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 18/07/2008, 2:50 PM
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wallis
 
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Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral?
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OF COURSE. She was a ‘great’ Prime Minister in the same way that Winston Churchill was a ‘great’ Prime Minister. Winnie deserved a state send-off. So does Maggie. She would then become the only true 100% British plebeian to receive such an honour.
Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill was a scion of the Churchill family. Worse still, he was one quarter American - mater Jenny Jeremy hailing from Across the Pond. His pater Lord Randolph Spencer Henry Churchill (who died insane) was the son of the 8th Duke of Marlborough... therefore Winnie was a mongrel member of the ‘nobbery’. Maggie, by contrast, is 100% British Grocer’s Daughter.
Winnie and Maggie did share some common traits. They were both megalomaniacs, workaholics, proto-White Supremacists (doubters should read, for example, some of Winnie’s personal and hugely offensive observations about kaffirs, and acknowledge Maggie’s thinly disguised approbation of apartheid South Africa...), irresistible leaders and public figures especially in times of conflict (World War II, the Malvinas imbroglio), ruthless b******s (umpteen examples of Winnie’s sanguinary predilections... Maggie’s shameful state-sponsored murder of the crew of the Belgrano...), totally convinced of their own rectitude/occupation of the moral High Ground, showing utter disdain for troublesome Johnny Foreigners (de Gaulle, Delors) etc etc etc. Winnie had his cigar, Maggie her handbag. Winnie had his Black Dog (days of manic depression), Maggie went totally bonkers well before she was forced out of office...
So bring it on. Never mind the detractors, the peaceniks, the woolly-minded namby-pamby liberals. According to a recent poll in the Guardian, 80% of those interviewed (i.e. 8 out of 10 cats who expressed a preference) said that they thoroughly disapproved of giving Lady T a state funeral. Ignore them. After all, an alleged one million people turned out on the streets of London to protest against the illegal war in Iraq. They were ignored. Just carry on regardless. This is the country which is home to the Mother of Parliaments. A pluralist democracy. But when all is said and done what we really need right here and now (not that I would wish an ‘early bath’ upon Lady T) is a jolly good State Funeral to reassert our Greatness on the world stage. Show the foreigners how to put on a good do.
I am right behind this idea, on two conditions only
1. that the stalled SFO/National Audit Office investigations into the al-Yamamah/BAE and Salam Saudi arms deals must be allowed to proceed to their legal and logical conclusions, and the conclusions published in full, without further delay and without any further interference whatsoever from whomsoever may have an interest in burying these perfectly legitimate enquiries. No names, no pack drills.
2. that the odious Sir Mark Thatcher must be ![Idea [I]](/cs/emoticons/emotion-55.gif) obliged to foot 100% of the bill for said jamboree to say goodbye to mater (police overtime, hire of security barriers, stewards, Westminster Hall, bunting, gun-carriage, pall bearers... BNP stickers, the whole damn shooting works...) from the filthy proceeds of his shameful global arms dealing activities, AND [ii] surrendered immediately after the funeral to the tender mercies of Interpol, thence to be flown without delay to stand trial in Equatorial Guinea for conspiracy to stage a coup d’état. His old chum Simon Mann, now serving the thick end of 30 years in the slammer there for the same offence, will be delighted to welcome him on board. He has requested as much. And who after all would question the probity of an old-Etonian? ‘fess up, Mark you obnoxious specimen of pond-life.
Your comments, please.
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18/07/2008, 2:58 PM
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mahatma kane jeeves
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Re: Should Lady Thatcher be given a state funeral?
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She should be towed out to the South Atlantic and torpedoed
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18/07/2008, 2:59 PM
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Jill
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I think Margaret Thatcher deserves a state funeral because she was the first ever woman to be elected Prime Minister
That achievement alone deserves national recognition
People must acknowledge that even if they hated her politics
I feel sorry for her that her funeral is in the public arena when she is very much alive, it must be a bit off putting for her with others almost waiting for her to die.
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18/07/2008, 3:25 PM
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Darcy
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 Jill wrote: | |
I think Margaret Thatcher deserves a state funeral because she was the first ever woman to be elected Prime Minister
That achievement alone deserves national recognition
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National recognition for said fact is one thing, a state funeral because of that is absolutely barking.
Friend of Dictators, destroyer of communities etc etc etc.
