 11:26 AM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? Orp 26 crikey! you are correct. you never said that you believed in her leadership. sorry if I [accidentally] implied that you did! that's just the sort of thing that winds me up when other people [no names no pack drill] do it to moi! 1983... I was footling around in a Gawdforsaken corner of S Sudan - having left Blighty the moment Mrs T got elected when I was 26 I was at Uni. in those days we were PAID to go to Uni... [thelibrarian, please comment] the point that I make about your generation having to clear up the mess that my generation has left you remains, alas, valid good luck I still keep truckin' along, annoying the efff out of forumers here-foregathered on uncomfortable truths like climate change and 'third world development' etc. but that's how I earned my living for several decades... I'll be gorn [not long!] before the ordure hits the global air-conditioning Big Time you won't over to you    Report

14/09/2009, 11:33 AM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? thelibrarian yep. never mind the Riot Act... but the ground was laid for the incremental suppression of civil liberties during Lady T's tenure at Number Ten - her abuse [IMHO] of police power at Orgreave for example [mirrored these days in the Met/TSG 'policing' of perfectly legal public gatherings in protest at government policy]. todays 'surveillance society' is also a by-product of the technology that Orp's generation take for granted! and of course of the 'war on terror' - the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld tripod of Evil, ably and God-willingly endorsed by Blair et al. they've much to answer for. so has Lady T    Report

04/11/2009, 5:47 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? hmmm may I have your attention please? in the light of recent alarming developments - with the net closing fast on both BAe and Master Scratcher - I must alas and alack turn my thoughts to the inevitable. Yes. To the obsequies. It is my duty for the toons, may I propose that ce's pension (Sir Andrew Lloyd Wotsit) be approached for the lyrics, what else but?... where there is discord, may we bring harmony where there is error, may we bring truth where there is doubt, may we bring faith and where there is despair, may we bring hope chorus? whooooooooooooooooo are we? wheeeeeeeere do we come from? wherry moving, I'm sure you'll agree thus "where there is discord whoooooooooooooooo are we? may we bring harmony wheeeeeere do we come from? The Barmy Army. The Barmy Army where there is error whoooooooooooooo are we?" and so on und so weiter are you still wiv moi? artistes? easy peasy ChaznDave, & Robbie Williams only the very best will do voiceover... Woss the casket will be accompanied dine the Maul by the House of Saud equivalent of the Dagenham Girl Pipers Band or, if perchance they don't have one Insh'Allah, by the General Augusto Pinochet Goosestepping Ensemble [they do]. now, I know what you're thinking. That I want to organise the whole shootin' match - so to speak - myself. I do. But I mustn't be selfish. All suggestions welcome or, better still by far send 'em on a postcard to The Occupier Wonga Pile Casa Flores Costa del Soul Eurp [copies to Head of Protocol, Equivocal Guinea, and Simon Mann, and John LittleDick] I'm wellin' up must go for a lie down in a darkened room      Report

04/11/2009, 6:33 PM Doctor K Joined on 08/02/2009 Posts 128 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? I find this whole thread hugely depressing.  That there are so many who get some pleasure in kicking an old senile woman while she is still alive.  She was impressive in her day and commanded the respect of many other leaders outside Britain - only hated in Britain as only the British can hate a strong woman.  Wallis you are sad.  There's plenty to attack without resorting to bashing old ladies.    Report

04/11/2009, 6:37 PM thelibrarian Joined on 27/08/2009 Posts 392 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? Blimey Wallis, I'm not sure even Dr Nutt would approve of whatever it is you are on today!    Report

04/11/2009, 7:59 PM wallis Joined on 10/07/2008 Posts 5,237 Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral? Doctor K impeccable reasoning, doctor age excuses all how did I not see that before I am in your debt      Report

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