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 17/10/2009, 9:23 AM
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ANNE MARKS
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Responsible boat yards do warn their visitors of known weather problems, especially when back-up or spring tides are predicted, and to make sure that they are not stuck the east side of Potter Heigham bridge or in the fast flowing currents of Breydon Water and Gt Yarmouth Yacht station area..
ANNE
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18/10/2009, 3:08 PM
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thelibrarian
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Yes, same here.
best wishes to Norma for a speedy recovery
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25/10/2009, 7:20 AM
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john
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Having just returned home from a weeks holiday in Norfolk the first thing I found on my e-mail was a message from Pat.I wish Norma a speedy recovery.John
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26/10/2009, 3:14 PM
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john
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Before I left Norfolk for home I bought a G.Y.Mercury on Friday and have just got round to reading it.Perhaps one of you knowledgeable type could explain to me how it is the flood risks in the G.Y. area are diminishing when the rest of the Norfolk Coast is said to be in areas where flood risks are becoming greater.Could it be something to do with a nice little development that is waiting to get through the planning stages.The G.Y.Mercury states that companies like 1st.East are waiting in the wings to develop large swathes of riverside.There is a map on page 3 which says The Environment Agency map does not zone risk areas or take account of defences or the source of flooding.Why publish a map that shows nothing? The E.A.were quick enough to draw up a map of the proposed flooding areas at Horsey but cannot produce one for G.Y.How do they know that the flood risks are diminishing? Was climate change a big con all of the time? John
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26/10/2009, 8:01 PM
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thelibrarian
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I think you may have hit the nail on the head John with the short comings of the EA map It always seemed to me that it was not quite right and a bit scare mongery- showed bits of GY as vulnerable which didn't even flood in 53 . If you recall the November hoo ha someone pointed out that the river didnt over top because a good foot or more had been added to the concrete walls along South and North Quay. The walls around Cobholm have also been raised and if you had a stroll down by the Life boat shed you would have noticed concrete wall sea defences well covered up by marram and sand in many places.
Having said that, there were several times in the past few years when I understand that spring tides went up to nearly over topping by the old peoples home where boats moor near the Bure Bridge
I suppose what they are saying is the EA showed where would get flooded if the defences failed or there was a really extreme event and the new map shows a view which assumes that where they are in place the defences can cope.
I still can't understand why 1st East are breaking their necks to develop housing alongside the river- I know there is a new harbour but messing up all the old quaysides for future use seems a bit short sighted especially when it has been announced that massive wind turbine projects much further off shore are being planned. .
Did you see GYs new blots on the landscape- the giant cranes.Certainly mess up the view along the coast.
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27/10/2009, 7:46 AM
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john
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Bearing that in mind,then why not put a extra 12" on the sea wall at Walcott? It would be interesting to find out what the insurance companies have to say about the properties proposed at G.Y. I noticed that part of a sea wall had collapsed at Hopton I believe, and the council said it was not worth bothering about.I wonder what the local planners would say if you applied for a extension without producing any drawings.I remember the year when the sea nearly went over the top at the old folks homes are.We were stuck at St.Olaves and the River Authority told us that the sea was approx.21' above normal at G.Y. and they stopped all river traffic.Not a great place to be.The river was half way up Alpha Crafts office.Yes Librarian we did see the turbines at G.Y.and of course those at Somerton.You either love them or hate them,I hate them.We stayed in Wroxham for the week and just went about on the river in a day boat.I was really surprised how few boats there were out on the river.We did have one really pleasant little cruise up to Coltishall.I have never seen so many Kingfishers.Going the other way,there was only one boat moored up at Ranworth,the pub was depressing and the P.O.closed.The pub at Horning all boarded up.Looking on the bright side the beaches at Winterton and Waxham were beautiful.On the other hand we went to Cromer and there was only 2 cars on the cliff car park.Real big money investment is needed in Norfolk but who is going to provide it when there is all the scares about climate change,sea defences and flooding etc.They say that there will be massive food shortages,especially meat.Then why are they allowing all of our farms to be sold off for car parks,shopping precincts and housing?John
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27/10/2009, 3:43 PM
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Pat Gowen
Joined on 17/04/2009
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Many thanks to you all for your condolences on our earlier plight. My abject apologies for having kept so many of you waiting for so long before replying.
The reason for the delay, as you may have seen in the EDP, is that Norma and I took off on 22nd September for a long saved-up-for cruise across the Pacific, to visit many islands, finally finishing up in Sydney Australia. But we didn't get that far. On the third day out Norma was stricken by severe stomach cramps, when the ships onboard doctor required her to undergo a scan as soon as we arrived at Hilo, Hawaii on 28th September, which has a truly excellent (but very expensive) hospital.