Her corpse should be dragged down Whitehall by a donkey....
For the truth go to http://www.antifa.org.uk
Thugs need hugs too!
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18/07/2008, 3:38 PM
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nevermind
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There will always be a sift spot for Margaret Thatcher, from 30.000 feet into an irish peat bog, with sky divers on either side holding the star spankled banner to remind us all what she signed us up to. nevermind
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18/07/2008, 3:41 PM
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Citizen
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This woman probably did more damage to Britain than any one:
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in terms of social attitudes (dividing families and communities, introducing the “me, me, me” society, selling off council houses which contributed to the housing shortage and the rocketing prices of the past 20 years);
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public services (dangerous and bankrupt railways, dirty hospitals, the mentally ill thrown on to the streets, and unhealthy school meals);
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social welfare (the highest unemployment since WW2, the poll tax, the sell-off of state-owned companies creating private monopolies);
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and social strife (the Falklands War, the miners' strike).
State funeral? May her bones burn in Hell.
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18/07/2008, 3:46 PM
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MP Expenses leech
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Thatcher might just as well have a state funeral for the sake of the show.
She was just the visible effect of those behind her.
A good orator and strong enough to control the politicians chosen for her government.
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18/07/2008, 4:12 PM
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Equitator
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| bukuru wrote: | |
OF COURSE. She was a ‘great’ Prime Minister in the same way that Winston Churchill was a ‘great’ Prime Minister. Winnie deserved a state send-off. So does Maggie. She would then become the only true 100% British plebeian to receive such an honour.
Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill was a scion of the Churchill family. Worse still, he was one quarter American - mater Jenny Jeremy hailing from Across the Pond. His pater Lord Randolph Spencer Henry Churchill (who died insane) was the son of the 8th Duke of Marlborough... therefore Winnie was a mongrel member of the ‘nobbery’. Maggie, by contrast, is 100% British Grocer’s Daughter.
Winnie and Maggie did share some common traits. They were both megalomaniacs, workaholics, proto-White Supremacists (doubters should read, for example, some of Winnie’s personal and hugely offensive observations about kaffirs, and acknowledge Maggie’s thinly disguised approbation of apartheid South Africa...), irresistible leaders and public figures especially in times of conflict (World War II, the Malvinas imbroglio), ruthless b******s (umpteen examples of Winnie’s sanguinary predilections... Maggie’s shameful state-sponsored murder of the crew of the Belgrano...), totally convinced of their own rectitude/occupation of the moral High Ground, showing utter disdain for troublesome Johnny Foreigners (de Gaulle, Delors) etc etc etc. Winnie had his cigar, Maggie her handbag. Winnie had his Black Dog (days of manic depression), Maggie went totally bonkers well before she was forced out of office...
So bring it on. Never mind the detractors, the peaceniks, the woolly-minded namby-pamby liberals. According to a recent poll in the Guardian, 80% of those interviewed (i.e. 8 out of 10 cats who expressed a preference) said that they thoroughly disapproved of giving Lady T a state funeral. Ignore them. After all, an alleged one million people turned out on the streets of London to protest against the illegal war in Iraq. They were ignored. Just carry on regardless. This is the country which is home to the Mother of Parliaments. A pluralist democracy. But when all is said and done what we really need right here and now (not that I would wish an ‘early bath’ upon Lady T) is a jolly good State Funeral to reassert our Greatness on the world stage. Show the foreigners how to put on a good do.
I am right behind this idea, on two conditions only
1. that the stalled SFO/National Audit Office investigations into the al-Yamamah/BAE and Salam Saudi arms deals must be allowed to proceed to their legal and logical conclusions, and the conclusions published in full, without further delay and without any further interference whatsoever from whomsoever may have an interest in burying these perfectly legitimate enquiries. No names, no pack drills.
2. that the odious Sir Mark Thatcher must be obliged to foot 100% of the bill for said jamboree to say goodbye to mater (police overtime, hire of security barriers, stewards, Westminster Hall, bunting, gun-carriage, pall bearers... BNP stickers, the whole damn shooting works...) from the filthy proceeds of his shameful global arms dealing activities, AND [ii] surrendered immediately after the funeral to the tender mercies of Interpol, thence to be flown without delay to stand trial in Equatorial Guinea for conspiracy to stage a coup d’état. His old chum Simon Mann, now serving the thick end of 30 years in the slammer there for the same offence, will be delighted to welcome him on board. He has requested as much. And who after all would question the probity of an old-Etonian? ‘fess up, Mark you obnoxious specimen of pond-life.
