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 18/10/2009, 10:58 AM
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thelibrarian
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The Swedes are using the carcases of culled non native and feral domestic rabbits in power producing incinerators
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8309156.stm
Brilliant idea. We could do the same- the annual loss to rabbits could be as much as £175 million according to one web site. An end use might encourage a systematic culling programme.
Grey squirrels, brown and black rats and mink too -all non native, all encroach on the habitats of native animals and endanger them.
Much more environmentally friendly than burning sand eels which the Danish have been said to do in the past
As for other non natives-Muntjac do enormous damage to woodland, especially coppice where they eat the new shoots and to bluebells - why arent we seeing them the supermarkets?
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18/10/2009, 11:21 AM
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Snybarb
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That suggests a whole new future for crematoria ------------
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18/10/2009, 1:08 PM
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nevermind
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 thelibrarian wrote: | The Swedes are using the carcases of culled non native and feral domestic rabbits in power producing incinerators
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8309156.stm
Brilliant idea. We could do the same- the annual loss to rabbits could be as much as £175 million according to one web site. An end use might encourage a systematic culling programme.
Grey squirrels, brown and black rats and mink too -all non native, all encroach on the habitats of native animals and endanger them.
Much more environmentally friendly than burning sand eels which the Danish have been said to do in the past
As for other non natives-Muntjac do enormous damage to woodland, especially coppice where they eat the new shoots and to bluebells - why arent we seeing them the supermarkets?
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What a brilliant idea from a smouldering brain. lets not eat rabbits, lets burn them, indeed lets burn any non native animal we can lay our hands on, its bad for biodiversity and we must interfere with evolution as much as possible.
Our swedish neigbours always had a problem with rooting out those species not quiet perfect, then it was by forced sterilisation and now its by burning rabbits.
BTW. anybody ever thought what would happen if we would breed with chimpanzee's, our genetically nearest fellow primate? would that make the off spring ' non native', burnable in swedish eyes?
Another related point, why do we eat fish now we never thought of eating before? We trawl it up from great depth and make out we always ate such once rare catches. Is it because there is no herring left for us? by god, there's no more cod...
So why are the Swedes no selling rabbits for food? I would eat them with gusto, why burn everything? have they not got enough rubbish to burn in their large scale hungry incinerators? what a stupid idea. nevermind
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18/10/2009, 3:04 PM
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thelibrarian
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Oh steady on Nevermind! Such hard words about the land of Pippi Longstocking...
Using wild rabbits for food is an excellent idea- they could be used in pet food for instance instead of protein fit for human consumption, but far better to reduce the rabbit population to very low levels. I was watching autumn watch and a researcher was prattling on about the Little Owl ( itself a non native species) blaming the loss of low vegetation beneath trees for a decline in numbers since 1986. Now in my opinion there is less cutting and clearing of low vegetation and more hedges planted since 1986 and I doubt very much if there are hard figures to justify her assertion or mine. But what there are more of , since 1986 ,are feral non native mink. Little owls not only nest in holes in trees they live in holes in banks- and neither spot is safe from a mink. Nor are water voles which are in grave danger.
Non native species are a menace to endangered native populations Who can defend the non native rat ( neither species is native) carrier of plague and weils disease, abounding in the filth of our urban areas , which will also eat the eggs and young of any bird it can lay its teeth on.
As for fish- we should not be eating any except inshore line caught. I no longer eat fish . There are herring, they recovered after a long ban on catching them, but there are apparently no big haddock or cod left but still the trawlers are allowed to land the smaller ones.
And incinerators- I got a hectoring leaflet on my recycle bin the other day telling me which plastics cannot be recycled ( which I knew anyway) So why are we not banning the use of these plastics and if this is not possible ( can't see why not, until not that long ago everything was wrapped in hessian ,paper, card or waxed paper) why are we not recovering the energy from these plastics and all other non recyclable waste by incineration for power?
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18/10/2009, 3:50 PM
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mahatma kane jeeves
 
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nevermind wrote the following post at 18/10/2009 1:08 PM:
"BTW. anybody ever thought what would happen if we would breed with chimpanzee's, our genetically nearest fellow primate?"
You must have seen a BNP/English Defence League march.