The result was discovery of colonic cancer blockage, necessitating immediate and urgent emergency surgery.
I just managed to get our luggage off before the ship saiked off into the sunset, after which we were marooned on the island for almost three weeks, the first nine days awaiting her recovery, discharge and 'fit to fly' certificate. Then a further ten days whilst our travel insurance company deliberated and procastinated, keeping us waiting for a even a single reply to our urgent telephoned, faxed and e-mailed communications.
One main problem appeared to be the demand from our Hawaiian consultants that we must immediately return to our home, as few medical facilities existed at many of the islands 'en route (even were this possible) followed by repeated requests for documents, 'fit to fly'cetificates and medical reports from both our Hawaiin and our home GP's all of which were faxed to them eight days earlier.
We were rapidly running out energy, money and patience, in 88-92 deg. F temperatures, 85-90% humidity, noise plus sulphur dioxide fumes from the erupting volcano and a tsunami warning, none exactly conducive to convalescence. But finally our insurers verbally agreed to cover our repatriation, returning us by a long series of flights from Hawaii to Oahu, thence to Los Angeles, thence to London Heathrow, thence back to Norwich, a welcome return home on 18th October.
The bad news is that we have lost our long awaited holiday and a lot of our savings. The good news is that her truly expert surgical team completely cleared her bowel carcinoma and reconnected her colon so that no colostomy was required - and probably no follow up chemotherapy requirement either. Though tiring easily, she is now up and about, largely mobile and eating a little solid food. The greater good news is that I still have a managing director.
The moral is - if you are going to on holiday, don't be ill, especially at remote places outside the NHS. And know that Insurance Companies are hard line businesses, not philanthropic institutions.
So, that's the reason you have heard little from me in the past four weeks, and may not hear very more until I catch up with the mass of paperwork involved. Already it has reached five stacks of over 4cm, and we haven't nearly finished yet.
Again, apologies for the long delay in our forum communications. But slowly we shall catch up with the issues, in particular the flood areas, and I will reply to your postings and e-mails a.s.a.p.
Best wishes, and thank you all for your thoughts.
Pat Gowen - and Norma
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06/11/2009, 1:47 PM
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john
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I wonder if Pat would be so good to come and explain what went wrong when the Marinet Bill was before Parliament.The bill was defeated and one M.P.Norman Lamb actually voted against the bill.It is a very complex Bill and Pat can explain it far better than I can.I did notice when reading the Hansard Report how many times Natural England was slated for submitting biased reports.John
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06/11/2009, 1:49 PM
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john
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Mapologies,Norman Lamb abstained,Bob Blizzard voted against.John
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06/11/2009, 3:12 PM
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Pat Gowen
Joined on 17/04/2009
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Yes, by looking carefully through the list of voters for and against our MARINET amendment (Clause 123 of the Marine Bill, to be seen by visiting the Hansard Report posted at
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm091026/debtext/91026-0005.htm#09102612000001 ) I found many coastal constituency MPs who verbally indicated their support but failed to do so. So called Environment Ministers also.
To my surprise and sadness, I noted that Norman Lamb of North Norfolk and Tony Wright of Great Yarmouth had abstained, whilst others purporting support such as Bob Blizzard of Lowestoft and Waveney actually voted against it. But John Gummer of Suffolk Coastal and Chloe Smith of Norwich North supported.
Following much filibustering and obviously a Party Whip situation, at 10pm Division 230 saw it's failure, with the Ayes 158, Noes 246.
Those very MP's purporting to represent the interests of their constituents who would have had the most to gain from the amendment, i.e. by the resurrection of the fishing and coastal industries and the protection of their areas endangered from erosion and flooding brought about by the cessation of aggregate dredging failed us and their voters.
I'm afraid that the voice of sanity seems to have little impact compared to the powerful lobby of the well-heeled commercial vested interests.
And to think that only yesterday, the fifth of November, we celebrated by burning effigies of Guy Fawkes, one of the few people to go to Parliament with good intentions.
Ah well! At least we now know who our true friends are.
Pat Gowen
MARINET & NSAG
Tel: 01603-402554 SKYPE: PatGowen1932 Mobile: 07767-041443 E-mail: pat.gowen@ntlworld.com
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06/11/2009, 3:40 PM
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Pat Gowen
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Perhaps I should have added that the governments failure to heed carefully researched scientific fact and punish its purveyors is not unusual when it impacts vested pecuniary interests.
