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   25/09/2009, 5:51 AM
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They keep telling us the sea is rising and East Anglia is sinking so it would have to be a very high wall wouldn't it?It was pointed out that eventually the sea would break through the sea defences furthur up the coast and then eventually join up with the Horsey Gap incursion.That is some area to control.People have objected in the past to a high sea barrier on the coast,I wonder if they realise how big a area it is that will be flooded eventually and what sort of barriers will be required inland? Just one furthur point.Despite all the opposition to sea eagles.I see on the EDP headlines the RSPB and partners Natural England  have got their way and are going to release these birds in Suffolk next year.Should be better targets than wild geese.John
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   25/09/2009, 8:29 AM
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No- bang got the bitterns and the avocets then- what a disgrace, an alien species let loose -  I assume  Minsmere so they can get the paying visitors in I'll bet. You wait till they start picking of all the free range piglets that are reared on East Suffolk farms. Or people's cats!

As for Horsey/ Lessingham/Cart Gap etc, John the only reason that they are not open sea at the moment  is because of the sandbanks created by longshore drift really quite recently. In the case of Yarmouth and between Caister and Burgh Castle it was open water when the Romans were here and Yarmouth was still a sandbank when the Danes hauled up, so the way it is, is not so much down to lower sea levels back then but to the channels around the islands being blocked up. Flegg ( from Martham to Stokesby and from Caister to Acle) was an island, which is easy to see on Google maps satellite- and on the ground. Potter Bridge is where it is because the higher bits of ground are closest together there, and there was a causeway from Billockby to Acle Bridge.

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   25/09/2009, 3:06 PM
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As you say Librarian,if you look at the satellite maps of Breydon Acle etc you can almost picture what it was like in those Roman days.When you watch programmes like Time Team you think to yourself,what a simple but effective bunch they were.Straight roads  A to B, harbours inside the sea inlets.Makes our politicians look stupid.And they had a fairer way of collecting taxes and I am quite sure a Sea Eagle would have made a tasty lunch.John
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   25/09/2009, 3:38 PM
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There is an eagle owl on  the loose I see- better get the cat in. ha ha

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   26/09/2009, 6:05 AM
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If they catch as many fish in the Broads as I do Librarian they will soon be extinct.John
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   05/10/2009, 8:33 AM
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Re the EDP News,the authorities are going to test out the flood warnings this month.Pity the E/A did not warn the residents of Beccles yesterday when a tidal surge swamped Beccles Quay.Beccles is well in land as far as tidal surges go so what is planned for Potter Heigham and district when a tidal surge breaks through at Horsey?John
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   05/10/2009, 11:29 AM
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Oh for goodness sake if the witless fools had had the gumption to check moon and tide timetables there would not have been a problem. I am sick of this over exaggeration of the so called problems caused by perfectly normal and regular events It was a spring tide, a big one because of the time of year, a little bit of wind about but nothing exceptional, perhaps the atmospheric conditions lifted the level a bit but it was a totally predictable thing which the organisers should have foreseen. Rivers fill up, water meadows, marshes get wet, its what happens when there is a spring tide!!


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   05/10/2009, 1:44 PM
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Thanks for that Librarian.I personally have not seen the water that high at Beccles unless there has been torrential rain.I understand the E.A did have a warning out on Saturday but removed the warning on Sunday.Even so,I have never seen the water come over the quay,very close but not right over.That was only after a weeks torrential rain.Are you saying that this is a normal occurence every spring tide? I wonder if they warn the holiday makers who are on the boats?John
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   05/10/2009, 6:56 PM
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I don't know if it goes over at Beccles at every big spring tide but for the life of me I cant see what else did it. It was a bit choppy out at sea the other day but nothing exceptional. The water has been very high at Acle and Potter and I attributed it to the full moon and the time of year. Strange if they were launching ducks and couldn't cope with a bit of water on the banksides!
If you look on Easytide you can see what the tide heights have been over the past few days