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18/10/2009, 3:58 PM
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nevermind
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| mahatma kane jeeves wrote: |
nevermind wrote the following post at 18/10/2009 1:08 PM:
"BTW. anybody ever thought what would happen if we would breed with chimpanzee's, our genetically nearest fellow primate?"
You must have seen a BNP/English Defence League march.
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No, MKT, not a clue, do they march on all fours, one behind the other? or do they hold tails when they move in unison ![Smile [:)]](/CS/emoticons/emotion-1.gif) nevermind
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18/10/2009, 4:50 PM
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wallis
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![Party!!! [<:o)]](/CS/emoticons/emotion-19.gif)
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nevermind
"... when they move in unison"
withdraw that slur upon our heroic syndicalists
AFAIK the BNP/EDL have never moved a motion at the TUC...
... despite being full of 8hit
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18/10/2009, 4:56 PM
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nevermind
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| wallis wrote: | | nevermind "... when they move in unison" withdraw that slur upon our heroic syndicalists AFAIK the BNP/EDL have never moved a motion at the TUC... ... despite being full of 8hit |
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Please explain 'heroic', ideally in the context of union priorities as they exist. let me help, is it
- more important for unionists to keep your job as a unionist, working day in day out to make sure that your union exists perse, or
- more important that the union you joined reflects the interests of your workers and their issues
TUC,8hit and all? nevermind
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18/10/2009, 11:13 PM
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ChristopherE
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SOGAT .... Brenda Dean, a Lady no less. Had their HQ at Highbury Corner.
A historic area of 5 roads junctioning ,and a railway station. All smashed by a V2.
Some of the rebuilt "Stalinist exterior" buildings had quite interesting interiors.
One was the aforementioned union. Woodwork of a Deco style. Almost Liner-esq.
It is a huge Weatherspoon's now. About the only place the old blokes with no teeth are allowed in.
Have to admit that it has been a quite pleasant boozer. Plenty of space and you
don't have to sit with the pit-bulls, they are usually outside with the smokers!
ce.
Sorry I thought you were mentioning unions.....or was it onions?
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19/10/2009, 1:34 PM
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nevermind
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And incinerators- I got a hectoring leaflet on my recycle bin the other day telling me which plastics cannot be recycled ( which I knew anyway) So why are we not banning the use of these plastics and if this is not possible ( can't see why not, until not that long ago everything was wrapped in hessian ,paper, card or waxed paper)
Recycling has not even seriously started in this country, there never was the will to do it professionally, all haphazard, pilot projects here and there, some duplicating each other, regardless.
All recycling is put upon the consumer, no impetus to use less packing in the first place, make's you wonder how advanced our forebears really were with their shopping baskets made of willow, waxed paper and such like.
Recycling can be advanced by incentives, all of industry has enough scope to use and re-use recycled materials, we do not need to use as much virgin plastic as we do and we have to make a decision whether certain products should be made from sustainable sources. Beech was traditionally used for toys and kitchen implements, today many products have been plasticised, just one example.
Food waste should be collected seperately at least once a week and composted in local amenities, like cemeteries, always bigging up decay, or parks, both in need of good compost, the end result. Such a move would make ordinary wastes more recyclable and less messy, the money for such seperate collection must be split from the overall waste budget.
If one takes out roughly 15% of putrid food waste out of the waste chain, paid for by an equivalent amount of the overall budget, then it should be in the interest of waste operators to have a better more homogenous and recyclable waste, but do they care?
The figures required are vast and local authorities are moanning that central Government is asking too much. Instead of getting on with it and trying whats possible, they are filling up holes.
When one objects to their incinerators, they say you are opposing green energy, a trifle word smithing, incineration is not encouraging recycling, it produces more CO2, not less, it makes feeding an incinerator a priority, because we would become so used to the heat from waste, all combustable waste from plastics to ruberoid products to liquid combustable wastes, these would get mixed with paper and other refuse to feed the monster, incinerators are hungry, they are not green.
Gasifying waste is a different way of going about it, stuff gets heated up in a vaccum and the gases drive the unit, there is no burning at all and you end up with a reusable granular product. The units are small and fit on the back of a truck, they could serve a rural county well.
Industry should be forced by tax incentives to either replace plastics, use recycled plastic, or take steps to make reusable containers.
Glass products can be re designed to become re-fill and re- use, it worked in the past, it works all over the continent and it makes sense.