Your comments, please.
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“…Maggie’s shameful state-sponsored murder of the crew of the Belgrano...), …”
Actually the General Belgrano. But then I gather detail – wherein lies the devil – isn’t quite your thing. Sufficient to say that going to war can be hazardous to one’s health.
As to the subject of your thread, I would hazard a guess that despite the machinations of the Guardian her funeral will be a private family affair.
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18/07/2008, 4:22 PM
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snomaes
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I personally think that she is the strongest and best Prime Minister that we had since Winston Churchill.
Anyone who is capable of bringing out such vehement comments as listed by some of the above must have been doing something right!
It's just a shame that the fairest system of community charging (the Poll Tax) was defeated by the people who would have to actually contribute something to society instead of always taking. It would be even more relevant in todays society when children are living at home into their 30s with NO contribution into their local government.
If we had someone of her calibre as PM today, I think the UK would be a much better place to live, especially concerning standing up to the EU 'bureaucrazy'.
Notwithstanding the aforementioned, I do not think a state funeral would be appropriate, this should be reserved as the highest honour that the state can give a truly exceptional person. No politician is worthy of this honour, not even Maggie.
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18/07/2008, 5:03 PM
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Jill
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I quite agree snoemas
At least she gave us some standing in the world unlike Blair and Major, as a statesperson to be reckoned with.
I am quite shocked by the diatribe against her on this Forum
However, it is noted how such men dislike a strong woman who can stand up to them in the workplace and command.
I felt safer in her hands than any namby pamby politician since.
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18/07/2008, 5:22 PM
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ADRIAN-W
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"Maggie’s shameful state-sponsored murder of the crew of the Belgrano...), "
The usual load of old PC B--------ks even the captain of the Belgrano stated that his ship was a legitimate target.
Any way the Russians respected Maggie , several of em told me so , leaving my hotel for the train to take me back to UK on vacation , the lady manager called after me " Please you will give Mrs Tatcher love from me" I said "OK I will tell her that when I see her,"
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18/07/2008, 5:44 PM
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snomaes
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| rose wrote: | Yes, she can certainly still provoke a remark or two!!! But i think any supporter of Margaret Thatcher obviously didn't suffer themselves, from her hateful policies and her "No such thing as society" approach. The greed and selfishness that is around now all stems from her time in power.
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Gosh, 18 years after she left No 10 and she is still being blamed for problems in society! The greed and selfishness had nothing to do with Blair then?
| rose wrote: | Still we will get more of the same at the next election when the gullible public vote in Cameron.
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Of course, you won't be one of those gullible ones, will you? It will be of interest to me just who you do vote for and why. | rose wrote: | Also the reason some people in their thirtys are living at home is because the wages are too low for them to buy a house and Maggie sold off the council houses and put the money into central government.
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Of course, none of the lower paid purchased these houses willingly, did they? The obviously were forced to take out mortgages to purchase their homes at a lot lower cost than the market value. Or was it a case that it was a very popular policy which gave the working class the only chance they would have to purchase their own home? The problem was not in selling the houses off, it was that the money raised from the sales was not re-invested in new housing stock to replace some of those lost. | rose wrote: | Have you actually seen the price to rent a bedsit let alone a flat if you live in Norwich? On minimum wage it is virtually impossible to afford. |
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Yes, I have a daughter who has lived in 5 rented properties in Norwich and outside Norwich on little more than minimum wage. She has afforded it by living within her means. Hopefully there will be a major 'house price readjustment' and she will be able to buy her own house one day. | rose wrote: | |
P.S. Message to Darcy, probably throwing myself to the wolves by this but ..............See you 6pm Trafalger Square!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I can understand your excitement, I only wish that I were younger so that I could celebrate Bliars eventual demise.
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18/07/2008, 5:47 PM
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chrisb
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Oh you tease bukuru!
I've been offline all day and logged in to see your post's headline - only to have the illusion shattered almost right away.
I hadn't quite got to the stage of putting the champagne in the fridge, but not far off.
Ah well - can't be long now.
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