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   06/10/2009, 9:06 AM
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We have got stuck down there in late October,but usually it is when the wind is backing up the water.I have noticed on the web sites how the wind has been very strong at high tide over the last week or so.20 m.p.h.has been the norm at high tide.I must admit the Southern Waters are not my favourite place to be in flood situations.The problem I have,is that as you rightly say,locals should be more aware of the situations whereas tourists,perhaps on the Broads for the first time are completely unaware how quickly conditions change and as far as I am aware no instructions are given for those situations.We did get back to Brundall one year and the flood water was up over the windows of  my car.That was a write off.Let us see how the new warning system works out on the coast.John


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   09/10/2009, 5:23 PM
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I thought you might find this interesting John, Pat, Librarian and company.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/bg-141741/cliffhanger/


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   10/10/2009, 8:22 AM
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In his book 2000 years a village, Colin Tooke describes how Caister ( not that far south of Happisburgh) has been subject to erosion for hundreds of years. He talks about Caister Bardolph , a former manor of Caister which disappeared into the sea between being recorded in the Domesday and the 18th Century The Manor Hotel which was lost to the sea in the 40s I think was a last reminder of that particular piece of coast. Also Caister  Point which extended out into the sea for over a mile more that at  present and has gone since the 19th Century, . Erosion on the east Norfolk coast is an on going and long term process, known about and recorded, and no matter what those with bees in bonnets about dredging think about it, the coastline has been subject to large removals of shore in a short length of time if the conditions made a certain point more susceptible.
So some fool who bought a 1930s place built for the holiday trade at Happisburgh and is now seeing it go into the sea doesn't get much in the way of sympathy from me Just because a bunch of Saxons thought a place was suitable for a village does not mean it is going to stay that way forever.
We can despair over the lack of compensation, we can despair over the loss of land and the lack of protection for the soft sandy cliffs with the layers of clay in them ( very easily eroded stuff there) and the potential loss of a village. Whether we do anything about it just depends on whether we are prepared to accept the environmental "irony" of tearing huge quarries in  beautiful places in one part of the world to get rocks to prevent a natural process in another ( to protect a few grotty buildings in the short term). And also whether we are prepared to pay to effectively subsidise people who want to live on cliff edges.
In the case of Happisburgh protection might be justified on the basis that a stitch ( or protection scheme ) in time could prevent flooding of the norther broad land rivers by the back door.

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   10/10/2009, 9:45 AM
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Thanks Storm for that.I said at the beginning of this thread that someone had prophesised that Peterborough could quite easy be a seaside town by 2030! Whether or not that is a alarmist attitude or not only time will tell.It is only when the Broads as we know them and the surrounding villages disappear will people sit up and say " How did all this come about" The answer would be "Because nobody gave a damn because it did not affect them" A typical oulook nowadays " I am all right Jack" I looked at some of the other video's on there as well Storm,and one in particular shows how not to behave when on a boat.Dog on the decks,falls overboard [great joke] children on the decks [no life jackets] children in a dinghy being towed behind the cruiser[no life jackets] and so on.No wonder some of the regular boaters despair when they see some of the antics.Well I am down there in a weeks time,promise to be a good boy as long you leave some fish in the river for me.John


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   16/10/2009, 7:13 PM
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Norwich couple's holiday nightmare

Pat and Norma Gowen.             http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=NewsSplash&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=NewsSplash&itemid=NOED16%20Oct%202009%2007%3A34%3A34%3A200


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   16/10/2009, 8:12 PM
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Sounds like the The lady was Lucky to be where she was when she was , American Hospitals are pretty good if you can afford them . ------------As far as a future Flooded Norfolk goes , If you dont know what to do , why dont you ask the Dutch after all they reclaimed a large part of Holland from the sea, Mind you its no quick fix, It took hundreds of years and effort , BTW Schiphol Airport is 12 ft below sea level .
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