We should find alternative building materials, brick steel and glass are all high energy products in need of replacing by sustainable materials, a challenge but not impossible, although steel and glass will probably be the hardest to give up.
Finally, we are not banning the use of non recyclable plastics because they are only non recyclable here in Norfolk, it does not make economic sense to shift them about from A to B to C, same with paper, the key is to set up plants that reuse recyclables near were they exist, at zero waste sites or large central recycling yards. People should be paid a fair return for valuable materials they bring to these yards, it will be an incentive and fair.
Bunny's should be eaten, not burned, there's nothing better during the winter month than a hot rabbit stew'n dumplins on its second day. nevermind
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19/10/2009, 2:47 PM
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ChristopherE
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Sorry Nevermind. As usual I only read a few lines.
Mrs E did take classes many years ago from a rugged ,.handsome, young Frenchman.
(With 10 others) Rough French was the course. As she is spoken!
He was always amazed as he took the train from Hastings,
to see rabbits everywhere. "In France zey would be in ze pot".
(we won, occupy Normandy).( if we can't have the American colonies back).
ce
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19/10/2009, 8:04 PM
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thelibrarian
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I read most of it!
Composting food waste is tricky- it has to reach high heats to make it sterile and safe, I feel it would be better incinerated for power. I have been finding composts made from recycled materials very variable for seed and plant raising recently and I am not alone in this. Many do not seem to have been composted at a high enough temperature to kill weed seeds and one is left wondering about what is going into them. If large quantities of grass cuttings with weedkilling agents end up in a batch made in the spring I wonder how it affects what will grow.
As for packaging I have been making quantities of chutney and swearing roundly at food manufacturers who find it necessary to stick on their jar labels with un shiftable glue- the possibilty of reuse doesnt occur to them I suppose. Unlike I gather Nevermind in Germany is it , where plastic tubs for yoghurt etc have to be fit to be reused in freezer.
If we managed years ago in damp old houses with non plastic and non foil packaging then we can manage now. Plastics are not used for our convenience they are used for the convenience of manufacturers and retailers. If Gordon Brown is so keen on saving the planet why not some sensible laws on packaging.
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19/10/2009, 8:21 PM
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ChristopherE
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Do we need what we buy.?
Christopher.
Composting grass is more than most people can do.
You see JCBs doing it, but shifting it is more than anyone should have to do.
Despite Gardeners bloody world.
ce
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20/10/2009, 9:49 AM
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thelibrarian
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They talk squit a lot of time on Gardener's World and the dozy gits in council offices just parrot what they have heard. In my experience you need a lot of varied material to make a decent compost . Too much vegetable waste or lawn trimmings and you just get a nasty slime whether you use a black compost bin or not. You need leaves and drier organic material and have to get it just right . And be prepared to deal with the rats your bin/heap will attract if you put trimmings from root vegetables or fruit on it.
And you should see what they are allowed to put in commercial composts then sold on to gardeners- yuk if it is not properly done.
Gardeners World- ha-ha nice little preprepared borders of peaty loam where they pop plants in and out as if it was the Chelsea Flower Show ( unless they are trying to look authentic) They should try my set -like- concrete soil.
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20/10/2009, 4:44 PM
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nevermind
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I agree on compost. meat left overs are best fed to the dog, not put in the bin, or buried in a pit, they do not get composted easy without a lot of heat and chopping up, the dog has much more fun with it.
Comosting food waste can be done in parks and cemerteries were these drier materials will fall off trees, especially now, a little electric charge running through a 2ft. high rat fence surrounding this modern compost bin would keep the rodents at bay, what is needed is the will to split of the sum from the overall budget.
Waste is a business the mafia loves, hence the vast amount of wrecks littering the adriatic full of hazardous waste, whether they are also operating in this country is to be seen, but I bet my last two pennies that they are in there somewhere, given that they have had footholds in this country for yonks, Aberdeen, London and Liverpool have had experiences with them.
Gardeners world is entertaining, Bob Flowerdews suggestions are so off the beaten track at times that it is almost refreshing to hear.
I heard about commercial composting additives, but thats everywhere. cement kilns, for example, are allowed to burn 'liquid wastes', once used to be called hazardous liquid waste, thats VOC's, paint residues, thinners, etc. etc. the list is long. So if you live downwind of a cement kiln,..... move, and fast. nevermind
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