We had the vilification of Professor Richard Lacey when he exposed the link between BSE and CJD. Dr. Ian Gibson was sacked from the Health Committee and later framed for his factual exposure, Dr. Pushti was systematically destroyed for producing the evidence of the results of feeding rats with GM food, and more recently the head of the Scientific Advisory Committee sacked because he proved and gave out that Alcohol caused far more deaths than marijuana.
The powerful farming and alcohol lobbies disapprove of such information being known and understood by the public. And the dredging industry, The Crown Estate and the Treasury would not have relished the termination of lucrative offshore aggrergate dredging that would have resulted with Marine and Coastal Protection.
The day of Machiavellian politics has been with us since Roman times, and continues still under out recent regimes.
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07/11/2009, 12:58 AM
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thelibrarian
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A shame that you included Pusztai in that list Pat. His slap dash work picked up by a hysterical media did a great deal of damage and upset amongst people who were trying their level best to do honest research.
Given a choice rats do not eat a great deal of raw potatoes.They will have a go at them if the weather is cold and food is short but not other wise. Rats are monogastric and do not digest some raw root vegetables, including potatoes, easily . The guy's research showed that the rats did more or less as badly on non GM spuds as they did on GM spuds , and in further tests when rats were fed GM foods they could digest there were no problems. This sums it up.
" all scientists of any note who had looked at Pusztai's
research thought it was seriously flawed. The rats in the study had not
suffered because they had been fed potatoes which had been spiked with
genetically engineered cells, but simply because they had been cruelly
forced to endure a diet of raw potatoes."
It is fair enough if people are opposed to GM foods, but their objections ought to be based on good science and not opposition to the history of some of the companies involved and not on the hysteria of those who believe in homeopathy, talking to trees and curing ailments with crystals.
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07/11/2009, 6:41 AM
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john
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Just straying from the thread it is said that Alcohol is a more powerful drug than other listed drugs.Is Alcohol listed as a drug? What ingredients is there in Alcohol which you would describe as a drug?,and to my knowledge no one has ever got hooked on Bovril or Marmite which are manufactured from the remains of the brewing stage of Alcohol.If anyone has seen the sludge that is taken from the brewing vats and then called Bovril,I doubt if they would even buy it.John
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07/11/2009, 3:16 PM
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nevermind
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 thelibrarian wrote: | A shame that you included Pusztai in that list Pat. His slap dash work picked up by a hysterical media did a great deal of damage and upset amongst people who were trying their level best to do honest research.
Given a choice rats do not eat a great deal of raw potatoes.They will have a go at them if the weather is cold and food is short but not other wise. Rats are monogastric and do not digest some raw root vegetables, including potatoes, easily . The guy's research showed that the rats did more or less as badly on non GM spuds as they did on GM spuds , and in further tests when rats were fed GM foods they could digest there were no problems. This sums it up.
" all scientists of any note who had looked at Pusztai's research thought it was seriously flawed. The rats in the study had not suffered because they had been fed potatoes which had been spiked with genetically engineered cells, but simply because they had been cruelly forced to endure a diet of raw potatoes."
It is fair enough if people are opposed to GM foods, but their objections ought to be based on good science and not opposition to the history of some of the companies involved and not on the hysteria of those who believe in homeopathy, talking to trees and curing ailments with crystals.
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What an outrageous slur, librarian, I absolutely secong Pats little list and comment,Dr. Pusztai was a most emminent scientist for some 36 years before his reasearch tread on the toes of an agressive GM industry with a stated aim to bring research under its control, as part of gaining as much control over the food chain as possiblew from the grain to the added gain.
Scientists were not allowed control over what was published and how their research was presented to the FDA, companies carefully sieved out any negative results.
Pat mentioned the BSE scandal, again vital rersearch was supressed and researchers voicing caution, like microbiologist Dr. Antonio were attacked and vilified rather than their meassages taken for real.
If a society cannot use the common sense advice science is providing and market driven multinationals are nobbling Governments into acting against our interests, than that is wholly damaging to us in the long run, thats the road to soilent green.
Prof. Nutt said it as it was and his analagies were apt and long overdue. He no doubt has the health and safety of society at heart when he said it, the evidence is all around us, alcohol, binge drinking and smoking, although lucrative tax streams, are slowly erroding the fabric of societies health.
Alan Johnson has no idea what he is talking about and scared Cameron's support for his anti societal sacking, more reflects his wishes to deflect questions of a personal nature than to deal with the subject objectively.
Cannabis and extacy are very much less dangerous than alcohol, nicotine and horse riding for that matter.
Politicians seem unable to jump over their own moral shadow, I question their commitments to voters, they are not really interested in helping society as a whole, but soaks for vested interest, lobby fodder guided by sheer greed and self interest.
nevermind
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