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 31/10/2009, 8:44 AM
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thelibrarian
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Who Breaks a Butterfly on a wheel?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8335189.stm
I hope there are resignations after this, as the article implied there might be. No scientist should be putting their names to a government policy which is based on politics and not science and is based on distorting the results of research. Nor should they condone a government policy which leads to a waste of resources and misinformation being fed to teenagers which by not telling the truth could mislead them in a dangerous fashion.
At the most basic level the argument that cannabis leads to use of other drugs is flawed. The same applies to the long term mental health implications.I don't think I need to explain why since you are all capable of working that out for yourselves.
Whilst sensible people are aware that modern cannabis production means a more potent product they are also aware that substance abuse is down to circumstances, environment, psychology and education- whether it is single malts in the House of Commons bar or sniffing glue behind a lock up in Gorleston.
I know we have gone over the legalisation aspect many times but making cannabis a class B drug smacked more of the mentality of The Prohibition era than a decision made on a scientific basis for the sake of health. If we cannot trust the government to be honest on the risks of cannabis how can we trust them on alcohol, public vaccination schemes, the environment - anything where they are meant to make a decision based on balanced scientific advice?
Rather than wasting money prosecuting cannabis users, the government should be creating jobs and educating truthfully on the risks and implications of all forms of drug use. As I have said before, drug education officers bracketing cannabis in with class A drugs could risk misleading kids- many of them know the effects of cannabis so could be misled into believing Class A drugs are no worse.
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31/10/2009, 1:34 PM
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thelibrarian
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Re: Who Breaks a Butterfly on a wheel?
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I gather that hydroponic growth systems ( favoured by illicit growers) as well as the variety of cannabis determines the level of THC
If cannabis was legalised, sold openly and taxed perhaps the nature of the plant could also be consumer led rather than Hobson's choice.
My objection was to the government reaction to Dr Nutt who it seems had attempted to draw objective conclusions from research and statistics.
The major grumble I have about government objections to cannabis use is that the statistics cannot take account of the huge number of cannabis users who never go on to use class A drugs, who quietly lead an otherwise law abiding life so never come to the attention of the police and never go off their chumps so they don't get included in mental health statistics.
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01/11/2009, 4:28 PM
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nevermind
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Very good points Librarian, there are thousands who are never picked up in studies. There are already much work being done in advance on systems of decriminalisation and legalisation of cannabis. Governments have been briefed throughout the last few years of the work that has been carrie dout, but never in their wilsdest dreams did they expect scinetists to put their corporate responsibility towards public health before the arm twisting and bullyingof Government ministers and policy makers.
Prof. Nutt is right and the response, on panels debating this issue is 60-80% in favor of what he is saying.
No Labour has decided that science and sense come in the way of moralising, punishing and judicial harrasment at great costs to taxpayers.
Today Dr. King has resigned citing Government interference and armtwisting, I expect some more to follow suit, what the point when they make it up so it conforms to their prefered morals.
It is criminal to make out something is worse than it really is, criminalise people for something that is beneficial, expecially when cannabis has so many other uses and solutions to a future low carbon society.
The Conservatives have been trying their best to be stummon the issue. No Labout, nor the Tories, anyone in future cannot stuff this committee with their consensual types and call it scientific, this is all over now the genie is out of the bottle, indeed the bottle is broken, the issues will have to be dealt with.
This story will rumble for a few days yet and political parties will shy away, again, from talking about the real issue and costs of prohibition. I never have and never will, I believe that people can make their own decisions, responsibly. nevermind
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02/11/2009, 10:46 AM
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thelibrarian
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I regard this a being a very important point of principle. If the government misleads us into believing that they take the judgement of the expert scientific community on board whilst they are actually ignoring advice and making decisions and making public health policy based on street politics and popularity ratings how can we ever trust them? How can we trust them on any new vaccine, MMR, alcohol advice, flooding, food safety - anything where you really need to know and understand the science of things ? Jackson was a postman for goodness sake- and no offence to postmen out there, it doesn't really equip anyone to understand brain chemistry.
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02/11/2009, 11:04 AM
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mahatma kane jeeves
 
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When confronted with any decision concerning drug policy the government`s default position is to ask " What would go down best with the editors of The Sun , Mail and Express ? "
A rational position based on scientific evidence does not enter their heads. Proff. Nutt is a respected psychiatrist who has spent many years of his life working with drug addicted clients , but Brown knows better. They are a cowardly bunch . Don`t expect anything different from the next lot . It will be more talking tough on drugs and "crack downs " in an attempt to appease Daily Mail readers. They have no interest in or knowledge of science at all having spent most of their lives filling their pockets as lawyers , bankers , PR twerps and " management consultants ".
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02/11/2009, 3:42 PM
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mahatma kane jeeves
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 Just Looking Thanks wrote: | | Just Looking Thanks wrote: |
| thelibrarian wrote: | I regard this a being a very important point of principle. If the government misleads us into believing that they take the judgement of the expert scientific community on board whilst they are actually ignoring advice and making decisions and making public health policy based on street politics and popularity ratings how can we ever trust them? How can we trust them on any new vaccine, MMR, alcohol advice, flooding, food safety - anything where you really need to know and understand the science of things ? Jackson was a postman for goodness sake- and no offence to postmen out there, it doesn't really equip anyone to understand brain chemistry.
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There is even a conspiracy theory regarding the swine flu vaccine. A plot to reduce the worlds population.
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My mistake, should be the H1N1 virus:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14312 |
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The author of this paranoid conspiracy rubbish , Ghislaine Lanctôt , was banned for life from practising medicine.
Try joining the real world.
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